Forza III Le Mans .... hands on opinion from Inside Sim

lol and people compare this with gt 5 ?

i must say drift, split second and need for speed has competition

if you go over the sidelines it doesnt even slow you down

lol and people compare this with gt 5 ?

i must say drift, split second and need for speed has competition

if you go over the sidelines it doesnt even slow you down

nyctota

looks like you havent played forza. Going in the gravel or grass is disastrous. In the video they must be playing "arcade mode".

i just watched gt5 with the same setup and it looked far more realistic than forza3

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[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]Le Mans is one of the most prestigious events in the world, damage is just incidental.

jg4xchamp

Not intentionally.

TBH my beef is that in most cases wreckless driving is an offense even on a race track, where Forza has always kind of encouraged it. If you get P.I.T. manouvered by the guy behind you, the only person who is going to get punished is you, though I do hope that isn't the case in FM3.

Still I hold my ground on this one; of course crashes happen, but they aren't meant to happen, they are just simulating a side effect of racing just to please casuals. Even then it doesn't simulate damage particularly well, I just find it distracting when I see the same pattern appear on the car every time you have a bump.

Even though you can roll your car, you can bet your arse the chassis will somehow be in perfect condition, I mean why else during the stage demo would the guy go into first person view so convieniently.

Bottom line, I would rather have had the Le Mans in Forza 2 than that pissy damage system.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Ugh, Forza 3 cockpit view. There more impressed with Seat and Racing wheel than they are with the game. GT5 is going to smock this game if this is the best they are offering, especially in graphics. And woah NFS looked surprisingly good.The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Ugh, Forza 3 cockpit view. There more impressed with Seat and Racing wheel than they are with the game. GT5 is going to smock this game if this is the best they are offering, especially in graphics. And woah NFS looked surprisingly good.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] They loved the fact that there was cockpit view..... thats it. He wasn't using the manual shifter or the clutch, and people complain about GT5 just getting damage. Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Yep, you sure didn't watch the video. They devoted nearly 15 of the show's 20 minutes to coverage of Forza 3 and the new racing wheel. Allow me to get a few quotes for you... "I'm just...amazed." "Hate to say it GT fanboys, you guys have your run for your money." "That was amazing. I can't even believe that was a console game." "I was blown away." I would add more but I think that about covers it. Once again, watch the SRT video this time and pay attention to what they're talking about. You might just learn something. :wink:Tobin09

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lol and people compare this with gt 5 ?

i must say drift, split second and need for speed has competition

if you go over the sidelines it doesnt even slow you down

dk_2007

looks like you havent played forza. Going in the gravel or grass is disastrous. In the video they must be playing "arcade mode".

[QUOTE="Tobin09"] You do realize turn 10 has stated their will be clutch and H- shifter support right?Adrian_Cloud

Gladly.

It's always wise to do research before making claims like that...

[QUOTE="spike6566"]wow, finally caught up to GT standards? gt had lemans from the beginning.JuarN18

Not only that, Forza had online racing right from the beginning. Forza had the full range of customizing and tuning, both interior and exterior, right from the beginning. Forza had body painting right from the beginning. Forza had better racing AI right from the beginning. Since 2003 (or when ever Forza 1 launched) it's GT that's been needing to catch up with Forza.

And the people saying damage is irrelevant in a sim racer are just in denial. Saying it was fine without it from past iterations doesn't negate the fact that standards have changed and evolved. Every other racer out there incorporates this feature to some degree or another, be it simulator, arcade, or any hybrid in between. There is NO acceptable excuse for GT not to include this. Oh and before anybody says Polyphony confirmed this for GT5, they also "confirmed" online racing for GT4, and look how that turned out. It's not official until we actually see it in the final shelf product.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] And what does the fact that they did a comparison between GT5: P and Forza 2 have to do with anything? :| Those comments came from their time with the game itself, not the simulator. For all you know, they could've said the same great things about Forza 3 even without the simulator being there and seeing as they spoke directly about Forza 3 when they made the comments I listed, it's perfectly logical to assume that. And what, exactly, does the fact that they were playing the game on three screens with a racing wheel have to do with whether or not the driving physics are impressive? They said that the driving physics were excellent based on their playtime with the game and that's not something that's going to change when you play the game on a regular TV screen with a standard racing wheel or controller (although it will obviously feel better with the racing wheel). And did you ever stop to think that they were playing the game on Automatic? :| it has already been said that Forza 3 will support the clutch pedal and 6-speed manual shifter of the Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo wheel so the fact that they weren't using it right then is a non issue. At this point, I can tell you're just grasping at straws and making excuses in order to find something about Forza 3 to continue to hate on. The folks from SRT greatly enjoyed their time with Forza 3 and they had nothing but glowing praise for it. This is a fact. You can try to deny it all you like, but it's not going anywhere.Adrian_Cloud

