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#1 useLOGIC
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Games radar posted this article about what the reviews will say, (sorry if old) with both the good and the bad. the bad almost seem to outweigh the good??? thoughts?

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/killzone-2-what-the-reviews-will-say/a-2009010616181421045

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the Good:

• Graphics wh**** will love it – Whether it's the brooding oppression brought by the lightning-scorched sky, the impressive smoke and dust effects or the startling enemy animation; the game is sometimes jarringly bleak but always darkly beautiful… but it's still a bit brown.

•The cover system works brilliantly - It's definitely the game's most successful mechanic. Similar to the system used in PC shooter FEAR, it works by holding L2 while pressed up against objects in the environment and then peering over or around to shoot things with the analogue stick and R2. Hiding behind cover and popping up to bring the hurt to the Helghast reminds us of playing a particularly bleak version of Time Crisis. And it provides a welcome tactical and methodical edge to Killzone's firefights.

• The motion controls don't feel forced – Yep, as hard as it is to believe that statement, the motion controls in the game work fairly well. They're simple and feel pleasingly responsive, reminding us of Metroid Prime 3: Corruption's excellent switch flipping sections.

• It's got a brilliant flamethrower – Better than the one in Halo 3 or Dead Space or any game we can think of actually, Guerrilla's flame-grilling weapon extraordinaire is perfect for barbecuing baddies. It's not only fun to see the Helghast burn like evil s'mores, but the gun's rapid, incisive flames and impressive range makes it consistently engaging to fire.

• The viewpoint is incredibly immersive – From the reload animations, the way your gun rests on obstacles - rather than passing through them - or the way your hands desperately cling onto the rungs of ladders, you always feel like you're in the shoes of an actual person, rather than a disembodied gun.

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The bad:

The objectives – Blow up communication towers, plant explosive charges, defend Johnny Useless team-mate, Guerrilla have more brutally killed the box rather than thought outside it for most of the game's objectives.

• The level design – While levels are fairly linear in the way they're laid out, usually offering clear, channelled progression, we still got lost quite a bit. Pressing up on the d-pad points you in the right direction, but, if level design were clearer, you'd naturally know where to go.

• Your AI team-mates – Aside from enjoying running in front of your gun, getting shot and needing to be constantly revived, your team-mates constantly grate by dropping relentlessly tiresome F bombs.

A lack of memorable set pieces – The first five levels feel like a bit of a slog at times, with many trench fights or pitched battles in city squares. The pacing just can't match something like Half-Life 2 and, as a result, the action gets tedious at times.

• It's very 'gamey' – Many battles with the Helghast end with you having to trigger some sort of event - like having to walk to a certain point to activate a new stream of enemies or a new setpiece. It's all a bit entrenched in contrived game logic. That, and the story is a load of clichéd sci-fi pap.

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#2 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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great game, but so much for "teh console graphics king" this and OPM said it looked good but wasn't best graphics
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#3 WAIW
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great game, but so much for "teh console graphics king" this and OPM said it looked good but wasn't best graphics-Mad_Rhetoric-

Yet critics seem to think MGS4 is the best looking game of all time.

I think it's safe to say opinions > what critics say when it comes to graphics.

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#4 useLOGIC
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i kinda smell a flop on here. srsly. maybe not horribly like the first, but remember cows - 8.5 and lower = floptastic field day on SW
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•The cover system works brilliantly - It's definitely the game's most successful mechanic. Similar to the system used in PC shooter FEAR,



useLOGIC

What? FEAR had a cover system and I haven't noticed it despite the fact that I played the game three times?:|

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• Your AI team-mates – Aside from enjoying running in front of your gun, getting shot and needing to be constantly revived, your team-mates constantly grate by dropping relentlessly tiresome F bombs.

A lack of memorable set pieces – The first five levels feel like a bit of a slog at times, with many trench fights or pitched battles in city squares. The pacing just can't match something like Half-Life 2 and, as a result, the action gets tedious at times.

These are the only "bad" things I'm concerned about.

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#7 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]great game, but so much for "teh console graphics king" this and OPM said it looked good but wasn't best graphicsWAIW

Yet critics seem to think MGS4 is the best looking game of all time.

I think it's safe to say opinions > what critics say when it comes to graphics.

have you even played MGS4? its huge, and has great graphics considering all the stuff goin on, (10-20 eneimes in some battles, continues octocamo changes, amazing character models)
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#8 useLOGIC
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im tired of useless excessive profanity in games.

im glad COD4 squeaked by without a problem.

