Forza 6 DF Tech Analysis

Definitely some sacrifices made. But it seems to have paid of in order to get the 60 FPS.

meh, call me when they make another horizon game.

Forza needs a more spread out cycle, Motorsport needs to be moved to 3-4 year cycles to give the studio more time to add more interesting things. At this point the franchise has more or less stalled, and that feels like a shame given how absurdly good Turn 10 has been at their job.

You got Horizon to fill up one year, if you need another racing game why not find another project for one of your studios. Or shit let someone do a PGR5.

PGR5 would be fuckin sweet.

I don't think it will matter much. It seems like they've already hit the limit. Instead of adding onto the previous game, they took some things away to add new ones. It seems like any future iterations will do the same. An additional 2 years won't help much.

Bow to the king of racing games!!!

I don't know about all that

@jg4xchamp: The Horizon series is basically PGR. If Im not mistaken Playground has many people from Bizarre

The king is still the king and now that they're comfortable the next game will continue the trend

Seems about right....

Nice jaggies, is this some kind of new engine turn10 implemented into Forza series?

You should ask Evolution, their game is the king of aliasing.

No im asking you because after Forza 6's pre baked weather and jaggies my eyes are bleeding.

You are really going damage control hard the past few days, with all this Forza and Halo stuff you've been going pretty nuts, you might want to take a break.

Funny how Lems brushed off weather and day/ night cycle in PS4 racers. But now they use it as bragging rights. Congrats Lems a jaggied, cardboard backdrop, 30 fps reflections, annual Racer is your best exclusive to bag about lol

There's really not much you can do with sim racing. They've kind of peaked at the amount of features they need to offer. Everything else is fluff.

@morf-muziks: Pity you can't brag about your spelling lol

No dude Forza 6 has clearly visible aliasing i don't even know why you deny this,and no DC is not the king of aliasing dude.

Oh one more thing...

While the effects on the handling model work really well, the visual presentation can feel somewhat sterile. There is no variance to rain patterns or volume, with the effect staying the same throughout the entire race.

The puddles of water on the ground also appear to be comprised of flat textures featuring a number of surface properties. Transparency, reflections and interaction with surrounding light sources are impressively handled, but physical interaction with the cars appears limited due to lack of a geometry-based body.

The puddles don't react to the wheels as they drive through the surface, while splashes of water are thrown up in the form of flat alpha sprites. This is the compromise we need to accept in order to enjoy that completely consistent, locked 60fps.

Both wet weather and night-time conditions make for more interesting races in Forza 6, but we are left wanting more after seeing how they add to the core gameplay mechanics.

Both wet conditions and time of day are limited to just nine tracks out of the 23 available (those where the studio thinks they'll make the most impact), while rainy conditions are also limited to daytime racing too.

Overall, the effects mostly work from a visual perspective and they succeed in spicing up the gameplay.

The fact that frame-rate isn't impacted is a big deal, too - but there's also the sense that Turn 10 could perhaps have compromised too heavily: the effects are static, not dynamic, meaning that the uncertainty of variable weather conditions in any given race and how that affects handling isn't replicated, while the transition of the time of day is also missed.

But there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the limitations in these systems. Turn 10's physically-based lighting model relies on a combination of pre-computed ('baked') and real-time light sources to simulate global illumination and the resulting ambient lighting across the track. As such, it's impossible to introduce dynamic changes to time of day and weather conditions without significantly re-writing the current lighting model in favour of a real-time approach - something that would be a difficult task while targeting that uncompromising 60fps update.

This game is highly unimpressive and is comprised of baked effects still and no dynamic effects what so ever,the rain is not dynamic nor is night racing,the puddles of water don't react to the wheel passing over them..

This is a last gen game on 1080p 60FPS,wow...

I remember when you lemmings claimed that Turn 10 didn't do night racing or weather because they wanted to make it good,funny they fail miserably...

Worse because Drive Club uses dynamic effects,which respond different,Forza has baked lighting and baked rain effects is a joke is basically a last gen game in 1080p 60 FPS,the single fact that this game still uses baked lighting 2 years into the gen show the game is nothing but another cash grab.

Great stuff, another genre leading franchise from Microsoft studios.

I think the next motorsport should be in 3 years time. Horizon 3 and PGR5 can fill the gap

I never played a single Forza game despite I own all Xbox consoles but anyways, I played Forza 6 Demo for the past couple of days, like it at first but got board really fast. I'm sorry but Forza isn't my kind of game so I can't say if Forza needs a break or not.

I think FH2 & FM6 can last me four years oh hell, probably all gen so I'd like Turn 10 to use their brilliant talent to go to work on a brand spanking new IP. I'm thinking a land, sea & air vehicular combat game would suit them nicely and would change things up, I bet they'd kinda like that MS. . :D

He's not lying. Even DF mentioned the issues with AA and pre-baked lighting. Unless you're saying otherwise?

Hahaha call me back when it's AAA.

It's amazing how many idiots will blabber all day about graphics but can't say one thing about gameplay, even in articles about gameplay the same idiots bring up graphics. It's pathetic.

Two years and next to **** all improvement. May as well have just patched FM5.

Do you actually know what "annual" means?

Wondering if Gran Turismo will ever be good again

It's pretty embarrassing how little improvements it has made since Forza5, not to mention dropping the texture quality down even. I say Forza 7 should be on the next Xbox.

But this is one of the best driving simulations out there: it's the game launch title Forza 5 really should have been.

this is hands-down the best Forza ever

Forza Motorsport 6 is what I always wanted a next-gen driving game to be.

Forza Motorsport 6 is, without a doubt, the best simulation racing game ever made

When it comes right down to it, Forza Motorsport 6 is a big improvement over Forza 5 and a must-have for driving simulation fans.

These are 5 quotes, from different reviewers, that are all saying the exact opposite of you. How can you barely improve, and then get these reviews?

That says **** all about whatever specific improvements FM6 has (or more appropriately, hasn't), SlowRobert.

On a side note, best simulation game ever made by still lower score than Forza on the 360 or GT at its peak. Top lel.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Horizon is as far from Mario Kart as I will go for a racing game from here on. Forza 5 and DriveClub were pretty "meh" for me fun-wise, so I will pass on games like those moving forward.

Edit: I bought Project Cars on PC and didn't like that either. These games seem really sterile and flat.

Or have up to date vehicle visuals. Or decent audio.

Nah,better keep those PS2 models.

Well, I'm not defending GT here.

@Zero_epyon: Why are you people so fricken obsessed with DF? Who cares? Stop filling the boards with this crap.

Too bad Sony doesn't have a 1080P 60fps racer to compare it to.

Of course. Keeping it old school.

I know you might like this.

It's animeeee. And if you don't...no worries it's not like it became a series or anything.

GT6 is 1080P 60fps , on the PS3 , so compare this Xbone game to a last gen game.

Anyone else making an analysis of games on consoles? Please let me know and I'll cite them too.

PS3 Powah > PS4 Powah...... Okay, got it. lol

And they had rain, night rain, snow, day night cycle and all the simulation included. Forza's still catching up in this regard.

Who gives a f**k? Play the game! What does it matter what DF says?

The PS4 is more powerful than the XB1. Everyone knows that. What the hell is the point of analyzing the frame rates and resolution at this point? Get over it and move on.

Don't like it, don't read the thread. Other people like myself enjoy analyzing game performance.