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#1 ironcreed
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Bioware casually acts as if this was a mutual thing, and in fact seems rather pleased. It also seems as if what they are wanting to do creatively with the Mass Effect Trilogy will not be hindered by this at all. They also all but out rightly confirm that Mass Effect will indeed be multiplat. Read for yourself:

Q&A: BioWare on the EA buyout

Drs. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk discuss their studios' big deal--and reveal Dragon Age and top-secret MMORPG are already playable. By Tor Thorsen, GameSpotPosted Oct 11, 2007 9:49 pm ET

Last week, Bungie Studios stunned the game industry by announcing that it was separating from cash-flush corporate parent Microsoft. This week, another unexpected blow floored industry watchers when Electronic Arts announced it was buying BioWare/Pandemic, the "superstudio" formed by the union of the eponymous Canadian RPG maker and the Californian action studio.

Other than the staggering sums involved--$860 million dollars, including $620 million in cash--the deal drew interest because of the players involved. Less than two years after thumbing its nose at the traditional publisher business model by eliciting nearly $300 million in venture capital, BioWare/Pandemic was being bought. The purchaser in question is the world's biggest third-party publisher, and has been rightly or wrongly perceived as preferring to hit corporate deadlines over supporting creative vision.

Recently, EA has taken great pains to dismantle its negative image by striking deals with top independent developers such as Crytek and Valve Software. This trend accelerated in February, when ex-EA CEO John Riccitiello retook his old position after a several year hiatus. Ironically, during that time, he served on the board of the venture capital fund Elevation Partners, and oversaw the BioWare/Pandemic merger in November 2005.

Riccitiello went on to become BioWare/Pandemic's CEO and worked closely with the co-founders and co-CEOs of BioWare, Drs. Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeshcuk. Shortly after the EA deal was announced today, GameSpot spoke with the two developers about its implications for their company, which has been an fixture of independent development since the mid-1990s. Now that it's joined other former mavericks such as Criterion and Digital Illusions CE under the EA Games umbrella, what does the future hold?

GameSpot: Going from the worlds' biggest independent developer to part of the world's biggest publisher? People are kind of taken aback. What's your reaction to that?

Ray Myzuka: Well, I'm really excited about the opportunity to integrate the great development teams we have here, the marketing teams we have here. As you said, EA is the largest, and I think, the best publisher in the world, and I think we can addsome value to that team, and that organization as a partnership.

GS: Right, but you guys were always an icon of independent development, and were even more so after the deal with Pandemic...

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

GS: You said you still think of yourself as being independent, even though you're now owned by EA. So what exactly, besides the fact you're obviously wealthier, has changed under the deal? Will day-to-day operations at BioWare change at all?

RM: Well, we can achieve more. We've got more opportunities, more resources for the great development and marketing teams here to take advantage of. We're also a lot more direct to the consumer now, since we're part of the publisher. It's going to allow us to fulfill our mission statement of making the best story-driven games in the world, even better than before. Nothing's going to change about that, since we're really passionate about that, and that's in line with what we've heard from John in the values and mission he's expressed.

GS: So is the name going to still be BioWare or is going to become "EA BioWare"?

GZ: Well we're still BioWare....

RM: BioWare is a name that's associated with some really positive things. The fans like the brand, it's a consumer-facing brand, so we're not going anywhere with it.

GS: Well, I was speaking in purely nomenclature terms, like how Mythic became "EA Mythic"?

RM: That will be a collaborative discussion as we work with the folks at EA Games. We're proud to be working with Frank and proud to be working with John. [EA Games president] Frank [Gibeau] is a big gamer, and a great advocate for BioWare.

GS: People are now wondering what is happening with some of your properties, specifically Mass Effect, which is due out next month. That's a wholly owned BioWare property, correct?

GZ: Yes, it is, and it's almost done. Ray and I have both played it! There's other stuff too, there's Dragon Age, there's the Sonic RPG we're making with Sega, there's what we're doing down in Austin, and some other secret stuff as well.

GS: Right, but Mass Effect was billed as being this big booster for Microsoft's publishing efforts and as one of the biggest Xbox 360 exclusives. Will it remain a 360 exclusive?

RM: Microsoft is a great partner, a great publishing partner, and we're really excited to work with them. And we love the 360. One of the things we've talked about is getting multiple iterations of this franchises out during its lifetime, since it's such a great system to work with. And we see Microsoft as a long-term partner on Mass Effect.

GS: Will Microsoft be publishing future iterations of Mass Effect or will EA be publishing it itself?

GZ: We can't predict the future. We'll see what happens. The key thing is we're making a trilogy of Mass Effect games, and we've got a great story arc.

RM: I think people should check it out and just focus on the first game. The team's efforts are going to shine through, since it's an amazing, amazing experience.

