Games are too damn long. Need to be reduced to 3 hours max.

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#1 runbleduck
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People don't like to watch a long movie, and the same applies to games. This is made worse by the fact that people have to excert lots of effort to get through a game. This isn't the old days when good games are a rarity, so when one came along hardcore gamers savored the hell out of it. Nowadays good games are released on weekly basis, and as a result the market are saturated with too many good games that even the most diehard gamers will barely get to 30% of them. And with so many on the market, gamers simply don't have much time to put into a single game before the need to move on to another game. Valve released some stats regarding their games a while ago. Only 38% of half-life 2 episode 1 owners finished it. And even super short 3 hrs AAA games like Portal only have around 30% completion. Other short AAA games like Halo and Call of Duty have abysmal completion rates as well. Bioware recently stated that majority of Dragon Age owners didn't even play beyond an hour. With these facts in mind, developers need to stop wasting their time in building contents beyond the 2 hrs gameplay time that majority of their customer won't ever get to. It's a waste for the customers as well since they've spent so much on contents they won't even get to play. Instead of dragging a game to 4-7 hr long, developers could be using that same amount of development time to make a better, shorter game.

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#2 Luxen90
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This thread ought to be gold.
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#3 Nonstop-Madness
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hell no.
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People don't like to watch a long movie, and the same applies to games. This is made worse by the fact that people have to excert lots of effort to get through a game. This isn't the old days when good games are a rarity, so when one came along hardcore gamers savored the hell out of it. Nowadays good games are released on weekly basis, and as a result the market are saturated with too many good games that even the most diehard gamers will barely get to 30% of them. And with so many on the market, gamers simply don't have much time to put into a single game before the need to move on to another game. Valve released some stats regarding their games a while ago. Only 38% of half-life 2 episode 1 owners finished it. And even super short 3 hrs AAA games like Portal only have around 30% completion. Other short AAA games like Halo and Call of Duty have abysmal completion rates as well. Bioware recently stated that majority of Dragon Age owners didn't even play beyond an hour. With these facts in mind, developers need to stop wasting their time in building contents beyond the 2 hrs gameplay time that majority of their customer won't ever get to. It's a waste for the customers as well since they've spent so much on contents they won't even get to play. Instead of dragging a game to 4-7 hr long, developers could be using that same amount of development time to make a better, shorter game.

runbleduck

Stop smokin that HYDRO first off, secondly, "Good games come out on a weekly basis"? Seriously? Thats enough for me, move alone everyone.

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#5 DerpyMcDerp
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True dat, I hate games that are streched out and made repetitive for no reason other than to say "OMG ITS 12 HOURS LONG!!111111!!11"

This is one of the reasons why I loved Black Ops.

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#6 telefanatic
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Is this even a serious thread ? Oh my.

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#7 Badosh
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3 hours? maybe if they costed 20$ new.
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#8 coltsfan4ever
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Sounds like somebody has a backlog of games they cant get through.:P I dont think games should be reduced to that low amount of hours. Hell some people cry today about an 8 hour game being too "short". I think the value of games is fine today imo. Uncharted,Gow 3,Gears,etc... all have hit the sweet spot in the respectable length a game should be imo. And for the record I love long movies too.lol Inception was pretty long and its one of my fave movies.:P

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#9 felipebo
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I really really really can't put into words how much this is a f$#!@%* terrible idea. So let me just say: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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#10 OneSanitarium
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I actually wish most games were 50+ hours long, provided the developers can actually make it entertaining enough.

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#11 ShadowDeathX
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It is becoming a trend tho. There are a bunch of games that are pretty much min-games or short games. These are primarily on the Wii and other smaller units like XBLA/PSN/ and everywhere on the internet for PC Gamers. It would be nice to buy a short game for like 5 to 15 bucks depending on the content, similarly priced like a movie and I'm pretty sure their would be a market for them. Though, I still love my long games and will love them forever =D....
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#12 Riverwolf007
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who the hell has 3 hours these days?

better make them even shorter.

what i would like to do is just hand the guy at gamestop sixty bucks and have him dl some trophys and cheevos to your system shake your hand and tell you to get the hell out of the store.

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#13 hakanakumono
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Games need to be longer not shorter.

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#14 DroidPhysX
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My favorite games this gen are games like MGS4 & Heavy Rain...so no

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#15 -The-G-Man-
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there's actually a legitimate point buried in here. somewhere.

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#16 Lto_thaG
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Sometimes.Some games just feel like they drag on for too long.This makes me hate a game a lot.

