Funny..."hardcores" think graphics is what makes a system yet the Wii

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]No, mrjarantilla. The Wiimote has proved nothing of the sort. It's innovative and different but that doesn't make it better in an overall experience.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

VideoGameGuy

There are plenty of cheap people sitting in front of SDTVs right now playing thier cheap Wii and PS2s. When HDTV is less expensive and both the 360 and PS3 pricedrop you wont' see the mad rush to buy a Wii. In a few years both the 360 and the PS3 will outsell the Wii by a wide margin. The 130 Million people that bought XBOXs and PS2s wont' want to make a lateral move to a Wii with marginally better GFX. I personally can't figure out how Nintendo convinced GC owners to make essentially a lateral move to a new console just for the controller at 2.5 the price. Plus gouge them on a million accessories.

I own a TV that costs many times the amount of all 3 of these systems combined. Do you think I might choose a system that will take advantage of that?

You must have a special Wii that displays natively in at least 720p.  Good luck with that....Goes to play GeoW and Oblivon.

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

IronMaidenLives

you are making a lot of fanboys MAD as hell with this powerfull post

but you are 100% right

before the release of the wii, the experts here at system wars would laugh at the wii's chances of succes - they would claim that nobody would want such an underpowerd console, they would laugh at nintendo's seemingly idiotic approach

but then the wii went on to outsell/outperform every console in the market

good thing the experts here at system wars don't run nintendo

and really, the failure of the ps3 and the succes of the wii wasn't all too hard to predict - just looking at console history, graphic powerhouse consoles NEVER win. the PSP vs DS battle forshadowed the fact that the sony's approach with the PS3 just DOES NOT WORK - while nintendo's approach with the Wii/DS seems to lead to overwhelming success.

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

iwo4life

There are plenty of cheap people sitting in front of SDTVs right now playing thier cheap Wii and PS2s. When HDTV is less expensive and both the 360 and PS3 pricedrop you wont' see the mad rush to buy a Wii. In a few years both the 360 and the PS3 will outsell the Wii by a wide margin. The 130 Million people that bought XBOXs and PS2s wont' want to make a lateral move to a Wii with marginally better GFX. I personally can't figure out how Nintendo convinced GC owners to make essentially a lateral move to a new console just for the controller at 2.5 the price. Plus gouge them on a million accessories.

I own a TV that costs many times the amount of all 3 of these systems combined. Do you think I might choose a system that will take advantage of that?

You must have a special Wii that displays natively in at least 720p.  Good luck with that....Goes to play GeoW and Oblivon.

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

IronMaidenLives

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I don't think the Wii has proven that gameplay trumps graphics. a bunch of mini games do not constitute great gameplay. So far the best things about the Wii have been 2 upgraded gamecube titles, a tech demo and a title consisting of nothing but minigames...

The Wii is fun and simple to use at a cheap pricepoint.. THAT is why it is successful. It has nothing to do with superior gameplay because at this moment most of the Wii titles are subpar 3rd party shovelware.

Fun trumps everything. It's the K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid) factor at it's best at work here.

wavebrid

no ps1 and ps2 did and wii going to be the same :

what mim games? :|  wii sports (not mim game) rayman is (on all console) waire ware (has mini games still tehcially not called mimi game)  wii play (still not mim games)

so what mim games are you getting it ?

Warioware is a collection of minigames. It's always been that way. That's what it is and it's incredibly fun. But it's a bunch of mini games connected by little cute stories, which is ok, just don't try and make it more than that.

Wii play see above examples...What's funny is I enjoy all of these games, but lets not try and make them out to be more than they are: A bunch of games that you can pickup and play then put them away without any problem. I own a Wii and I have all 3 games, They are fun but shallow games. And I refuse to by a Wii 3rd party game until they decide to:

A.Stop making ports of games I played last year. Yes, the control scheme is new, but I basically played the same content already, no thanks

B. Stop with the goddamn shovelware.

This is tough love coming from me. I'm happy that the Wii is doing well, but even with the novel controls there are more compelling gaming experiences elsewhere.....They need quality software. (aside fron Ninty titles)

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Ibacai"]No, mrjarantilla. The Wiimote has proved nothing of the sort. It's innovative and different but that doesn't make it better in an overall experience.Ibacai

[QUOTE="thejakel11225"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

IronMaidenLives

Wasn't this the same dude that said people were jealous of a console :lol:

Yes, cows are jealous their precious powerhouse is being stomped by the Wii.