Obviously you care something about Forza 3's success, as you're constantly posting bad things about it in practically every Forza thread that pops up around here! :lol:

Yes, the wheel had force feedback (which isn't exaclty new technology) and the chair had hydraulics. That's all well and good but, well, let's think about this for a second. The wheel and chair could work just as well as they did with any arcade racer and that wouldn't change their opinions of the game's physics. If the game is arcadey, all the hydraulics-equipped chairs, three screen setups and force feedback racing wheels in the world aren't going to change that. The fact that they noticed the physics were very impressive underneath all of that (remember now, they said it was comparable to PC sims) says a lot about the game itself and less about the simulator.

Anyone watching the video could tell you that, while they enjoyed the simulator, it was the game itself that powered it and the comments I posted, in addition to those I didn't post (which you seem to enjoy twisting around, or just didn't see :wink: ) prove as much. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they're referencing the game itself when they say such things as "That was amazing. I can't even believe that was a console game." and "Hate to say it GT fanboys, you guys have your run for your money." they're talking about the game itself, and not the simulator they played it in.But, I'm just making things up. :lol:

Oh and as far as your clutch/shifter comment, I already posted a link confirming that but in case you missed it, here's a quote.

"Developed by Fanatec in collaboration with Turn 10 Studios, a Redmond, Washington-based video game developer, these features are set to provide the ultimate simracing experience on the Xbox 360 and include the following: a 900° steering rotation, clutch, sequential shifter,6+1 H-pattern shifter, and force feedback effects, which are automatically detected by the game."

Yep, I sure made that up alright. Please dude. That's your job.

Oh and the fact that GT5: P is "just a demo" (it isn't but that's a debate for another day so all I'll say is that demos aren't priced at $40 and given ratings) doesn't change anything. Whether or not the racing physics are realistic or not is something that can be easily compared between games, even in its current state.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] And what does the fact that they did a comparison between GT5: P and Forza 2 have to do with anything? :| Those comments came from their time with the game itself, not the simulator. For all you know, they could've said the same great things about Forza 3 even without the simulator being there and seeing as they spoke directly about Forza 3 when they made the comments I listed, it's perfectly logical to assume that. And what, exactly, does the fact that they were playing the game on three screens with a racing wheel have to do with whether or not the driving physics are impressive? They said that the driving physics were excellent based on their playtime with the game and that's not something that's going to change when you play the game on a regular TV screen with a standard racing wheel or controller (although it will obviously feel better with the racing wheel). And did you ever stop to think that they were playing the game on Automatic? :| it has already been said that Forza 3 will support the clutch pedal and 6-speed manual shifter of the Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo wheel so the fact that they weren't using it right then is a non issue. At this point, I can tell you're just grasping at straws and making excuses in order to find something about Forza 3 to continue to hate on. The folks from SRT greatly enjoyed their time with Forza 3 and they had nothing but glowing praise for it. This is a fact. You can try to deny it all you like, but it's not going anywhere.The_Game21x

Obviously you care something about Forza 3's success, as you're constantly posting bad things about it in practically every Forza thread that pops up around here! :lol:

Yes, the wheel had force feedback (which isn't exaclty new technology) and the chair had hydraulics. That's all well and good but, well, let's think about this for a second. The wheel and chair could work just as well as they did with any arcade racer and that wouldn't change their opinions of the game's physics. If the game is arcadey, all the hydraulics-equipped chairs, three screen setups and force feedback racing wheels in the world aren't going to change that. The fact that they noticed the physics were very impressive underneath all of that (remember now, they said it was comparable to PC sims) says a lot about the game itself and less about the simulator.