GS: Now one of the main reasons EA gave for acquiring BioWare/Pandemic was the upcoming massively multiplayer online role-playing game you're developing in Austin. After listening to John's comments in the conference call, one walks away with the impression that said MMORPG is a wholly owned IP of BioWare--and therefore EA. Is that correct?

RM: We haven't revealed any details about the game. It's super secret right now. It's got all the characters and story arc that BioWare is known for, and I wish I could say more. It's the best of breed of MMO, with the magic BioWare's associated with, and our goal is to make sure people can't stop playing it.

GS: Right, but judging by John's enthusiasm, it sounds pretty safe to say the MMO is an all-original IP. Would that be fair to say?

RM: [Long pause] We haven't revealed any details about the game. It's super secret right now. It's--

GS: OK, OK, I get it.

GZ: I can say one thing: It looks awesome! [Laughs] We can say a second thing, too: It's really fun to play. We're already playing it. We were playing it just last week.

GS: Now, you just mentioned Dragon Age. Since Dragon Age wasn't mentioned in the acquisition announcement and so little has been heard about it, there's been some speculation that it was canceled.

RM: Oh, no. We were just playing that last week as well. It's one of the more enjoyable things I've done in the past few weeks, by far. I could not stop playing it. I meant to play it just for a little bit just to check it out, but I ended up playing it all weekend. I wish we could say more about it, as the team has been putting in some late hours on the project, and they've come up with some amazing stuff. We're gonna be revealing some more about Dragon Age very soon, I think, and I think you'll be excited to hear about it.

GS: EA announced that there were 10 BioWare/Pandemic franchises, six of which will be series that EA will wholly own. Does that number include existing franchises? I.e. would Mass Effect be counted among that number?

RM: It's a mix of both.

GZ: Tor, are you trying to figure out how many secret games we have? [Laughs]

RM: No, that includes some absolutely unannounced stuff, some super secret stuff we're really proud of. I wish we could talk about it more.

GS: Now, I also notice John mentioned Jade Empire as a property EA was excited about. Does that mean we can expect some new Jade Empire games down the line?

RM: That's an interesting question. [Long pause] We certainly haven't announced anything on that front.

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Good to see Dragon Age is still on track.
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Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with EA, since the engine & all was built from the ground up on X360. We all know how X360 to PS3 ports turn out :roll:
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EA is being more open to new ideas, new IPs, and new ways of doing things, so maybe they are finally trying to become innovators again...
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Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with EaE M I N 3 M
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.
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Well, Sonic RPG is still on. :)
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Bioware now as access to some of the best advertising, larger funds for IPs and the EA brand that appeals to alot of average gamers.

So sell out no, best interst for both Bioware and EA yeah. Plus now more gamers not just lemmings will have access to some of the best RPG in the industry.

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GS: Right, but Mass Effect was billed as being this big booster for Microsoft's publishing efforts and as one of the biggest Xbox 360 exclusives. Will it remain a 360 exclusive?

RM: Microsoft is a great partner, a great publishing partner, and we're really excited to work with them. And we love the 360. One of the things we've talked about is getting multiple iterations of this franchises out during its lifetime, since it's such a great system to work with. And we see Microsoft as a long-term partner on Mass Effect.

ironcreed

well he completely dodges the question, which makes me assume he has no idea if it will go multiplat. but i'm glad to see the 360 will get them no matter what happens

but for now, the important thing is that ME comes out next month and it is going to be AWESOME.

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Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with EA, since the engine & all was built from the ground up on X360. We all know how X360 to PS3 ports turn out :roll: E M I N 3 M

I don't know, they pretty much evade the question. They merely answer by complimenting Microsoft by saying..."Well, Microsoft are great publishing partners, and we love the 360"....But what it really sounded like they meant was more along the lines of...."Well we love the 360, and Microsoft are great publishing partners.....but we would rather double our money by going with EA and making this epic trilogy multiplat."

By not directly answering the question, they pretty much all but said that it will be multiplat. They are EA's boys now. Read this part, and you will see what I mean, in how they pretty much just evade the question by answering with nice compliments instead:

GS: Right, but Mass Effect was billed as being this big booster for Microsoft's publishing efforts and as one of the biggest Xbox 360 exclusives. Will it remain a 360 exclusive?

RM: Microsoft is a great partner, a great publishing partner, and we're really excited to work with them. And we love the 360. One of the things we've talked about is getting multiple iterations of this franchises out during its lifetime, since it's such a great system to work with. And we see Microsoft as a long-term partner on Mass Effect.

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[QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

this is a great argument based on words that are not there....
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Bioware now as access to some of the best advertising, larger funds for IPs and the EA brand that appeals to alot of average gamers.

So sell out no, best interst for both Bioware and EA yeah. Plus now more gamers not just lemmings will have access to some of the best RPG in the industry.

-DarthVader-

I actually meant sold out in the literal sense...not as an insult. If Bioware's creative freedom was really in trouble here, as I had initially feared, then they would not be so optimistic about this.

