Gaming Has Hit Rock Bottom - Not Even Once.

Best effort put into a troll since Stevo's last graph-tastic post. 8/10

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You lost me at the point when you started talking about visuals.. Is this the first thing that comes to people's fvcking minds is that the graphics aren't bleeding edge? What about gameplay? Replayability, original gameplay mechanics.. CHALLENGE... You know things that really matter... THIS IS THE PROBLEM with gaming today, because morons are more concerned with how the game looks leading to dev spending millions of dollars for new graphics of a old game with a new wrapper..Jankarcop

Best effort put into a troll since Stevo's last graph-tastic post. 8/10

santoron

How about when the "troll" actually has truth in it? I can confirm the UC and Skyrim fps dips.

Great topics and you should be proud, 5/10 for content, 6/10 for effort & 8.5/10 for presentation. rjdofu

10/10 for making you butthurt

Whoever came up with this is a prat.

waltefmoney

Are you saying you don't like asses :| ?

[QUOTE="santoron"]

Best effort put into a troll since Stevo's last graph-tastic post. 8/10

Jankarcop

How about when the "troll" actually has truth in it? I can confirm the UC and Skyrim fps dips.

Hey, best trolling always has some truth!:P

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]Great topics and you should be proud, 5/10 for content, 6/10 for effort & 8.5/10 for presentation. Jankarcop

10/10 for making you butthurt

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]Great topics and you should be proud, 5/10 for content, 6/10 for effort & 8.5/10 for presentation. rjdofu

10/10 for making you butthurt

and a perfect 10 for showing how obnoxious and smug they tend to be bout their gaming choice.

[spoiler] :3 [/spoiler]

You took time to make all those pics? Well done. :roll:

Lol, consolites just got owned. :cool:

However, the best console in this generation is the PS3 due to superb exclusives that are worth playing.

Post is beyond idiotic...PC gaming and practices of PC develoeprs being brought to consoles are the reason why consoles are sh!t now.

patching/DLC/map pack$/glithcy games released forgiven to wait for it to get better...all of it a product of consoles mixing PC standards of unfinished and unpolished games and paying for things that should be free...but honestly (sorry lems) that mostly if not all of MS's doing (also a PC company) so no it's not consoles at all...you have it backwards.

casharmy

PC gaming is not perfect(as any form of gaming),but lot of misinformation in that post...

Patching and glitches-nope,this has nothing to do with PC standards.The "fix it after release" mentality in the modern gaming industry started because of budget restrictions and time limits in game development,when publishers often rush games to reach a certain release period...

DLC-official(developer) created paying DLC has nothing to do with PC standards.On PC,it was never prevalent,or widespread in the past.Mods and other FREE USER-created content=/=DLC.

A DLC is always official content,and PC developers never practiced that,they would let users expand their games.They only released some expansion packs here and there,but expansion pack in traditional sense offers much more content than the modern DLC.An expansion pack would also be a retail release,and DLC generally isn't a retail release,aside from being included in Special GOTY editions.Also,"paying for things that should be free".To what part of PC gaming is that refering?

And tbh,MS was never too much of a player in PC gaming.Windows OS+DX API is important,yeah,and they released a few of their games like some Halos,and flight simulators,but those games never achieved any notable commercial success.MS tried to push strongly into PC market only with GoW,and the release of GFWL(paying for MP,like XBL),but that failed miserably,as you probably know.When it comes to gaming,MS' largest focus is on the 360...

And if consoles are sh!t,why are you still using them?

Why are they still so popular among gamers?

Well found someone who makes worse thread than Loosingends,mastershake and finalstar. I thought it was impossible...

Ballroompirate

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Well found someone who makes worse thread than Loosingends,mastershake and finalstar. I thought it was impossible...

Giancar

Yep:

D4W1L4H(sheep): I bet that Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance (3DS) will recieve a 9.0 here at gamespot; I will create a thread bashing consoles and praising gaming PCs if my predicition fails.D4W1L4H

He did a great job,I must admit ;)

Thats pretty good.

Last gen both sony and MS had much much higher standards for game submissions. They publish anything in any state this gen.

