Gabe Newell: Valve's Steam Machines Outperform Consoles at Same Price Point

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#1 Juub1990
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http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gabe-newell-valves-steam-machines-outperform-conso/1100-6432041/

He continued: "So the same price point as today, except you get better performance and you're connected to everything you like about the PC and the Internet."

Aside from a handful of exclusives, consoles have nothing to offer over PC any more.

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Show me a $349.99 steam machine that outperforms the PS4.

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Yep, dem fight'n werds......

Fatass Gabe just declared war on consoles, so he's comparing his creation the Steam Machine along side with the other consoles.

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#4  Edited By commander
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GREAT , does it run halo 5?

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@FireEmblem_Man said:

Yep, dem fight'n werds......

Fatass Gabe just declared war on consoles, so he's comparing his creation the Steam Machine along side with the other consoles.

Why shouldn't he? Gaben is not some two-faced corporate who congratulates oppositions and milks timed exclusives.

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@commander said:

GREAT , does it run halo 5?

Does the Xbox One run Unreal Tournament?

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Who is the steam machine's target audience? If it is PC gamers they wouldn't buy because they have a PC that out performs it. Console folks aren't buying because they have the specific games on their system.

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@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

Yep, dem fight'n werds......

Fatass Gabe just declared war on consoles, so he's comparing his creation the Steam Machine along side with the other consoles.

Why shouldn't he? Gaben is not some two-faced corporate who congratulates oppositions and milks timed exclusives.

So you like him sitting on your face all the time? He's as much as a two-faced corporated who congratulates oppositions and then buys out mods and slap the Valve logo on and said they created the game. Also, their Customer Support still sucks.

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#9  Edited By GhoX
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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

Yep, dem fight'n werds......

Fatass Gabe just declared war on consoles, so he's comparing his creation the Steam Machine along side with the other consoles.

Why shouldn't he? Gaben is not some two-faced corporate who congratulates oppositions and milks timed exclusives.

So you like him sitting on your face all the time? He's as much as a two-faced corporated who congratulates oppositions and then buys out mods and slap the Valve logo on and said they created the game. Also, their Customer Support still sucks.

No he is not. This may surprise you, but Valve is actually still an indie. A very big indie, but nonetheless indie. Gaben can be his own person and have his own agenda, owning no loyalty to tens of thousands of public shareholders like the faces of Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

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@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

Yep, dem fight'n werds......

Fatass Gabe just declared war on consoles, so he's comparing his creation the Steam Machine along side with the other consoles.

Why shouldn't he? Gaben is not some two-faced corporate who congratulates oppositions and milks timed exclusives.

So you like him sitting on your face all the time? He's as much as a two-faced corporated who congratulates oppositions and then buys out mods and slap the Valve logo on and said they created the game. Also, their Customer Support still sucks.

No he is not. This may surprise you, but Valve is actually still an indie. A very big indie, but nonetheless indie. Gaben can be his own person and have his own agenda, owning no loyalty to tens of thousands of public shareholders like the faces of Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

You're so blinded by his big fatass, he's a runs a CORPORATION that got off money with Steam, and they have become big enough to act like a CORPORATION. Not my fault you like to bend on your knees for a CORPORATION.

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#11 GhoX
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@FireEmblem_Man said:
@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

So you like him sitting on your face all the time? He's as much as a two-faced corporated who congratulates oppositions and then buys out mods and slap the Valve logo on and said they created the game. Also, their Customer Support still sucks.

No he is not. This may surprise you, but Valve is actually still an indie. A very big indie, but nonetheless indie. Gaben can be his own person and have his own agenda, owning no loyalty to tens of thousands of public shareholders like the faces of Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

You're so blinded by his big fatass, he's a runs a CORPORATION that got off money with Steam, and they have become big enough to act like a CORPORATION. Not my fault you like to bend on your knees for a CORPORATION.

You are simply ignorant. Look up how companies work, and understand the distinct difference between private and public companies. Then use the power of logic to assess the difference between someone like Gaben and someone like Kazuo Hirai.

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#12  Edited By Blabadon
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I would easily take a PS4 or Xbox One at $350, and on Black Friday $300, over any Linux based Steam machine at the same prices.

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#13  Edited By GhostHawk196
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Thats all well and good but what use would the steam box have for those who have a Titan X/980Ti/980 equivalent/Powerful gaming laptop and PS4/XONE or both?

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Lol Consoles.

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#15  Edited By flashn00b
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Performance means ****-all when the SteamOS library is crap at best.

My statement still stands: Valve need to pay off the bribes.

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Of course they do. Consoles were relatively cheap at release, and we're a couple of years into the gen.

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@Juub1990 said:
@commander said:

GREAT , does it run halo 5?

Does the Xbox One run Unreal Tournament?

Doesn't need to, it's a shitty game.

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#18  Edited By AnthonyAutumns
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@360ru13r said:

Who is the steam machine's target audience? If it is PC gamers they wouldn't buy because they have a PC that out performs it. Console folks aren't buying because they have the specific games on their system.