Anyone watching the video could tell you that, while they enjoyed the simulator, it was the game itself that powered it and the comments I posted, in addition to those I didn't post (which you seem to enjoy twisting around, or just didn't see :wink: ) prove as much. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they're referencing the game itself when they say such things as "That was amazing. I can't even believe that was a console game." and "Hate to say it GT fanboys, you guys have your run for your money." they're talking about the game itself, and not the simulator they played it in.But, I'm just making things up. :lol:

Oh and as far as your clutch/shifter comment, I already posted a link confirming that but in case you missed it, here's a quote.

"Developed by Fanatec in collaboration with Turn 10 Studios, a Redmond, Washington-based video game developer, these features are set to provide the ultimate simracing experience on the Xbox 360 and include the following: a 900° steering rotation, clutch, sequential shifter,6+1 H-pattern shifter, and force feedback effects, which are automatically detected by the game."

Yep, I sure made that up alright. Please dude. That's your job.

Oh and the fact that GT5: P is "just a demo" (it isn't but that's a debate for another day so all I'll say is that demos aren't priced at $40 and given ratings) doesn't change anything. Whether or not the racing physics are realistic or not is something that can be easily compared between games, even in its current state.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Obviously you care something about Forza 3's success, as you're constantly posting bad things about it in practically every Forza thread that pops up around here! :lol:

Yes, the wheel had force feedback (which isn't exaclty new technology) and the chair had hydraulics. That's all well and good but, well, let's think about this for a second. The wheel and chair could work just as well as they did with any arcade racer and that wouldn't change their opinions of the game's physics. If the game is arcadey, all the hydraulics-equipped chairs, three screen setups and force feedback racing wheels in the world aren't going to change that. The fact that they noticed the physics were very impressive underneath all of that (remember now, they said it was comparable to PC sims) says a lot about the game itself and less about the simulator.

Anyone watching the video could tell you that, while they enjoyed the simulator, it was the game itself that powered it and the comments I posted, in addition to those I didn't post (which you seem to enjoy twisting around, or just didn't see :wink: ) prove as much. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they're referencing the game itself when they say such things as "That was amazing. I can't even believe that was a console game." and "Hate to say it GT fanboys, you guys have your run for your money." they're talking about the game itself, and not the simulator they played it in.But, I'm just making things up. :lol:

Oh and as far as your clutch/shifter comment, I already posted a link confirming that but in case you missed it, here's a quote.

"Developed by Fanatec in collaboration with Turn 10 Studios, a Redmond, Washington-based video game developer, these features are set to provide the ultimate simracing experience on the Xbox 360 and include the following: a 900° steering rotation, clutch, sequential shifter,6+1 H-pattern shifter, and force feedback effects, which are automatically detected by the game."

Yep, I sure made that up alright. Please dude. That's your job.

Oh and the fact that GT5: P is "just a demo" (it isn't but that's a debate for another day so all I'll say is that demos aren't priced at $40 and given ratings) doesn't change anything. Whether or not the racing physics are realistic or not is something that can be easily compared between games, even in its current state.

Adrian_Cloud

Dude, I know your posting history as it relates to the whole GT vs Forza debate. You're not fooling me. Like jg4xchamp said earlier in the thread, wherever there's a Forza thread, I'm usually right there and in many cases, so are you.

And how are the car models not accurate? I've also seen you say that before (reinforcing my earlier point) and I've yet to see you provide some sort of reasoning behind that besides "because I said so".

Like I said earlier, GT5: P is not a demo. It is a full retail game that Polyphony Digital released for the PS3. Demos don't recieve $40 price tags and ratings and for that matter, they don't receive demos either.

As such, the racing physics can easily be compared between the two games and they have been, numerous times by numerous perfectly reputable websites. In fact, the only thing that can't really be compared is the amount of content.

For all we know, GT5 could have a run for its money in the form of Forza 3, which is exactly what they said. They speculated, just like the rest of us here are doing right now. Them saying that is no more of a joke than you saying GT5 will be better than Forza 3 or me disagreeing with that.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Obviously you care something about Forza 3's success, as you're constantly posting bad things about it in practically every Forza thread that pops up around here! :lol:

Yes, the wheel had force feedback (which isn't exaclty new technology) and the chair had hydraulics. That's all well and good but, well, let's think about this for a second. The wheel and chair could work just as well as they did with any arcade racer and that wouldn't change their opinions of the game's physics. If the game is arcadey, all the hydraulics-equipped chairs, three screen setups and force feedback racing wheels in the world aren't going to change that. The fact that they noticed the physics were very impressive underneath all of that (remember now, they said it was comparable to PC sims) says a lot about the game itself and less about the simulator.

