Gaming evolution - 2d to 3d to ??

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#1 Sparkys
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I was thinking about why playing SNES and Genesis feels a lot better than playing N64/PS games these days (IMHO they do, and i think most of you would agree with me). I came to the conclusion that the SNES/Gen generation perfected 2d gaming, when the N64/PS generation was only the beggining of 3d gaming, and that's why it feels kind of clunky these days. I feel that last gen has perfected 3d gaming, and i've found myself wondering: what's next? Since 3d has been perfected, what will follow?

I came up with 3 answers:

Online: It's already pratically a standart, yet i feel we've only seen the the of the iceberg. I believe the industry will come up with dozens of great new ways to use online in the next-generation.

Motion-sensing: Again, this is something that's just starting to appear, but is hard to see the future without it. I do see MS becoming a standart, if not in the Next-Gen (I consider Next-Gen PS4, "Xbox 720" and "Wii 2"), surely in the one to follow. I believe it'll be perfected when we have truly functional one to one motion-sensing, working perfectly across every genre.

Multi-media features: And i don't mean DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray playback. Consoles will soon need to be the main eletronic in the house for the industry to grow. This will work a lot with online, obviously. Things like Wii channels and Xbox Live features will evolve a lot this gen and in the ones to follow. News, Web browing, and whatever they come up with need to be done on the console.

All this, obviously, IMO. What's yours?

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#2 Corvin
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I see the Playstation, PS2, and PS3 generations as the Atari, NES, and SNES generations, respectively, in terms of comparing 2D vs. 3D consoles. But I don't quite understand this thread. 2D and 3D refer to the graphics, or scaling graphical capabilities. But you offer gameplay changes and added media/online functions as follow-ups. But, the games would still be 3D... so then this doesn't really even answer the question of 2D to 3D to ?? I was thinking more along the lines of things like virtual reality. 3D games today are perceived as 3D but aren't really 3D (go ahead, try to reach in to your monitor and take advantage of that 3rd dimension, or view the screen from a different angle, its still the same). Things like virtual reality, holographic monitors and the like, may be the future but I think 3D as we know it will still be with us for a long time.
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Sony is already way ahead of you. Did you forget about TEH 4D1?!?!?!
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#4 X360PS3AMD05
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This is why that dude at pointlesswasteoftime.com said there'd be another gaming crash.
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#5 fatzombiepigeon
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Well, we're speaking about evolution, so let's say this: 2D-3D-4D-Whatever the amazing minds at Sony will think of for next gen hype.
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#6 Sparkys
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[QUOTE="Corvin"]I see the Playstation, PS2, and PS3 generations as the Atari, NES, and SNES generations, respectively, in terms of comparing 2D vs. 3D consoles. But I don't quite understand this thread. 2D and 3D refer to the graphics, or scaling graphical capabilities. But you offer gameplay changes and added media/online functions as follow-ups. But, the games would still be 3D... so then this doesn't really even answer the question of 2D to 3D to ?? I was thinking more along the lines of things like virtual reality. 3D games today are perceived as 3D but aren't really 3D (go ahead, try to reach in to your monitor and take advantage of that 3rd dimension, or view the screen from a different angle, its still the same). Things like virtual reality, holographic monitors and the like, may be the future but I think 3D as we know it will still be with us for a long time.

2d to 3d was a big jump in gameplay and in gaming, and also it was the natural evolution and where everyone saw the industry going. It was the "next big step". My question is what's the next one?
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#7 books83
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I know what comes next VR

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Teh 4D!!!!

but seriously i think it will go to motion sensing (but with WAY better graphics than the Wii)

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Sony is already way ahead of you. Did you forget about TEH 4D1?!?!?!TNT_Slug

Since I can't see in 4D I'm missing out.:( 

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[QUOTE="Sparkys"][QUOTE="Corvin"]I see the Playstation, PS2, and PS3 generations as the Atari, NES, and SNES generations, respectively, in terms of comparing 2D vs. 3D consoles. But I don't quite understand this thread. 2D and 3D refer to the graphics, or scaling graphical capabilities. But you offer gameplay changes and added media/online functions as follow-ups. But, the games would still be 3D... so then this doesn't really even answer the question of 2D to 3D to ?? I was thinking more along the lines of things like virtual reality. 3D games today are perceived as 3D but aren't really 3D (go ahead, try to reach in to your monitor and take advantage of that 3rd dimension, or view the screen from a different angle, its still the same). Things like virtual reality, holographic monitors and the like, may be the future but I think 3D as we know it will still be with us for a long time.

2d to 3d was a big jump in gameplay and in gaming, and also it was the natural evolution and where everyone saw the industry going. It was the "next big step". My question is what's the next one?