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#9 WAIW
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[QUOTE="WAIW"]

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]great game, but so much for "teh console graphics king" this and OPM said it looked good but wasn't best graphics-Mad_Rhetoric-

Yet critics seem to think MGS4 is the best looking game of all time.

I think it's safe to say opinions > what critics say when it comes to graphics.

have you even played MGS4? its huge, and has great graphics considering all the stuff goin on, (10-20 eneimes in some battles, continues octocamo changes, amazing character models)

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

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#10 YellowFIash
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Meh, i'll wait for reviews Gotta love when people predict the future. Also some of their “bads” are in other FPS games and some are plain stupid
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i kinda smell a flop on here. srsly. maybe not horribly like the first, but remember cows - 8.5 and lower = floptastic field day on SWuseLOGIC
The one good thing it has going for it is a lot of the bad that they have listed are qualities that I have seen in other AAA shooters.
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#12 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

Yet critics seem to think MGS4 is the best looking game of all time.

I think it's safe to say opinions > what critics say when it comes to graphics.

WAIW

have you even played MGS4? its huge, and has great graphics considering all the stuff goin on, (10-20 eneimes in some battles, continues octocamo changes, amazing character models)

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

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#13 WAIW
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[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"] have you even played MGS4? its huge, and has great graphics considering all the stuff goin on, (10-20 eneimes in some battles, continues octocamo changes, amazing character models)-Mad_Rhetoric-

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

IGN Playstation :lol:

IGN can do whatever they want. I'm telling you what I think from my personal experiences, which is Uncharted > MGS4. The textures and lighting are immensely superior, and it actually has a color palette.

As for your Warhead explanation, that's an unsatisfactory reason. So what, Crysis won best graphics. Warhead should win best graphics as well. There's no contest -- Warhead looks better than MGS4.

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#14 EuroMafia
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The good doesn't really tell you much, so I'll still wait for full reviews.
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#15 hmac777
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My only real concern from this is setting complaints. Ive found that the most memorable games for me are the one with the best setting, and while other things are forgivable, its hard to stay psyched about a lame world
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#16 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

WAIW

uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

IGN Playstation :lol:

IGN can do whatever they want. I'm telling you what I think from my personal experiences, which is Uncharted > MGS4. The textures and lighting are immensely superior, and it actually has a color palette.

As for your Warhead explanation, that's an unsatisfactory reason. So what, Crysis won best graphics. Warhead should win best graphics as well. There's no contest -- Warhead looks better than MGS4.

most people and most gaming mags/site opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion
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#17 WAIW
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[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"] uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

-Mad_Rhetoric-

IGN Playstation :lol:

IGN can do whatever they want. I'm telling you what I think from my personal experiences, which is Uncharted > MGS4. The textures and lighting are immensely superior, and it actually has a color palette.

As for your Warhead explanation, that's an unsatisfactory reason. So what, Crysis won best graphics. Warhead should win best graphics as well. There's no contest -- Warhead looks better than MGS4.

most people and most gaming mags/site opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion

Yup, most people that have played both MGS4 and Crysis Warhead thinks MGS4 looks better. You're right, MGS4 is the best looking game of all time :roll:

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#18 one_on_one
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All the problems I was worried about back then are still problems now and with just a month away I doubt these issues will be resolved by then. I was worried about the AI and how everything will feel so scripted. Oh well, just as long it's fun.
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#19 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="WAIW"][QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"] have you even played MGS4? its huge, and has great graphics considering all the stuff goin on, (10-20 eneimes in some battles, continues octocamo changes, amazing character models)-Mad_Rhetoric-

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

:|

Warhead is NOT a re-release. It is it's own game. :|

You obviously haven't played it and shouldn't comment on it's graphics due to your ignorance.

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#20 GreyFoXX4
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Thats right yall forget all other previews that stated that the aI was great and very difficult, and that it was the best looking console game ever seen. Most of yall are just waiting for negatives and weren't going to buy the game to begin with or don't even have a ps3 lol. So rejoice some ever so slight negatives coming yalls way about KZ2 to make you feel better about your 360.
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[QUOTE="useLOGIC"]

•The cover system works brilliantly - It's definitely the game's most successful mechanic. Similar to the system used in PC shooter FEAR,



Baranga

What? FEAR had a cover system and I haven't noticed it despite the fact that I played the game three times?:|

aside from ACTUALLY locking you onto the cover,yeah, basically.