Do you honestly think the Wii will be like the PS2?  :lol:

The PS2 had something that the Wii does not: Games for everyone, not just pointless minigames and last-gen ports.

If anything the 360 will be the new PS2. 

[QUOTE="Nteks"]

I don't care the Wii still has subpar graphics. Therefore I'm not buying it.

 

 

Tylendal

 Which system was graphiclly superier to SNES? As I remember, when Rare discovered how to use Mode 7 to render graphics, it pretty much put the rest of the competition out of business...

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Nteks"]

I don't care the Wii still has subpar graphics. Therefore I'm not buying it.

DXGreat1_HGL

Which system was graphiclly superier to SNES? As I remember, when Rare discovered how to use Mode 7 to render graphics, it pretty much put the rest of the competition out of business...

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Ibacai"]No, mrjarantilla. The Wiimote has proved nothing of the sort. It's innovative and different but that doesn't make it better in an overall experience.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Nteks"]

I don't care the Wii still has subpar graphics. Therefore I'm not buying it.

 

 

mjarantilla

Which system was graphiclly superier to SNES? As I remember, when Rare discovered how to use Mode 7 to render graphics, it pretty much put the rest of the competition out of business...

No it wasn't...Jaguar was part of the 32-bit gen. 

There's never been a mainstream console that was so far behind the tech curve  as the Wii, that's just how it is.

[QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Ibacai"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Ibacai"]No, mrjarantilla. The Wiimote has proved nothing of the sort. It's innovative and different but that doesn't make it better in an overall experience.mjarantilla

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

Last time I checked sales don't prove anything....

So by your logic.... since Simpsons Hit N Run sold more copies than Devil May Cry 1 your telling me Simpsons Hit N Run is a better game.....:|

MikeE21286

Isn't a console war about what sells more? Not what it better?

Retort failed. Try again.

Silly me.  I thought it was whatever console had the best games on it........

I don't play "sales" I play games.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

Gameplay trumps graphics.Cookiegut

Or cheap trumps expensive.

Correct, but for those crappy graphics I'd rather buy a PS2. 

According to your reasoning Nsync is better than Jimmy Hendrix.  

ramey70

That is hilarious!!!!  So true.  Look at who wins awards, rarely the best artists.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="thejakel11225"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"][QUOTE="thejakel11225"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

thejakel11225

Wasn't this the same dude that said people were jealous of a console :lol:

Yes, cows are jealous their precious powerhouse is being stomped by the Wii.

If i liked the Wii i would've bought it, no reason to get jealous of a machine, Sheep logic gets worse by every post..

I own zero current-gen systems. I am not a sheep. Generalization failed. Retort irrelevant. Post discarded.

pritty obvious you're a Wii fan, which makes you a sheep, your logic fails, post discarded.

How can I be a Wii fan if I don't own one?

It's prEtty obvious you don't know what you are talking about.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

Last time I checked sales don't prove anything....

So by your logic.... since Simpsons Hit N Run sold more copies than Devil May Cry 1 your telling me Simpsons Hit N Run is a better game.....:|

IronMaidenLives

Isn't a console war about what sells more? Not what it better?

Retort failed. Try again.

I don't think a console war is exclusively about sales.  Many people come here to argue about which system is "better", in his opinion.  Personally, I'm not a group-think kind of person and tend to make choices about products because of what they'll do for me, not what is popular. 

With respect to the Wii, I'm not impressed by its graphics, AI capabilities, or even its controller at this point.  I'll buy one when I'm convinced it's for real.

