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#51 ReverseCycology
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[QUOTE="insanejedi"]Okay, so if Guy Cocker is not credible, than that review of Little Big Planet is out the window Cows. You can't have it both ways. Either accept what he says or reject it.Jrfanfreak88

Awesome, lets get in a better reviewer and give LBP a 9.5 ;)

Look at your sig: MGS4 GS score:10 All exclusive 360 games' scores: less than 10.

Uh oh lemme cry like a baby too and call GameSpot bias and question their credibility.

 

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#52 yoyo462001
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GS lost its cred when Jeff,ryan,brad,vinny,alex,greg,rich and jason O left..Thats why i go to giantbomb for my reviews.
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#53 ninjaxams
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From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.LarkAnderson

and??? were supposed to take your word for it? look, i don't like to pull the biased card, i think most ppl in this industry are adult enough to comprehend the dif between a good or bad game dispite what system its on. i'll tell you what though, there are a few ps3 exclusives that were rated horribly on this site, far less than the media average. so yeah, you really only have yourselves to blame for ppl calling bs on your entire site. take into account the jeff thing and the laughable state of these forums and seriously, less and less ppl are taking this site seriously. again, blame yourselves, not the so-caled ingorant masses.

btw, arae you guys going to lock this thread too???

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#54 EPaul
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The guy just made a mistake give him a break... geez...
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#55 ninjaxams
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GS lost its cred when Jeff,ryan,brad,vinny,alex,greg,rich and jason O left..Thats why i go to giantbomb for my reviews. yoyo462001
thing is, they don't care. as long as theres traffic here, their making money from all their add space...
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#56 Bluestorm-Kalas
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No offense, but NO ONE here should be complaining about Gamespot's credibility, becasue they let you read and watch their previews/reviews (besides some special ones available to only paying members) for FREE. Beggars should NOT be choosers.
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#57 ninjaxams
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The guy just made a mistake give him a break... geez...EPaul
maybe, maybe not, only they know for sure. one things certain however, this site has become a joke...
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#58 KiddSushi
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I'm not going to say GameSpot isn't credible because of this, but they're not helping themselves by publishing a story that looks like it was written by someone who didn't play the game.
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#59 Englandfc1966
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lol it was all lost when the guy in my sig left solidgamer

so true

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#60 nitekids2004
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No offense, but NO ONE here should be complaining about Gamespot's credibility, becasue they let you read and watch their previews/reviews (besides some special ones available to only paying members) for FREE. Beggars should NOT be choosers.Bluestorm-Kalas


By your logic, every news in yahoo, tv, websites, etc. can be misleading and wrong (factually at that!) because their service is free?

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#61 ReaperV7
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The guy just made a mistake give him a break... geez...EPaul

ya by saying " but the multiplayer maps don't really give the engine much chance to show off" . and how he said there was no destructible structures in the multiplayer ......yep.. :roll: (BTW i think he edited the "no destructible structures on multplayer" out of the article. ) 

 

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#62 fatzebra
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From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.LarkAnderson

 

Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point. 

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

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#63 dalavos
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Wow, I can't belive this guy made such a big deal about 1 mistake. So people complain about overly positive previews, and some one comes along and tries to ammend for that. The only problem is, he makes a slight mistake, and has to re-edit (Stealthily apparently :rolls:. Yes, because I wouldn't be questioning his credibility even more if he had left it in.). Now someone that translates this to, "OMGZ GAMESPOT CREDIBILITY FAIL!". Seriously, that dosn't add up. A minor error in the writing of a preview hardly destroys your credibility, Mr. Hyperbole. This is just an excuse to jump on the Gamespot hate band wagon. WasntAvailable

sorry but these people are paid to be professionals and not invent absurd things about a game ,because what he did can fasely influence many people that are interested in a product and these people can make decisions to buy that product or not because they believe in the credibility of the site and i know this is only a preview for a game but if every site commit the same mistakes then we would not have reliable information about a game that we are interested in purchasing.I do not know the reason for that mistake but or he simply does not play the game or he love his 360 or there's money involved underneath the table.Because in this war microsoft VS sony there are many interests to get the best slice of the market and these information from these sites such as reviews and previews affects many people and all the ads from the games we see in the sites are often very very well paid and sometimes that money may influence some reviews if you know what i mean.

But obviously, these things do not happen only on this site, but for you it's only a simple error

sorry for my bad english

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#64 ninjaxams
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[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]

From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.fatzebra

Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point.

