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#1 XturnalS
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I agree with pretty much everything Randy is saying, thoughts?

Sauce

He states "the PS3 is awesome. I think Valve...I don't know why they are doing that. It's weird. but yeah, the Playstation platform's really cool. It's different to others and it's certainly a challenge to be able to develop software for. But that's where the fun is, right?"

"I noticed something on the net not too long ago. Doug Lombardi (Valve's VP Marketing) had to take a swipe at the PS3 again, and I thought it was foolish. I read it the same way I read fanboys."


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#2 Javieralijandro
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valve sucks on xbox too anyways, pc users get free DLC
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#3 Legendaryscmt
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valve sucks on xbox too anyways, pc users get free DLCJavieralijandro

Valve isn't the one charging for the DLC on the 360...

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#4 Pixel-Pirate
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Valve is an incredibly overrated company.

"Valve truly cares about the gamers! Unless they are on PS3..."

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#6 nmaharg
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Valve is an incredibly overrated company.

"Valve truly cares about the gamers! Unless they are on PS3..."

Pixel-Pirate
Who calling out valve? As if gearbox matters.
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#7 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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valve sucks, just look at gabe newell you know he doesnt get any.InfiniteBlak

:lol: Post of the thread

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#8 Ace6301
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valve sucks, just look at gabe newell you know he doesnt get any.InfiniteBlak
Cause that's a good way to tell if a game company is good or not. But yeah Gabe could lose a few kilos lol.
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[QUOTE="Javieralijandro"]valve sucks on xbox too anyways, pc users get free DLCLegendaryscmt

Valve isn't the one charging for the DLC on the 360...

Valve could simply say no, why would microsfot control them? EA gives ps3 users free dlc, Brutal legend, Mirrors edge. Yet 360 owner have to pay for it, why is that? Just wondering, its not like there paying any of there publishing EA is doing that, so i should be able to control my pricing.

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#10 heysharpshooter
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Lol. Valve are probably under contract, or they may not like the PS3 platform for development.

I love how the PS3 fanboys come out and whine about how Valve sucks. Besides, Valve are first a foremost a PC developer, not a 360 one.

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#11 BioShockOwnz
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"Valve sucks..."

"Valve is overrated..."

"Valve sucks..."

Holy ****, am I in the twilight zone?

Anyways, I think it's time for Randy to stop crapping on Valve, Steam, etc. I like Randy and Gearbox, but enough is enough. They don't have the team at Valve. Let it go.

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#12 sikanderahmed
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Valve is lazy and extremely overrated, they dont develop for ps3 coz they are noob devs

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#13 Mr_Lube
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valve is a geek
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#14 nmaharg
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Valve is lazy and extremely overrated, they dont develop for ps3 coz they are noob devs

sikanderahmed
How are the overrated?
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

[QUOTE="Javieralijandro"]valve sucks on xbox too anyways, pc users get free DLCJavieralijandro

Valve isn't the one charging for the DLC on the 360...

Valve could simply say no, why would microsfot control them? EA gives ps3 users free dlc, Brutal legend, Mirrors edge. Yet 360 owner have to pay for it, why is that? Just wondering, its not like there paying any of there publishing EA is doing that, so i should be able to control my pricing.

If Valve says no, then 360 users simply don't get the content.

It's Microsoft's console, meaning that Microsoft gets the make all the (arbitrary :evil: )rules it wants.

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#16 heysharpshooter
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

Valve is lazy and extremely overrated, they dont develop for ps3 coz they are noob devs

nmaharg

How are the overrated?

Haven't you heard? Half-Life is for n00bs, Killzone is best.

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#17 navyguy21
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Valve is lazy and extremely overrated, they dont develop for ps3 coz they are noob devs

sikanderahmed
lol, way to be objective dude :P
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#18 Pinkyimp
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Meh.

Who cares about this guy?, he is almost as irrevelant as John Romero

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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

Valve is lazy and extremely overrated, they dont develop for ps3 coz they are noob devs

nmaharg

How are the overrated?

I'm thinking he was being sarcastic judging by his sig.

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#20 Javieralijandro
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Javieralijandro"]

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

Valve isn't the one charging for the DLC on the 360...

Valve could simply say no, why would microsfot control them? EA gives ps3 users free dlc, Brutal legend, Mirrors edge. Yet 360 owner have to pay for it, why is that? Just wondering, its not like there paying any of there publishing EA is doing that, so i should be able to control my pricing.

If Valve says no, then 360 users simply don't get the content.

It's Microsoft's console, meaning that Microsoft gets the make all the (arbitrary :evil:) rules it wants.

ouch, that sucks why would a company do that? Don't you want them ro return/ increase fan base.
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#21 Legendaryscmt
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[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]

[QUOTE="Javieralijandro"]valve sucks on xbox too anyways, pc users get free DLCJavieralijandro

Valve isn't the one charging for the DLC on the 360...