Anyone watching the video could tell you that, while they enjoyed the simulator, it was the game itself that powered it and the comments I posted, in addition to those I didn't post (which you seem to enjoy twisting around, or just didn't see :wink: ) prove as much. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they're referencing the game itself when they say such things as "That was amazing. I can't even believe that was a console game." and "Hate to say it GT fanboys, you guys have your run for your money." they're talking about the game itself, and not the simulator they played it in.But, I'm just making things up. :lol:

Oh and as far as your clutch/shifter comment, I already posted a link confirming that but in case you missed it, here's a quote.

"Developed by Fanatec in collaboration with Turn 10 Studios, a Redmond, Washington-based video game developer, these features are set to provide the ultimate simracing experience on the Xbox 360 and include the following: a 900° steering rotation, clutch, sequential shifter,6+1 H-pattern shifter, and force feedback effects, which are automatically detected by the game."

Yep, I sure made that up alright. Please dude. That's your job.

Oh and the fact that GT5: P is "just a demo" (it isn't but that's a debate for another day so all I'll say is that demos aren't priced at $40 and given ratings) doesn't change anything. Whether or not the racing physics are realistic or not is something that can be easily compared between games, even in its current state.

The_Game21x

Dude, I know your posting history as it relates to the whole GT vs Forza debate. You're not fooling me. Like jg4xchamp said earlier in the thread, wherever there's a Forza thread, I'm usually right there and in many cases, so are you.

And how are the car models not accurate? I've also seen you say that before (reinforcing my earlier point) and I've yet to see you provide some sort of reasoning behind that besides "because I said so".

Like I said earlier, GT5: P is not a demo. It is a full retail game that Polyphony Digital released for the PS3. Demos don't recieve $40 price tags and ratings and for that matter, they don't receive demos either.

As such, the racing physics can easily be compared between the two games and they have been, numerous times by numerous perfectly reputable websites. In fact, the only thing that can't really be compared is the amount of content.

For all we know, GT5 could have a run for its money in the form of Forza 3, which is exactly what they said. They speculated, just like the rest of us here are doing right now. Them saying that is no more of a joke than you saying GT5 will be better than Forza 3 or me disagreeing with that.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Dude, I know your posting history as it relates to the whole GT vs Forza debate. You're not fooling me. Like jg4xchamp said earlier in the thread, wherever there's a Forza thread, I'm usually right there and in many cases, so are you.

And how are the car models not accurate? I've also seen you say that before (reinforcing my earlier point) and I've yet to see you provide some sort of reasoning behind that besides "because I said so".

Like I said earlier, GT5: P is not a demo. It is a full retail game that Polyphony Digital released for the PS3. Demos don't recieve $40 price tags and ratings and for that matter, they don't receive demos either.

As such, the racing physics can easily be compared between the two games and they have been, numerous times by numerous perfectly reputable websites. In fact, the only thing that can't really be compared is the amount of content.

For all we know, GT5 could have a run for its money in the form of Forza 3, which is exactly what they said. They speculated, just like the rest of us here are doing right now. Them saying that is no more of a joke than you saying GT5 will be better than Forza 3 or me disagreeing with that.

Adrian_Cloud

Where have I ever said Forza 2 was perfect or Forza 3 will be perfect? Oh, that's right. I haven't. I am well aware of the flaws of the Forza series. :|

Now, please, since you're apparently the expert on the subject, explain how Forza 3's car models and the cockpit view aren't accurate. It should be easy for you, unless you can't back up your claim and you're just speaking out of your ass.

And yes, it was uncalled for. But I expect nothing less. It's typical for people who are losing arguments to resort to childish insults. :wink:

the best part about system wars is when people get owned they are still so delusional that they refuse to admit it, and keep talking out of their.......of course it just makes spotting a fanboy that much easier.

Saw this earlier...and damn was that intense!

mixmax5