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#17 TheAcountantMan
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They need to be more like MGS4.
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#18 Luxen90
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Games need better pacing, they don't need to be shorter.
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#19 Omni-Wrath
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True dat, I hate games that are streched out and made repetitive for no reason other than to say "OMG ITS 12 HOURS LONG!!111111!!11"

This is one of the reasons why I loved Black Ops.

DerpyMcDerp

Black Ops......is more repetitive than most games....

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#20 shaggyaz
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UM NO!!! Games need to be as long as possible not shorter,try playin a game like oblivion or fallout at three hours long,um yeah wouldnt be very fun now would it?

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#21 SRTtoZ
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Sounds like somebody has a backlog of games they cant get through.:P I dont think games should be reduced to that low amount of hours. Hell some people cry today about an 8 hour game being too "short". I think the value of games is fine today imo. Uncharted,Gow 3,Gears,etc... all have hit the sweet spot in the respectable length a game should be imo. And for the record I love long movies too.lol Inception was pretty long and its one of my fave movies.:P

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How bout LOTR trilogy extended edition? I watched them all in a row once...lol.

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#22 runbleduck
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hell no. Nonstop-Madness
deny it all you want but statistic do not lie: Majority of gamers simply do not play a game, single-player wise, beyond a few hours. People have short attention spans and with the next big game coming in around the corner, they simply don't have the time to focus on the game they bought the week before.
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#23 SRTtoZ
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there's actually a legitimate point buried in here. somewhere.

-The-G-Man-

You are right. There is a point in there, but he took it too extreme. 2-3 hours is ridiculous, but I do agree that some games need to cut out the JUNK and get right down to the point.

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#24 Mr_BillGates
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Not only do games need to be shorter, but come with less contents and have many DLCs available!

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#25 Evz0rz
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People don't like to watch a long movie, and the same applies to games. .

runbleduck
Might as well start off a terrible topic with a terrible connection right? People don't pay $60 to watch a movie
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#26 DerpyMcDerp
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[QUOTE="DerpyMcDerp"]

True dat, I hate games that are streched out and made repetitive for no reason other than to say "OMG ITS 12 HOURS LONG!!111111!!11"

This is one of the reasons why I loved Black Ops.

Omni-Wrath

Black Ops......is more repetitive than most games....

It may have been repetitive, but by the time I got bored of it, the game was already over. :)
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#27 OneSanitarium
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[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]hell no. runbleduck
deny it all you want but statistic do not lie: Majority of gamers simply do not play a game, single-player wise, beyond a few hours. People have short attention spans and with the next big game coming in around the corner, they simply don't have the time to focus on the game they bought the week before.

Yes, because statistics based on ONE developers games is proof enough for all games. I only play single player games, with a select few that are multiplayer. I hate having a game that doesn't last longer than 20 hours.

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[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]hell no. runbleduck
deny it all you want but statistic do not lie: Majority of gamers simply do not play a game, single-player wise, beyond a few hours. People have short attention spans and with the next big game coming in around the corner, they simply don't have the time to focus on the game they bought the week before.

They should find another hobby then, or just don't complete the game. Why should somebody like that be catered to... A lot of people buy books and never read or finish them. Maybe all books should be made to be one page so those with no attenttion span can finish them?
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#29 Renegade_Fury
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They need to be more like MGS4.TheAcountantMan
**** no. I'd quit gaming then.

TC, I see your point. The older you get, and the more responsibilities you have, the harder it is to fit in gaming. Back in the day, there were more games where I could finish in one sitting, or at least dedicate more time to playing each of them. Nowadays there are tons of games that take at least 6 hours to finish, let alone master them. I don't think games should be shorter, because I do love playing 40 hour + ones when i get time off, but I see where you're coming from.

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#30 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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Well if they costed $30 each then I'd be fine. But 7 hours is already short as it is, don't tell me you want to play multilayer after that 3 hours.
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#31 Dragerdeifrit
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sooo, u want games lenght to be reduced to like 3 hours just because u have the attention span of a 5 years old? therese so much fail on this topic... imagine if dragon age, final fantasy, mass effect etc, were 3 hours long... its unthinkable.. i guess TC dont know about games at all and thinks everything is CoD, Halo and Guitar Hero

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#32 Rage010101
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the only ppl i see agreeing are CoD junkies

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#33 SRTtoZ
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His "statistics" are flawed. Just take a look at WoW.

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#34 Shielder7
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If I beat a game in 3h I'd return it.

