Gamesradar declares Move to be superior to Kinect

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/kinect-vs-move-the-motion-controller-hands-on-deathmatch/a-20100806153242335098

So which one should the hardcore gamer care about?

Move. Simply Move. As much as the games we've detailed in this feature's hands-on reports haven't blown our minds, as evidence of what Move is capable of, they're pretty damn fantastic. Ultra-precise and totally convincing, Move is the experience that finally persuades us that motion control could really add something to games rather than be the sorry side-line gimmick it has so far remained.

he potential goes well beyond the obvious bat-and-ball focused stuff, as a comparison of the full current release schedule for Move shows. Sony's philosophy seems to be one of making Move less of a back door to the casual market (It's had that nailed down since the Eyetoy, let's face it) and more of an augmentation for everyone. Of the 45 Move gamescurrently listed, only 17 relate to sports, fitness, dance or party gaming, and many of those sports games are proper, full-fat franchise entries. Compare that to Kinect'scurrent 26 gamescomprising 16 dance/sports/party/fitness titles and you'll see the different directions the two devices seem to be taking right now.

The reasons for that divergence? We think there are a couple. Firstly, Microsoft has to work harder to break the casual market. It's far from new territory for Sony, and MS really has to make a major image shift away from chainsaws and burst skulls if it's going to convince the family crowd. And secondly, from our experience so far, it seems that the varying tech just dictates the sort of experiences we've seen. Move is a powerful, accurate, versatile device, even without its nunchuck-****add-on. Its capable of intricate, nuanced manoeuvres and broader – yet still accurate – gestures in equal measure, meaning a wide variety of game mechanics are possible. We're actually surprisingly excited about it now.

Kinect however, with itsambitious emphasison full body motion but seeming lesser accuracy, seems more equipped for more vague, broad strokes experiences. Macro control rather than micro complexity, if you will. For the casual Wii family looking to upgrade to a more capable multimedia machine it seems ideal, and will definitely provide a lot of fun. But for the core gamer who already owns a 360, we have our doubts as to whether it's going to be capable of providing new experiences with enough depth to be engaging long-term.

But this is early days, and we're ready to be wrong. Blitz Games' Andrew Oliver hasrecently stated thatKinect's lag needn't be a permanent problem, and if that's true then the hardcore possibilities become a lot greater. Provided of course, we can play sitting down and replace button inputs somehow. Because complex games really do need them, whatever anyone tells you. Otherwise we're just looking at Eyetoy 2.0. And none of us really want that at this stage.

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Cool thanks.

That article pretty much sums up why I'm excited for move. Besides Tiger Woods Golf, there are many games that use Move that are actually appealing and not casual crap.

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Chutebox

they claim PC has won this gen despite the overwhelming evidence that console sales were stronger this gen as a whole.Shuraijuro

[QUOTE="Shuraijuro"] they claim PC has won this gen despite the overwhelming evidence that console sales were stronger this gen as a whole.blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Shuraijuro"] they claim PC has won this gen despite the overwhelming evidence that console sales were stronger this gen as a whole.GeneralShowzer

ok lets see lets put it in these terms, Volkswagon, and BMW make better cars than Chevy or Toyota, but Chevy and Toyota Have sold more, get it? ok anyway moving on.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What does console sales have to do with the PC winning the generation?Shuraijuro

ok lets see lets put it in these terms, Volkswagon, and BMW make better cars than Chevy or Toyota, but Chevy and Toyota Have sold more, get it? ok anyway moving on.

I have no interest in either of them.

Cool. Still not buying it.

I hate when people fight over Move and Kinect. Regardless of which is better they are just major gimmicks just like motion control was on the Wii.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What does console sales have to do with the PC winning the generation?Shuraijuro

ok lets see lets put it in these terms, Volkswagon, and BMW make better cars than Chevy or Toyota, but Chevy and Toyota Have sold more, get it? ok anyway moving on.

I will be picking move up a good few months after release. When there've been good amount of games.

I might get move for its compatibility with games like Heavy Rain and KZ3.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What does console sales have to do with the PC winning the generation?Shuraijuro

ok lets see lets put it in these terms, Volkswagon, and BMW make better cars than Chevy or Toyota, but Chevy and Toyota Have sold more, get it? ok anyway moving on.