As SpruceCaboose said above, maybe EA is actually starting to be a bit more liberal and are going to show that they can still give 'gamers' what they want. And this seemingly mutual aquiring of Bioware looks to be an indicator of that. If so, then good for EA for not trying to control Bioware's creativity.

This may not end up being such a bad thing after all. An EA funded, yet free Bioware = higher quality games for us, and improves EA's image with the core base. More people should get to play Bioware's games anyway, and if EA let's them do what the hell they want creatively...then I am all for this.

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So far the 1st part is still exclusive. Now if EA decides to make it multiplat, that's going to take a while & slow the process of sequals even more. It took them what, 4yrs to make ME? The engine & the whole 9was built for X360, now they would have to learn the inner-devils of the PS3 just to satisfy EA? That's F'n terrible!! EA better give them creative control and i say this with c0ws in mind, otherwise you will get craptastic ports. X360 to PS3 doesn't transition well....Even a PS3 dev said it's better for devs to go from PS3 to X360 with their ports for optimazation purposes. I dont know man...w/e R.I.P BioWare
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i am telling you all now. sounds to me like ms is on their way out of the console business. you heard it hear first folks.

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Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

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[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

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Exactly, man. I was initially like..."oh no...the end of Bioware as we know them", lol. But, it sounds as if this is going to be as they said...."a mutually beneficial relationship." If EA is going to still let them be Bioware and develop games the way they have been, then I have absolutely no problem with this at all.

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[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

ironcreed

Some light in all of the darkness.

Exactly, man. I was initially like..."oh no...the end of Bioware as we know them", lol. But, it sounds as if this is going to be as they said...."a mutually beneficial relationship." If EA is going to still let them be Bioware and develop games the way they have been, then I have absolutely no problem with this at all.

More light, from the BioWare Forums:

Originally posted by 'mandalorian tech specialist'



FYI to all you NUBs (I use NUB with respect to the younglings of the BioWare fanbase) John Riccitiello, the current CEO of ea, WAS THE HEAD OF Elevation Partners (the owners of BioWare and Pandemic) and only recently moved back to EA.

I'm sure he will have respect for the company he was head of only a few months ago

...hey, it might actually work. Although I'll still be needing some time to digest the thought of having to see the BioWare and EA-logos along side each other.

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oh man i can just imagine them having like a 14 foot deep pool filled to the brim with that cash. and they are just swimming in that ****.
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eakilltactics
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

this is a great argument based on words that are not there....

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.
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sounds like dragonage is right on track. Can't wait what they will announce about it.
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ME will not be multiplat.. ME 2 or 3? I can't say , but i don't see what the big deal is anyway. im happy that the other platforms get to enjoy a great trilogy. more sales for the game equal more games released.

I find it funny how COWS "supposedly" can't stand Western RPG'S and said ME was a lifeless , souless , blank expressions on the face kind of game. tsk tsk tsk how the tides have turned

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What's the point of making ME 2 and 3 multiplat if the first game isn't on PS3?
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[QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

Your continued pursuit of this point, with virtually nothing to back it up is starting to look demented.

Is it really that important to you?

We'll all find out the truth soon enough, untill then mindless fanboy speculation cannot be regarded as fact.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eamijkil

people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

Your continued pursuit of this point, with virtually nothing to back it up is starting to look demented.

Is it really that important to you?

We'll all find out the truth soon enough, untill then mindless fanboy speculation cannot be regarded as fact.

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.
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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer

people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

Your continued pursuit of this point, with virtually nothing to back it up is starting to look demented.

Is it really that important to you?

We'll all find out the truth soon enough, untill then mindless fanboy speculation cannot be regarded as fact.

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

So where does he mention Mass Effect going multiplat?????

Give it up!

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Sounds to me like ME trilogy may still be a 360 exclusive, whoo that was a close one.
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What's the point of making ME 2 and 3 multiplat if the first game isn't on PS3?Pripyat
they can put the ME 1 story packed with ME 2 if it comes to PS3. or while Bioware is making ME2 they can release ME on PS3 with extra content. rememebr Exclusives arn't forever. ME was gonna be exclusive for a certain period of time then it was coming to PC(like all bioware games) there hasn't been 1 bioware game to my knowledge that skipped the PC. So the original plan was for ME to come out for Xbox first give it 6 months to a year exclusivness then release it on PC now EA will make it the PS3. i'm buying it for PC not PS3 but i'm not gonna be nieve ofcourse it's going to PS3, like you said it wouldn't make sense to release 2 and 3 without seeeing the first. Remember how the Gamecube had RE4 exclusive? then it came to PS2 ? well aslo remember how Gamecube got RE1-3? why do you think Capcom made RE1-3 for Gamecube? to fill those who didn't play it in on the story.
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[QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

or it could be Microsoft putting up the money to keep it exclusive. Dont u think ur jumping the gun by calling a multiplat that isnt announced yet. Mass Effect is gonna be an exclusive. thats a given.