Watch where PCs are going.............
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The visuals themselves always have room for improvement. As far as new console ideas, the possibilities are endless.
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Lets not forget about the 360D .
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2d to 3d to HD
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I don't see motion sensing as an evolution to gaming at all. If Nintendo chooses to stay with it, it will just be another category of gaming. Not everybody wants motion sensor. 
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real-life like graphs???
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2d - 3d - Holographs!
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No VR option?
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Virtual Reality 8)
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Actually if development costs continue to rise you may see a devolution of a kind back to 2.5D. Not many people remember that but around the beginning of the fifth generation there were quite a few titles that were 3D graphically but moved along fixed paths, sometimes branching, sometimes not. These kinds of games became extremely rare after a few years though as developers began to understand 3D better, making development easily and thus less expensive. These "2.5D" games included some great-amazing titles such as Klonoa: Door to Phantomile. Crash Bandicoot, and Tomba 2 and I would dearly like to see a resurgence of that kind of game design.
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[QUOTE="SSJ2_Cloud"]2d to 3d to HD

haha.. clevar.
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[QUOTE="Runningflame570"]Actually if development costs continue to rise you may see a devolution of a kind back to 2.5D. Not many people remember that but around the beginning of the fifth generation there were quite a few titles that were 3D graphically but moved along fixed paths, sometimes branching, sometimes not. These kinds of games became extremely rare after a few years though as developers began to understand 3D better, making development easily and thus less expensive. These "2.5D" games included some great-amazing titles such as Klonoa: Door to Phantomile. Crash Bandicoot, and Tomba 2 and I would dearly like to see a resurgence of that kind of game design.

I remember those 2.5D games.........Pandemonuim for PS1!! It took (as usual) Nintendo to show off "proper" camera and character control via Mario 64 before full 3D on consoles really took off.
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What would be cool (and yes we're looking at 60 years+ in the future) is a console that somhow forms a libnk with your brain and as you sleep, turns your dreams to a game, so it is as if you are truly there. Not to mention the convienance, you can rest and play at the same time!
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What would be cool (and yes we're looking at 60 years+ in the future) is a console that somhow forms a libnk with your brain and as you sleep, turns your dreams to a game, so it is as if you are truly there. Not to mention the convienance, you can rest and play at the same time!lilrush

Oh you mean something like the Playstation 9

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Constant Universe - one identity that bridges between platforms, as well as games that go between portable and console platforms. Seemlessly go from a console to your handheld without missing a beat.

Online Handhelds - mmorpgs that tie the user down the PC are limited. As handhelds grow in power - and as wifi / hi-speed cellular networks spread - it's inevitable that we'll see a handheld get the next "world of warcraft" on a a handheld.

User Modifiable Content - Mods brought Oblivion to life, fixed an annoying level up system, improved the graphics, added features, and generally made the experience better. More user customization needs to be seen in games - why can't you forge your own design for the master sword in Zelda?




One area that needs to be addressed is the home theater setups of your end user. Tools like surround sound *greatly* increase the immersion a game can offer, yet how many people will use the speakers built into their TV rather than springing an extra $250 for an entry-level sound system (like an Onkyo 590s)?

Nintendo tried to address this with the Wii - assume your audience has an SDTV, use a speaker in the Wiimote to give yourself at least some positional sound, and use motion-sensing, but anyone who has seen the high-end experience of a game like Oblivion on a high-end PC cannot deny the additional immersion this adds.
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#25 Runningflame570
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To those of you saying Virtual Reality: Nintendo had the same idea at one time though you probably haven't heard of this and theres a good reason for that...the system only sold 75,000 units worldwide and only had slightly over a dozen games...heck all the games shown on the box weren't even released! There would need to be an assurance of success or a completely different, very confident company to release a virtual reality console at this point in time because there isn't even any guarantee that such a market exists at this point. The world was obsessed with VR during the 90s and considering how Virtual Boy went and how less popular the concept of virtual reality is now, its doubtful such a system would succeed unless it gave developers numerous compelling reasons to develop for it in place of competing systems.
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#26 caje47
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4d obviously. Sony already has it.
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2D -> 3D -> 'Wii' D get it?! I made a funny! :lol:
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[QUOTE="lilrush"]What would be cool (and yes we're looking at 60 years+ in the future) is a console that somhow forms a libnk with your brain and as you sleep, turns your dreams to a game, so it is as if you are truly there. Not to mention the convienance, you can rest and play at the same time!books83

Oh you mean something like the Playstation 9

Exactly.
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#29 phoenixan_akrau
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Too bad the 4th dimension is time and space. You can't fit all of that into a tiny box... unless you wanted to make a black hole.  I guess that's Sony's goal?

...a black hole that sucks up all your moneys. :)