Game dev said BR is needed for gaming, lemmings said BR isn`t needed for gaming

my thing is, PS3 games cost the same as 360 games and yet hold more space on ps3 games.  We all know blu ray is expensive so why M$ still overcharges for games?  Why do fans continue to get milked by M$?xboxps2cube

The cost of a blank disc and the cost to develope a game are two completely different things.  Once people understand how to progam on the PS3 (like the PS2, it takes time for developers to learn the console) it will probably costs the same to develope on both consoles.  I don't think MS is overcharging for actual games because the games they are providing are pretty dam good.  What they are probably overcharging are accessories and downloadable crap from XBL.  Also the worst "overcharge" could be considered that POS hardware that breaks down quicker than Britney Spears in a Barber shop. 

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Which one is true? From the game dev itself who thinking ahead for future or from blind fanboy who don`t know anything but want everything related to Sony is flop?

Note : Kojima said BR is needed, Naughty Dog said BR is needed, Imsoniac said BR is needed. For now I never heard game dev said BR is not needed....

Vampyronight

Perhaps there's a reason for that? 

2 of them are owned by Sony, the other has exspressed interest in making games for the 360.

Which one is true? From the game dev itself who thinking ahead for future or from blind fanboy who don`t know anything but want everything related to Sony is flop?

Note : Kojima said BR is needed, Naughty Dog said BR is needed, Imsoniac said BR is needed. For now I never heard game dev said BR is not needed....

Heri012

Jaffe said he would take the BD drive out.... He is a Sony exclusive developer. 

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Which one is true? From the game dev itself who thinking ahead for future or from blind fanboy who don`t know anything but want everything related to Sony is flop?

Note : Kojima said BR is needed, Naughty Dog said BR is needed, Imsoniac said BR is needed. For now I never heard game dev said BR is not needed....

John-J-Rambo

Jaffe said he would take the BD drive out.... He is a Sony exclusive developer. 

yeah but that is a little deceptive.  His specifically would take it out because it put the retail price at a level he felt hurt the PS3 sales.....something everyone knows and agrees (even if fanboys claim it's a great deal, it's still too high).  He was not stating that it wasn't needed for future games, it all had to do with it's cost and effect on the future of PS3.

Can I just note here that the need for BR depends on the dev? For example Kojima uses lots of CGI in his games, so he needs lots of space for it. Naughty Dog and Insomniac are first party sony (if I'm not mistaken), so you shouldn't give to much value to their words.

I've said it before: PS3 needs blue ray, while it isn't necessary for xbox 360 because of the games coming out for it.

11Marcel

kojima does use any cgi,  all of the cutscenes are PRE-RENDERED, whuch is why they look just as good as the actual game 

We just started making games that are in HD.  Who knows where the technology will take us.  It takes a lot of data to bring quality to the table.  And compression isn't necessarily quality's friend.  Have you ever compared an uncompressed AVI video file with a highly compressed Mpeg-2 file made for DVD???  Its not even funny how the quality and file size differ.

Your analogy fails because you are making the assumption that data is lost in the compression process. DVD data compression is losless, so there is no quality difference what so ever.   Compression also allows more data to be read off the DVD in a quicker amount of time, thus reducing load times.

Cheers,

sts9kid