Gears Of War 2 will flop.

I don't care what this game gets. It's going to be one of the three games I'm getting on the day of release.SOedipus

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Despite the multiple previews that have been written stating how Gears of War 2 looks even better than the first, you honestly think it's logical to assume that it'll look worse?

Forgive me if I can't see the logic anywhere in that assumption.

mephisto_11

Well I have eyes and I didn't see improvements, I can post a screenshot just to show you how awful looking the game became.

And how about the environment? do you really think they presented the game well enough for people in their videos? because all I saw is Gears 1 with little bit open world.

alright stop, no matter what people say most of the time (and in this case) the games of this gen don't look awful, gears doesn't look awful at all, u need to get ur eyes checked.

i actually agree it looks awful.

/sarcasm

:? the first two pics are touched up, the last two looks washed up.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Despite the multiple previews that have been written stating how Gears of War 2 looks even better than the first, you honestly think it's logical to assume that it'll look worse?

Forgive me if I can't see the logic anywhere in that assumption.

credibilityzero

Well I have eyes and I didn't see improvements, I can post a screenshot just to show you how awful looking the game became.

And how about the environment? do you really think they presented the game well enough for people in their videos? because all I saw is Gears 1 with little bit open world.

alright stop, no matter what people say most of the time (and in this case) the games of this gen don't look awful, gears doesn't look awful at all, u need to get ur eyes checked.

It is awful compared to Gears 1.

the top pic is from gears 1..... fail

[QUOTE="mephisto_11"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Despite the multiple previews that have been written stating how Gears of War 2 looks even better than the first, you honestly think it's logical to assume that it'll look worse?

Forgive me if I can't see the logic anywhere in that assumption.

credibilityzero

Well I have eyes and I didn't see improvements, I can post a screenshot just to show you how awful looking the game became.

And how about the environment? do you really think they presented the game well enough for people in their videos? because all I saw is Gears 1 with little bit open world.

alright stop, no matter what people say most of the time (and in this case) the games of this gen don't look awful, gears doesn't look awful at all, u need to get ur eyes checked.

i actually agree it looks awful.

/sarcasm

:? the first two pics are touched up, the last two looks washed up.

wrong the first three pics are low quality rips from the bonus content on ut3. its from a gameplay video.

the fourth pic is the only pic touched up but it only has added AA.

[QUOTE="mephisto_11"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Despite the multiple previews that have been written stating how Gears of War 2 looks even better than the first, you honestly think it's logical to assume that it'll look worse?

Forgive me if I can't see the logic anywhere in that assumption.

credibilityzero

Well I have eyes and I didn't see improvements, I can post a screenshot just to show you how awful looking the game became.

And how about the environment? do you really think they presented the game well enough for people in their videos? because all I saw is Gears 1 with little bit open world.

alright stop, no matter what people say most of the time (and in this case) the games of this gen don't look awful, gears doesn't look awful at all, u need to get ur eyes checked.

i actually agree it looks awful.

/sarcasm

:? the first two pics are touched up, the last two looks washed up.

ALL of those screen shots are gameplay including the first two.

TC Gears 2 doesnt look worse, plain and simple. Before they made the game look worse, Epic would have just used the exact same engine and made it look the same... which I think it does, but apparently it is supposed to even look better.

So why dont we wait until the game comes out (which won best graphics at E3 this year from some websites) before we start judging it.

If Gears 2 cant get AAA, then nothing will this Christmas.

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be more open than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

credibilityzero

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I wish you put more thought in a topic before you decide to pst it.lawlessx

I wish you explain more to know what you didn't agree with.

The game does look worse, this thread needs a screenshot to remind people.

As for the gameplay, just like I said, adding more players online is alot better experience than adding new modes, don't you think?

good thing Epic did both :|

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I wish you put more thought in a topic before you decide to pst it.Microsoft1234

I wish you explain more to know what you didn't agree with.

The game does look worse, this thread needs a screenshot to remind people.

As for the gameplay, just like I said, adding more players online is alot better experience than adding new modes, don't you think?

wow not at all adding more people helps in some cases, but for the most part just ruins the experience, example tf2-having 16 people is way too many, but 12 or 10 is the right amount, on the other hand new modes create even more replay......id rather be able to play ctf, king of the hill, etc then have to play deathmatch every time although gears 1 did that very nicely

The maps were empty when I played online because there wasn't alot of players to cover the empty space, it was boring the idea to search for other players for almost minutes to find someone to shoot at.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]I wish you put more thought in a topic before you decide to pst it.credibilityzero

I wish you explain more to know what you didn't agree with.

The game does look worse, this thread needs a screenshot to remind people.