Thats pretty good.

Last gen both sony and MS had much much higher standards for game submissions. They publish anything in any state this gen.

tenaka2

Well the migration of PC developers to consoles has a lot to do with that.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Thats pretty good.

Last gen both sony and MS had much much higher standards for game submissions. They publish anything in any state this gen.

waltefmoney

Well the migration of PC developers to consoles has a lot to do with that.

You mean PC orriented developers like Epic,who created one of the most successful console franchises(GeOW)?

The home PC is on it's way out - get used to it. Tablets, smartphones, and entertainment devices (like ocnsoles) are the way of the future.

PCs will be regulated to the business world.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Thats pretty good.

Last gen both sony and MS had much much higher standards for game submissions. They publish anything in any state this gen.

waltefmoney

Well the migration of PC developers to consoles has a lot to do with that.

lol nice try, however you are aware of the console development process?

MS and Sony have to approve the game concept initially, then at various points during the development phase Sony/MS recieve builds of the game which they test in house and report back on. Nothing can be published without having passed sony/ms submission.

In other words both sony and ms know exactly what state a game is in before they release it, yet they release it anyway.

D4W1L4H

[QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

kaealy

Am I the only one old enough to remember the time in PC gaming when the PC market was flooded with this kind of games and was the best thing since sliced bread?

You're not and despite the "do not want" mentality some PC gamers are trying to show games like Shenmue and Heavy Rain are high-quality games that a lot of people would enjoy on the PC.

The thread backfired a little since the amount of technical problems on many PC games during release is also big (just think of GTA IV, Rage and the like), neither are they immune to frame drops and stutter/screen tearing.

Of course these problems may be reduced with patches and strong hardware.

[QUOTE="kaealy"][QUOTE="D4W1L4H"]

nameless12345

Am I the only one old enough to remember the time in PC gaming when the PC market was flooded with this kind of games and was the best thing since sliced bread?

You're not and despite the "do not want" mentality some PC gamers are trying to show games like Shenmue and Heavy Rain are high-quality games that a lot of people would enjoy on the PC.

The thread backfired a little since the amount of technical problems on many PC games during release is also big (just think of GTA IV, Rage and the like), neither are they immune to frame drops and stutter/screen tearing.

Of course these problems may be reduced with patches and strong hardware.

I haven't been gaming at that time,but as a PC-only gamer,I do consider games like Heavy Rain(and Two Souls) high-quality titles(played Heavy Rain),and would love more similiar experiences on the PC.Last game of that kind I played on my PC was Indigo Prophecy,and that was last Gen...

But about your other point,I disagree with the word "many".Of course there are some bad ports on the PC,but "many" is an overstatement,and they usually do get fixed quickly(GTA IV and RAGE were both fixed,for example).Today,there isn't a lot of games with notable technical problems on release.Your "and the like" wouldn't manage to go too far...

And just to remind you,console titles can also have shaky releases(Bayonetta,Skyrim,Fallout 3 on the PS3)...

[QUOTE="super600"]

I can't even tell if their's screentearing in a game.

waltefmoney

I can sometimes. But it's very hard, I don't know how people do it.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

Am I the only one old enough to remember the time in PC gaming when the PC market was flooded with this kind of games and was the best thing since sliced bread? Rocker6

You're not and despite the "do not want" mentality some PC gamers are trying to show games like Shenmue and Heavy Rain are high-quality games that a lot of people would enjoy on the PC.

The thread backfired a little since the amount of technical problems on many PC games during release is also big (just think of GTA IV, Rage and the like), neither are they immune to frame drops and stutter/screen tearing.

Of course these problems may be reduced with patches and strong hardware.

I haven't been gaming at that time,but as a PC-only gamer,I do consider games like Heavy Rain(and Two Souls) high-quality titles(played Heavy Rain),and would love more similiar experiences on the PC.Last game of that kind I played on my PC was Indigo Prophecy,and that was last Gen...

But about your other point,I disagree with the word "many".Of course there are some bad ports on the PC,but "many" is an overstatement,and they usually do get fixed quickly(GTA IV and RAGE were both fixed,for example).Today,there isn't a lot of games with notable technical problems on release.Your "and the like" wouldn't manage to go too far...