The other 2 still got a good shot assuming 2 things.

1 Mass Effect sells(thats 50/50 at this point)

2 Microsoft can get a deal on the game the way Microsoft got a deal for Gears of Wars IP exclusive.

Anything is possible and money spending is Something Microsoft knows and loves.
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eajg4xchamp
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

or it could be Microsoft putting up the money to keep it exclusive. Dont u think ur jumping the gun by calling a multiplat that isnt announced yet. Mass Effect is gonna be an exclusive. thats a given.

The other 2 still got a good shot assuming 2 things.

1 Mass Effect sells(thats 50/50 at this point)

2 Microsoft can get a deal on the game the way Microsoft got a deal for Gears of Wars IP exclusive.

Anything is possible and money spending is Something Microsoft knows and loves.

EA didn't buy Bioware to play the exclusive game. i dunno what you know about the industry but MS wants exclusive so they can make more money but the developer makes less money than if they went solo. EA wants the most money possible.i only see ME being a Timed exclusive cause it was inevitable to hit the PC(wich all bioware games reach the PC) the CEO of EA used to be the president of the company that owned Bioware they know him and trust him and there gonna follow his lead. how can EA tell it's share holder we'll we could have made more money but we decided to take 25 million dollars from MS to keep 3 games exclusive, even though we could have made 300 plus million off of the games Xbox fans want the game to be exclusive sorry share holders. thats just bad buisness to buy a company for 800plus million and then take a few million and not take any profit from the game.
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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eajg4xchamp
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

or it could be Microsoft putting up the money to keep it exclusive. Dont u think ur jumping the gun by calling a multiplat that isnt announced yet. Mass Effect is gonna be an exclusive. thats a given.

The other 2 still got a good shot assuming 2 things.

1 Mass Effect sells(thats 50/50 at this point)

2 Microsoft can get a deal on the game the way Microsoft got a deal for Gears of Wars IP exclusive.

Anything is possible and money spending is Something Microsoft knows and loves.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14791/Microsoft-Provides-Update-on-Mass-Effect/

"Microsoft has not yet announced specifics regarding sequels to "Mass Effect" but we'll be talking to EA and BioWare in the weeks to come."

They better be talking good, there's a lot of money on the line and EA like the green.

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Pre EA buyout - Mass Effects was a 360 exclusive, this kinda suggests some form of agreement was in place.

Now its certainly obvious that EA will be looking to put the game on other platforms given their record, but the possibilty of this depends entirley on what agreements MS has in place with Bioware.

Just because EA bought out Bioware, it doesnt mean that they can rip up existing contracts.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eamijkil

people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

Your continued pursuit of this point, with virtually nothing to back it up is starting to look demented.

Is it really that important to you?

We'll all find out the truth soon enough, untill then mindless fanboy speculation cannot be regarded as fact.

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

So where does he mention Mass Effect going multiplat?????

Give it up!

when they said they believe in the EA CEo. do you have any idea who EA is? there the number 1 3rd party i the world and all there games are multiplat how is that not obvious? i guess like all lemming arguments you need to wait till you see the game in a ps3 box till you agree with me when it's so obvious what the truth is.
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer
people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

or it could be Microsoft putting up the money to keep it exclusive. Dont u think ur jumping the gun by calling a multiplat that isnt announced yet. Mass Effect is gonna be an exclusive. thats a given.

The other 2 still got a good shot assuming 2 things.

1 Mass Effect sells(thats 50/50 at this point)

2 Microsoft can get a deal on the game the way Microsoft got a deal for Gears of Wars IP exclusive.

Anything is possible and money spending is Something Microsoft knows and loves.

EA didn't buy Bioware to play the exclusive game. i dunno what you know about the industry but MS wants exclusive so they can make more money but the developer makes less money than if they went solo. EA wants the most money possible.i only see ME being a Timed exclusive cause it was inevitable to hit the PC(wich all bioware games reach the PC) the CEO of EA used to be the president of the company that owned Bioware they know him and trust him and there gonna follow his lead. how can EA tell it's share holder we'll we could have made more money but we decided to take 25 million dollars from MS to keep 3 games exclusive, even though we could have made 300 plus million off of the games Xbox fans want the game to be exclusive sorry share holders. thats just bad buisness to buy a company for 800plus million and then take a few million and not take any profit from the game.

How do you go from 25 million to 300million?? Not even multiplats make that much. After reading this article im even more inclined to belleive ME trilogy will be a 360 exclusive. He said hes looking to be working with MS on ME for all three iterations.

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Pre EA buyout - Mass Effects was a 360 exclusive, this kinda suggests some form of agreement was in place.

Now its certainly obvious that EA will be looking to put the game on other platforms given their record, but the possibilty of this depends entirley on what agreements MS has in place with Bioware.