As for the gameplay, just like I said, adding more players online is alot better experience than adding new modes, don't you think?

good thing Epic did both :|

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

....ok...so you didnt even know that that gears of war 2 was 5v5 and you just assumed Epic added 1 more player?

talk about some serious selfownage.

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

credibilityzero

Or, maybe Epic has realized that more does not equal better and is happy with just adding one player to each side.

The game looks awesome and the first gears is still one of the best looking games out there to this day.If they dont improve on the graphics thats fine with me because the first was gorgeous.As far as it flopping i dont think so.Everyone i know has it preorderd and im sure there are a few more people out there that are getting it as well.If u dont like the game than u just dont like it ,so just let people get it and dont worry about it.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be moreopen than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

DeadSpaceXIII

Gears 1: http://i38.tinypic.com/2ymce4p.jpg

Gears 2: http://i37.tinypic.com/a9ssuc.jpg

Its a huge improvement visually, and MGS4 is more open the MGS3. That didn't make MGS4 bad. That logic is stupid.

Gameplay: The gameplay for most sequels don't change. Resistance 2 has no new gameplay. Just a different game with new weapons better graphics and a different environment.

Their are new features for Gears 2 online.

Environment: http://i35.tinypic.com/zjihr7.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2rz6zac.jpg

Yeah those are nice environments buddy.

I hate when people assume games like Fable 2, Gears 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and LittleBigPlanet will flop. Most likely NONE of them will flop based off of previews and the praise critics give these games beforehand. I don't see anybody making theads about multi games like Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, and Saints 2 flopping.

Don't put words on my mouth.

And your comparison doesn't help, I mean Gears 1 vs Gears 2, I don't see any improvements, only better lighting which is covering the graphics.

None of those aspects hurt Halo so why should it matter for Gears.

Its funny how much it takes to satisfy you guys. Some of you stated that reviewers should review a game as if it's they're first time being introduced to the series and yet contradict yourselves with stuff like this. Those who agree with this should be ashamed anyways...

....ok...so you didnt even know that that gears of war 2 was 5v5 and you just assumed Epic added 1 more player?

talk about some serious selfownage.

lawlessx

Wait, what? lol, Gears was 4v4 and gears 2 will have 5v5, so if you are nitpicking that much then I'll make it more precise and say they have added 1 more player to each side.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

....ok...so you didnt even know that that gears of war 2 was 5v5 and you just assumed Epic added 1 more player?

talk about some serious selfownage.

credibilityzero

Wait, what? lol, Gears was 4v4 and gears 2 will have 5v5, so if you are nitpicking that much then I'll make it more precise and say they have added 1 more player to each side.

so when you were talking about balancing the online component?you meant by making it 6v6 instead of 5v5?

please explain..how is making it 6v6 anymore balanced than 5v5?

Resistance 2 is going to flop bit time then.

Those screen-shots actually look great. From those two side by side Gears 1 & 2 shots, you can see a difference. From Gears 1 the environment looks dark and kinda bland. On the Gears 2 screen-shot you can see they improved the lighting so you can see more detail.

I think your a fanboy getting angry over a game you cannot play because it seems that no matter what people say, you'll always hate Gears of War.

gears of war 2 will never work with more than 5v5. the game is just not made that way. you absorb too much damage and die quickly in gears which is the reason why its a cover based third person shooter with few players/enemies at a time. play gears 1 on insane and dont use cover while there's 2-3 enemies on screen. you will get raped. but it's pretty obvious from your fanboy rant that you've never played gears.

mephisto_11

I rather have the option to play 8v8 more than forcing us to play in big maps with only 5v5 nomatter what is the game style, look at a game like R6 Vegas, it is more tactical and more damage consuming and still has more players on screen and still is alot of fun.

[QUOTE="mephisto_11"]

gears of war 2 will never work with more than 5v5. the game is just not made that way. you absorb too much damage and die quickly in gears which is the reason why its a cover based third person shooter with few players/enemies at a time. play gears 1 on insane and dont use cover while there's 2-3 enemies on screen. you will get raped. but it's pretty obvious from your fanboy rant that you've never played gears.

credibilityzero

I rather have the option to play 8v8 more than forcing us to play in big maps with only 5v5 nomatter what is the game style, look at a game like R6 Vegas, it is more tactical and more damage consuming and still has more players on screen and still is alot of fun.

8 v 8 wouldn't work in gears, and the more i hear you say this type of stuff, the less i believe you've played it, i mean maybe one map it would work but it would work pretty bad.

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

The_Game21x

Or, maybe Epic has realized that more does not equal better and is happy with just adding one player to each side.

Didn't like the online, it was average at best because of the lack of players.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

credibilityzero

Or, maybe Epic has realized that more does not equal better and is happy with just adding one player to each side.

