gears of war will overtake halo this gen

i guarantee this right now, gears will overtake halo as ms most relevant/best selling franchise. halo just isnt that unique anymore, its good but nothing exceptional. if bungie sort their shit out and balance destiny then it will essential be like halo. the weapons/movement all feel similar even the intro scene to multiplayer is the same.

gears on the other hand is VASTLY different from all other tps multiplayer experiences, NOTHING comes close to it. it sold around 8m per game last gen so now that is has captured mindshare and established itself i think it will sell around 10-12m. halo will decline because of the massive competition in fps market so it will likely sell around 8m.

agree or disagree?

Well after 343 shit on Halo, it could be true,

Better franchise anyway.

Nah can't see it happening.

Gears of War is bloody awful. Then again, so is Halo with 343 involved...

lol Not that it matters.

I don't think Halo is quite ready to leave it's crown... maybe if Halo 5 isn't all that hot, maybe it can happen. However the next Gears would need to be great. Judgment didn't have the sales nor the critical reception of previous games neither.

Is Black Tusk up to the Task ?

Anyway I dont think thats how it works.... unique games doesnt always equal better sales or popularity.... if anything a game thsts easier to clone is more likely to be more successful.

No FPS plays like Halo.

Almost every modern TPS plays like a Gears of War clone.

Don't think either series will be on the same level they were last gen. Both feel generic and dated now.

I gave up on Halo after 4 and Gears after 3. Just boring unoriginal experiences that i forced myself to finish. Made it easier to switch to Sony given that i could not care less about their two biggest franchises.

Franchise fatigue is probably gonna start affecting GeOW has much has Halo. So, no

judgment was spin off title which sell less than mainline just like odst. i didnt even bother buying it when i heard dbno was removed but the next gears has rod furgesson in charge who also was the producer for the trilogy so its in good hands now.

yh bullshit, which other tps has wall bouncing?

I don't care either way. I enjoy both.

@cainetao11 :

Indeed.... Its not like they are mutually Exclusive.... :)

I like Halo 4, hell, I like GOW Judgement but I shure hope that the next GOW is a killer game.

Doubt it. We haven't even seen the new Gears, which is being made by a different dev

halo is fast becoming irrelevant but last gears showed that the franchise touched rock bottom.

I agree, The Order is looking quite good.

343 is the new Halo developer. 343 who left fans angry with Halo 4's changes in SP and MP (although it was a good game, it didn't measure up) and 343 who also left huge Halo fans massively disappointed with recent 2014 Halo MCC buggy mess including myself. Up next? Halo 5.

Brand new Black Tusk Studios is making their first game and it happens to be a new GeoW. They are brand new, so I want to cut them a break.

If it was EPIC GeoW vs. 343 Halo. EPIC wins. If it was Bungie Halo vs. Black Tusk, I don't know, but a betting man would take Bungie. That's ignoring the recent and disappointing Bungie 2014 release of Destiny as I'm operating under the notion they would be cranking away at Halo (all their main non expansion Halo titles at Metacritic are 90+/100). I'm talking metacritic here since my own subjective opinion can be tossed away. However, what we have is two new studios, one released a couple of games and the other is untested. It's tough to know what's going to happen.

I think Halo 5 and GeoW 4 will be good games, but I'm not sure about which will be better...or if either will be great. 343 has has more attempts at bat, so they stand a better chance though with the whole, "third time is a charm" swinging in 343's favor.

Two new studios (343 and Black Tusk) trying to do their best to emulate the original developers visions (Bungie and EPIC).

True.

Halo was already replaced with COD previous gen OP.

Guess it depends on which one ends up sucking worse.

Might as well be talking about bum fights.

Hm.... Gears of War....

Well.... whether it can overtake Halo really doesnt matter, its whether it can be a great success again.

IDK, another Gears would be great, but what can it do to be fresh and innovative and stand out as a Gears thats gonna be a totally new experience and take the franchise to another level?

I just like God of War, in the sense of sure I would love another God of War, but its it gonna be more of the same? Is it gonna be a spin of crapp like they did with Killzone (KZ:Shadow Fall) where it was just way too different from the main games?

In the case of Uncharted is a bit different cuz we know its gonna be the last Uncharted so they are ring everything to an end. Which is different from GEARS, where they are trying to kick start the franchise again for more Gear games.

In the case of Halo, also different cuz people just want sort of more of the same with Halo and will actually be happy if it is more of the same.

That's true. I didn't even bother renting the last Gears game.

Gears of War multiplayer is much more addicting than halo or call of duty, at least for me

Dudebro garbage overtakes dudebro garbage.

go MS!

Don't like cruising around Europe I take it?

halfway through gears 3 I knew that franchise was dead. It's not 2006 anymore and there's only so much braindead gameplay with braindead characters you can endure before you get tired of that shit. tons of third person shooters that came out before and after are much better.

Nope.

@SolidTy: You are making it sound like they are studios run by a bunch of recent graduated high school kids. Each studio has some key parts from when they were part of bungie and epic.

didn't CoD already kill Halo last gen?

@xscrapzx: No, I'm not.

Two can play that game though: You are making it sound like these new developers are the original competent and beloved developers that we love for creating these franchises. They are not. At the very least, you are making it sound like all it takes is a couple of key employees and you get top notch studios once again.

Regarding my opinion, I specifically said "I think Halo 5 and GeoW 4 will be good games, but I'm not sure about which will be better". I said that because I have confidence in these new studios...to a degree. It's easy to assign someone else an argument they never represented than it is to respond to exactly what they are saying. That's why I said my first paragraph above, to show you what you did with your statement. The truth is I covered it. Even though these are new studios, they are making two new games and plenty of $$$ and resources are being thrown at them to recreate what EPIC and BUNGIE have done.