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

careful, your bound to get mod'd...
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 and??? were supposed to take your word for it? look, i don't like to pull the biased card, i think most ppl in this industry are adult enough to comprehend the dif between a good or bad game dispite what system its on. i'll tell you what though, there are a few ps3 exclusives that were rated horribly on this site, far less than the media average. so yeah, you really only have yourselves to blame for ppl calling bs on your entire site. take into account the jeff thing and the laughable state of these forums and seriously, less and less ppl are taking this site seriously. again, blame yourselves, not the so-caled ingorant masses.

btw, arae you guys going to lock this thread too???ninjaxams

Fair enough, don't take my word for it, but if you're taking that blog's word (which I've never heard of, consequently) that the quote even existed in the first place you're just being hypocritical. For what it's worth, edit logs only show who edited a story and at what time, not the actual content changed, so without doing any Internet Matlockery for a cached version of the page even I don't know that quote wasn't made up. All I do know is that five hours after posting, Guy made a change to the story.

At any rate, I'm willing to bet that my definition of a horrible rating is significantly different than yours. We don't use a 7-10 rating scale, and even a game like Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction that got the "horrible" score of 7.5 is considered good by our system.

And no, I'm not going to lock this thread but it's not my decision. The mods do their own thing. 

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#66 dr_jashugan
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[QUOTE="bez2083"]Resident Evil 5 has horrible textures and lame gameplay and is the biggest snoozefest of 2009. Can I work for GameSpot now?iRock_OBAMA
Hired.

:lol: I bet bez2083 is such a pro that he can do a review with his eyes closed. :lol:
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#67 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="fatzebra"][QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]

 

ninjaxams

Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point.

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

careful, your bound to get mod'd...

He can't mod me for that. I did no insult.

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#68 nitekids2004
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From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.LarkAnderson

Personally, the most likely explanations are: the reviewer never played the game or he played it in only a short period of time.

Passing an earlier draft is not really logical (but possible) considering the reviewer only edited the parts where he made a factual mistake.

I understand why you have to give a bias answer though.

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#69 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]

From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.ninjaxams

and??? were supposed to take your word for it? look, i don't like to pull the biased card, i think most ppl in this industry are adult enough to comprehend the dif between a good or bad game dispite what system its on. i'll tell you what though, there are a few ps3 exclusives that were rated horribly on this site, far less than the media average. so yeah, you really only have yourselves to blame for ppl calling bs on your entire site. take into account the jeff thing and the laughable state of these forums and seriously, less and less ppl are taking this site seriously. again, blame yourselves, not the so-caled ingorant masses.

btw, arae you guys going to lock this thread too???

You have got to be kidding me. :roll:

Yes, you are supposed to take his word for it. There is nothing anyone here can say that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was anything more than a simple mistake. All any of us, as well as the people on that site, can do is speculate, one way or another. I find it ridiculous that people are going to such lengths to call this site out on something as small as this. Wow.

And here we go again with the "GameSpot rates PS3 exclusives lower! BIAS!" talk again. So I'm going to call you guys on that. Aside from Ratchet and Clank Future, what PS3 exclusives have been rated "horribly" and far less than the media average? 

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#70 ninjaxams
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[QUOTE="ninjaxams"][QUOTE="fatzebra"]

Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point.

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

fatzebra

careful, your bound to get mod'd...

He can't mod me for that. I did no insult.

lol you know as well as i they don't need a valid reason :P

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#71 JLF1
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Meh, it was only a small mistake.

It's not like he made up lies or anything, it's just a preview.
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#72 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="fatzebra"][QUOTE="ninjaxams"] careful, your bound to get mod'd... ninjaxams

 

He can't mod me for that. I did no insult.

lol you know as well as i they don't need a valid reason :P

 

True, I'm still waiting for this in my inbox.

Point Deduction!

Reason for moderation: Breathing.

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This could be a mistake... a pretty HUGE mistake at that. But we should at least hope he follows through with future reviews and previews in a professional manner.TREAL_Since

Yeah, maybe he can actually play the game next time...

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Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point. 

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

fatzebra

Your example is absolutely no different from the mistake Guy made. It's a factual error, and so how is one completely fine and the other not? He's not bashing on the game--he's reporting on the contents of the beta. And if there is not any destructable terrain or drivable vehicles it's most definately worth noting.

He made a mistake about there not being destructable terrain, and so he corrected this mistake. Again, this was corrected five hours after the original posting of the story. This is what you're obviously not understanding.

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#75 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]This could be a mistake... a pretty HUGE mistake at that. But we should at least hope he follows through with future reviews and previews in a professional manner.True-Legend86

 

Yeah, maybe he can actually play the game next time...

 

 

WOAH WOAH WOAH!! Let's not push our luck here bro. We'll be lucky if they know what they're reviewing.

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[QUOTE="fatzebra"]

Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point. 