I'm getting both so I really don't care which is "superior". I want to know which is more fun.

So, they are basically saying that Move (gold plated turd) is better than Kinect (chocolate covered turd)

Move supperior to kinect because it has more hardcore title for it starting lineup?? WOW i see GAMESRADAR has no respect for CASUAL gamers!! Sega has said countless times that kinect is 1:1 accurate & that any lag will be a fault from a game's software optimisation not kinect hardware. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258701 Ubisoft said knect uses less than 1% of the XBOX 360 cpu & high qualitiy good looking hardcore games can be made to utilize kinect with out any drawback. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258340 Sega,ubisoft & other publishers are also working on hardcore titles for kinect that will be coming around late 2011 or early 2012. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=253059 So just stop the whole crap about kinect please. i am "MONKEYSMOKE" i luv to prove COWs wrong.monkeysmoke

No dude Move is better because it work with harcore games,Kinect just can't work like Move,which is why games like R.U.S.E will have not kinect support while they will support move,shooter is something that work incredibly well with Move,an again will not work as good with Kinect,and you know how popular shooter are,imagine the next COD game releasing with move support and no Kinect support.

If funny 2011 2012 dude Killzone 3 will release like in 6 months,Socom 4 as well,RE 5 gold edition will get a patch to work with move and is already working great from what i read,why do you need so much time for hardcore games for Kinect when both move and Kinect games had more or less the same time on the making,MS could be saying that hardcore games will come,but wihtout even a hint or pick of anything how can you know.?

Another things is older PS3 games can be patch to work with move,while patching older games for Kinect would be close to impossible,that is why the tech is better.

there both going to be crap

So, they are basically saying that Move (gold plated turd) is better than Kinect (chocolate covered turd)

ArcticWolf77

Games radar also gave Darkest of days an 8/10, im not even joking, and they claim PC has won this gen despite the overwhelming evidence that console sales were stronger this gen as a whole. Gamesradar fails, but on topi both move and Kinect are garbage.Shuraijuro

You do know that when they compare sales they dont include the online retail like steam right? In pc that is 70% of sales now days.

I think as far as hardcore and casual gamers go the Wiimote and PSMove is gaming going forward whilst Kinect is gaming going backwards, still fun but a really dumbed down experience, similar to the eyetoy. And MS hasn't shown us anything regarding Kinect to prove otherwise. Of course as far as Im concerned there will be no substitute for the normal controller.

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So, they are basically saying that Move (gold plated turd) is better than Kinect (chocolate covered turd)

DethSkematik

Kinects gonna do better in sales and will be the better casual motion control. I think hardcore games are gonna be better on 360 because kinect has alot more potential.

[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]Move supperior to kinect because it has more hardcore title for it starting lineup?? WOW i see GAMESRADAR has no respect for CASUAL gamers!! Sega has said countless times that kinect is 1:1 accurate & that any lag will be a fault from a game's software optimisation not kinect hardware. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258701 Ubisoft said knect uses less than 1% of the XBOX 360 cpu & high qualitiy good looking hardcore games can be made to utilize kinect with out any drawback. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258340 Sega,ubisoft & other publishers are also working on hardcore titles for kinect that will be coming around late 2011 or early 2012. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=253059 So just stop the whole crap about kinect please. i am "MONKEYSMOKE" i luv to prove COWs wrong.Eltormo

No dude Move is better because it work with harcore games,Kinect just can't work like Move,which is why games like R.U.S.E will have not kinect support while they will support move,shooter is something that work incredibly well with Move,an again will not work as good with Kinect,and you know how popular shooter are,imagine the next COD game releasing with move support and no Kinect support.

If funny 2011 2012 dude Killzone 3 will release like in 6 months,Socom 4 as well,RE 5 gold edition will get a patch to work with move and is already working great from what i read,why do you need so much time for hardcore games for Kinect when both move and Kinect games had more or less the same time on the making,MS could be saying that hardcore games will come,but wihtout even a hint or pick of anything how can you know.?