And just to remind you,console titles can also have shaky releases(Bayonetta,Skyrim,Fallout 3 on the PS3)...

Well, I can tell Arma 2 was a "unplaylable mess" during release and that was a PC exclusive.

There may be polished PC games during release but it's more of an exception than a rule. You usually have to wait for patches to fix the bugs and the like.

Blizzard and Valve's games are the bright exceptions here.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Thats pretty good.

Last gen both sony and MS had much much higher standards for game submissions. They publish anything in any state this gen.

Rocker6

Well the migration of PC developers to consoles has a lot to do with that.

You mean PC orriented developers like Epic,who created one of the most successful console franchises(GeOW)?

Yes. I'm not saying PC devs are bad, it's just they have a different way of doing things.

And of course to get as much of them as possible MS and Sony had to loosen up.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

You're not and despite the "do not want" mentality some PC gamers are trying to show games like Shenmue and Heavy Rain are high-quality games that a lot of people would enjoy on the PC.

The thread backfired a little since the amount of technical problems on many PC games during release is also big (just think of GTA IV, Rage and the like), neither are they immune to frame drops and stutter/screen tearing.

Of course these problems may be reduced with patches and strong hardware.

nameless12345

I haven't been gaming at that time,but as a PC-only gamer,I do consider games like Heavy Rain(and Two Souls) high-quality titles(played Heavy Rain),and would love more similiar experiences on the PC.Last game of that kind I played on my PC was Indigo Prophecy,and that was last Gen...

But about your other point,I disagree with the word "many".Of course there are some bad ports on the PC,but "many" is an overstatement,and they usually do get fixed quickly(GTA IV and RAGE were both fixed,for example).Today,there isn't a lot of games with notable technical problems on release.Your "and the like" wouldn't manage to go too far...

And just to remind you,console titles can also have shaky releases(Bayonetta,Skyrim,Fallout 3 on the PS3)...

Well, I can tell Arma 2 was a "unplaylable mess" during release and that was a PC exclusive.

There may be polished PC games during release but it's more of an exception than a rule. You usually have to wait for patches to fix the bugs and the like.

Blizzard and Valve's games are the bright exceptions here.

Am I the only one old enough to remember the time in PC gaming when the PC market was flooded with this kind of games and was the best thing since sliced bread? kaealy

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

You're not and despite the "do not want" mentality some PC gamers are trying to show games like Shenmue and Heavy Rain are high-quality games that a lot of people would enjoy on the PC.

The thread backfired a little since the amount of technical problems on many PC games during release is also big (just think of GTA IV, Rage and the like), neither are they immune to frame drops and stutter/screen tearing.

Of course these problems may be reduced with patches and strong hardware.

nameless12345

I haven't been gaming at that time,but as a PC-only gamer,I do consider games like Heavy Rain(and Two Souls) high-quality titles(played Heavy Rain),and would love more similiar experiences on the PC.Last game of that kind I played on my PC was Indigo Prophecy,and that was last Gen...

But about your other point,I disagree with the word "many".Of course there are some bad ports on the PC,but "many" is an overstatement,and they usually do get fixed quickly(GTA IV and RAGE were both fixed,for example).Today,there isn't a lot of games with notable technical problems on release.Your "and the like" wouldn't manage to go too far...

And just to remind you,console titles can also have shaky releases(Bayonetta,Skyrim,Fallout 3 on the PS3)...

Well, I can tell Arma 2 was a "unplaylable mess" during release and that was a PC exclusive.

There may be polished PC games during release but it's more of an exception than a rule. You usually have to wait for patches to fix the bugs and the like.

Blizzard and Valve's games are the bright exceptions here.

I disagree,most games like "AAA" multiplats on the PC get maybe 1-2 very small patches to iron out small glitches,while working perfectly fine out of the box.In fact,this Gen patching process is often identical on PC and consoles,both versions getting the same number of patches fixing similiar issues...