Just because EA bought out Bioware, it doesnt mean that they can rip up existing contracts.

mijkil
MS already released a press release stating it won't effect the release of ME and that the future of ME is in the dark and they will have further discusions with EA later in the week(but EA won't budge cause MS isn't gonna pay them the 200 million they can make going multiplat. MS also stated that Mass Effect is owned by Bioware not MS.
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looks like the original ME is still published by MS when others could be published by EA of MS.

That rules out the first one going mulit, but any others that follow could go to other systems

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[QUOTE="mijkil"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer

people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

Your continued pursuit of this point, with virtually nothing to back it up is starting to look demented.

Is it really that important to you?

We'll all find out the truth soon enough, untill then mindless fanboy speculation cannot be regarded as fact.

Greg Zeschuk: Well, to be blunt, I don't really see ourselves as not being independent anymore. We've got a goal of making great BioWare games, and we believe in [EA CEO] John[ Riccitiello]'s vision--we can't overemphasize that. We've worked with John for years, and we're looking forward to keep doing what we're doing and doing it well.

So where does he mention Mass Effect going multiplat?????

Give it up!

when they said they believe in the EA CEo. do you have any idea who EA is? there the number 1 3rd party i the world and all there games are multiplat how is that not obvious? i guess like all lemming arguments you need to wait till you see the game in a ps3 box till you agree with me when it's so obvious what the truth is.

Speculation=/=Fact

I refer you to my previous post

Seriously, I dont know what you have riding on this, but you need to chill the hell out.

You where spouting your fanboy garbage as fact when i went to bed, and your still doing it as i sit in the office this morning

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Peacebringer why are u complaining and annoying everyone on this matter. Why cant u just wait for official confirmation for ME to go multiplat. ANd then say "I told u so" because every scenario people have brought up is valid.

If Microsoft puts out the money and with the growing relation with the 2, expect to see somekind of exclusive. The worst that could happen is that it goes to the PC. Ubisoft makes multiplats.

Haze exclusive to PS3.

Splinter Cell Conviction exclusive to 360/PC(once again Microsoft does not see the PC as competition like us gamers do).
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GS: Right, but Mass Effect was billed as being this big booster for Microsoft's publishing efforts and as one of the biggest Xbox 360 exclusives. Will it remain a 360 exclusive?

RM: Microsoft is a great partner, a great publishing partner, and we're really excited to work with them. And we love the 360. One of the things we've talked about is getting multiple iterations of this franchises out during its lifetime, since it's such a great system to work with. And we see Microsoft as a long-term partner on Mass Effect.

GS: Will Microsoft be publishing future iterations of Mass Effect or will EA be publishing it itself?
GZ: We can't predict the future. We'll see what happens. The key thing is we're making a trilogy of Mass Effect games, and we've got a great story arc.

If EA does publish ME2 (which is a possibility), it could come to PS3/360/PC.

Just thought I might point that out for the hermits/cows interested in this franchise.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eabigboss5ak

people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

or it could be Microsoft putting up the money to keep it exclusive. Dont u think ur jumping the gun by calling a multiplat that isnt announced yet. Mass Effect is gonna be an exclusive. thats a given.

The other 2 still got a good shot assuming 2 things.

1 Mass Effect sells(thats 50/50 at this point)

2 Microsoft can get a deal on the game the way Microsoft got a deal for Gears of Wars IP exclusive.

Anything is possible and money spending is Something Microsoft knows and loves.

EA didn't buy Bioware to play the exclusive game. i dunno what you know about the industry but MS wants exclusive so they can make more money but the developer makes less money than if they went solo. EA wants the most money possible.i only see ME being a Timed exclusive cause it was inevitable to hit the PC(wich all bioware games reach the PC) the CEO of EA used to be the president of the company that owned Bioware they know him and trust him and there gonna follow his lead. how can EA tell it's share holder we'll we could have made more money but we decided to take 25 million dollars from MS to keep 3 games exclusive, even though we could have made 300 plus million off of the games Xbox fans want the game to be exclusive sorry share holders. thats just bad buisness to buy a company for 800plus million and then take a few million and not take any profit from the game.

How do you go from 25 million to 300million?? Not even multiplats make that much. After reading this article im even more inclined to belleive ME trilogy will be a 360 exclusive. He said hes looking to be working with MS on ME for all three iterations.

do you not understand what a Multiplat is? if they release all 3 games on PS3 and 360 that statment is sitll correct cause it doesn't say anything about exclusive. how come before this news it was"for sure exclusive" and now it's we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360. that isn't that same stance. 25 million is the usal fee to keep a game exclusive to a console if a game sells 4 million thats more than 200 million dollars . a multiplat would rise that number significantly.EA will need to recoup the 800 plus million they paid and Exclusive isn't gonna do it.
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Peacebringer why are u complaining and annoying everyone on this matter. Why cant u just wait for official confirmation for ME to go multiplat. ANd then say "I told u so" because every scenario people have brought up is valid.