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

IronMaidenLives

1) Wii's graphics are terrible for this gen.  and so far the games are barely even comparable to Gamecube graphics.  Even with Iwata saying "2 to 3 times better graphics" (not exact quote but along the same lines), Wii is STILL not even up to that low standard.  I realize Wii has graphics worse than 360 and PS3, but supposedly the Wii hardware can render much better graphics than what has been shown.  It has been 5 months.  Wii needs to showcase some better graphics.  Remember the flack Xbox 360 got when it debuted about its "subpar" graphics. Then Fight Night Round 3, Oblivion, and GRAW released and shut up the haters about that (accept for the dillusional people who still made fun of the 360s graphics).  Those games came out within 4 months of the 360's life cycle and showcased some great graphics.  Wii isn't even close to showcasing its graphics hardware even though it is "subpar".  That is just downright pathetic. 

2) Wii is ONLY SELLING BETTER THAN PS3 because of the price and the novelty of the controller. Of course a $250 system that comes with a "free" game is going to sell better than a $600 system with no free game.  Wii is much cheaper than the other 2 competitors this gen.  If Xbox 360 and PS3 were $300 just like last gen...then Wii would be dead in the water....innovative controller or not.  

Graphics are icing on the cake to what highly advanced hardware can do.

Picture your moving through a shockingly realistic forest. As you crawl through shrubbery you hear two guys speaking in a different language you don't understand. You move closer, and, suddenly, because of advanced AI only capable with powerful hardware, they hear you and immediately shout for backup, blindfire, and jump for cover. Working together like real people, they bark orders and flank your now discovered postion. Bullets tear holes in trees, bushes, and ground as they bombard your postion. Working together, they are far more dangerous and intelligent than any enemy in any other, older game you've ever experienced.

Picture you're moving down a dirt road when a humvee rips through the road and narrowly misses slamming into you. You turn and shoot out the tires and the car skids across the road and comes to a stop.

I care about advanced hardware because it helps improve gameplay. Graphics are just icing on the cake. The fact that the majority of people don't agree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

VideoGameGuy

There are plenty of cheap people sitting in front of SDTVs right now playing thier cheap Wii and PS2s.  When HDTV is less expensive and both the 360 and PS3 pricedrop you wont' see the mad rush to buy a Wii.  In a few years both the 360 and the PS3 will outsell the Wii by a wide margin.  The 130 Million people that bought XBOXs and PS2s wont' want to make a lateral move to a Wii with marginally better GFX.  I personally can't figure out how Nintendo convinced GC owners to make essentially a lateral move to a new console just for the controller at 2.5 the price.  Plus gouge them on a million accessories.

I own a TV that costs many times the amount of all 3 of these systems combined.  Do you think I might choose a system that will take advantage of that? 

Yeah to bad your HDTV is a waste in terms of WIi usage, you might as well play it on an SDTV.

I dislike the Wii because

1. It's $250 yet does little more than introduce a new controller and the Wii Channels.

2. The graphics are no where near that of the PC, PS3, or 360 and some Xbox games look better than any Wii game.

3. The games aren't all that good. They're the worst reviewed overall of all 3 consoles. 

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

MikeE21286

There are plenty of cheap people sitting in front of SDTVs right now playing thier cheap Wii and PS2s.  When HDTV is less expensive and both the 360 and PS3 pricedrop you wont' see the mad rush to buy a Wii.  In a few years both the 360 and the PS3 will outsell the Wii by a wide margin.  The 130 Million people that bought XBOXs and PS2s wont' want to make a lateral move to a Wii with marginally better GFX.  I personally can't figure out how Nintendo convinced GC owners to make essentially a lateral move to a new console just for the controller at 2.5 the price.  Plus gouge them on a million accessories.

I own a TV that costs many times the amount of all 3 of these systems combined.  Do you think I might choose a system that will take advantage of that? 

Yeah to bad your HDTV is a waste in terms of WIi usage, you might as well play it on an SDTV.