Valve could simply say no, why would microsfot control them? EA gives ps3 users free dlc, Brutal legend, Mirrors edge. Yet 360 owner have to pay for it, why is that? Just wondering, its not like there paying any of there publishing EA is doing that, so i should be able to control my pricing.

Because Microsoft wants more money. When it comes to XBL, Valve doesn't have a choice in the matter if Microsoft wants to charge; MS's way or the highway. After all, it is Microsoft's system and their online service. Sony could do the same exact thing if they wanted to.

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#22 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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Meh.

Who cares about this guy?, he is almost as irrevelant as John Romero

Pinkyimp

Who?

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#23 spinecaton
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[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"]

Meh.

Who cares about this guy?, he is almost as irrevelant as John Romero

bez2083

Who?

Guy behind Quake and Doom

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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Valve is an incredibly overrated company.

"Valve truly cares about the gamers! Unless they are on PS3..."

nmaharg
Who calling out valve? As if gearbox matters.

The ironic thing is Valve is responsible for putting Gearbox on the map given that Gearbox made a name for themselves with the fantastic Opposing Force expansion for Half Life.
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#25 ManicAce
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Oh looks who's talking, Gearbox! The big man himself. :lol: Didn't Borderlands release with a broken online on PS3? Maybe Valve don't want to tarnish their reputation with crap like that. And yeah Steam is so evil and selfish, I'm sure he hated having Borderlands on the most selling list... Valve ain't obligated to release their games on every system, not everyone else does either whether it's PS3 or PC left out. Sound like he's just bitter Valve didn't get Gearbox port L4D to consoles like they've done before.
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#26 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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[QUOTE="bez2083"]

[QUOTE="Pinkyimp"]

Meh.

Who cares about this guy?, he is almost as irrevelant as John Romero

spinecaton

Who?

Guy behind Quake and Doom

Oh, so then who's the guy who builds rocketships in his spare time who's also a game developer? John ..............something.

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#27 G-O-M-J
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its none of his business what valve does
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#28 Pinkyimp
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[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

Who?

bez2083

Guy behind Quake and Doom

Oh, so then who's the guy who builds rocketships in his spare time who's also a game developer? John ..............something.

That's John Carmack. Romero was the one that went to Ion Storm and developed daikatana which completely flopped, he currently is at SlipGate Ironworks, which has yet to release a game...
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#29 GulliversTravel
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valve sucks, just look at gabe newell you know he doesnt get any.InfiniteBlak
With the money hes got, it more than makes up for his deficiencies:?
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#30 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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[QUOTE="bez2083"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Guy behind Quake and Doom

Pinkyimp

Oh, so then who's the guy who builds rocketships in his spare time who's also a game developer? John ..............something.

That's John Carmack. Romero was the one that went to Ion Storm and developed daikatana which completely flopped, he currently is at SlipGate Ironworks, which has yet to release a game...

Carmack, that's it! Thanks.

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#31 SolidTy
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I agree with pretty much everything Randy is saying, thoughts?

Sauce

He states "the PS3 is awesome. I think Valve...I don't know why they are doing that. It's weird. but yeah, the Playstation platform's really cool. It's different to others and it's certainly a challenge to be able to develop software for. But that's where the fun is, right?"


XturnalS

Gabe Newell, the co-founder and managing director of Valve hated the PS2, and he hated the PS3, I think at this stage in the game, it's just pride. Eh, whatever.

He can do whatever he wants with his company, it's a free country.

Still, good for Gearbox for calling out their peers.

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#32 Dystopian-X
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I guess I should call out Gearbox for not including steam cloud in Borderlands instead of that mediocre gamespy service.

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#33 TREY_FOR_LI4E
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I agree with Gearbox on this. When it comes to working on something outside of the PC format and outside their own source engine, Valve doesn't have a clue about what they're doing.

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#34 carljohnson3456
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I personally think Valve is a bit overrated... Their games are good, but I dont think they are really godly or anything. With that said, Valve can develop on any console they wanna.
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#35 AcidSoldner
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Dude, Gearbox FTW.

This makes me so happy that devs have been giving the PS3 a lot of love lately. This and Bioware's praise of the PS3 (the thread is here on SW) shows that only incompetant devs can't make a good port to the PS3. Don't get me wrong, I love the 360 but there has been to much undeeded hate for the PS3 platform from devs.

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#36 Animal-Mother
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Lol. Valve are probably under contract, or they may not like the PS3 platform for development.

I love how the PS3 fanboys come out and whine about how Valve sucks. Besides, Valve are first a foremost a PC developer, not a 360 one.

heysharpshooter
I don't think valve sucks. But hell it is incredibly lazy to go "this is to hard to develop for and a waste of time" when other developers are taking chances.
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#37 ogvampire
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valve does some of the best FPS's in the industry... if they only want to work on PC and 360 cause of the similar architecture, then thats fine. its their decision... they know they are missing a chance to make more money... but maybe they want to send a message to Sony to not have set up such complicated programming for the ps3.... and ps2

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#38 finalfantasy94
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All I would like from them is L4D. I dont get on my 360 cause i refuse to pay for live again. I dont mind the calling out its a free country after all. I wonder if valve will comment on it.

