Games With Bad Gameplay Are Masterpieces Now? The Disease of Cinematic Design

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#1051 mysticstryk
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I wasn't aware that the shooting was the core aspect of the Uncharted series....

And all but one editor said they were fine with the shooting.

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#1052 Malta_1980
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I wasn't aware that the shooting was the core aspect of the Uncharted series....

And all but one editor said they were fine with the shooting.

mysticstryk

Shooting in Uncharted series are good, not on par with GEOW series but still good.. Having said that, ND can do a few more tweaks/improvements to the shooting mechanics should they work on UC4..

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#1054 finalfantasy94
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I always wanted to make a comment about how terrible UC2 shooting was, but I thought maybe I was imagining things. Seriously, the shooting mechanics in UC2 were TERRIBLE and I'm sure its no different in UC3.

There is something to be said about excellent presentation, but we are playing a video game and when the gameplay is in my mind so heavily flawed I don't understand how that can earn a perfect score. So, yes I agree with the sentiment of the original post.

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I cant agree at all. I find the shooter very well done.

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#1055 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

I wasn't aware that the shooting was the core aspect of the Uncharted series....

And all but one editor said they were fine with the shooting.

Malta_1980

Shooting in Uncharted series are good, not on par with GEOW series but still good.. Having said that, ND can do a few more tweaks/improvements to the shooting mechanics should they work on UC4..

What makes gears above it? Iv played bother series and I dont see it.

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#1056 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="mysticstryk"]

I wasn't aware that the shooting was the core aspect of the Uncharted series....

And all but one editor said they were fine with the shooting.

Malta_1980

Shooting in Uncharted series are good, not on par with GEOW series but still good.. Having said that, ND can do a few more tweaks/improvements to the shooting mechanics should they work on UC4..

What makes gears above it? Iv played both series and I dont see it.

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#1057 cainetao11
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For those that want their games to be "games" what is stopping you from buying and playing the types of games they prefer?
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#1058 cainetao11
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For those that want their games to be "games" what is stopping you from buying and playing the types of games they prefer?
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#1059 ccagracing
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[QUOTE="ccagracing"]I agree with the topic creator and understand the point he is trying to make. I have just finished Uncharted 3 and must say I was a little disapointed with the story and as said the actual gun play wasnt anything more than average. The whole introduction to the Desert section that you just walk through, doing nothing before you reach the abandoned outpost/village was just boring and really slowed the game down. This was nothing more than padding a game out or perhaps they didnt have time to finish that section.Having good characters in games doesnt hurt but when it becomes more interesting than the actual playing of the games or you start to watch the game as opposed to playing it, thenyou have a problem. Now I dont think Uncharted falls into this category, however for the next game I would like them to tighten up the gameplay as I suffered many fustrating and cheap deaths, reduce the amount of quicktime events and seriously overhaul the hand to hand combat.MuayThaiFTW
Case in point. Exactly what I was talking about with my post above And you'll notice how he talks about a part that was commonly shown in gameplay videos (before it was relesead) A lot of people watch gameplay videos and then speak like they have played the game. Anyway, Some random thoughts. I though the desert part was incredible. Not every second of the game needed action. You need a good pace. there was lots of action though and when it came it came hard action packed with awesome sauce. I really dug the pacing of the game. Gameplay was hell a fun too. And at no point did I ever feel like I was sitting there un-involved in the experience or not engaged and feeling like i was "only watching cut scenes and pressing QTE's" lol the gross exaggerations of the few on the internet. Its clear its b.s or that its said just to spite cows. So back to topic, I was totally engrossed in the experience from the first minute of the game until the last seconds of the game. People need to take a logical look at things. Because Uncharted scores universally so very highly that doesn't mean that now every cinematic game under the sun will be scored highly for having cinematics. Uncharted was praised highly because it did it(cinematic gaming,and what it set out to do) so damn near perfectly and struck a good balance of pacing, cinematics, and gameplay ...and the gameplay that was there,was solid enough. Its gameplay didnt only consist of shooting you know...and even then, its gun play is not the broken mess its made out to be on the internet lol When a game does things right it deserves to be praised, which is the case with Uncharted doing cinematic gaming right and having good gameplay Cinematic gaming is not a disease. Cinematic games that do it poorly and lacking the gameplay of Uncharted will receive criticisms, and as gamers we should be happy that there are so many different types of games to play. The hysteria shown by dark link, his cheer leaders, and people like the guy I quoted is ridiclous. Just calm down, think, relax, and actually enjoy the hobby you spend hours on the internet ******* about. If you don't like a type of game don't buy it. Simple as that

I own all three Uncharted games, here is a picture to keep you happy. I have valid made points in my post and just because you dont like them; means I do not own the game! They built great tension with the Airplane crashing, then we are slowed to pointless walking through a desert in little more than a glorified cutscene. I am notgoing to mention how this desert part is unrealistic as its just a game, however this first desert section should have been a cutscene and then get me back into the gameplay and keep the momentum going, after all he is a minimum of two days behind the convoy before the plane crashes and surely speed is off the essence.