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#35 coltsfan4ever
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[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

Sounds like somebody has a backlog of games they cant get through.:P I dont think games should be reduced to that low amount of hours. Hell some people cry today about an 8 hour game being too "short". I think the value of games is fine today imo. Uncharted,Gow 3,Gears,etc... all have hit the sweet spot in the respectable length a game should be imo. And for the record I love long movies too.lol Inception was pretty long and its one of my fave movies.:P

SRTtoZ

How bout LOTR trilogy extended edition? I watched them all in a row once...lol.

Heh,I love the LOTR trilogy but I never watched all of them in a row at once.:shock:

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#36 Dragerdeifrit
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anyway, nobody is forcing you to buy games every week...

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#37 8-Bitterness
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oh rich kids.... this has got to be one of the worst ideas ive ever seen
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#38 SRTtoZ
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If I beat a game in 3h I'd return it.

Shielder7

If games were 3 hours long, noone would buy them except Blockbuster and Gamefly.

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#39 Captain__Tripps
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[QUOTE="Shielder7"]

If I beat a game in 3h I'd return it.

SRTtoZ

If games were 3 hours long, noone would buy them except Blockbuster and Gamefly.

There would obviously need to be a price correction... 3 hour game = $5, $10 max...
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#40 Luxen90
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The older you get, and the more responsibilities you have, the harder it is to fit in gaming. Back in the day, there were more games where I could finish in one sitting, or at least dedicate more time to playing each of them.

Renegade_Fury



Where did you get all of that out of what he said? Or is that your reason for agreeing? His reason seems more like, because most people don't finish their games, developers should make them shorter.

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#41 Renegade_Fury
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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

The older you get, and the more responsibilities you have, the harder it is to fit in gaming. Back in the day, there were more games where I could finish in one sitting, or at least dedicate more time to playing each of them.

Luxen90



Where did you get all of that out of what he said? Or is that your reason for agreeing? His reason seems more like, because most people don't finish their games, developers should make them shorter.

1. I didn't agree with him

2. He said people don't finish their games, and I'm giving my own reasoning for what can contribute to that aside from lack of attention span, and the abundance of good games on the market.

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#42 Sp4rtan_3
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I agree TC we should have 2 -3 hour games with monthly DLC to extend the story.
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#43 Luxen90
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1. I didn't agree with him

2. He said people don't finish their games, and I'm giving my own reasoning for what can contribute to that aside from lack of attention span, and the abundance of good games on the market.

Renegade_Fury



I didn't mean to type agreeing, but okay.

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#44 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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I cannot state how BAD of an idea that is. I don't pay$60 for a movie, do I?

Most people expect a little more value for the money

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#45 supa_badman
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There are a few opinions that are completely and totally wrong.

Your opinion is one of them, TC. You should be ashamed.

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#46 Vaasman
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I don't know about games but I'm sure it took you 3 hours to come to this brilliant conclusion.

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#47 Domobomb
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If the gameplay is great, why would you want it to stop?

Unlike movies, games aren't meant to played through in one sitting.

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#48 Mrmccormo
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In a way, I agree. Many of the old classics can be "beaten" in 2-5 hours in one sitting, but it took dozens of hours beforehand to actually be good enough to beat it. And for longer game genres like RPGs, why not make an episodic RPG? I mean, why not release an RPG with 10 "episodes" in it, each which can be beaten in three or four hours. The problem is that games these days are all about time invested. It's not about fun or difficulty any more. Back in the day, you would say "I'm on level 4" or "I just beat Kraid" or "I still have two more robot masters to beat and then I can go to Dr Wily's castle". Saying "I'm 5 hours in" meant nothing, because you could have spent those 5 hours dying on the first level over and over again. Today, games are easy. They're made so anyone and everyone can beat them. Consequently, there is no sense of accomplishment when you beat it. When asked how for you are, it's simply "I'm 5 hours in". No one cares what you're doing in a game because with enough time invested, anyone can beat any modern game.
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#49 caryslan2
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Long games have existed since the days of the NES. There are countless games on the NES that will take you hours to finish, and that's not even counting the RPGs like Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior I-IV, and the Zelda games that were far longer then anything else on the system.

Stop acting like long games is a trend that started this generation. Games longer then three hours have existed since the NES era, when developers began to move away from arcade ports and focused their attention on longer games to keep the attention of their customers.

Long games will always have a place in the market, so there is really no point in complaining about something that has existed since the NES.

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#50 killzonexbox
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System wars sure has gone downhill..