Fox news slams NEA for calling Video games as art.

I'm still not convinced that games are art. They're not meaningful or significant enough, beyond the surface levels of their stories and their entertainment value. biggest_loser

Art is a human creation that triggers an emotional, sensational or intellectual response. Videogames do that as well as any other medium.

FOX is for Patriots who sworn a oath to uphold the US Constitution, not a single party or person !!! The alphabet news networks on the other hand, ABC, NBC, CBS,CNN,CNBC,MSNBC etc. are for those who must swear allegiance against it me thinks. :?

Anyway, I believe like almost always, FOX had both sides represented - we report, you decide. Look, FOX didn't think a crucifix in a jar of piss, funded with tax payer dollars some years ago was art but the others thought that it was just peachy and deserved to be on display at a prominent art museum show.. :o

That said, VG represent some of the most stunning art ever created but hey, I am a gamer after all sooo, just saying. :P

they're focusing to much on the finished product, people playing the games.

rather than thinking about the skill & work it takes to make them.

Actually that was one of the more unbiased segments I've seen from them. The guy arguing the counterpoint was actually speaking more to the fact that the US government has way too much wasteful spending. He never said anything about videogames not being art.

I watched the video and then rage quit for a while after reading the first sentence of the OP.

The guy in the middle was mostly neutral and just asking questions. The fat guy on the left was supporting this. The guy on the right was just a big conservative guy was was against this because he claims they would raises taxes to fund this and that we shouldn't start making funds to a new form of art because of the debt we're in. But the conservative guy did piss me off with this comment though; "That's like saying we should fund ping-pong players because ping-pong is considered an art!"

The guy on the left addressed that it wasn't games like Call of Duty getting funding "that would be like saying the government is going fund the net Hollywood blockbuster" (his words) but indie game developers. You guys are being unfair to Fox News here. It as just the guy on the right being a dumbass and he was just there as their anti video game guy (because that's what you need for a debate, people who disagree with each other).

I thought they handled this very well.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what most of the country calls "fair and balanced" news.

Is it any wonder we are going right down the tubes.

789shadow

Video games is art. It requires artist. Concept artist, Environmental Artist, Character Artist, etc. You have to be dam good at art to get a spot. :?

Also....FOX NEWS!! :lol: :lol:

VensInferno

I can't even believe the people who posted the leak came to that conclusion. I guess people really do only hear what they want to hear.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Ambrozy owned him. :D

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what most of the country calls "fair and balanced" news.

Is it any wonder we are going right down the tubes.

RandomWinner

Unbelievable. I just watched it too. I think its far from fair and balanced. The angry conservative just ranted about how $0.43 of every dollar would go to videogames and funding Call of Duty while our other man argued that its just as valid as film. Ofcourse, some people can't see games as something more than ping pong. Its ignorant to think the gaming industry would be "10s of billions of dollars" from the fed and its just as ignorant to say it wouldn't create jobs.

Also, because I really believe a large percentage of Republicans are idiots, he complains about wasteful spending and how evil it is. Hey, how about you raise taxes on the top 2% of Americans, that would single handedly solve our debt crisis.

Ignorant rhetoric is all that spews out of that network and those gullable enough to believe it make the entire country look like morons.

And you wanna talk about what would create jobs? Stop forcing all businesses to offer insane benefits just has health coverage and retirement benefits for eve such low skill jobs as bagging groceries. Stop forcing minimum wage because it just causes inflation and the minimum wage becomes worthless. Stop forcing stupid stuff such as a having to hire a minority over a white guy for a raise just because the minority is a minority. Stop making it so easy to sue people over the dumbest crap so businesses wouldn't go to such lengths to cover their own asses in fear of lawsuits.

Then again, the only knowledge you have about businesses is from comedians such as Stephan Colbert and Jon Stewart who make easy money and just tell you what you want to hear. ;)

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I'm still not convinced that games are art. They're not meaningful or significant enough, beyond the surface levels of their stories and their entertainment value. Vesica_Prime

Art is a human creation that triggers an emotional, sensational or intellectual response. Videogames do that as well as any other medium.

I couldn't agree more :) It should also be added that meanigful and significance are in the eye of the beholder. You take any abstract painting in a museum (something "established" as art) - and some will praise how it's angles, strokes, and colour theme so strongly communicates the artists inner struggles to define himself (or some such interpretation), while others will just see random goopy formless dabs of paint.

Fox news sucks

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

They brought in two people from each side to debate it yet Fox is bashing it?