Another things is older PS3 games can be patch to work with move,while patching older games for Kinect would be close to impossible,that is why the tech is better.

I challenge you Cows to a game of Dance Central when Kinect launch.

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[QUOTE="monkeysmoke"]Move supperior to kinect because it has more hardcore title for it starting lineup?? WOW i see GAMESRADAR has no respect for CASUAL gamers!! Sega has said countless times that kinect is 1:1 accurate & that any lag will be a fault from a game's software optimisation not kinect hardware. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258701 Ubisoft said knect uses less than 1% of the XBOX 360 cpu & high qualitiy good looking hardcore games can be made to utilize kinect with out any drawback. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=258340 Sega,ubisoft & other publishers are also working on hardcore titles for kinect that will be coming around late 2011 or early 2012. Link: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=253059 So just stop the whole crap about kinect please. i am "MONKEYSMOKE" i luv to prove COWs wrong.monkeysmoke

No dude Move is better because it work with harcore games,Kinect just can't work like Move,which is why games like R.U.S.E will have not kinect support while they will support move,shooter is something that work incredibly well with Move,an again will not work as good with Kinect,and you know how popular shooter are,imagine the next COD game releasing with move support and no Kinect support.

If funny 2011 2012 dude Killzone 3 will release like in 6 months,Socom 4 as well,RE 5 gold edition will get a patch to work with move and is already working great from what i read,why do you need so much time for hardcore games for Kinect when both move and Kinect games had more or less the same time on the making,MS could be saying that hardcore games will come,but wihtout even a hint or pick of anything how can you know.?

Another things is older PS3 games can be patch to work with move,while patching older games for Kinect would be close to impossible,that is why the tech is better.

I can see Move being implemented in games I would play and maybe working, the same cannot be said for Kinnect, do not want.blue_hazy_basic

This.

A phrase that was used A LOT with the Wii in reviews and people opinions of games is "tacked on motion control", I fail to see how that's going to change with Move. And considering how devs have failed to come up with more than a few convincing ideas between them for the Wii, i'm surprised people think the same concept of motion control on another console will change anything.

It's like holding a PS2 pad, then picking up a PS3 pad and going "WOW NOW THIS is going to dramatically change the way we play games". And its not, its a refinement of the same idea, and in the end, thats all it is, the same idea only more refined.

It's the emporers new clothes, some how Sony are showing this idea like they invented it. Some of the ideas that almost worked on the Wii will work on this because its more accurate, but that's about it.

I'd find it hypocritical if those who dismissed the Wii for it's "waggle" motion controls, suddenly jumped on the Move bandwagon.

PS3 move is still horrible fail considering you have to have those stupid lights on the tops of the controllers. They said and I basically quote "These cool lights will change colour so lets say you do a fire spell its glows red, water it glows blue" < could even go down with sonys 2005 or was it 2006 E3 :P

PS3 move is still horrible fail considering you have to have those stupid lights on the tops of the controllers. They said and I basically quote "These cool lights will change colour so lets say you do a fire spell its glows red, water it glows blue" < could even go down with sonys 2005 or was it 2006 E3 :P

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PS3 move is still horrible fail considering you have to have those stupid lights on the tops of the controllers. They said and I basically quote "These cool lights will change colour so lets say you do a fire spell its glows red, water it glows blue" < could even go down with sonys 2005 or was it 2006 E3 :P

killzowned24

Although you're pratically drunk on semi skimmed milk, i have to agree with you

Move is in everyway more tuned to System Wars gamers. kinect is for the part of the Wii crowd that Lemmings and Cows disregard, anyone defending it is quite hypocritical

both MOVE and Kinect will suffer from the same drawback in the end, The motion controls aren't standard.

Having to buy the console, and spend an extra 150+ is going to be a big turn-off for many potential buyers.

I'd find it hypocritical if those who dismissed the Wii for it's "waggle" motion controls, suddenly jumped on the Move bandwagon.

Darth_DuMas

That's okay, I find it hypocritical that the same people who said that lack of rumble in a controller made games "Feel way less real" are now the ones saying that not having a controller at all is the way of the future.