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#39 Animal-Mother
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valve does some of the best FPS's in the industry... if they only want to work on PC and 360 cause of the similar architecture, then thats fine. its their decision... they know they are missing a chance to make more money... but maybe they want to send a message to Sony to not have set up such complicated programming for the ps3.... and ps2

ogvampire
Lulz the PS2 was complicated? That's why it produced some AMAZING games last gen right?>
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#40 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Lol. Valve are probably under contract, or they may not like the PS3 platform for development.

I love how the PS3 fanboys come out and whine about how Valve sucks. Besides, Valve are first a foremost a PC developer, not a 360 one.

Animal-Mother
I don't think valve sucks. But hell it is incredibly lazy to go "this is to hard to develop for and a waste of time" when other developers are taking chances.

To be fair, if they dont think the PS3 will be profitable for them, ya cant really blame 'em. I personally think they just dont like Sony to be honest. No conspiracy theory here, but Gabe Newell has publicly proclaimed his hate for the PS3 since launch.
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#41 delta3074
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Lol. Valve are probably under contract, or they may not like the PS3 platform for development.

I love how the PS3 fanboys come out and whine about how Valve sucks. Besides, Valve are first a foremost a PC developer, not a 360 one.

heysharpshooter
it's abit more than that, it's loyalty to MS, gabe newell produced several versions of windows,Microsoft made him a millionaire, he used a lot of that money to start valve off, with half life 1, microsoft has always supported valve, so it's pretty much loyalty to his former company.
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#42 ogvampire
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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

valve does some of the best FPS's in the industry... if they only want to work on PC and 360 cause of the similar architecture, then thats fine. its their decision... they know they are missing a chance to make more money... but maybe they want to send a message to Sony to not have set up such complicated programming for the ps3.... and ps2

Animal-Mother

Lulz the PS2 was complicated? That's why it produced some AMAZING games last gen right?>

according to some devs, yes.

the point is that you could have gotten the same results whether or not its complicated...

all 'complicated' means is that it will take some more time to learn or develop for it

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#43 Mr_Lube
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[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Lol. Valve are probably under contract, or they may not like the PS3 platform for development.

I love how the PS3 fanboys come out and whine about how Valve sucks. Besides, Valve are first a foremost a PC developer, not a 360 one.

I don't think valve sucks. But hell it is incredibly lazy to go "this is to hard to develop for and a waste of time" when other developers are taking chances.

To be fair, if they dont think the PS3 will be profitable for them, ya cant really blame 'em. I personally think they just dont like Sony to be honest. No conspiracy theory here, but Gabe Newell has publicly proclaimed his hate for the PS3 since launch.

i would have bioware over valve on ps3 anyday anyways. its like a dream come true, the 360/pc's best dev is now excited to work on the PS3!
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#44 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

valve does some of the best FPS's in the industry... if they only want to work on PC and 360 cause of the similar architecture, then thats fine. its their decision... they know they are missing a chance to make more money... but maybe they want to send a message to Sony to not have set up such complicated programming for the ps3.... and ps2

Animal-Mother
Lulz the PS2 was complicated? That's why it produced some AMAZING games last gen right?>

I think Ted Price has even been quoted as saying the PS3 is easier to develop for than the PS2. I've also heard devs say that neither console was hard to develop for, but just different to develop for.
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#45 TintedEyes
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They are overrated but I don't hate them just because they don't develop on PS3.
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#46 ShadowriverUB
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valve does some of the best FPS's in the industry... if they only want to work on PC and 360 cause of the similar architecture, then thats fine. its their decision... they know they are missing a chance to make more money... but maybe they want to send a message to Sony to not have set up such complicated programming for the ps3.... and ps2ogvampire

Well i think that problem here is a lack of DirectX in PS3, so Valve nerver gonna like the fact that they need to bulid two version of rendering engine for each rendering lib (DX and OpenGL)

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#47 Nidget
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Maybe Valve just dont want to develop for the PS3? Can anyone attack them for that? Its not like they owe cows anything, despite what cows always think :roll: Also, I dont think Gearbox is in a position to talk after is launched Borderlands in a broken state on the PS3.
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#48 LiquidSnake1001
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Who does this guy think he is?, I saw him on the bonus round telling Bungie how to interact with the community and now he thinks he can slag of valve. Why doesn't he worry about his own company which has made two of the most boring games I've played this generation.
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#49 Generalmojo
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i honestly dont want those ######s making a game on the trey!

if they never done it from the start well then screw you valve, stick with microsoft, beacuse thats pretty much who they are.

ps3 is doing well without them.

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#50 TREY_FOR_LI4E
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Maybe Valve just dont want to develop for the PS3? Can anyone attack them for that? Its not like they owe cows anything, despite what cows always think :roll: Also, I dont think Gearbox is in a position to talk after is launched Borderlands in a broken state on the PS3.Nidget

Valve can keep their overrated games. They wouldn't know how to make a good PS3 game anyway.