Jynxzor

Why am I not surprised that Fox News would be behind something as blatantly ignorant as that? :roll:

Why am I not surprised that Fox News would be behind something as blatantly ignorant as that? :roll:

The_Game21x

Actually that was one of the more unbiased segments I've seen from them. The guy arguing the counterpoint was actually speaking more to the fact that the US government has way too much wasteful spending. He never said anything about videogames not being art.

h575309

That is what is called a red herring. He doesn't have an argument or even an opinion really, so he just changes the subject.... It associates the issue with a separate negative issue and thus creates a bias against the issue in the mind of the audience. That story had a bias and they effective portrayed it by not even address the real issue at hand.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Why am I not surprised that Fox News would be behind something as blatantly ignorant as that? :roll:

Nerkcon

And let's not act like they have a history of being "evil and ignorant" on matters such as this, among others.

Faux News is the least respected name in news in the world outside of conservatives, and theres a good reason for it.

They're just playing devil's advocate. Wouldn't be much debate if they didn't include games like CoD.Chutebox

If they wanted to play devil's advocate then they should have used a legitimate argument. For example:

"Has gaming matured enough to warrant this type of classification by the NEA. Should we be giving money to game development instead of using that same money to fund large scale sculpture projects or significant documentaries? The NEA has limited funds as it is, so stretching those funds even more in an attempt to try to legitimize and broaden the spectrum of what can receive a grant is detrimental to the existing platform of projects that the NEA has already well established as worth grant money. In these hard economic times, is it wise to be spreading that money even thinner without any real context for what the results may be? The Web Content and Gaming grants that are proposed do not have a long enough history to properly guage the artistic merit of those medium and could take away from some of the established content that the NEA has a long history of being able to evaluate."

I spent 2 minutes and came up with a REAL counter-argument. The above would create a real debate. The actual broadcast used a red herring to bias the audience against the issue. It was **** journalism.

I have to agree that I do not want the government telling people what is and isn't art. Government funding of art gets into 1st Amendment issues, anyway.

I was happier when the US government did not consider video games, much less consider whether or not they were art.

Fox News is my favorite comedy program.

CoD has nothing to do with what they are talking about.... the issue they are dealing with is indie developers making artistic and educational games getting government money. What has CoD got to do with these games? nothing, so showing it is misleading. A fair thing to do would have been to actually show the types of games that would be getting funding.

It's like having a conversation about films getting the money and simply showing teen flicks full of sex and fart jokes.

alfredooo

No reason to be in a debate about the federal grants that are being argued. Don't make me hurt you Stevo.Jynxzor

lol! It can still be there for discussion purposes, I don't see why it automatically should equate to "lol Fox news!" That's just silly. Afterall, to Fox New's credit, they had a well adept individual arguing for the video games (since he flat-out destroyed, with his shaky voice, his opponent).

Obviously. CoD tries hard to emulate a Michael Bay film, and reviewers point out as much.

topgunmv

It does? lol

The analogy works pretty well if you ask me. Transformers and Call of Duty are both examples of superficial, commercialised entertainment. At least we can say that, when people try to make a point about video games as art, they never refer to Call of Duty.

DraugenCP

typical right wing propoganda and BS

jettpack

What?

Not when the discussion in question is specifically about NEA grants, which only are given to fund not-for-profit and educational works of art...

ianuilliam

That's true, however, it can still be used to represent video game market as a whole--get people to notice the discussion at hand is about video games. I still don't blame the editors for using the most popular game on the market right now to start off the video game discussion...

Well I normally like fox news this was done in bad taste. Then again you normally would not agree with everything you see on any channel. HarlockJC

Glenn Beck, because he is really a crazy Christan conservative rather than a libertarian, is bashing him endlessly when he isn't talking about his latest government take over theories. My family who are also actual libertarians are really pissed off at him right now but they still watch him sometimes.

EDIT: Eh, I don't know why I went off topic with this post. I guess my ADD is getting bad. :P

That's true, however, it can still be used to represent video game market as a whole--get people to notice the discussion at hand is about video games. I still don't blame the editors for using the most popular game on the market right now to start off the video game discussion...

ianuilliam

I honestly cant believe what I'm reading.

Well, not every game is getting funding. Just like movies, music and whatnot, some video games are art, like Machinarium and SotC, whereas others are entertainment like Call of Duty. When determininging what is art and what isnt, how about we judge based on the qualities of the invididual product as opposed to what medium it is in. NEA will fund those who are art, and not fund those who arent.

Despite Fox News being redicilously biased, they are smalltime compared to my old Social Science/Teacher/Religious Studies teacher.

Fox News makes me laugh everytime. I have to say, they donot dissapoint.

I actually think that Neal AsburyIS a Video Game character with his exagerated and overdramatic behaviour.

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

That's true, however, it can still be used to represent video game market as a whole--get people to notice the discussion at hand is about video games. I still don't blame the editors for using the most popular game on the market right now to start off the video game discussion...

Danm_999