Game Trailers Bonus Round - MIcrosoft Losing First Party Developers Impressions?

[QUOTE="slick_gio"]

[QUOTE="Taz-Bone"]I guess you could also say MGS4 is coming to the 360? Man those guys analyse things backwards.jlh47

You have to understand cultural backgrounds as well as economic incentives. If a 3rd partygame can be ported from the 360 to the PS3 (or vice versa) then IT WILL HAPPEN. This of course can easily ba applied to non japansese developers because they will follow the money.

Japanese developers/publishers are a differant story. The work relationships in Japan are VASTLY differant from those in Western cultures. The work culture here in the US has no loyalty; people see each job as a stepping stone to a better job. In Japan people try to maintain businessrelationships and are loyal to the company that employs them. If Kojima had his way MGS4 would never appear on the 360. The playstation brand has done a lot for Kojima and his series so he'd like to keep his games on that system. However, the realities of rising development cost will probably make MGS4 appear on the 360 at one point or another.

As for the show, I didn't hear anything I disagreed with too much. It all seems spot on concerning my personal feelings on how things will play out. The 360 will NOT be getting the casual market from Nintendo. The Victoria's Secret analogy was perfect.

what about nintendo? the wii console was made to bring in casuals... leaving the hardcore gamers in the dust with all the crappy games on that system that people buy anyway.... just to make money. see i can play devil's advocate too. :)

[QUOTE="a_chalz"][QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="aznfool07"]MS won't let it happen.GazzaB

Will not let what happen? The lose of Bioware, the lost of Bungie, the lost of Bizarre?

what do you mean bioware? they never had bioware to begin with. plus bioware wants to work only on the 360. bunjie said it'll still make exclusive games for 360... project gotham is a microsoft exclusive.

bunjie???

oh and Bioware got bought by EA so ultimately what they "want to do" doesn't really matter

Of course it does. EA bought the Bioware name and its IP's. They cant force the staff to stay, so they had better treat them right.

you honestly think the staff would quit over porting it to ps3? especially when there's more money in it for them? i think not

[QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="a_chalz"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php

Statements like:

Gears of War 3 on PS3 and such had me a bit worried.

What does everything think about this episode?

EDIT: Not just GeoW,

Regarding losing Bizarre, Bungie, EA purchasing BioWare

Pacter: Likely everything will come out on both PS3 and 360

360 might get a 6 month windowfrom Bungie

a_chalz

are you saying the next bungie project will be on ps3?

lol

Although he never said anything specifically about Bungie or PS3, I take it this must be where he gets flamed for SPECULATING. Right?

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="slick_gio"]

[QUOTE="Taz-Bone"]I guess you could also say MGS4 is coming to the 360? Man those guys analyse things backwards.jlh47

You have to understand cultural backgrounds as well as economic incentives. If a 3rd partygame can be ported from the 360 to the PS3 (or vice versa) then IT WILL HAPPEN. This of course can easily ba applied to non japansese developers because they will follow the money.

Japanese developers/publishers are a differant story. The work relationships in Japan are VASTLY differant from those in Western cultures. The work culture here in the US has no loyalty; people see each job as a stepping stone to a better job. In Japan people try to maintain businessrelationships and are loyal to the company that employs them. If Kojima had his way MGS4 would never appear on the 360. The playstation brand has done a lot for Kojima and his series so he'd like to keep his games on that system. However, the realities of rising development cost will probably make MGS4 appear on the 360 at one point or another.

As for the show, I didn't hear anything I disagreed with too much. It all seems spot on concerning my personal feelings on how things will play out. The 360 will NOT be getting the casual market from Nintendo. The Victoria's Secret analogy was perfect.

what about nintendo? the wii console was made to bring in casuals... leaving the hardcore gamers in the dust with all the crappy games on that system that people buy anyway.... just to make money. see i can play devil's advocate too. :)

What about Nintendo? I fail to see how your comment in any way refutes what I just said concerning the loyalty of the Japanese work ethic and the stepping stone mentality here in the US. Despite that, I will respond to your comment.

Wii was developed to expand the gaming audience and bring in the casual market. This is true and because of this they have have made money like crazy. This does not refute anything I said.

You say Nintendo has "

the hardcore gamers in the dust with all the crappy games on that system that people buy anyway." I personally dislike the term "hardcore gamers". It was most likely something coined and made popular by the kiddies that see their purchase of M rated games as something that makes them cool, mature, and hardcore. I hate that phrase. I describe myself as an avid game player, but I do not own all the consoles/handhelds. My most recent console/handheld purchases include a GC, PS2, DS, and now the Wii (I have owned an NES, Genesis, GBC and GBA). You would probably describe me as a "hardcome gamer" so lets see what I own for the Wii, hmm?

Wii Sports (obviously)
CoD3
Wii Play
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Twilight Princess
SMG
TC: New Blood
RE: UC
Manhunt 2
Zack & Wiki
RE4 (for the GC, which is why I don't have it for the Wii)

So tell me, how has Nintendo left me in the dust? I'd like to point out that I own around 9 GC games and I think 13 PS2 games and that was for their lifetime. I see myself buying a few more GC and PS2 games in the future (I have used GF for 14 games so no need to buy those), but just look at how many games I have been COMPELLED to buy for the Wii in its first year instead of simply using GF for them.

