Gears of War: Horrible Plot

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"] but don't mistake that for a "horrible plot".moose_knuckler

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]Yeah. So what? The stories in those movies (save Raiders) aren't great.DarkLink77

It made me sad. Apparently I'm not supposed to want good stories in my games.

It's sad, but hey they're in the same group as people who preach Transformers defence with the logic that criticising it for its obvious faults (and focus etc.) is invalid because 'they wanted to see cg robots fight'.

Not a very valuable perspective.

The people who babble about games or anything like that, well they don't really care enough about games enoughto notice.

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="Crysis333"] Warning: Leaked spoilers. [spoiler] His father states he's been captured by the locust queen, and she's forcing him to use the maelstrom device to kill the lambent and humans. Imulsion is currently killing the planet. So "I've got to find him" is a reference to the fact he's got to find the locust queen and where she's currently holding him. [Azura]. [/spoiler] Crysis333

Well as usual SWarriors will jump all over "Uncharted doezn't have teh storiez either" but it's a good story for what it is. It's not trying to win any Oscars or anything. Gears however can't figure out what it is. It also can't figure out if its characters even have a personality.

Bottom line... Uncharted is better for single player in every aspect including story and characters. End of discussion.

I find the Gears story good and compelling.

Gears 1 was basically the squad in enemies lines kind of thing, not much depth, and gave hints and tidbits at what happened and who are these people.

Gears 2, I found the story to be good, charecters more interesting and emotonal, a few bumps (I dont care for Dom moment either way, however that is an important moment and changes his charecter in the third) dont stop summer blockster esque tale in its tracks.

I believe the third will step up its game and give us a very satisfying story, it has only been improving.

Though I seem to be one of a few that enjoy the Gearsverse here.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"] However they're good films, basic and well told without many inconsistencies. Uncharted however has massive inconsistencies and they lie largely in the game mechanics conflicting with the way the game and its characters are written. Seriously, our supposed likeable 'every man' Indiana-Malcolm- Reynolds-Jones is a mass murdering super machine, whos defining trait is killing, next to adventuring. Which is an inherit problem alas, and Naughty Dog really, really try hard to make villains as moustache twirling evil as possible to make it more believable - at the expense of the villains depth in character, which in turn affects the plot.skrat_01

It made me sad. Apparently I'm not supposed to want good stories in my games.

It's sad, but hey they're in the same group as people who preach Transformers defence with the logic that criticising it for its obvious faults (and focus etc.) is invalid because 'they wanted to see cg robots fight'.

Not a very valuable perspective.

The people who babble about games or anything like that, well they don't really care enough about games enoughto notice.

I find the Gears story good and compelling.

Gears 1 was basically the squad in enemies lines kind of thing, not much depth, and gave hints and tidbits at what happened and who are these people.

Gears 2, I found the story to be good, charecters more interesting and emotonal, a few bumps (I dont care for Dom moment either way, however that is an important moment and changes his charecter in the third) dont stop summer blockster esque tale in its tracks.

I believe the third will step up its game and give us a very satisfying story, it has only been improving.

Though I seem to be one of a few that enjoy the Gearsverse here.

Bardock47

It's hard to accept any story regardless of quality with characters that are bland and unlikeable.

Hey, I have never actually finished the gears of war campaigns untill last week... and all I got to say is wow, just wow... is it just me or is the gears of war plot kinda... bad? Personally I very do much enjoy the story in a game, how the hell is gears going to compete with uncharted with THIS garbadge of a plot? and I know graphics, gameplay, sound etc matter too but IMO Uncharted was good in most of these aspects including story.... how will meatheads on steroids compete with uncharted in the story department?

dracolich55

The story is lousy in most games, but gears just fails from a storytelling standpoint.

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

I find the Gears story good and compelling.

Gears 1 was basically the squad in enemies lines kind of thing, not much depth, and gave hints and tidbits at what happened and who are these people.

Gears 2, I found the story to be good, charecters more interesting and emotonal, a few bumps (I dont care for Dom moment either way, however that is an important moment and changes his charecter in the third) dont stop summer blockster esque tale in its tracks.

I believe the third will step up its game and give us a very satisfying story, it has only been improving.

Though I seem to be one of a few that enjoy the Gearsverse here.