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

LarkAnderson

Your example is absolutely no different from the mistake Guy made. It's a factual error, and so how is one completely fine and the other not? He's not bashing on the game--he's reporting on the contents of the beta. And if there is not any destructable terrain or drivable vehicles it's most definately worth noting.

He made a mistake about there not being destructable terrain, and so he corrected this mistake. Again, this was corrected five hours after the original posting of the story. This is what you're obviously not understanding.

 

If that is true, show me where no no vehicles line is in oh I don't know.... CoD4, TF2, Socom, Rainbow 6:V2... the list goes on and on and on.

Also, if he played the game sufficently, why was that mistake made to begin with? On top of that, it is a beta, for all he knows they might have vehicles in the final. Heres my point.

If you are going to report on a game, report on the content that is THERE, not what is missing.

If you use that logic, start docking nascar for no weaponry, and GeoW 2 for no nascars. Start docking MGS4 for no sport events, and start docking all sprts games for missing other sports game.

That logic is stupid, I'm just being blunt.

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[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]I can safely say that most people are here for the forums, not the reviews or news. Hexagon_777

GameSpot does reviews and supplies news? :o 

yea but like the rest of this gen its all a bit blah every now and then they are spot on but they would have better chance of doing a good review if they rolled dice to base the score on

 edit but thats my taste last gen i agreed with a lot of their reviews this gen one of the best games FE got tossed out and games like .... well let me not go there so i will just say for my taste they under rate a lot and over rate almost as much

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#78 dr_jashugan
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[QUOTE="True-Legend86"]

[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]This could be a mistake... a pretty HUGE mistake at that. But we should at least hope he follows through with future reviews and previews in a professional manner.fatzebra

Yeah, maybe he can actually play the game next time...

WOAH WOAH WOAH!! Let's not push our luck here bro. We'll be lucky if they know what they're reviewing.

Maybe he played the game but didn't use his weapon. :roll:
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From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.LarkAnderson

 

well thats good. This is ridiculous, people are so eager to hate on others these days. He made a mistake guys, let it go.

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#80 ReverseCycology
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I know Guy made a mistake about the "destructible terrain" part  because how could he say that when the forums were filled by these Killzone 2 destructible topics.  How could he had missed this?  Easy it was an error.

 

 

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#81 TOOLFRENZY
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I hope he isn't the one reviewing the game when it comes out :(
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#82 jonnyt61
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To all those acting as if the Killzone thing was a slip up...

I'm sorry... But you call stating that a game, in an expert, paid for preview, does not contain something which it CLEARLY has, is a slip up?

There's two options. He purposefully stated what he did, for whatever reasons. Or, he didn't do the job he's paid to do, and give a a fair and accurate preview.

The fact that he went back, -changed- the wording, without so much as an update tag at the bottom, shows a lot about his work ethics.

It's no slip up in my eyes. There's either an incompetent worker, or someone who's too damn biased to claim the job.

Gamespot really needs to sort out it's review team. They're really getting way too much attention for things they've done in regards to reviews.

Too much vareity, the firing of Jeff, and now Killzone 2. They have a lot to build back up, and in some ways, I don't think it's even possible for them to do that anymore.

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#84 larkanderson
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If that is true, show me where no no vehicles line is in oh I don't know.... CoD4, TF2, Socom, Rainbow 6:V2... the list goes on and on and on.

Also, if he played the game sufficently, why was that mistake made to begin with? On top of that, it is a beta, for all he knows they might have vehicles in the final. Heres my point.

If you are going to report on a game, report on the content that is THERE, not what is missing.

If you use that logic, start docking nascar for no weaponry, and GeoW 2 for no nascars. Start docking MGS4 for no sport events, and start docking all sprts games for missing other sports game.

That logic is stupid, I'm just being blunt.fatzebra

As you so enjoy bringing up, this is a beta, and we wrote a preview on it. This means that it's completely obvious, or it should be, that content can and most likely will change or be added/subtracted from the final product. For example, I'm sure that vehicles will be seen in the actual retail release. That said, how is reporting on what is and is not in a beta a bad thing? And why do we have to talk about vehicles in other previews? It's entirely reasonable to mention that there are not vehicles in a beta of Killzone 2, or any other FPS game these days.

I'm sorry that you read the line in question and can only burn red with rage at an apparently slight. Especially one that doesn't even negatively comment on the game in any way.

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#85 ChrnoTrigger
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From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.LarkAnderson

 

The mistake he made was very BIG. The minute you step into Killzone 2's beta, one of the FIRST things you notice is the amount of destructability the environments have. And his comment on the game being static made no sense whatsoever.