From my personal experience,I dealt with very few games that had noticeable technical issues on the PC.There are some,true,like bad ports you mentioned before,but I'd say those are in fact the exceptions,more than a rule.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Well the migration of PC developers to consoles has a lot to do with that.

waltefmoney

You mean PC orriented developers like Epic,who created one of the most successful console franchises(GeOW)?

Yes. I'm not saying PC devs are bad, it's just they have a different way of doing things.

And of course to get as much of them as possible MS and Sony had to loosen up.

And you don't think its much more plausible that they loosened the standards to be able to publish more games,recieving more publishing fees,and parts of the revenue that comes from every copy sold at retail?

Keep in mind,console makers both recieved huge losses on consoles this Gen,MS with RRoD,Sony with $599.Their bussiness model tries to fight those losses with game sales.And more games availible on the platform=more potential sales...

And you don't think its much more plausible that they loosened the standards to be able to publish more games,recieving more publishing fees,and parts of the revenue that comes from every copy sold at retail?

Keep in mind,console makers both recieved huge losses on consoles this Gen,MS with RRoD,Sony with $599.Their bussiness model tries to fight those losses with game sales.And more games availible on the platform=more potential sales...

Rocker6

Well considering how much bigger the PS2 library is than the PS3's it seems to not matter much.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

You mean PC orriented developers like Epic,who created one of the most successful console franchises(GeOW)?

Rocker6

Yes. I'm not saying PC devs are bad, it's just they have a different way of doing things.

And of course to get as much of them as possible MS and Sony had to loosen up.

And you don't think its much more plausible that they loosened the standards to be able to publish more games,recieving more publishing fees,and parts of the revenue that comes from every copy sold at retail?

Keep in mind,console makers both recieved huge losses on consoles this Gen,MS with RRoD,Sony with $599.Their bussiness model tries to fight those losses with game sales.And more games availible on the platform=more potential sales...

Actually, multiplats aren't that of an issue. PC exclusives tend to be more of an issue. For example Red Orchestra 2 was a bugged mess, as was Stalker.

Some PC games are almost ruined because of the bugs.

It's rare to see a PC exclusive with a polished, flawless release (the Total War and Blizzard games would fit that description).

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

You mean PC orriented developers like Epic,who created one of the most successful console franchises(GeOW)?

Rocker6

Yes. I'm not saying PC devs are bad, it's just they have a different way of doing things.

And of course to get as much of them as possible MS and Sony had to loosen up.

And you don't think its much more plausible that they loosened the standards to be able to publish more games,recieving more publishing fees,and parts of the revenue that comes from every copy sold at retail?

Keep in mind,console makers both recieved huge losses on consoles this Gen,MS with RRoD,Sony with $599.Their bussiness model tries to fight those losses with game sales.And more games availible on the platform=more potential sales...

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yes. I'm not saying PC devs are bad, it's just they have a different way of doing things.

And of course to get as much of them as possible MS and Sony had to loosen up.

nameless12345

And you don't think its much more plausible that they loosened the standards to be able to publish more games,recieving more publishing fees,and parts of the revenue that comes from every copy sold at retail?

Keep in mind,console makers both recieved huge losses on consoles this Gen,MS with RRoD,Sony with $599.Their bussiness model tries to fight those losses with game sales.And more games availible on the platform=more potential sales...

Actually, multiplats aren't that of an issue. PC exclusives tend to be more of an issue. For example Red Orchestra 2 was a bugged mess, as was Stalker.

Some PC games are almost ruined because of the bugs.

It's rare to see a PC exclusive with a polished, flawless release (the Total War and Blizzard games would fit that description).

With many modern PC exclusives,yes,in many cases,you do have a point...

Many modern PC exclusives are developed by smaller,indie studios on lower budgets,who sadly don't have enough money to do proper testing,so they have to rely on community feedback to fix the issues,although sometiemes the modder community itself creates patches(STALKER Complete Mods)...

Still,it's unfair to claim a PC exclusive is buggy just because it's a PC exclusive.In the end,the product state is defined mostly by the budget used.Games from Blizzard,Sega,Valve are built on larget budgets,so testing is not a problem,and it's obvious they're going to be more stable and polished than games like Mount & Blade,for example,made by smaller teams on severely limited budgets...