If Microsoft puts out the money and with the growing relation with the 2, expect to see somekind of exclusive. The worst that could happen is that it goes to the PC. Ubisoft makes multiplats.

Haze exclusive to PS3.

Splinter Cell Conviction exclusive to 360/PC(once again Microsoft does not see the PC as competition like us gamers do).jg4xchamp
the thing is it's already official. do you need to be punched in the face if you see a punch is coming to make sure the person is really gonna hit you? think about that for a second. i see the punch coming just warning ya'll.
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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Pre EA buyout - Mass Effects was a 360 exclusive, this kinda suggests some form of agreement was in place.

Now its certainly obvious that EA will be looking to put the game on other platforms given their record, but the possibilty of this depends entirley on what agreements MS has in place with Bioware.

Just because EA bought out Bioware, it doesnt mean that they can rip up existing contracts.

peacebringer
MS already released a press release stating it won't effect the release of ME and that the future of ME is in the dark and they will have further discusions with EA later in the week(but EA won't budge cause MS isn't gonna pay them the 200 million they can make going multiplat. MS also stated that Mass Effect is owned by Bioware not MS.

Halo 3 has a legendary edition at 120 and a special edition at 70 bucks.

And it only got 300 million dollars on 2.4 million in sales.

Where did u get 200 million dollars from ur rear.

At most this game would cost Microsoft 100million tops for exclusive rights. THe franchise, EAs great relations with Microsoft, Biowares relations with Microsoft, the chances of the franchise being successful on the 360 anyway.

Splinter Cell Conviction isnt going to the PS3 and is exclusive to the 360 and PC. Because ubisoft sees no reason to make the game multiplat. Same with Haze being exclusive on PS3.

So why cant Mass Effect be exclusive. ANything is possible.

Microsoft is greedy, EA is greedy. Microsoft likes to spend moneey. EA likes money.
How is that a hard scenario to see. That same scenario has worked with Epic, Tecmo, take 2, Rockstar, etc.
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[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"]

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with Eapeacebringer

people are in huge denial on this. they would ahve clearly said it's still an 360 exclusive. what they said is we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360 they didn't say exclusive no ones arguing it's not gonna be on 360 it's about is it exclusive just admit it it's going Multiplat. there talking about EA's presidents"vision" that mans vision is for every console.

or it could be Microsoft putting up the money to keep it exclusive. Dont u think ur jumping the gun by calling a multiplat that isnt announced yet. Mass Effect is gonna be an exclusive. thats a given.

The other 2 still got a good shot assuming 2 things.

1 Mass Effect sells(thats 50/50 at this point)

2 Microsoft can get a deal on the game the way Microsoft got a deal for Gears of Wars IP exclusive.

Anything is possible and money spending is Something Microsoft knows and loves.

EA didn't buy Bioware to play the exclusive game. i dunno what you know about the industry but MS wants exclusive so they can make more money but the developer makes less money than if they went solo. EA wants the most money possible.i only see ME being a Timed exclusive cause it was inevitable to hit the PC(wich all bioware games reach the PC) the CEO of EA used to be the president of the company that owned Bioware they know him and trust him and there gonna follow his lead. how can EA tell it's share holder we'll we could have made more money but we decided to take 25 million dollars from MS to keep 3 games exclusive, even though we could have made 300 plus million off of the games Xbox fans want the game to be exclusive sorry share holders. thats just bad buisness to buy a company for 800plus million and then take a few million and not take any profit from the game.

How do you go from 25 million to 300million?? Not even multiplats make that much. After reading this article im even more inclined to belleive ME trilogy will be a 360 exclusive. He said hes looking to be working with MS on ME for all three iterations.

do you not understand what a Multiplat is? if they release all 3 games on PS3 and 360 that statment is sitll correct cause it doesn't say anything about exclusive. how come before this news it was"for sure exclusive" and now it's we still plan on releasing the trilogy on 360. that isn't that same stance. 25 million is the usal fee to keep a game exclusive to a console if a game sells 4 million thats more than 200 million dollars . a multiplat would rise that number significantly.EA will need to recoup the 800 plus million they paid and Exclusive isn't gonna do it.

Well have fun waiting for ME 2 and 3 because 1 is definetly out of the question. Ill be enjoying it comes next month. Just wait for 2010 or 2011, you should be use to it.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Peacebringer why are u complaining and annoying everyone on this matter. Why cant u just wait for official confirmation for ME to go multiplat. ANd then say "I told u so" because every scenario people have brought up is valid.

If Microsoft puts out the money and with the growing relation with the 2, expect to see somekind of exclusive. The worst that could happen is that it goes to the PC. Ubisoft makes multiplats.

Haze exclusive to PS3.

Splinter Cell Conviction exclusive to 360/PC(once again Microsoft does not see the PC as competition like us gamers do).peacebringer
the thing is it's already official. do you need to be punched in the face if you see a punch is coming to make sure the person is really gonna hit you? think about that for a second. i see the punch coming just warning ya'll.