SteamedBennet

It's hard to accept any story regardless of quality with characters that are bland and unlikeable.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, I said the same thing in a thread the other day. The response I got was, "WHADDYA EXPECT ITZ A VIDJA GAEM, BRAH."

It made me sad. Apparently I'm not supposed to want good stories in my games.

Bardock47

It's sad, but hey they're in the same group as people who preach Transformers defence with the logic that criticising it for its obvious faults (and focus etc.) is invalid because 'they wanted to see cg robots fight'.

Not a very valuable perspective.

The people who babble about games or anything like that, well they don't really care enough about games enoughto notice.

Even BLOP's horrible silly Manchurian candidate wannabe was pretty bad. The problem is the characters are cardboard cutouts, the plots are nonsensical and ludicrous while the developers try to play it straight faced contentiously, and there's barely development of anything - just moments where stuff happens to frame action sequences, some of which are relevent to progessing the 'mystery'.

And for a shallow game about going from A to B shooting people, well it functions okay, and the action sequences are generally competently framed as a result. I have to give them credit for attempting something different.

Now alot of this boils down to writers and designers being on completely different pages, and the designers who are supposed to be creating a narrative not exploring decent fiction outside of walking into another blockbuster movie. Which is the bane of video games in general, and why there is still such reliance on tired cut scenes to develop anything to do with a plot. Instead COD has first person non intractable ones. Sigh.

Seriously, we learn more about the characters in TF2 personalities just from their animations, model, mechanical functionality and voice samples then we did about the professionally voice acted Mason, who has a seven hour story devoted to him in the entire duration of BLOPS.

It's a bit astounding.

Not to say you shouldn't find them enjoyable though, nor should 'all games adhere to the golden rules of good writing' not at all, however when trying to tell a compelling plot, it's worth a look.

For what its worth unlike Transformers films none of the COD games rams useless elements down your throat constantly (characters, scenes etc.) to pad moments between the action. Though No Russian was pretty monumentally bad.

[QUOTE="Crysis333"][QUOTE="hoosier7"] Great, doesn't change how i feel about it though. I'll tell you exactly what i thought the first time i saw that trailer. "Really? You couldn't think of anything more creative than bringing the father into things?". Maybe you'll enjoy it but it makes me feel they couldn't come up with anything better.hoosier7

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="Crysis333"] Really, how about the lambent? His father is included because he's the creator of the maelstrom device, hammer of dawn and light mass bomb. Crysis333

It's not very genericCrysis333

[QUOTE="SteamedBennet"]

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

I find the Gears story good and compelling.

Gears 1 was basically the squad in enemies lines kind of thing, not much depth, and gave hints and tidbits at what happened and who are these people.

Gears 2, I found the story to be good, charecters more interesting and emotonal, a few bumps (I dont care for Dom moment either way, however that is an important moment and changes his charecter in the third) dont stop summer blockster esque tale in its tracks.

I believe the third will step up its game and give us a very satisfying story, it has only been improving.

Though I seem to be one of a few that enjoy the Gearsverse here.

Bardock47

It's hard to accept any story regardless of quality with characters that are bland and unlikeable.

Guess so :)

[QUOTE="Crysis333"][QUOTE="hoosier7"] Adam Fenix is Marcus Fenix's father. He was considered one of Sera's greatest geniuses, and his radically advanced research figured prominently in the plots of both games. The novel Gears of War: Aspho Fields reveals that Adam had joined the COG army during the Pendulum Wars, rising to the rank of major and gaining a considerable reputation. Even after retiring and becoming a military-sponsored scientist, he was still referred to by others as "Major Fenix." When Marcus joined the COG army himself, Adam tried to use his influence to enroll Marcus in an officer's academy, but Marcus refused; Adam's disappointment in Marcus' career was a point of tension in their relationship. Everything about the Gears plot just seems to feel done. Taking things to the basics we have: 1) A father disapointed by his son. 2) Father has gone missing, son has to rescue him to save man kind. I could write that plot?!hoosier7

[QUOTE="Bardock47"]

[QUOTE="SteamedBennet"]

It's hard to accept any story regardless of quality with characters that are bland and unlikeable.