So yeah, there is no Devil's Advocate in your comment.

alot of the things they said there are basically doom's day like, it would really really hurt MS if there biggest exclusives get the playstation 3 treatment, like for one thing..the fact that the first party development at microsoft sucks...they made 3 games and they all sucked, vampire rain being the lateest. believe it or not microsoft could be in trouble, or probably is, all im saying is that EA is the king of the multiplat and activision too.mlbslugger86

[QUOTE="jlh47"][QUOTE="Nero_Paladin"]

the only way this makes sense to me is that their bowing out of console race. This is becasue the whole point of the "microsoft gaming division" was to make money, which i beleieve they have still yet to do (they lost so much money on the original xbox) and paying $50m to rockstar (for episodic content) and buying up other exlusives means they will never make a profit.

rockydog1111

no they are in the green now. they've made a little over a million now... i'm not sure the exact number. it's mainly because of the accessories.

I thought the warranty extension set them waaaaay back. Are you sure they didnt make a million more than last quarter, but still losing money. IDK, so I am asking?

What about Nintendo? I fail to see how your comment in any way refutes what I just said concerning the loyalty of the Japanese work ethic and the stepping stone mentality here in the US. Despite that, I will respond to your comment.

Wii was developed to expand the gaming audience and bring in the casual market. This is true and because of this they have have made money like crazy. This does not refute anything I said.

You say Nintendo has "(Left) the hardcore gamers in the dust with all the crappy games on that system that people buy anyway." I personally dislike the term "hardcore gamers". It was most likely something coined and made popular by the kiddies that see their purchase of M rated games as something that makes them cool, mature, and hardcore. I hate that phrase. I describe myself as an avid game player, but I do not own all the consoles/handhelds. My most recent console/handheld purchases include a GC, PS2, DS, and now the Wii (I have owned an NES, Genesis, GBC and GBA). You would probably describe me as a "hardcome gamer" so lets see what I own for the Wii, hmm?

Wii Sports (obviously)
CoD3
Wii Play
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Twilight Princess
SMG
TC: New Blood
RE: UC
Manhunt 2
Zack & Wiki
RE4 (for the GC, which is why I don't have it for the Wii)

So tell me, how has Nintendo left me in the dust? I'd like to point out that I own around 9 GC games and I think 13 PS2 games and that was for their lifetime. I see myself buying a few more GC and PS2 games in the future (I have used GF for 14 games so no need to buy those), but just look at how many games I have been COMPELLED to buy for the Wii in its first year instead of simply using GF for them.

So yeah, there is no Devil's Advocate in your comment.

all i see there is twilight princes, smg and resident evil. other games are... yeah..

MS buying EA... I have to say yeah right. It will take multiple billions and not just 2 or 3. EA just bought bioware for close to a billion bucks... and bio-ware is only one of like dozens of developers EA bought. I don't even know if the government would allow that to happen.

MS is a very rich company, but they aren't rule-the-world-we-can-spend-5-billion-in-one-department-like-its-chump-change rich.

well it shows they dont know what they are talking about cos MS brought the rights for the Gow trilogy

and epic were never first party either

Thebettertwin

hmmm...i trust them better than i trust you...

i think MS knows what they are doing.

They know they can just pay for exclusives from 3rd parties and those can be thier 1st party games. If there is a game in development that they think will benefit their consol, they will just make an agreement to make it exlusive to 360 and windows. That's what I think they are doing, and it's smart. I wish they would get rid of rare as well now too let them make games for all plats, and the ones MS wants it can snatch up. it's smart.

MS won't let it happen.aznfool07

They may not have a choice. EA likes to spread teh love.

Again, you don't have to be a 20 years gamer to know EA is all about multi-plats. If you honestly think Mass Effect is not coming to the PS3 you are going to find yourself in shock when it does. The chips are on the table.King_of_Sorrow

it'll be a year from now though, but yeah.

[QUOTE="a_chalz"][QUOTE="JayPee89"][QUOTE="a_chalz"]

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php

Statements like:

Gears of War 3 on PS3 and such had me a bit worried.

What does everything think about this episode?

EDIT: Not just GeoW,

Regarding losing Bizarre, Bungie, EA purchasing BioWare

Pacter: Likely everything will come out on both PS3 and 360

360 might get a 6 month windowfrom Bungie

Truth_Seekr

are you saying the next bungie project will be on ps3?

lol

Although he never said anything specifically about Bungie or PS3, I take it this must be where he gets flamed for SPECULATING. Right?

no flaming... just wondering if thats what he is indirectly speculating

[QUOTE="Silvereign"][QUOTE="dlind70"][QUOTE="Silvereign"]

Exactly. UT3 came out on Ps3 before 360. It's all about userbase which MS is currently losing their footing in.

GazzaB

You think this decision was based on userbase...:lol:

I'll show you the reason:

Halo 3 COD4 TF2 ... ut3

Actually partly yeah. I mean we know Sony paid epic but 360 still doesn't have enough of a userbase so developers will make a game for PS3 PC and 360 because both are lacking in that department.

Its easier to port games from PS3 to 360.

In 08 I seriously believe Ps3 will increase its userbase dramatically making alot of 360's former exclusives multi. Look at Saints Row 2.

Its even easier to port a PC game to 360. And Saints Row was only 360 exclusive because the PS3 hadnt been released yet. Nothing to do with userbase.

If 360 had sold like it suppose to Saint's Row would have stayed exclusive. Instead the bad value and the red rings of doom held it back.