Can i get a link that says official. cause all u have done is well educated speculation.

Do your predictions seem likely...maybe.

are they facts at this point no.

You just naturally assume Microsoft wont put up money for it. Look if EA is given the right price EA is set. What do they gain from multiplat that they cant make up from all the exclusive money and the easy advertising. I think your jumping the gun and being to serious about this.

Honestly do u hate the 360 that much? because its honestly getting pathetic.
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the thing is it's already official.
peacebringer

No, it's not. He didn't say it was officially multiplat, and it could go either way. For all we know, the entire ME franchise could stay exclusive to the 360.

It could come to PS3/360 though too. Just saying, it ain't official.

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[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Pre EA buyout - Mass Effects was a 360 exclusive, this kinda suggests some form of agreement was in place.

Now its certainly obvious that EA will be looking to put the game on other platforms given their record, but the possibilty of this depends entirley on what agreements MS has in place with Bioware.

Just because EA bought out Bioware, it doesnt mean that they can rip up existing contracts.

jg4xchamp

MS already released a press release stating it won't effect the release of ME and that the future of ME is in the dark and they will have further discusions with EA later in the week(but EA won't budge cause MS isn't gonna pay them the 200 million they can make going multiplat. MS also stated that Mass Effect is owned by Bioware not MS.

Halo 3 has a legendary edition at 120 and a special edition at 70 bucks.

And it only got 300 million dollars on 2.4 million in sales.

Where did u get 200 million dollars from ur rear.

At most this game would cost Microsoft 100million tops for exclusive rights. THe franchise, EAs great relations with Microsoft, Biowares relations with Microsoft, the chances of the franchise being successful on the 360 anyway.

Splinter Cell Conviction isnt going to the PS3 and is exclusive to the 360 and PC. Because ubisoft sees no reason to make the game multiplat. Same with Haze being exclusive on PS3.

So why cant Mass Effect be exclusive. ANything is possible.

Microsoft is greedy, EA is greedy. Microsoft likes to spend moneey. EA likes money.
How is that a hard scenario to see. That same scenario has worked with Epic, Tecmo, take 2, Rockstar, etc.

tell me last time outside Battlefield (for pc)series did EA make an exclusive game to help a console? they don't do that your right EA loves money and MS would have to take a lose to pay EA enough money $60 x 4 million is what? 240 million dollars now 4 million is what ME would sell on the Xbox alone. Imagine another 4 million sales if you combine CP and PS3 sales. thats potentially another 240 million dollars ME can make of of just $60 copys. So your telling me MS is gonna give EA $240 million to keep ME 1 exclusive? why would they have to do that if it's already gonna come out first on the console and was gonna hit PC anyways. i don't see things changing i guess i'll wait till it's official and bump my threads when it is official and own everyone who disagrees with me.

this whole 3rd party exculsive thign is getting ridiculous on MS side SOny makes there own games so does Nintendo why can't MS spend that money they pay for timed exclusives and make there own studios and make there own games that way there no worries about key franchises going anywhere.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Pre EA buyout - Mass Effects was a 360 exclusive, this kinda suggests some form of agreement was in place.

Now its certainly obvious that EA will be looking to put the game on other platforms given their record, but the possibilty of this depends entirley on what agreements MS has in place with Bioware.

Just because EA bought out Bioware, it doesnt mean that they can rip up existing contracts.

peacebringer

MS already released a press release stating it won't effect the release of ME and that the future of ME is in the dark and they will have further discusions with EA later in the week(but EA won't budge cause MS isn't gonna pay them the 200 million they can make going multiplat. MS also stated that Mass Effect is owned by Bioware not MS.

Halo 3 has a legendary edition at 120 and a special edition at 70 bucks.

And it only got 300 million dollars on 2.4 million in sales.

Where did u get 200 million dollars from ur rear.

At most this game would cost Microsoft 100million tops for exclusive rights. THe franchise, EAs great relations with Microsoft, Biowares relations with Microsoft, the chances of the franchise being successful on the 360 anyway.

Splinter Cell Conviction isnt going to the PS3 and is exclusive to the 360 and PC. Because ubisoft sees no reason to make the game multiplat. Same with Haze being exclusive on PS3.

So why cant Mass Effect be exclusive. ANything is possible.