Didn't like the online, it was average at best because of the lack of players.

what do u mean lack of players? as in not enough people played it? and 4 v 4 worked really well, but 5 v 5 works too.

[QUOTE="mephisto_11"]

gears of war 2 will never work with more than 5v5. the game is just not made that way. you absorb too much damage and die quickly in gears which is the reason why its a cover based third person shooter with few players/enemies at a time. play gears 1 on insane and dont use cover while there's 2-3 enemies on screen. you will get raped. but it's pretty obvious from your fanboy rant that you've never played gears.

credibilityzero

I rather have the option to play 8v8 more than forcing us to play in big maps with only 5v5 nomatter what is the game style, look at a game like R6 Vegas, it is more tactical and more damage consuming and still has more players on screen and still is alot of fun.

now im starting to believe you've never even played gears of war muiplayer

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

credibilityzero

Or, maybe Epic has realized that more does not equal better and is happy with just adding one player to each side.

Didn't like the online, it was average at best because of the lack of players.

r u serious...r u sure you played gears 1.......the maps were tailored to 4v4 size matches ....anything more prob would of been a lil too much

[QUOTE="DeadSpaceXIII"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be moreopen than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

credibilityzero

Gears 1: http://i38.tinypic.com/2ymce4p.jpg

Gears 2: http://i37.tinypic.com/a9ssuc.jpg

Its a huge improvement visually, and MGS4 is more open the MGS3. That didn't make MGS4 bad. That logic is stupid.

Gameplay: The gameplay for most sequels don't change. Resistance 2 has no new gameplay. Just a different game with new weapons better graphics and a different environment.

Their are new features for Gears 2 online.

Environment: http://i35.tinypic.com/zjihr7.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2rz6zac.jpg

Yeah those are nice environments buddy.

I hate when people assume games like Fable 2, Gears 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and LittleBigPlanet will flop. Most likely NONE of them will flop based off of previews and the praise critics give these games beforehand. I don't see anybody making theads about multi games like Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, and Saints 2 flopping.

Don't put words on my mouth.

And your comparison doesn't help, I mean Gears 1 vs Gears 2, I don't see any improvements, only better lighting which is covering the graphics.

That's a new one. The better lighting covers the graphics.

You have got to be kidding me...

a lot of people claim the no innovation thing is bad but really i only see it as bad when it's a sports game or it's a series with another 10 games down the line.

look up god of war 2? excellent game "bu... but whars teh innovationz?!"
god of war 2 fits the "bigger, badder, and more badass" description cliffyB gave gears 2

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="DeadSpaceXIII"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be more open than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

DeadSpaceXIII

Gears 1: http://i38.tinypic.com/2ymce4p.jpg

Gears 2: http://i37.tinypic.com/a9ssuc.jpg

Its a huge improvement visually, and MGS4 is more open the MGS3. That didn't make MGS4 bad. That logic is stupid.

Gameplay: The gameplay for most sequels don't change. Resistance 2 has no new gameplay. Just a different game with new weapons better graphics and a different environment.

Their are new features for Gears 2 online.

Environment: http://i35.tinypic.com/zjihr7.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2rz6zac.jpg

Yeah those are nice environments buddy.

I hate when people assume games like Fable 2, Gears 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and LittleBigPlanet will flop. Most likely NONE of them will flop based off of previews and the praise critics give these games beforehand. I don't see anybody making theads about multi games like Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, and Saints 2 flopping.

Don't put words on my mouth.

And your comparison doesn't help, I mean Gears 1 vs Gears 2, I don't see any improvements, only better lighting which is covering the graphics.

Next time word your posts better, there is a difference when you say "That didn't make MGS4 bad" and "That didn't make MGS4 look bad".

[QUOTE="credibilityzero"][QUOTE="DeadSpaceXIII"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be moreopen than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

The_Game21x

Gears 1: http://i38.tinypic.com/2ymce4p.jpg

Gears 2: http://i37.tinypic.com/a9ssuc.jpg

Its a huge improvement visually, and MGS4 is more open the MGS3. That didn't make MGS4 bad. That logic is stupid.

Gameplay: The gameplay for most sequels don't change. Resistance 2 has no new gameplay. Just a different game with new weapons better graphics and a different environment.

Their are new features for Gears 2 online.

Environment: http://i35.tinypic.com/zjihr7.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2rz6zac.jpg

Yeah those are nice environments buddy.

I hate when people assume games like Fable 2, Gears 2, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, and LittleBigPlanet will flop. Most likely NONE of them will flop based off of previews and the praise critics give these games beforehand. I don't see anybody making theads about multi games like Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, and Saints 2 flopping.

Don't put words on my mouth.