SteamedBennet

Guess so :)

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="Crysis333"] You took that from the Gears wiki. It's not very generic as near all has been done before, especially when you expand the universe like such. So all of Halos decent story is now void due to things being done in space previously. No. Crysis333

[QUOTE="Crysis333"][QUOTE="hoosier7"] It's not merely that it's been done before, it's that it's been done to death. Setting is also something very different from plot so i don't know why you bring that up.hoosier7

[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="Crysis333"] As are space, aliens and pretty much any thing around such criteria. But that makes it bad? And honestly, a man attempting to find his father who he previously thought was dead crushed by the rubble of the mansion isn't nearly as done as such. Crysis333

Gears of War has a story? :SGamingcucumber

TC's first mistake was playing Gears of War for the story. TC's second mistake was expecting a good story.

You shoot things. You chainsaw through things. That's why you play Gears.

mmmwksil

Haha, what video game series has a good one?

Hint: none.

The plot to Gears of War isn't good, and the dialogue is terrible. The gameplay and graphics makes up for it completely

KevinPlanet

naw the graphics arnt that good..... atleast compared to pc games....... the gameplay however is a lot of mindless fun

[QUOTE="Crysis333"][QUOTE="hoosier7"] So that's the incredible twist eh? There's a lot more than can be done with settings such as space and aliens than this Gears father thing. You can make yourself stand out by changing things in space e.g. by creating creative worlds. Where as this plot really doesn't stand out beyond anything done before. Ever seen the TV series Spooks? Now there's original plot lines. hoosier7

They should just build space ships and relocate to another world. Then nuke the planet from orbit a few hundred times till the atmosphere is destroyed and all life is dead.

Story telling---> UC series

Story-----------> Gears Series

Gears has an okay plot. It's nothing we haven't seen before, but it's alright for what it is.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

TC's first mistake was playing Gears of War for the story. TC's second mistake was expecting a good story.

You shoot things. You chainsaw through things. That's why you play Gears.

The_Game21x

lol 360 fanboys damage controlling by bashing Uncharted's story? wake up and rub your own eyes. Uncharted's story has nothing to do with Gears' terrible story and storytelling. that's all there is to it.

^^ Read the opening post, it mentions UC's story in it. That could possibly be the reason everyone is mentioning it.... Either way neither has a good story.soulitane

lol Uncharted has a much better story than Gears, that's for sure. not only that, but it has better storytelling as well.

i did not know that 'good story' only comprises of drama, politics, etc. Uncharted is defined in the pulp action adventure genre, so it's not like Mad Men or The West Wing in terms of story, but it is a good story nonetheless. it is very straightforward and just fits into the genre. people bashing it because the genre does not make for a lore, fantasy-based, LOTR-esque, Star Wars-esque story? stop kidding yourselves. it's action adventure/treasure hunting. what do you guys expect? where have you ever seen a book or a movie that has a very complex story in this kind of genre? NONE.

Gears, on the other hand, is just flat out terrible both story and storytelling.

lol 360 fanboys damage controlling by bashing Uncharted's story? wake up and rub your own eyes. Uncharted's story has nothing to do with Gears' terrible story and storytelling. that's all there is to it.

rumbalumba

There are many other videogames out here that are far worst than Gear's plot and story.

Gears of War has the humans playing the bad guys...foxhound_fox

Say what.scorch-62

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]Say what.foxhound_fox

Lies :o Clearly the Locust are the bad guys! Look how monstrous and ALIEN they look! The gritty humans MUST be the protagonists!

The truth is almost all games have bad stories except a few games like ME2 and Heavy Rain.

Funny. Gears of War has the humans playing the bad guys... what does Uncharted have? Indiana Jones/Tomb Raider ripoff.foxhound_fox

funny, i didn't know humas as bad guys constitutes a good story. :lol:

except a few seclect games like ME2 and Heavy Rain.dovberg

funny, i didn't know humas as bad guys constitutes a good story. :lol:rumbalumba

TC's first mistake was playing Gears of War for the story. TC's second mistake was expecting a good story.

You shoot things. You chainsaw through things. That's why you play Gears.

mmmwksil

Agreed. And THAT is why Gears is awesome ;)

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

TC's first mistake was playing Gears of War for the story. TC's second mistake was expecting a good story.

You shoot things. You chainsaw through things. That's why you play Gears.

Darth-Samus

Agreed. And THAT is why Gears is awesome ;)

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Crysis333"] I've read every single book and comic. Asphio fields is one of my favorite books of all time. Crysis333