From Sheep to Lemming...somethings matter.

This is a tough post to write.  I love Nintendo.  If I get a tattoo I'm going to slip either a green 1 Up mushroom or a triforce into it.  I have owned every single Nintendo console ever.  Three days ago I sold my Wii to pay for my new premium 360.  I am very happy with it.  I have four games right off the bat.  I play Live every night.

I still like Nintendo.  They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.  Frankly though the Wii wasn't enough.  Wii Sports was fun as hell...for about a month.   Zelda is one of the best games I've ever played.  I just can't warrant owning a system where I have to wait 6 months to play a good game.  I know its not their fault, its the third parties, but you know what Nintendo?  Its not my fault either.

Online was also a pretty big thing for me.  I loved my old Xbox, and going from that to the Wii was hard.   I know they will have it eventually, but A: I shouldn't have to wait, and B:  The friend code system is terrible.

One other thing.  I am not a graphics whore.  I was fighting alongside other sheep saying its not what matters, its the gameplay.  I still hold to it, but I am sick of lowering my standards just for loyalty, or so that I can play the next Mario (as amazing as it will be).  I like the leap in technology, and I know those will get better on the Wii as well, but there is too many games, too many features that all the other systems have standard, that we are on hands and knees begging Nintendo to give us.  Well I'm done begging.  I still support Nintendo but I now do it through Microsoft.

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

Filmdeviant27

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

This is a tough post to write. I love Nintendo. If I get a tattoo I'm going to slip either a green 1 Up mushroom or a triforce into it. I have owned every single Nintendo console ever. Three days ago I sold my Wii to pay for my new premium 360. I am very happy with it. I have four games right off the bat. I play Live every night.

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there. Frankly though the Wii wasn't enough. Wii Sports was fun as hell...for about a month. Zelda is one of the best games I've ever played. I just can't warrant owning a system where I have to wait 6 months to play a good game. I know its not their fault, its the third parties, but you know what Nintendo? Its not my fault either.

Online was also a pretty big thing for me. I loved my old Xbox, and going from that to the Wii was hard. I know they will have it eventually, but A: I shouldn't have to wait, and B: The friend code system is terrible.

One other thing. I am not a graphics whore. I was fighting alongside other sheep saying its not what matters, its the gameplay. I still hold to it, but I am sick of lowering my standards just for loyalty, or so that I can play the next Mario (as amazing as it will be). I like the leap in technology, and I know those will get better on the Wii as well, but there is too many games, too many features that all the other systems have standard, that we are on hands and knees begging Nintendo to give us. Well I'm done begging. I still support Nintendo but I now do it through Microsoft.

Filmdeviant27

I see exactly what you mean.  It's as if Nintendo has completely abandoned the hardcore gamers in favor of tapping the "new" and casual gamers. :( 

I also am utterly bored with my new Wii and have gone back to playing my PS2.  I'm thinking of selling my Wii and either saving for a future PS3 or getting a 360. 

[QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

Teufelhuhn

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

Lack of backlit Gameboy model all the way up until the GBA SP, don't forget that one.  

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

TekkenMaster606

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

Lack of backlit Gameboy model all the way up until the GBA SP, don't forget that one.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

TekkenMaster606

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

Lack of backlit Gameboy model all the way up until the GBA SP, don't forget that one.  

Was there any back-lit handheld before the SP? Just curious.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

gromit007

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

Lack of backlit Gameboy model all the way up until the GBA SP, don't forget that one.

Was there any back-lit handheld before the SP? Just curious.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

gromit007

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

Lack of backlit Gameboy model all the way up until the GBA SP, don't forget that one.

Was there any back-lit handheld before the SP? Just curious.

 Yeah.  You had at least the Lynx, Game Gear, and Turbo Express.  

1 word for u: Wii60Acemaster27

[QUOTE="Acemaster27"]1 word for u: Wii60xboxdevil

Nintendo will always have a place in my heart because I grew up playing Nintendo.

But Innovative?  no... never. They have been years behind everything that mattered in gaming since 1990 and its just not changing... adding a motion sensitive controller is not gonna change the fact that you are milking the same 3 or 4 gaming franchises for the last 15 years.

The only games that have more numbers behind the name then Nintendo games are Final Fantasy, but thats just because Nintindo doesnt keep count.

[QUOTE="xboxdevil"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]1 word for u: Wii60Kaze_no_Mirai

Two things to address:

 To the first guy who said get both for the long term.  Really can't afford both because I just got accepted to a Film School and it is a helluva lot of money. 

To the second guy who said get PS360.  I've played the PS3 (Every game)  I've followed it since it was announced, and I have to say it is the worst system since the Saturn.  I wouldn't take a s^$% on it, let alone own it.