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"][QUOTE="iwo4life"]There are plenty of cheap people sitting in front of SDTVs right now playing thier cheap Wii and PS2s. When HDTV is less expensive and both the 360 and PS3 pricedrop you wont' see the mad rush to buy a Wii. In a few years both the 360 and the PS3 will outsell the Wii by a wide margin. The 130 Million people that bought XBOXs and PS2s wont' want to make a lateral move to a Wii with marginally better GFX. I personally can't figure out how Nintendo convinced GC owners to make essentially a lateral move to a new console just for the controller at 2.5 the price. Plus gouge them on a million accessories.

I own a TV that costs many times the amount of all 3 of these systems combined. Do you think I might choose a system that will take advantage of that?

iwo4life

You must have a special Wii that displays natively in at least 720p.  Good luck with that....Goes to play GeoW and Oblivon.

Looks fine to me too.

[QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

I don't think the Wii has proven that gameplay trumps graphics. a bunch of mini games do not constitute great gameplay. So far the best things about the Wii have been 2 upgraded gamecube titles, a tech demo and a title consisting of nothing but minigames...

The Wii is fun and simple to use at a cheap pricepoint.. THAT is why it is successful. It has nothing to do with superior gameplay because at this moment most of the Wii titles are subpar 3rd party shovelware.

Fun trumps everything. It's the K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid) factor at it's best at work here.

heretrix

no ps1 and ps2 did and wii going to be the same :

what mim games? :| wii sports (not mim game) rayman is (on all console) waire ware (has mini games still tehcially not called mimi game) wii play (still not mim games)

so what mim games are you getting it ?

Warioware is a collection of minigames. It's always been that way. That's what it is and it's incredibly fun. But it's a bunch of mini games connected by little cute stories, which is ok, just don't try and make it more than that.

Wii play see above examples...What's funny is I enjoy all of these games, but lets not try and make them out to be more than they are: A bunch of games that you can pickup and play then put them away without any problem. I own a Wii and I have all 3 games, They are fun but shallow games. And I refuse to by a Wii 3rd party game until they decide to:

A.Stop making ports of games I played last year. Yes, the control scheme is new, but I basically played the same content already, no thanks

B. Stop with the goddamn shovelware.

This is tough love coming from me. I'm happy that the Wii is doing well, but even with the novel controls there are more compelling gaming experiences elsewhere.....They need quality software. (aside fron Ninty titles)

You're actually quite right about games like Wii Sports... good thing most people didn't have to actually buy it separately.  Which makes the fun I have with Sports infinitely satisfying.  

 As for the 3rd party games, most developers got caught with their pants down and ended up putting together half-assed ports.  And those that didn't really think the Wii would do well, i.e. most of the people on this board, are now scrambling to cash in on its success, which means that some of the games are going to suck because they rushed them.  The Wii's success that has come with only a handful of superb titles like Zelda, Trauma Center and WarioWare, and a bunch of others that are more subpar, but still are selling.  I'm very interested in seeing what some of the more creative developers put together, which could lead to even more success and sales from the "hardcore" crowd.

The Wii might have sold more than the PS3, but that doesn't mean I'm going to like it more. :? Sales mean little.Watch_Me_Xplode

Peole who say sales don't matter are either fooling themselves or have no idea how the market works.

Sales mean everything. Everything. More sales means a larger potential audience, which means that 3rd parties will direct more of their resources into making games to take advantage of that audience. Sales are the reason the PS2 won the last generation. It wasn't the most powerful console, or the cheapest console, but it was the console with the largest potential audience, and thus it was the console with the most games.

At a certain point, the cycle snowballs upon itself as more games means more console buyers, which makes the audience even larger, which makes it more attractive to 3rd parties who release more games, and so on and so on. Where this point is, that's up for debate. But there's no question that both the Wii and 360 are closer to that point than the PS3 at this time.