I want more puzzles in the game, more platforming, some of the chase sequences are great. How good could Uncharted 3 be if it opened up the gameplay more to allow for exploring or finding your own path, creating individual battles when needed, yes keep some of the scripted action sequences as they are excellent but lets make them relevant to the story. Look at the cinematic MGS4, cutscenes that are taking 30+ minutesto watch and then happen after only a few minutes of gameplay, this is the way I dont want games to go.I want to play the game and as said if you get to a point with a game where your characters are more interesting than the gameplay, you are in trouble. Uncharted is "not" at this point but I can see how some may find the cheap deaths from falls fustrating. I do not think Uncharted 3 is bad, far from it but it is inferior to Uncharted 2 and I honestly think part of that desert sequence is missing.

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#1061 DarkLink77
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Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

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#1062 mitu123
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

I fully agree with the TC.

It will be great when we don't have to go through all the trouble actually "playing" our games.I could definitely use a spare hand for beer or snack with one hand occasionally pushing a button here and there when needed. And I hope they remove the "game over" function from our movies / games too, because in movies the hero never dies.

Games are becoming more and more like movies and crappy movies at that. I think the future of gaming should improve the interaction but we seem to go the wrong way. With all the extra power from new hardware being put to use at creating cinematics and linear one way games. This is a load of crap if you ask me.

The UC games represent what I don't want to see happening to gaming. If those games are what the future holds I will switch to reading books or watching movies (good movies).

fireballonfire

No UC represents another side of the gaming world and im pretty sure that side is never going away. Sorta like how your mario type games are never going away. I dont know why they cant live side by side. Why must we try to pit them against each other in a death battle so there can be only one.

"There can be only one".

Highlander reference for the win.:D

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#1063 mitu123
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

I fully agree with the TC.

It will be great when we don't have to go through all the trouble actually "playing" our games.I could definitely use a spare hand for beer or snack with one hand occasionally pushing a button here and there when needed. And I hope they remove the "game over" function from our movies / games too, because in movies the hero never dies.

Games are becoming more and more like movies and crappy movies at that. I think the future of gaming should improve the interaction but we seem to go the wrong way. With all the extra power from new hardware being put to use at creating cinematics and linear one way games. This is a load of crap if you ask me.

The UC games represent what I don't want to see happening to gaming. If those games are what the future holds I will switch to reading books or watching movies (good movies).

fireballonfire

No UC represents another side of the gaming world and im pretty sure that side is never going away. Sorta like how your mario type games are never going away. I dont know why they cant live side by side. Why must we try to pit them against each other in a death battle so there can be only one.

"There can be only one".

Highlander reference for the win.:D

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#1064 mitu123
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

I fully agree with the TC.

It will be great when we don't have to go through all the trouble actually "playing" our games.I could definitely use a spare hand for beer or snack with one hand occasionally pushing a button here and there when needed. And I hope they remove the "game over" function from our movies / games too, because in movies the hero never dies.

Games are becoming more and more like movies and crappy movies at that. I think the future of gaming should improve the interaction but we seem to go the wrong way. With all the extra power from new hardware being put to use at creating cinematics and linear one way games. This is a load of crap if you ask me.

The UC games represent what I don't want to see happening to gaming. If those games are what the future holds I will switch to reading books or watching movies (good movies).

fireballonfire

No UC represents another side of the gaming world and im pretty sure that side is never going away. Sorta like how your mario type games are never going away. I dont know why they cant live side by side. Why must we try to pit them against each other in a death battle so there can be only one.

"There can be only one".

Highlander reference for the win.:D

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#1065 AmayaPapaya
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I like Uncharteed 3 cause it's fun, not cause it's "cinematic."

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#1066 dr-professional
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I honestly hope that the Wii U is successful enough that Nintendo's styIe of game making becomes industry wide again. I've had enough of these interactive movies, I want games, God damn it.charizard1605
Because only nintendo can make games without cinmatics. Didn't Atari Publish The Witcher 2?
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#1067 meetroid8
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I honestly hope that the Wii U is successful enough that Nintendo's styIe of game making becomes industry wide again. I've had enough of these interactive movies, I want games, God damn it.charizard1605
Nintendo makes linear scripted games too. :?
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#1068 cainetao11
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Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

DarkLink77
discussion and blasting others preferred type of games aren't the same thing.
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#1069 mitu123
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So, are we ok with this?

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#1070 AzatiS
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Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

DarkLink77

Because the answer of the question ""Will you choose Zelda SS as it is now for wii or Zelda SS PC version with exactly same level design characters story etc but with x100 better graphics and cutscenes/cinematics etc..."" is pretty obvious and makes your thread instant boring. ( was an example , wii fans dont go defensive mode ).

Cinematics are there to keep story goin ( like oldschool wall of texts do the same thing ) , bring hype , introduce a boss or 2 , bring emotions in front etc etc... You dont like it?Fine.... But if you want to convince us to not like cinematics or you want your opinion have some value...try harder. Im out. Peace

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#1071 Martin_G_N
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It's not all games that prioritize the movie like feel. The MGS games have been doing it since MGS 1, and the Uncharted series has taken it even further by making it more playable during scenes that would have been a cutscene in the old days.