Microsoft is greedy, EA is greedy. Microsoft likes to spend moneey. EA likes money.
How is that a hard scenario to see. That same scenario has worked with Epic, Tecmo, take 2, Rockstar, etc.

tell me last time outside Battlefield (for pc)series did EA make an exclusive game to help a console? they don't do that your right EA loves money and MS would have to take a lose to pay EA enough money $60 x 4 million is what? 240 million dollars now 4 million is what ME would sell on the Xbox alone. Imagine another 4 million sales if you combine CP and PS3 sales. thats potentially another 240 million dollars ME can make of of just $60 copys. So your telling me MS is gonna give EA $240 million to keep ME 1 exclusive? why would they have to do that if it's already gonna come out first on the console and was gonna hit PC anyways. i don't see things changing i guess i'll wait till it's official and bump my threads when it is official and own everyone who disagrees with me.

this whole 3rd party exculsive thign is getting ridiculous on MS side SOny makes there own games so does Nintendo why can't MS spend that money they pay for timed exclusives and make there own studios and make there own games that way there no worries about key franchises going anywhere.

Mass Effect at most would sell 1 million each on PS3 and 360.

Get real its not halo or gears. NOt in quality i mean, i mean as a seller.

I think we can all agree that Mass Effect is to niche to sell a ton of units.

ME 1 is published by Microsoft. the contract for that game cant be breached wether EA likes it or not.

The real question is ME 2 and 3. And yes assuming Mass Effect shows early success(1 million or better) than boom Expect a good nice contract that EA will take. and no 200 million dollars is something even EA wouldnt charge. They arent idiots. THey will take a good 50 million dollar deal even a good 100 million dollar deal tops. I dont see where u honestly believe this game is gonna sell that much.

This game might not even get 1 million on the 360. WIth call of duty 4 in november. lets get real 360=BIG TIME SHOOTER SELLER.

Call of Duty 4=A good looking shooter.

What do u honeslty believe is gonna sell more in november. I will buy Mass Effeect, but i will bet on Call of Duty 4 selling more.

Can i honestly have some of the pot u are smoking, because your numbers are just out there IMO.
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#46 RevenMan
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Well it was good while it lasted r.i.p bioware. I guess mass effect/dragon age will be the last true bioware rpgs, whatever everyone says they have to admit that almost every studio that ea have bought has gone downhill and in some staff was fired and they hired new staff. A sad day for rpg gamers indeed.
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#47 Viviath
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[QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Sounds to me like the possibility of the ME trilogy being exclusive to X360 is still there. I personally believe MS will work something out with EA, since the engine & all was built from the ground up on X360. We all know how X360 to PS3 ports turn out :roll: ironcreed

I don't know, they pretty much evade the question. They merely answer by complimenting Microsoft by saying..."Well, Microsoft are great publishing partners, and we love the 360"....But what it really sounded like they meant was more along the lines of...."Well we love the 360, and Microsoft are great publishing partners.....but we would rather double our money by going with EA and making this epic trilogy multiplat."

By not directly answering the question, they pretty much all but said that it will be multiplat. They are EA's boys now. Read this part, and you will see what I mean, in how they pretty much just evade the question by answering with nice compliments instead:

GS: Right, but Mass Effect was billed as being this big booster for Microsoft's publishing efforts and as one of the biggest Xbox 360 exclusives. Will it remain a 360 exclusive?

RM: Microsoft is a great partner, a great publishing partner, and we're really excited to work with them. And we love the 360. One of the things we've talked about is getting multiple iterations of this franchises out during its lifetime, since it's such a great system to work with. And we see Microsoft as a long-term partner on Mass Effect.

i agree...they are so coy about the whole situation....

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#48 Lonelynight
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EA is not as bad as it use to be IMO, besides EA sports that is.....

And nice to hear Dragon Age is still in devolement

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#49 RevenMan
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EA is not as bad as it use to be IMO, besides EA sports that is.....

And nice to hear Dragon Age is still in devolement

Lonelynight

Actually they haven't changed a bit, from now on i expect bioware to put out unpolished and buggy games, still i may be wrong and i sure as hell hope i am. But think about it EA spends a crap load of money on bioware they sure as hell will expect to have their money as soon as possible and milk the bioware brand as much as possible, im sorry to say this but hope is not a factor in bussines.

EA has given so much cash so when bioware says they are preatty much independent thats all crap if it was like that EA wouldn't have even spend so much money, the fact is that EA now owns bioware. I hope i am wrong but looking at EA's past deals and reputation i highly doubt it.

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#50 Lonelynight
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[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

EA is not as bad as it use to be IMO, besides EA sports that is.....

And nice to hear Dragon Age is still in devolement

RevenMan

Actually they haven't changed a bit, from now on i expect bioware to put out unpolished and buggy games, still i may be wrong and i sure as hell hope i am. But think about it EA spends a crap load of money on bioware they sure as hell will expect to have their money as soon as possible and milk the bioware brand as much as possible, im sorry to say this but hope is not a factor in bussines.

EA has given so much cash so when bioware says they are preatty much independent thats all crap if it was like that EA wouldn't have even spend so much money, the fact is that EA now owns bioware. I hope i am wrong but looking at EA's past deals and reputation i highly doubt it.

I don't really know EA's history very well, but they left Crysis to Crytek, which I think is a good start

EA should just focus on marketing their games IMO and let the game devolepers handle the games themselves