Nobody's blowing anything out of proportion, except the comment of the site being called "LemmingSpot",  most of the things which the users are complaining about are true.

 

 

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#86 ronniepage588
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That is just one quote, and we can't even see if it's true.

And is he really comparing it to Crysis?

EuroMafia

yeah, but he didn't go too far he only compared particular technologies that almost no other game besides crysis uses and so does killzone 2, before he compared anything he said crysis puts killzone 2 to shame 

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#87 ronniepage588
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GS lost its cred when Jeff,ryan,brad,vinny,alex,greg,rich and jason O left..Thats why i go to giantbomb for my reviews. yoyo462001

hell yeah ive been a member there since day one and chat with jeff on the forums all the time, its a much much better site if youre looking for honesty.  

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#88 ReverseCycology
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Hold on wait a minute, did Killzone 2 get reviewed already?

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#89 AlphaGamer469
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This sites cred went down when they gave MGS4 a 10....
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#90 EVOLV3
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[QUOTE="fatzebra"]

Ok... that's a cute quote, but here is what you're obviously not understanding.

If mr. Cocker had said something like " The MP will feature 4 weapons..." When there were actually 7 or 10 or 15, whatever, then that would be fine; a simple data mistake is comletely fine.

However, bashing a game under false pretenses and on top of that it being a BETA, is just too much. Either A) He wrote it on purpose and got caught or B) He didn't play it enough and should've just not wrote the article to begin with. That is our point. 

I'm not here to kill your credibility, you guys did that to yourselves when Jeff was fired.

LarkAnderson

Your example is absolutely no different from the mistake Guy made. It's a factual error, and so how is one completely fine and the other not? He's not bashing on the game--he's reporting on the contents of the beta. And if there is not any destructable terrain or drivable vehicles it's most definately worth noting.

He made a mistake about there not being destructable terrain, and so he corrected this mistake. Again, this was corrected five hours after the original posting of the story. This is what you're obviously not understanding.



I dont understand how you can make a mistake like that if you played the Beta. There are things always breaking and blowing up, throwing a simple nade at something would of shown him that it has destructible environments. So either he didnt play it, or if he did play it then he didnt play much at all.
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#91 larkanderson
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The mistake he made was very BIG. The minute you step into Killzone 2's beta, one of the FIRST things you notice is the amount of destructability the environments have. And his comment on the game being static made no sense whatsoever.

Nobody's blowing anything out of proportion, except the comment of the site being called "LemmingSpot",  most of the things which the users are complaining about are true.ChrnoTrigger

Yeah, actually you are blowing it out of proportion. I don't understand how taking a single, honest mistake that was fixed almost immediately and talking about how it's the end of GameSpot's credibility can be anything but blowing it out of proportion.

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#92 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="fatzebra"]If that is true, show me where no no vehicles line is in oh I don't know.... CoD4, TF2, Socom, Rainbow 6:V2... the list goes on and on and on.

Also, if he played the game sufficently, why was that mistake made to begin with? On top of that, it is a beta, for all he knows they might have vehicles in the final. Heres my point.

If you are going to report on a game, report on the content that is THERE, not what is missing.

If you use that logic, start docking nascar for no weaponry, and GeoW 2 for no nascars. Start docking MGS4 for no sport events, and start docking all sprts games for missing other sports game.

That logic is stupid, I'm just being blunt.LarkAnderson

As you so enjoy bringing up, this is a beta, and we wrote a preview on it. This means that it's completely obvious, or it should be, that content can and most likely will change or be added/subtracted from the final product. For example, I'm sure that vehicles will be seen in the actual retail release. That said, how is reporting on what is and is not in a beta a bad thing? And why do we have to talk about vehicles in other previews? It's entirely reasonable to mention that there are not vehicles in a beta of Killzone 2, or any other FPS game these days.

I'm sorry that you read the line in question and can only burn red with rage at an apparently slight. Especially one that doesn't even negatively comment on the game in any way.

Ok then, if that is your stand then I can not argue. However, you now need to go and change every recent FPS preview and review and mention every element it does not have. Until then, you needn't speak otherwise.  