I'm pretty sure I'm not one of those since I own a better one. But in fairness I think their target are those who want to try PC Gaming but is afraid to build a gaming rig? Or those who were massively disappointed in this generation's console gaming and wants to switch to PC Gaming but has no great knowledge of building a gaming one? I think it's safe to assume they're targeting a niche one.

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@emgesp said:

Show me a $349.99 steam machine that outperforms the PS4.

Doesn't exist.

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@flashn00b said:

Performance means ****-all when the SteamOS library is crap at best.

My statement still stands: Valve need to pay off the bribes.

Steam Machines will launch with over 1 500 games, compared with the Xbox One's and PlayStation 4's 20 or so titles at launch. Chances are, there will be more games you'll like with Steam Machines at launch than with that pathetic launch lineup that the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 had.

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@ultimateimp said:
@Juub1990 said:
@commander said:

GREAT , does it run halo 5?

Does the Xbox One run Unreal Tournament?

Doesn't need to, it's a shitty game.

Says you.

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@ultimateimp said:
@Juub1990 said:
@commander said:

GREAT , does it run halo 5?

Does the Xbox One run Unreal Tournament?

Doesn't need to, it's a shitty game.

Translation: No.

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@TheWalkingGhost said:
@emgesp said:

Show me a $349.99 steam machine that outperforms the PS4.

Doesn't exist.

Exactly, didn't think so. Gabe is full of crap.

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@GhoX: The overweight lover is still in it to make money, period.

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@Cloud_imperium

Lol Steam machines!!!:

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@phantomfire335 said:
@ultimateimp said:
@Juub1990 said:
@commander said:

GREAT , does it run halo 5?

Does the Xbox One run Unreal Tournament?

Doesn't need to, it's a shitty game.

Says you.

We really needed clarification on that, good work gentle sir.

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#27  Edited By GhoX
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@GhoX: The overweight lover is still in it to make money, period.

Of course he wants to make money. So does people like Notch.

However, the fact remains that he is at least capable of possessing something in his mind other than just "money", unlike a mass of unidentifiable shareholders. And judging by Gaben's past actions, he's clearly aiming for more than just money, since Steam already prints money pretty much endlessly at this point.

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Cool, a Linux based PC will kill consoles. Yep, I see that happening. Not ridiculous at all.

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Quiet Gabe. Just bend over and beg MS to make you a windows steambox because no one wants your Linux shitbox that plays 1/10 of their steam library.

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@ultimateimp said:
@phantomfire335 said:
@ultimateimp said:
@Juub1990 said:
@commander said:

GREAT , does it run halo 5?

Does the Xbox One run Unreal Tournament?

Doesn't need to, it's a shitty game.

Says you.

We really needed clarification on that, good work gentle sir.

meanwhile Halo 5 will be dead when the next shitty console shooters comes out.

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@mems_1224 said:

Quiet Gabe. Just bend over and beg MS to make you a windows steambox because no one wants your Linux shitbox that plays 1/10 of their steam library.

I see the lunacy in System Wars hasn't changed. Since when has Linux having close to 1/4 of of the Windows catalogue on Steam become 1/10? Ridiculous hyperbole is ridiculous.

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#32  Edited By mems_1224
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@Hexagon_777: still an extremely small fraction and worthless

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#33  Edited By UltimateImp
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@MBirdy88 said:
@ultimateimp said:

We really needed clarification on that, good work gentle sir.

meanwhile Halo 5 will be dead when the next shitty console shooters comes out.

Halo 5 will only die if, and when a better shooter comes out. IE when Halo 6 comes out. Until that time comes, Halo 5 will remain the current king of FPS.

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#34 Hexagon_777
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@charizard1605 said:

Cool, a Linux based PC will kill consoles. Yep, I see that happening. Not ridiculous at all.

Has there ever before been a Linux based console competing against the other consoles with the kind of backing that Valve provides?

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Nah. Steam doesn't get the first party exclusives consoles have.

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@Hexagon_777: still an extremely small fraction and worthless

Linux having 23.32% of the games that Windows has on Steam in the 2 years that Valve has supported Linux without Steam Machines even being out yet still deemed small after initially claiming that it's only 10%. Okay, then.

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@Hexagon_777: what backing can Valve provide, exactly? A lack of first party games or exclusives, an OS based on Linux so most notable Steam games are missing, an incompatibility with other clients so games like World of Warcraft, Hearthstone, League of Legenda, Minecraft, and anything EA, won't work on the systems, all in a prebuilt PC package? Forgive me, I'm not seeing the formidable backing here.

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@Hexagon_777 said:
@mems_1224 said:

@Hexagon_777: still an extremely small fraction and worthless

Linux having 23.32% of the games that Windows has on Steam in the 2 years that Valve has supported Linux without Steam Machines even being out yet still deemed small after initially claiming that it's only 10%. Okay, then.

No Fallout, No COD, No GTAV, No Rocket League, No MGSV, No AC Snydicate. Who the **** wants a console that can't play the years biggest games? I can get a fucking WiiU for that. Okay, then.