And your comparison doesn't help, I mean Gears 1 vs Gears 2, I don't see any improvements, only better lighting which is covering the graphics.

That's a new one. The better lighting covers the graphics.

You have got to be kidding me...

I meant textures, typo.

I like many others doubt you've ever played Gears 1 when you keep talking about numbers. Gears is a tactical TPS = Not run and gun (or atleast wont be anymore, damn you shotgun) and 4 players suits it perfectly, anymore than 6v6 and the game would be mayhem and not alot of fun. Even Halo 2/3 is much better in 4v4 as its the most competitive gametype for that game.

So what is it with you fanboys thinking more automatically equals better, i've played BF2, Resistance, PDZ and many other big number MP shooters and sure it worked well for some (BF2) but i cant say i ever seen Resistance or PDZ as more than a frag fest unless they were played with lower numbered matches which made them alot better IMO and alot more tactical.

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be more open than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

credibilityzero

zero credibility

Let me have the honor to justify my prediction with some logical reasons.

Let us compare the first game to the second.

Graphically it doesn't look much better, in a matter of fact it looks worse because it will be more open than the first which is good but bad for graphics.

***Graphically, the game doesn't HAVE to even look better. It is teh best looking console game behind Uncharted, BUT Gears 2 does bring it up a notch. Destructable cover, more enemies on screen, bigger battles, bigger vistas, better lighting, etc. Look at the E3 2008 demo, the level looked amazing. Gears recieved IGNs best graphics of E3 award. You=Phail.

Gameplay it is almost the same, taking hostage in shooter game is pointless there is no need for this feature at all, it will be useless so they are adding some useless gimmicks to make people believe that is better than the first game.

***What new features does Resistance or Killzone bring gameplay wise? Its the same old same old, right? Fact is, Gears is a sequel, and if the gameplay was radically different it WOULDN'T BE A SEQUEL, fans would go crazy. Luckily, Epic has added crawling when bleeding out, re-ramped weapons(smoke nades, hammerburst, lancer, etc.) and added mroe weapons (gorgon pistol, flamethrower). Oh yeah, grabbing a dead guys body for cover is important because the main focus of Gears is... COVER! Now you have a moveable cover.

Something reviewers made no comment about is the environment, it looks the same in the first gears and it looks the same in the second game, going from location to another doesn't change much, they should make some variety in locations.

***IGN gave Gears the best graphics of E3 award. Better than Killzone 2. Look at the videos, Gears looks amazing.

Adding only one more player for the online is not an achievement unlocked.

***Two more actually, one per team.

They are adding a story and this is the only thing that will be new to the game.

AA for this game.

What do you think?

credibilityzero

I think, You=Fail.

No it won't flop. You can quote me on that.

Geow2 is one of my most anticipated titles this year, so I really hope Epic does a great job and delivers a great game which many will enjoy....

people shouldnt be happy when games flop because its only the gamers who loose, since the choice of great games on offer is reduced :(

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="credibilityzero"]

You didn't get what I mean, adding one more player is justification for the online ? are you serious?

They should've balanced the online component by adding more than one player.

credibilityzero

Or, maybe Epic has realized that more does not equal better and is happy with just adding one player to each side.

Didn't like the online, it was average at best because of the lack of players.

So what are you on here for? If you didn't like the first one then your credibility is nill on fairly judging the second. Of course you won't like it because you already don't like the formula. Also, you must be BLIND to not see an improvement in graphics. This whole conversation is stupid anyway. People post screen shots and you say "no difference." Wow, how enlightening. You won't be convinced so why bother?

gears of war 2 has the same chance of flopping as a bear learning to read english.mephisto_11

do you know how many times we've heard that about other games only to have them flop?

[QUOTE="mephisto_11"]gears of war 2 has the same chance of flopping as a bear learning to read english.CaseyWegner

do you know how many times we've heard that about other games only to have them flop?

you're being too cautious. if it flops im going to train a bear to read english. problem solved :D

[QUOTE="shahchip"]

[QUOTE="Il_Exile_lI"][QUOTE="shahchip"]

So are you saying

Solve: A = Good points

5/etc. A = Gears of War 1 = Gooooooooooooooooooood

5A + 3A/etc. = Gears of Flop 2 = Nooooooooooooooooo?

credibilityzero

WHAT?????

A good game + Good new features = Bad sequel?

What are the good new features?

If you don't know... then why are you even posting about the game? Oh sry I forgot you're a trolling fanboy.

I'll say it wont flop at all since there are already more than numerous Gears fans.

Whether it looks different than the first one or not it's debateable but it doesnt matter.

First game was great. I just got it for my PC and it looks incredibly good on a high-end machine.

Also the chainsaw butchering just dont get any less entertaining even after the 100th time.