A lot of hardcores do think graphics matter...but the majority of console owners aren't hardcore....thats why we make the distinctioneddy_of_york

That's why I do find it amusing that the "hardcores" need to slam the Wii.  Because if they really cared about graphics all this time, they would have purchased a gaming PC.  All this talk about HDTV and consoles, and I've been gaming in Hi-def for years now.  If I wanted to play Oblivion, I've got the PC, same for a multitude of good FPS, strategy, sims, etc.  But if I want to play something unique like Trauma Center, or have fun with friends, you know, in the same room, I gotta go to the Wii.   I'll play a good JRPG on a console like the PS2, since I've been doing that since my NES days, but other than that, most of the next gen system games don't offer me anything new or interesting yet.  Maybe I'll get a 360 for Blue Dragon or Mass Effect, otherwise... meh. 

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

IronMaidenLives

ha sheep. a superb game requires Graphics and Gameplay. look at the gamespot rating system.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="wavebrid"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

I don't think the Wii has proven that gameplay trumps graphics. a bunch of mini games do not constitute great gameplay. So far the best things about the Wii have been 2 upgraded gamecube titles, a tech demo and a title consisting of nothing but minigames...

The Wii is fun and simple to use at a cheap pricepoint.. THAT is why it is successful. It has nothing to do with superior gameplay because at this moment most of the Wii titles are subpar 3rd party shovelware.

Fun trumps everything. It's the K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid) factor at it's best at work here.

StrikerGold

no ps1 and ps2 did and wii going to be the same :

what mim games? :| wii sports (not mim game) rayman is (on all console) waire ware (has mini games still tehcially not called mimi game) wii play (still not mim games)

so what mim games are you getting it ?

Warioware is a collection of minigames. It's always been that way. That's what it is and it's incredibly fun. But it's a bunch of mini games connected by little cute stories, which is ok, just don't try and make it more than that.

Wii play see above examples...What's funny is I enjoy all of these games, but lets not try and make them out to be more than they are: A bunch of games that you can pickup and play then put them away without any problem. I own a Wii and I have all 3 games, They are fun but shallow games. And I refuse to by a Wii 3rd party game until they decide to:

A.Stop making ports of games I played last year. Yes, the control scheme is new, but I basically played the same content already, no thanks

B. Stop with the goddamn shovelware.

This is tough love coming from me. I'm happy that the Wii is doing well, but even with the novel controls there are more compelling gaming experiences elsewhere.....They need quality software. (aside fron Ninty titles)

You're actually quite right about games like Wii Sports... good thing most people didn't have to actually buy it separately.  Which makes the fun I have with Sports infinitely satisfying.  

 As for the 3rd party games, most developers got caught with their pants down and ended up putting together half-assed ports.  And those that didn't really think the Wii would do well, i.e. most of the people on this board, are now scrambling to cash in on its success, which means that some of the games are going to suck because they rushed them.  The Wii's success that has come with only a handful of superb titles like Zelda, Trauma Center and WarioWare, and a bunch of others that are more subpar, but still are selling.  I'm very interested in seeing what some of the more creative developers put together, which could lead to even more success and sales from the "hardcore" crowd.

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

ramey70

According to your reasoning Nsync is better than Jimmy Hendrix.

Somehow, I don't think Nsync's music cost hundreds more than Jimmy Hendrix. 

[QUOTE="IronMaidenLives"]

I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

ramey70

According to your reasoning Nsync is better than Jimmy Hendrix.

So we all agree that the Xbox and GC were both better than ps2 right? 

I find it quite ironic that something with such good gameplay instead of graphics (obviously a console pro :roll: ) fell short of it's hype, I mean, I was here when people hyped Red Steel to be the best FPS ever because of a remote, and LoZ:TP got 10. Ohh wait, thats not irony.

Seriously I don't see the big deal yet. I have been a gamer since 86 and this console is just boring to me. Even got Wii Play which people raved about.

It's boring as hell. Whats so fun about just waving your arm, i see why it is fun for those of lower intelligence and children, but whats challenging. Heck, they even autorun to the ball in tennis for you, guess they know the players of these games can't comprehend both waving one arm and moving the player with the other.

So far the only people I know who love it are children who come in to buy thier games or college students who ONLY play it when they are drunk.

Hehe, every day I see a new excuse.  Today, the excuse is "bu bu teh wii doesn't count 'cuz it's not teh competing!!!"