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="xboxdevil"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]1 word for u: Wii60xboxdevil

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="xboxdevil"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]1 word for u: Wii60xboxdevil

This is a tough post to write.  I love Nintendo.  If I get a tattoo I'm going to slip either a green 1 Up mushroom or a triforce into it.  I have owned every single Nintendo console ever.  Three days ago I sold my Wii to pay for my new premium 360.  I am very happy with it.  I have four games right off the bat.  I play Live every night.

I still like Nintendo.  They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.  Frankly though the Wii wasn't enough.  Wii Sports was fun as hell...for about a month.   Zelda is one of the best games I've ever played.  I just can't warrant owning a system where I have to wait 6 months to play a good game.  I know its not their fault, its the third parties, but you know what Nintendo?  Its not my fault either.

Online was also a pretty big thing for me.  I loved my old Xbox, and going from that to the Wii was hard.   I know they will have it eventually, but A: I shouldn't have to wait, and B:  The friend code system is terrible.

One other thing.  I am not a graphics whore.  I was fighting alongside other sheep saying its not what matters, its the gameplay.  I still hold to it, but I am sick of lowering my standards just for loyalty, or so that I can play the next Mario (as amazing as it will be).  I like the leap in technology, and I know those will get better on the Wii as well, but there is too many games, too many features that all the other systems have standard, that we are on hands and knees begging Nintendo to give us.  Well I'm done begging.  I still support Nintendo but I now do it through Microsoft.

Filmdeviant27

You can't justify not playing games on your console for six months?

It just launched.

And there are more than 500 GC games you can play, 70 VC games, 40+ Wii games.

You could've found something, but I'm happy you're happy with your decision.

Coz I wouldn't trade my Wii for either of it competitors.

[QUOTE="xboxdevil"][QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"][QUOTE="xboxdevil"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"]1 word for u: Wii60RKFS

Metroid Prime 3 is a Halo 3 killerKama151

[QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

This is a tough post to write.  I love Nintendo.  If I get a tattoo I'm going to slip either a green 1 Up mushroom or a triforce into it.  I have owned every single Nintendo console ever.  Three days ago I sold my Wii to pay for my new premium 360.  I am very happy with it.  I have four games right off the bat.  I play Live every night.

I still like Nintendo.  They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.  Frankly though the Wii wasn't enough.  Wii Sports was fun as hell...for about a month.   Zelda is one of the best games I've ever played.  I just can't warrant owning a system where I have to wait 6 months to play a good game.  I know its not their fault, its the third parties, but you know what Nintendo?  Its not my fault either.

Online was also a pretty big thing for me.  I loved my old Xbox, and going from that to the Wii was hard.   I know they will have it eventually, but A: I shouldn't have to wait, and B:  The friend code system is terrible.

One other thing.  I am not a graphics whore.  I was fighting alongside other sheep saying its not what matters, its the gameplay.  I still hold to it, but I am sick of lowering my standards just for loyalty, or so that I can play the next Mario (as amazing as it will be).  I like the leap in technology, and I know those will get better on the Wii as well, but there is too many games, too many features that all the other systems have standard, that we are on hands and knees begging Nintendo to give us.  Well I'm done begging.  I still support Nintendo but I now do it through Microsoft.

darth-pyschosis

You can't justify not playing games on your console for six months?

It just launched.

And there are more than 500 GC games you can play, 70 VC games, 40+ Wii games.

You could've found something, but I'm happy you're happy with your decision.

Coz I wouldn't trade my Wii for either of it competitors.

Again I had a gamecube, and already played it. You can't use backwards compatibility as a reason to buy a Next-Gen system (which contrary to belief the Wii is). As for the 70 VC games, kudos to Nintendo to talking me into buying Super Marios Bros for the 6th time. Also have you seen the 40+ games for the Wii? Zelda, DBZ, Wario Ware, and Trauma Center are all that are good. Maybe Blur but I haven't played it. Also if I were trying to bash the Wii I could list way more numbers for the 360.Filmdeviant27

[QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]Again I had a gamecube, and already played it. You can't use backwards compatibility as a reason to buy a Next-Gen system (which contrary to belief the Wii is). As for the 70 VC games, kudos to Nintendo to talking me into buying Super Marios Bros for the 6th time. Also have you seen the 40+ games for the Wii? Zelda, DBZ, Wario Ware, and Trauma Center are all that are good. Maybe Blur but I haven't played it. Also if I were trying to bash the Wii I could list way more numbers for the 360.Ultimate_Peon

[QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]Again I had a gamecube, and already played it. You can't use backwards compatibility as a reason to buy a Next-Gen system (which contrary to belief the Wii is). As for the 70 VC games, kudos to Nintendo to talking me into buying Super Marios Bros for the 6th time. Also have you seen the 40+ games for the Wii? Zelda, DBZ, Wario Ware, and Trauma Center are all that are good. Maybe Blur but I haven't played it. Also if I were trying to bash the Wii I could list way more numbers for the 360.Ultimate_Peon

 Actually, for people who didn't own a Gamecube (like me), backwards compatibility is a perfectly good reason to list for getting the Wii. With the Wii I gain access to two generations of Nintendo console games, and at a minimum even if things somehow against all odds blow up in Nintendo's face then I get two generations worth of Nintendo's first-party developed games. And really, if you're going to talk about what games are "good" you should either go by the score on gamespot or not mention it at all, because cutting out the things you aren't interested in just gives a slanted picture.

The really really sad thing is...... you havent missed anything by missing 2 generations of Nintendos first party games... ITS THE SAME THING IT WAS 9 YEARS AGO... .minus the realy great games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Conker's.

[QUOTE="Ultimate_Peon"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]Again I had a gamecube, and already played it. You can't use backwards compatibility as a reason to buy a Next-Gen system (which contrary to belief the Wii is). As for the 70 VC games, kudos to Nintendo to talking me into buying Super Marios Bros for the 6th time. Also have you seen the 40+ games for the Wii? Zelda, DBZ, Wario Ware, and Trauma Center are all that are good. Maybe Blur but I haven't played it. Also if I were trying to bash the Wii I could list way more numbers for the 360.evilross

 Actually, for people who didn't own a Gamecube (like me), backwards compatibility is a perfectly good reason to list for getting the Wii. With the Wii I gain access to two generations of Nintendo console games, and at a minimum even if things somehow against all odds blow up in Nintendo's face then I get two generations worth of Nintendo's first-party developed games. And really, if you're going to talk about what games are "good" you should either go by the score on gamespot or not mention it at all, because cutting out the things you aren't interested in just gives a slanted picture.

The really really sad thing is...... you havent missed anything by missing 2 generations of Nintendos first party games... ITS THE SAME THING IT WAS 9 YEARS AGO... .minus the realy great games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Conker's.

Nintendo will always have a place in my heart because I grew up playing Nintendo.

But Innovative? no... never. They have been years behind everything that mattered in gaming since 1990 and its just not changing... adding a motion sensitive controller is not gonna change the fact that you are milking the same 3 or 4 gaming franchises for the last 15 years.

The only games that have more numbers behind the name then Nintendo games are Final Fantasy, but thats just because Nintindo doesnt keep count.

evilross

[QUOTE="Ultimate_Peon"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]Again I had a gamecube, and already played it. You can't use backwards compatibility as a reason to buy a Next-Gen system (which contrary to belief the Wii is). As for the 70 VC games, kudos to Nintendo to talking me into buying Super Marios Bros for the 6th time. Also have you seen the 40+ games for the Wii? Zelda, DBZ, Wario Ware, and Trauma Center are all that are good. Maybe Blur but I haven't played it. Also if I were trying to bash the Wii I could list way more numbers for the 360.evilross

 Actually, for people who didn't own a Gamecube (like me), backwards compatibility is a perfectly good reason to list for getting the Wii. With the Wii I gain access to two generations of Nintendo console games, and at a minimum even if things somehow against all odds blow up in Nintendo's face then I get two generations worth of Nintendo's first-party developed games. And really, if you're going to talk about what games are "good" you should either go by the score on gamespot or not mention it at all, because cutting out the things you aren't interested in just gives a slanted picture.

The really really sad thing is...... you havent missed anything by missing 2 generations of Nintendos first party games... ITS THE SAME THING IT WAS 9 YEARS AGO... .minus the realy great games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Conker's.

yo why are yah beating this guy down for. hes not bashing the wii, he just stated that the 360 will provide him a more overall performance. i love the nintendo systems and love the first party games. nintendo is still the best 1st party. but i also have a 360 and love the games coming out for it. this guy didnt say wii sucked. he said wii is good, its ok, and hes sure there will be games later, but the 360 offers him more now and later. jg4xchamp

Wow so writing a well thought out post instead of 360 PwNZ WII WII RoXOR!!!111is a bad thing here?Filmdeviant27

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]

I still like Nintendo. They are the most innovative, smart, know what your customer wants companies out there.

TekkenMaster606

The Virtual Boy, no-CD N64, and no-online GameCube suggest otherwise.

Lack of backlit Gameboy model all the way up until the GBA SP, don't forget that one.  