I prefer my console's, more games to play that actually interest me. Most PC games consist of RTS, MMO's, and Role Playing games with knights, dragons, and wizards which I have 0 interest in.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yes. I'm not saying PC devs are bad, it's just they have a different way of doing things.

And of course to get as much of them as possible MS and Sony had to loosen up.

lowe0

And you don't think its much more plausible that they loosened the standards to be able to publish more games,recieving more publishing fees,and parts of the revenue that comes from every copy sold at retail?

Keep in mind,console makers both recieved huge losses on consoles this Gen,MS with RRoD,Sony with $599.Their bussiness model tries to fight those losses with game sales.And more games availible on the platform=more potential sales...

Yeah,you're right,publishers hold a lot of influence in the gaming industry this Gen,much more than before...

Also,by MGO,I assume you're refering to Metal Gear On-line?

As a PC only,I haven't played it,but yeah,heard a lot of negative things about it...

Oh wow! :lol:

I like this thread.

[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]spongebob hit rock bottom once...so for gaming to get out of it is to use a balloon :)Zeviander

It must suck if you're a PC gamer only, you'll never be able to play these amazing games:

- Heavy Rain
- Beyond: Two Souls
- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
- God of War III
- God of War: Ascension
- Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
- Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
- The Last of Us
- Demon's Souls
- The Last Guardian
- Killzone 2
- Killzone 3
- Resistance: Fall of Man
- Resistance 2
- Resistance 3
- Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
- LittleBigPlanet
- LittleBigPlanet 2
- Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
- Starhawk
- Gran Turismo 5
- Twisted Metal
- Dust 514
- inFamous
- Infamous 2
- PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
- MotorStorm
- MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
- Motorstorm: Apocalypse

And more

gaming this gen has gone downhill to abysmal

pointless consolization

day one dlc

massive milkage

massive drm

realashing same game over and over with little improvements

consoles holding back pc

games realased in beta state

sony being copycat

nintendo being casual and even more gimmicky

trashy little mobile games getting lot of praise

full of whiny ragers and idiots in multiplayer games

forcing everything into multiplayer

horrible 1 colour tone art style

4 hours long campain.

17 fps is what alot of people get in Train Simulator 2012.

See MMORPG in "pay to play online", Ultima Online gets credit for that invention.

Games that play like movies? See Myst, Dragon's Lair, Space Ace etc

No screen tear = Vsync = mouse lag.

LMAO!

8/10, Awesome.

these two I think are bad examples.

Cause PC gaming has had Point and Click Games before Console

and

Did you forget about Portal 2 having Motion Controls?

LegatoSkyheart

It must suck if you're a PC gamer only, you'll never be able to play these amazing games:

- Heavy Rain
- Beyond: Two Souls
- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
- God of War III
- God of War: Ascension
- Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
- Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
- The Last of Us
- Demon's Souls
- The Last Guardian
- Killzone 2
- Killzone 3
- Resistance: Fall of Man
- Resistance 2
- Resistance 3
- Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
- LittleBigPlanet
- LittleBigPlanet 2
- Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
- Starhawk
- Gran Turismo 5
- Twisted Metal
- Dust 514
- inFamous
- Infamous 2
- PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
- MotorStorm
- MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
- Motorstorm: Apocalypse

And more

Davekeeh

every thing on that list happened at one time on pc's....and still happens for most of them.

It must suck if you're a PC gamer only, you'll never be able to play these amazing games:

- Heavy Rain
- Beyond: Two Souls
- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
- God of War III
- God of War: Ascension
- Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
- Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
- The Last of Us
- Demon's Souls
- The Last Guardian
- Killzone 2
- Killzone 3
- Resistance: Fall of Man
- Resistance 2
- Resistance 3
- Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
- LittleBigPlanet
- LittleBigPlanet 2
- Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
- Starhawk
- Gran Turismo 5
- Twisted Metal
- Dust 514
- inFamous
- Infamous 2
- PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
- MotorStorm
- MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
- Motorstorm: Apocalypse

And more

Davekeeh

meanwhile on pc using emulators

7 years later.