Personally, I'm pulling for both teams and I got the Xbone that's ready and waiting for me to buy top notch software, but despite my personal preference on what these teams can do, my own experience following developers over the many years cautions me...especially with new teams. Even new team Respawn who I was rooting for for YEARS disappointed me this year with Titanfall, but I'm still in there corner, just apprehensively. As I already said twice, the games will be good, of that I have no doubt.

All I know is the little bit of the Halo 5 beta Ive played was great.

Why is even a new gears of war happening is beyond me. The story is done, ditch it and make a new ip...whats that? alan wake flopped? Sunset overdrive is selling worse than ryse and dead rising 3?

Yup, 3 games sell on xbox, halo, cod and gears.

Gears of War is way better than Halo.

@SolidTy: @SolidTy: By reading your original post you heavily emphasized on how new the developers are, which is true, but I'm sure there are plenty of veteran coders and designers in there that know what they are doing. By all means, I'm not claiming that there wont be challenges with new studios and that experience alone will cure all. I understand where you are coming from and agree to some extent. I just don't believe that them being "new" is going to make or break the upcoming games. I never claimed that you weren't rooting for them or anything of the sort, just simply stating that just because they are new does not mean that the teams will be worse off than other studios that have been around for some time. Both Epic and Bungie had a ton of resources to work with as do these two new studios which have those same resources. I think they will be fine. Now whether they can consistently create good games remains to be seen. Although, even though a lot of people didn't care for Halo 4, I found it to be very well put together considering it was their first installment. We can argue that the features that were placed into multiplayer were awful or felt odd in the Halo universe, but that was a matter of direction and ideology more so than the capabilities of the studio itself. I guess I just have confidence in these two studios considering they will be handling the flagship franchises for MS moving forward.

@xscrapzx: Fair enough. I just don't have as much confidence in new teams winning me over as better than original replacements (aka the difference between good and outstanding), but I have all the confidence they will make a good product considering as I mentioned above they have the $$$ and resources available to get the job done. I agree that the games will probably be put together well, but I'm not sure of their direction (especially Black Tusk) since they are so new. If anything, GeoW4 could end up like Halo 4 in a game people found good for a first installment from a new developer. What I would want though is the game EPIC and Cliffy B. could have made, but I'll settle for the good game from a new developer.

I've followed devs for a great many years though, so I'm always sketchy about new teams picking up the mantle for beloved franchises. They usually do well in my long experience, but I can't recall ever being as impressed as the originators, but that could be just me. Even Metroid, Donkey Kong, Uncharted, Halo, Crash Bandicoot, Zelda, Command and Conquer, Spyro, Doom...I can't think of one, but I'm sure they are out there.

Given enough time, resources, and experience...it would be great if one day these developers are looked upon by the majority of fans as the best developers for these franchises. Of course, I concede looking so far at 343s offerings and Black Tusk getting ready for their first game release, that could take a long while.

@SolidTy:

That's how I felt with Halo 4. Zero expectations. Then I played it and was blown away. Reinvigorated my interest in the series after the hack job called halo reach. 343 must have some ex key Bungie members.

Halo killed Halo. They didn't need to wait for Killzone.

and Forza

Anyway Gears and Halo are old, stale, and slow. Gears of War was fine when it was fresh and basically kill switch, but good.

Once Uncharted 2 became a thing, Vanquish became a thing, and now we got things like The Last of Us and Tomb Raider, Gears is kind of meh in comparison. As a multiplayer game it's fun, really fun, but all that special? nah, not even close. Wall bouncing is neat and all, but the game is a glorified shotgun fest with not that much of a skill ceiling, and a whole lot of i got luckier with my shotgun than that other guy did. It's far away from being a Counterstrike or something, but that's the difference between a proper FPS multiplayer vs tps.

And Halo its either it stays the same, and continues to be outclassed by better PC shooters, or it changes some things and that point it stops being Halo, but also barely changes because they are trying to keep too much Halo into it.

Fact is Microsoft needs fresher ips. Halo and Gears have become stagnant. The Mario counter argument doesn't work, Mario's games are A: the class of their genre and B: actually fucking change from time to time. C: don't suck.

Gears of War is also on the decline. No one cares about that series anymore.

I'm not sure i follow.

Lost planet 1

God damnit Capcom how could you **** up 3 so badly? Stop outsourcing development to studios that don't care.

Disagree about skill ceiling, gears has extremely high skill ceiling imo and 99% of the time its not luck that wins shotgun battle its knowning when and where to wall bounce. Gears 3 was close to perfect, the assault rifles were damn good and fun to use, no way u could rush someone with shotty like in gears 1 and 2. Gears offers the best tps multiplayer to date, it has yet to be topped, halo though meh

A: being the best tps mp is a tall midget status award. Most of that genre has average mp games at best
B: the sawed off exists, get real.

Gears of war is not Xbox exclusive anymore right? that give it chance of at least be better :D

@jg4xchamp: there is nothing wrong with sawed off after it got range nerf, it has a massive trade off and is good edition. It is so easy to counter it no one has any reason to complain at all, setiously I hardly ever got killed with it unless I got flanked in which case I would have died anyway.

Gears proves tps multiplayer can be great, its up to other devs to get on its level. Uc/tlou dont even come close, loadout is decent

Agreed. GeoW came out last gen, and saw 4 games come out during that time.