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]yo why are yah beating this guy down for. hes not bashing the wii, he just stated that the 360 will provide him a more overall performance. i love the nintendo systems and love the first party games. nintendo is still the best 1st party. but i also have a 360 and love the games coming out for it. this guy didnt say wii sucked. he said wii is good, its ok, and hes sure there will be games later, but the 360 offers him more now and later. Filmdeviant27

I'm sorry but for one thing I don't go by "scores" to tell me whats good. I can definitly say I've played almost everything for the Wii, so you can go be a Zombie for a website that tells you what to play or you can form your own opinion. Also I agree with you that if you didn't have a gamecube then there is an advantage, but the same goes for each system so thats why you can't use it as an argument.Filmdeviant27

When telling other people that "these _____" are the "only" games for a system are "good" yes you go by score, because you're blatantly cutting out things that other people might (and probably do) like. Compile a list for yourself all you want, but trying to press it upon others does nothing. And since when do all three systems have full backwards compatibility? PS3 launch models did but those are being replaced by newer ones with reduced functionality, and the 360's list of compatibility is limited as well.  Not to mention, so what if you can do similar with the other systems? It's still an advantage is it not?

[QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]I'm sorry but for one thing I don't go by "scores" to tell me whats good. I can definitly say I've played almost everything for the Wii, so you can go be a Zombie for a website that tells you what to play or you can form your own opinion. Also I agree with you that if you didn't have a gamecube then there is an advantage, but the same goes for each system so thats why you can't use it as an argument.Ultimate_Peon

[QUOTE="evilross"]

[QUOTE="Ultimate_Peon"][QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]Again I had a gamecube, and already played it. You can't use backwards compatibility as a reason to buy a Next-Gen system (which contrary to belief the Wii is). As for the 70 VC games, kudos to Nintendo to talking me into buying Super Marios Bros for the 6th time. Also have you seen the 40+ games for the Wii? Zelda, DBZ, Wario Ware, and Trauma Center are all that are good. Maybe Blur but I haven't played it. Also if I were trying to bash the Wii I could list way more numbers for the 360.jg4xchamp

 Actually, for people who didn't own a Gamecube (like me), backwards compatibility is a perfectly good reason to list for getting the Wii. With the Wii I gain access to two generations of Nintendo console games, and at a minimum even if things somehow against all odds blow up in Nintendo's face then I get two generations worth of Nintendo's first-party developed games. And really, if you're going to talk about what games are "good" you should either go by the score on gamespot or not mention it at all, because cutting out the things you aren't interested in just gives a slanted picture.

The really really sad thing is...... you havent missed anything by missing 2 generations of Nintendos first party games... ITS THE SAME THING IT WAS 9 YEARS AGO... .minus the realy great games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, and Conker's.

Yes... thats the point... I've been playing the exact same games on Nintendo consoles that i did went i was in 14 years old. Im 30 now... Its the same thing, just done a little different... The worst are the Zelda games.... its just incredible that a gaming franchise that innovated so much when it first started has been constantly stuck in the past.

Nintendo keeps singing this swan song about innovation, and "new-gen", and all they have done (so-far, for the last 15 years) is realease slightly updated versions of the same stuff they put out in 1986.

But both include the games mentioned which are (watch this now) WIDELY considered the best for the former consoles. Now you're right, I did use my opinion on those games, but are those games , yes or no, not the only decent ones on it? How many people are saying Cars pwned GeOW?Filmdeviant27

And about all those "horribly" re-used franchises Nintendo has.  Each system has those, and both Sony and Microsoft are quickly working their way up.  GTA3 was released in 2001.  Since then there have been 4 more released, and look how anticipated the next one is for PS3 and 360.  There's a giant thread on this same forum anticipating just the release of the trailer for the game. 

Thats true backwards compatibility does matter if you haven't had a gamecube especially because the GRAPHICS LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME, so its easy to get used to unlike switching between say gears of war and haloalec4ducks

[QUOTE="Filmdeviant27"]But both include the games mentioned which are (watch this now) WIDELY considered the best for the former consoles. Now you're right, I did use my opinion on those games, but are those games , yes or no, not the only decent ones on it? How many people are saying Cars pwned GeOW?Ultimate_Peon

And about all those "horribly" re-used franchises Nintendo has.  Each system has those, and both Sony and Microsoft are quickly working their way up.  GTA3 was released in 2001.  Since then there have been 4 more released, and look how anticipated the next one is for PS3 and 360.  There's a giant thread on this same forum anticipating just the release of the trailer for the game. 

Do you know what rhetoric is?

Thats true backwards compatibility does matter if you haven't had a gamecube especially because the GRAPHICS LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME, so its easy to get used to unlike switching between say gears of war and haloalec4ducks

Do you know what rhetoric is?Filmdeviant27