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#93 enygma500
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From the "LemmingSpot Confirmed" topic that was apparently closed:

[QUOTE="LarkAnderson"]I love how people take such little things and blow them out of proportion in such amazing ways. I can't speak for Guy regarding his Killzone 2 preview specifically but there are any number of possible explanations for this, from an honest mistake to an error in an earlier draft of his preview that made it into the final product because he didn't actually post this article himself (much more likely). Looking at edit logs of this specific story, it's clear that the mistake was caught early--a mere five hours after originally posting--and corrected.LarkAnderson

so what you're saying is he had his initial draft written out before even playing the beta. sorry there really is no recovering from this. the fact remains that he either falsly claimed to play a game for his preview OR he just flat out lied about the game in order to kill the hype for the game. either way this this is no way for a professional reviewer to be acting. and a gaming site as big as GS should be posting a full out rebuttal of his statements, not mearly trying to cover it up. also, it took 5 hours to catch this mistake???thats months in internet time. especially for a game as hyped as KZ2. ANY news showing up about this game will be read by thousands MINUTES after posting. sheesh i woulda thaught a site like this would have some people reading final drafts to ensure the quality of the review. make sure everything that should be mentioned is.

now as for the lemmings in this thread. personally i dont look at this as proof that GS is biased. it just ahppened to be a ps3 game the goofed up on. their credability has been crap for a while now. but comming in here and saying that all the AAA's and AAAA's dont count any more if cows acknowledge this article is retarded. because in a different thread you going to go on about GS being the only scores that count. well actually lately all the lemming have been saying that only GR should count, but it wasn't that way when uncharted, resistance and RC:TOD came out. you fanboys crack me up

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#94 larkanderson
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I dont understand how you can make a mistake like that if you played the Beta. There are things always breaking and blowing up, throwing a simple nade at something would of shown him that it has destructible environments. So either he didnt play it, or if he did play it then he didnt play much at all.EVOLV3

I haven't played the beta so I can't attest to how destructable the environments are, and I'm not Guy Cocker so I can't talk about why that quote made it into the live version of the story. All I can say is that it was corrected almost immediately after it went up by someone who lives 10 timezones ahead of us.

Why then, is this such a big deal? 

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#95 ronniepage588
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I dont understand how you can make a mistake like that if you played the Beta. There are things always breaking and blowing up, throwing a simple nade at something would of shown him that it has destructible environments. So either he didnt play it, or if he did play it then he didnt play much at all.LarkAnderson

I haven't played the beta so I can't attest to how destructable the environments are, and I'm not Guy Cocker so I can't talk about why that quote made it into the live version of the story. All I can say is that it was corrected almost immediately after it went up by someone who lives 10 timezones ahead of us.

Why then, is this such a big deal? 

lol thats a good point about the time zones. but the fact remains, anyone who has played this game for a few minutes or seen the dozens of leaked footage on youtube would know about all of the thing he said the game lacked.  

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#96 Silverbond
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Why don't we just have Guy clear this up?
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#97 RuinedMachine
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Mistake or not, it certainly isn't professional.
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#98 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I dont understand how you can make a mistake like that if you played the Beta. There are things always breaking and blowing up, throwing a simple nade at something would of shown him that it has destructible environments. So either he didnt play it, or if he did play it then he didnt play much at all.LarkAnderson

I haven't played the beta so I can't attest to how destructable the environments are, and I'm not Guy Cocker so I can't talk about why that quote made it into the live version of the story. All I can say is that it was corrected almost immediately after it went up by someone who lives 10 timezones ahead of us.

Why then, is this such a big deal? 

read my last post. that is why it's a big deal.

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#99 ZoomZoom2490
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the only explanation he can give is that he somehow played KZ1 for ps2 by mistake,,,,,oh well...
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#100 jonnyt61
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I dont understand how you can make a mistake like that if you played the Beta. There are things always breaking and blowing up, throwing a simple nade at something would of shown him that it has destructible environments. So either he didnt play it, or if he did play it then he didnt play much at all.LarkAnderson

I haven't played the beta so I can't attest to how destructable the environments are, and I'm not Guy Cocker so I can't talk about why that quote made it into the live version of the story. All I can say is that it was corrected almost immediately after it went up by someone who lives 10 timezones ahead of us.

Why then, is this such a big deal? 

I can understand your stalwart defense of this issue... However, it's clearly evident something is seriously wrong.

You continue to claim it was a simple mistake, but that just isn't true. Simple mistakes, are spelling errors, or saying that a gun shot a different colored bullet to what is actually shot.

The guy claimed that a game, he was paid to accurately, and fairly preview, didn't have something that is -clearly- there. There's only two things that caused this.

He either neglected to do his job, and play the BETA a suffifcient amount of time to actually see this feature, which seems extremely hard, considering the very obvious inclusion of it. That, or he didn't play it at all, which is possible, considering you've mentioned he had a draft written up before playing theBETA

Or, he purposefully, for whatever reasons, decided to state this feature was not in BETA. Which is flat out, innaccurate.

He's either not able to do the job he is paid to do, or he has reasons for giving an innaccurate preview, that brings his judgement, and ability to do the job into question.