The lean and peek mechanic is in FEAR(also in a few other games). The only real difference in Killzone 2 is you can glue yourself to the cover(which doesn't matter at all).

I have always criticized that being a staple of some of the hype. Honestly it is not at ALL different from how I NATURALLY play FPS's(Stand/crouch behind cover and pop out when I get a chance to shoot). The Lean and Peek mechanic has been done before. Honestly, it just seemed like a very contrived hype thing that they constantly brought up and nobody actually had the balls to call them out for making a completely useless mechanic.

That isn't to say the game will be bad(it actually looks great) but hyping that BS is completely beyond me. Because it is NOT anything special.

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#23 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="useLOGIC"]

•The cover system works brilliantly - It's definitely the game's most successful mechanic. Similar to the system used in PC shooter FEAR,



Baranga

What? FEAR had a cover system and I haven't noticed it despite the fact that I played the game three times?:|

Q and E keys
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#24 MotoJ19
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Surprised about the cover system, thought it'd be more gimmicky you know?
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#25 Dreams-Visions
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sounds like minor complaints to me. what FPS doesn't have stupid AI teammates? they've provided a button to make where you're supposed to go clear. the variation in objectives does sound a bit lame. Regardless, I can't wait.
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#26 cuddlesofwar
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[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

Aljosa23

uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

:|

Warhead is NOT a re-release. It is it's own game. :|

You obviously haven't played it and shouldn't comment on it's graphics due to your ignorance.

Agreed.Warhead is as much a release as MGS4 or GTA4 or Gears 2 ... it's a sequel. Not a re release
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#27 ermacness
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great game, but so much for "teh console graphics king" this and OPM said it looked good but wasn't best graphics-Mad_Rhetoric-
lol!!!!!!!!! what console game looks better?
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#28 -Mad_Rhetoric-
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[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

Yes I have. Go play Uncharted or Crysis Warhead, then tell me MSG4 looks better.

Aljosa23

uncharted? ign didn't even give it a 10 for graphics, hell not even a 9.5, but a 9.0 like 50 other games, making it have bright cartoony color doesn't make the graphics better.

as for warhead, why do I keep having to explain this? CRYSIS1 already did best graphics last year, warhead is a re-released with extras

:|

Warhead is NOT a re-release. It is it's own game. :|

You obviously haven't played it and shouldn't comment on it's graphics due to your ignorance.

my bad, its just an expansion "Crysis Warhead is a science fiction first-person shooter video game developed by video game developer Crytek Budapest and published by Electronic Arts as an expansion to Crysis. Crysis Warhead is a standalone game and does not need Crysis installed to play it. It was released on September 12, 2008[1] in Europe and September 16, 2008[1] in North America."-wikipedia
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lol flopzone2 here we come.

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#30 blehblahblep
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even though i hate halo 3 it's a more complete game than killzone2.

killzone2 doesnt have map editor type crap

halo 3 has 11 maps killzone2 has 8

halo 3 has deathmatch/tdm killzone2 only has tdm no free for all dm.

halo 3 has vehicles killzone2 none in multiplayer

killzone2 supports 32 players halo 3 only 16 though

halo 3 supports cooperative online

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even though i hate halo 3 it's a more complete game than killzone2.

killzone2 doesnt have map editor type crap

halo 3 has 11 maps killzone2 has 8

halo 3 has deathmatch/tdm killzone2 only has tdm no free for all dm.

halo 3 has vehicles killzone2 none in multiplayer

killzone2 supports 32 players halo 3 only 16 though

halo 3 supports cooperative online

blehblahblep
You played KZ2? :shock:
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#32 blehblahblep
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[QUOTE="blehblahblep"]

even though i hate halo 3 it's a more complete game than killzone2.

killzone2 doesnt have map editor type crap

halo 3 has 11 maps killzone2 has 8

halo 3 has deathmatch/tdm killzone2 only has tdm no free for all dm.

halo 3 has vehicles killzone2 none in multiplayer

killzone2 supports 32 players halo 3 only 16 though

halo 3 supports cooperative online

Aljosa23

You played KZ2? :shock:

lol

id maybe play halo 3 or buy it if the damn noob devs patched in option to turn that aim assist crap off.

killzone2 only has 8 maps and no vehicles in multiplayer what i said is true lol

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#33 patriots7672
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It'll be a solid 9-10 game.
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#34 Baranga
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[QUOTE="Baranga"][QUOTE="useLOGIC"]

•The cover system works brilliantly - It's definitely the game's most successful mechanic. Similar to the system used in PC shooter FEAR,



DivergeUnify

What? FEAR had a cover system and I haven't noticed it despite the fact that I played the game three times?:|

Q and E keys

Uh, isn't that lean? Most PC shooter have a lean option, I can't live without it. I don't think sitting near a wall and leaning qualifies as cover. What that Command and Conquer FPS was supposed to have was a true first person cover.