We have to remember that games like this will improve alot in the future, and the fact that the biggest flaw is the shooting is quite impressive.

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#1072 edo-tensei
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Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

DarkLink77

But that's exactly your moto in sw dude, really now?

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#1073 TrapJak
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Wh- Wh- Why is this topic still going on!? Why!? :shock:

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#1074 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

edo-tensei

But that's exactly your moto in sw dude, really now?

Um... what? I don't hide behind that stuff.
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#1075 mmmwksil
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Wh- Wh- Why is this topic still going on!? Why!? :shock:

TrapJak

DarkLink made a good thread, that's why. :P

Let the ignorance continue~!

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#1076 Goyoshi12
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Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

DarkLink77

Then make a topic not opinion based. Problem Solved. :)

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#1077 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

Wh- Wh- Why is this topic still going on!? Why!? :shock:

mmmwksil

DarkLink made a good thread, that's why. :P

Let the ignorance continue~!

This is a very good thread. A very good one. Flawed in some aspects, but great overall.
I'm surprised that SW people aren't truly getting the message yet.

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I don't hide behind that stuff.DarkLink77
And even if you did, you wouldn't have to anymore. Tell sh!t like it is. Call the bull when you see it.
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#1079 mmmwksil
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]I don't hide behind that stuff.foxhound_fox
And even if you did, you wouldn't have to anymore. Tell sh!t like it is. Call the bull when you see it.

Foxhound, are you enjoying the freedom of the new TOU? :o

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#1080 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

Wh- Wh- Why is this topic still going on!? Why!? :shock:

TrapJak

DarkLink made a good thread, that's why. :P

Let the ignorance continue~!

This is a very good thread. A very good one. Flawed in some aspects, but great overall.
I'm surprised that SW people aren't truly getting the message yet.

How is it flawed? Tell me. :o [spoiler] Via PM, obviously. We can't reveal these things to the world. #illuminati [/spoiler]

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#1081 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]I don't hide behind that stuff.foxhound_fox
And even if you did, you wouldn't have to anymore. Tell sh!t like it is. Call the bull when you see it.

Exactly. It was easy to do before, but goddamn if it ain't simple now.
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#1082 themagicbum9720
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i don't wanna play movies with quick time events.
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#1083 finalfantasy94
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Well, it seems the "Hey, that's just like, your opinion, man" brigade is out in full force today. Why bother having a discussion when you can just spit that line out over and over and over? No wonder System Wars is so boring now.

DarkLink77

well this whole thing is opinoin based. Its not factual. Its ether people agree with you or not.

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#1084 TrapJak
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[QUOTE="TrapJak"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

DarkLink made a good thread, that's why. :P

Let the ignorance continue~!

DarkLink77

This is a very good thread. A very good one. Flawed in some aspects, but great overall.
I'm surprised that SW people aren't truly getting the message yet.

How is it flawed? Tell me. :o

I would, but my PM box is glitched. Can't enter it. That's why I can't respond to yours. So I'll keep these mistakes hidden .:P

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#1085 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]This is a very good thread. A very good one. Flawed in some aspects, but great overall.
I'm surprised that SW people aren't truly getting the message yet.

TrapJak

How is it flawed? Tell me. :o

I would, but my PM box is glitched. Can't enter it. That's why I can't respond to yours. So I'll keep these mistakes hidden .:P

DAMN YOU GLITCHSPOT!!!!!! :evil:

But seriously, get that sh*t fixed.

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#1086 MuayThaiFTW
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i don't wanna play movies with quick time events.themagicbum9720
Then stop playing Gears ;)
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#1087 CaveJohnson1
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Cows would burn everything to ground if their most hyped exclusive wasn't praised by reviewers.

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Based on the zelda review reaction, if sheep weren't all 12 and thus lack the ability, they would have already done it.

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#1088 foxhound_fox
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well this whole thing is opinoin based. Its not factual. Its ether people agree with you or not.finalfantasy94
There are two kinds of opinions. 1) The "well-reasoned" opinion: Based on something measurable or verifiable and reasonable enough to respect. 2) The "wrong" opinion: Something someone resorts to when they know they are wrong, but want to save face by not admitting it. One agrees/disagrees with the first type. The second type is just something that should be collectively laughed at.
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#1089 NYrockinlegend
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I'm not sure in the case of Uncharted 3, but I felt Uncharted 2 overall felt like a good mix between cinematic sequences and great gameplay. That is, I'm crediting the gameplay more towards the combat as the platforming was underwhelming and too automatic. Games can be considered more than just games today. I generally view them as sources of entertainment. I play games for what they are, not what they could be. I judge a game by the overall package- gameplay, cinematics, characters, story, and all. However, I do agree with the noticeable decline in quality of gameplay in games this generation. In most games, platforming elements especially feel too watered down. And because the industry continues to praise games like COD despite that these games don't move forward with advancing gameplay, shooting elements aren't expanded upon either. It seems that newer technology used in gaming hasnt really expanded gameplay much...its a shame too because there's a lot that could be made possible through the use of advanced technology.