Haters are scared crapless that the Wii's going to overtake their console.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

Last time I checked sales don't prove anything....

So by your logic.... since Simpsons Hit N Run sold more copies than Devil May Cry 1 your telling me Simpsons Hit N Run is a better game.....:|

IronMaidenLives

Isn't a console war about what sells more? Not what it better?

Retort failed. Try again.

Why do you even care which one sells more? Do you stand to make a profit off of every Wii sold?....I thought not. Anyway, the ONLY reason that the Wii is outselling the PS3 is simply because it is $250.00, and it's marketing target is the casuals, and non-gamer market. Parents would also rather buy their kids a $250.00 game console with more "kid friendly" games as well, and that also contributes to the Wii's success.

The Wii is simply aimed a completely different gaming market completely. As anyone who wants to mainly play games like Gears of War, Lair, Halo 3, Resistance, MGS4 and Oblivion, ect., are simply not going to buy a Wii, unless they just decide to pick one up because it is CHEAP. As for some, it might make a nice addition to their MAIN consoles, which of course would be either a 360, a PS3....or BOTH.

Anyway, I have seen several different threads created by you, constantly trying to claim that 360/PS3 owners are some how jealous of the Wii, lol. If someone can afford to buy a $600.00 or a $400.00 console, or in some cases, like with myself, can afford to buy both....do you not think that it would be rather easy to pick up a $250.00 as well if we wanted one so bad? Did it ever occur to you that just maybe some PS3/360 owners just do not find the Wii appealing?;) So why do you persist? 

Regardless, in the end the sales figures are not going to effect us gamers either way, because neither the PS3, 360, or the Wii is going to "die" this generation, and each will have plenty of games that will appeal to their respective audience. So, while you are busy bashing the PS3 because the CHEAPER Wii is out selling it for the time being, others will be enjoying the great catalog of games that are due out for both the PS3, and the 360.

I must confess though, "teh innovationz" of games like 'Cooking Mama' completely makes waiting for games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Elveon, Assassin's Creed, Dark Sector, Resident Evil 5, Harker, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, Turok, Wardevil, GOW 3, ect., ect., ect. just seem utterly and completely pointless.

Why oh why do I even bother waiting for such an inferior gaming experience, when I could just sell both my 360, and my PS3, and just stick with "teh innovationz" of the almighty Wii, enjoying watered down ports of PS2 games? Let us not forget the redundant, and tired ole' Mario games....how could I forget? 

Thanks, but no thanks....and good luck with the sales figures by the way, lol. Meanwhile, I will be more concerned with what GAMES that I will be able to play.;) 

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I find it quite ironic that the Wii's graphics are the target for ridicule when the PS3 is selling nowhere near what the Wii is. If graphics are so important, how does a logical person explain this?

It is simple, the majority has spoken with their wallets. Gameplay trumps graphics. I have ow concluded that the PS3 will not win the "console war". However, the Wii possibly can. The 360? When most games available on the PS3 are available on the cheaper console, it is only logical to conclude that the 360 wins.

The PS2 destroyed the competition. The PS3 will not.

VideoGameGuy

There are plenty of cheap people sitting in front of SDTVs right now playing thier cheap Wii and PS2s. When HDTV is less expensive and both the 360 and PS3 pricedrop you wont' see the mad rush to buy a Wii. In a few years both the 360 and the PS3 will outsell the Wii by a wide margin. The 130 Million people that bought XBOXs and PS2s wont' want to make a lateral move to a Wii with marginally better GFX. I personally can't figure out how Nintendo convinced GC owners to make essentially a lateral move to a new console just for the controller at 2.5 the price. Plus gouge them on a million accessories.

I own a TV that costs many times the amount of all 3 of these systems combined. Do you think I might choose a system that will take advantage of that?

You must have a special Wii that displays natively in at least 720p. Good luck with that....Goes to play GeoW and Oblivon.

 It doesn't take full advantage of a HDTV.  If you think it does then good luck to you.  

The Wii's graphics isn't the only reason why it's not a good console.purplemidgets

Bingo.  It's just the most readily apparent reason.