One of FEAR 2's additions is a proper cover system, you knock over tables and other stuff to hide...

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#35 foreverflame890
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Hopefully it flops i dont want PS3 games to live up to the hype
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#36 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Hopefully it flops i dont want PS3 games to live up to the hypeforeverflame890
Like MGS4? Oh wait...
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#37 LightReflection
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They're previewing the preview build. Old.
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#38 -DrRobotnik-
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[QUOTE="LightReflection"]They're previewing the preview build. Old.

So the final build with have a reworked story with interesting objectives? I sure hope so, because thats the biggest downfall for me.
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#39 Dreams-Visions
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It'll be a solid 9-10 game. patriots7672
no way it gets to 10. games have to do something truly unique/unusually special to get to that. 9.0-9.5 is the safe bet.
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#40 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="foreverflame890"]Hopefully it flops i dont want PS3 games to live up to the hypeAljosa23
Like MGS4? Oh wait...

Nope, not MGS4. See, that actually surpassed the hype. Use Resistance 2 or LBP instead. :)

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#41 LightReflection
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[QUOTE="LightReflection"]They're previewing the preview build. Old.-DrRobotnik-
So the final build with have a reworked story with interesting objectives? I sure hope so, because thats the biggest downfall for me.

No I'm saying this was done a month ago. Story doesn't really bother me in an FPS and as for the objectives, I don't see anything so *bad* about what they noted. Christ, did you want them to reinvent the wheel? I'm expecting a solid FPS game and I'm positive that's what we'll get.
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#42 Lewisite
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[QUOTE="foreverflame890"]Hopefully it flops i dont want PS3 games to live up to the hypeAljosa23
Like MGS4? Oh wait...

Nice :D

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#43 speedsix
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Why are people getting excited about this? It sounds like an utterly generic and forgetable cookie-cutter FPS.
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#44 nicenator
Member since 2005 • 1938 Posts

Anyone else find the idea of a games media outlet predicting the content of next months reviews for a game a little... odd?

I would assume they would have some valid points based off the preview code, but at the same time, it does stink of fishing for hits.

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#45 naydaslayer
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So your allies die.. sounds like real life.
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#46 -DrRobotnik-
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="LightReflection"]They're previewing the preview build. Old.LightReflection
So the final build with have a reworked story with interesting objectives? I sure hope so, because thats the biggest downfall for me.

No I'm saying this was done a month ago. Story doesn't really bother me in an FPS and as for the objectives, I don't see anything so *bad* about what they noted. Christ, did you want them to reinvent the wheel? I'm expecting a solid FPS game and I'm positive that's what we'll get.

No im expecting more than just solid, im expecting a great FPS experience, especially from a game as hyped as Killzone 2. Having to do boring objectives with questionable level design is disappointing. Thats all.
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#47 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Why are people getting excited about this? It sounds like an utterly generic and forgetable cookie-cutter FPS.speedsix
But it's a PS3 exclusive which is a sequel to a buggy FPS. Plus it has amazing graphicksorzzz. :shock:
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#48 ogvampire
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[QUOTE="useLOGIC"]

•The cover system works brilliantly - It's definitely the game's most successful mechanic. Similar to the system used in PC shooter FEAR,



Baranga

What? FEAR had a cover system and I haven't noticed it despite the fact that I played the game three times?:|

heh. i am wondering the same thing. i finished FEAR, but i dont ever remember there being a cover system.

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#49 AAllxxjjnn
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most people and most gaming mags/site opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion-Mad_Rhetoric-
Ok, continue to stick with the people that THINK they are right, when in reality they are wrong. Really, just because the majority rules something doesn't mean it's right.
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#50 useLOGIC
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maybe critics will appreciate the dynamic objectives in multiplayer that move on the fly between body count to search and destroy to... etc