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#39  Edited By Jaysonguy
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@GhoX said:

Valve is actually still an indie. A very big indie, but nonetheless indie. Gaben can be his own person and have his own agenda, owning no loyalty to tens of thousands of public shareholders like the faces of Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What the Christ?

I feel this is a direct result of us not doing our jobs and letting things like this be said and not corrected.

No, Steam and everything to do with Steam is not indie.

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@Jaysonguy: nah man MS and Sony are the real Indies. No one owns them

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#41  Edited By Butcer2
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@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:
@GhoX said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

Yep, dem fight'n werds......

Fatass Gabe just declared war on consoles, so he's comparing his creation the Steam Machine along side with the other consoles.

Why shouldn't he? Gaben is not some two-faced corporate who congratulates oppositions and milks timed exclusives.

So you like him sitting on your face all the time? He's as much as a two-faced corporated who congratulates oppositions and then buys out mods and slap the Valve logo on and said they created the game. Also, their Customer Support still sucks.

No he is not. This may surprise you, but Valve is actually still an indie. A very big indie, but nonetheless indie. Gaben can be his own person and have his own agenda, owning no loyalty to tens of thousands of public shareholders like the faces of Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

yeah and ubisoft is a middle market developer and call of duty is a niche title

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#42  Edited By ironcreed
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I enjoy my exclusives and ease of use, but I do have some interest. The problem is, I already have too much on my plate as it is and the Nintendo NX is also right around the corner. I really just don't have the need.

At the end of the day, they are just PCs and have always been there for those that want one. These things will not be making any dents into the console market for reasons that are obvious.

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@360ru13r: Considering most of the games I buy are on Steam, I'm actually considering it. It'll be cheaper than getting a new gaming PC (my current laptop needs upgrading/replacing to play the latest games).

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@ultimateimp said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@ultimateimp said:

We really needed clarification on that, good work gentle sir.

meanwhile Halo 5 will be dead when the next shitty console shooters comes out.

Halo 5 will only die if, and when a better shooter comes out. IE when Halo 6 comes out. Until that time comes, Halo 5 will remain the current king of FPS.

right... just like Halo ODST, Reach and 4 .... oh wait.

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@ultimateimp said:

Halo 5 will only die if, and when a better shooter comes out. IE when Halo 6 comes out. Until that time comes, Halo 5 will remain the current king of FPS.

HAHAHA.

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#46  Edited By UltimateImp
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@MBirdy88 said:
@ultimateimp said:

Halo 5 will only die if, and when a better shooter comes out. IE when Halo 6 comes out. Until that time comes, Halo 5 will remain the current king of FPS.

right... just like Halo ODST, Reach and 4 .... oh wait.

Totally different scenarios, little boy. Of course those games would've died, people moved on to the Xbox One and no further support for those games. Halo 5 will receive frequent updates from free new modes, like Forge to free new maps. Its multiplier, which is the swan song of the FPS genre, will get even better as time passes.

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@360ru13r said:

Who is the steam machine's target audience? If it is PC gamers they wouldn't buy because they have a PC that out performs it. Console folks aren't buying because they have the specific games on their system.

No one is going to buy them except for maybe a VERY small percentage of console gamers who want the extra boost in horsepower, but either don't have the knowledge of how to build a PC or just don't want to.

Add that to the fact that the majority of the general population wandering into a Best Buy or Wal-Mart have no fucking idea what "Valve" or "Steam" even are and you have a recipe for a pretty big flop.

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@Cloud_imperium

Lol Steam machines!!!:

Yeah,,, but still, lol consoles.

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@Juub1990 said:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gabe-newell-valves-steam-machines-outperform-conso/1100-6432041/

He continued: "So the same price point as today, except you get better performance and you're connected to everything you like about the PC and the Internet."

Aside from a handful of exclusives, consoles have nothing to offer over PC any more.

That's crap since the target price is around $349.

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@ultimateimp said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@ultimateimp said:

Halo 5 will only die if, and when a better shooter comes out. IE when Halo 6 comes out. Until that time comes, Halo 5 will remain the current king of FPS.

right... just like Halo ODST, Reach and 4 .... oh wait.

Totally different scenarios, little boy. Of course those games would've died, people moved on to the Xbox One and no further support for those games. Halo 5 will receive frequent updates from free new modes, like Forge to free new maps. Its multiplier, which is the swan song of the FPS genre, will get even better as time passes.

People move onto xbox one? oh I see... so that what 90 million Xbox 360 owners that abandoned the previous Halo games long before the XB1 don't exist now? right-o ... pathetic excuses... Halo's initial sales are fantastic, but the playerbases havn't held up ever Since CoD took over and the market casual darling.

Forge is not a free new mode, its a damned delayed feature... learn the difference for f*cks sake. Free New maps? great... glad to see it took them 8+ games to friggin learn from VALVE on how to monetise and support products. But still, we will see.... Halo is king of nothing anymore.