GeOW2>>>R2 at gamerankings is a thorougly flawed and invalid argument.

Resistance 2 average 88% at gamerankings based on 47 media outlets.

Gears of war 2 average 94% at gamerankings based on 64 media outlets.

Ah so notice the incredible flaw in this whole analogy?Gears 2 has 40% more reviews than R2.Whether having more reviews is an advantage or disadvantage is irrelavent.Fact is that with that much disparity in the no. of reviews,it is simply illogical to directly compare the 2 averages and then declare the winner.

Going deeper in the reviews,it seems like using gamerankings for comparing games in general is just pointless.Let's see the no. of review outlets for gears that are instantly recognisable as biased.

X360 Magazine UK

Planet Xbox 360

TeamXbox

Official Xbox Magazine

XboxZone

Xbox Addict

MS Xbox World

Talk Xbox

Xbox World 360 Magazine UK

Xbox World Australia

Official Xbox Magazine UK

Totally360

So ya 12 reviews out of the 64 comprise of these sites/magazines.:|

Now lets look at R2 reviews.

PSX Extreme

Playstation Offcial Magazine UK

Playstation Offcial Magazine AU

PSM3 Magazine UK

So ya only 4 for R2.

So ya lemmings,gears 2 is not better in your "real world" as you think it is cuz gamerankings is no real world.

The only thing gears 2 tops R2 is sales and you can say gears 2 is more popular all you want but to say that it has been percieved as better by the overall media is laughable and just grasping for staws.

Yep, and that's exactly why we use Gamespot here. Both games got the same score, hence no-one got owned. Which was an anti-climax to be honest.Floppy_Jim

Its shocking that no matter what forum post I read, I always tend to agree with Floppy_Jim.

Whine whine. Mr. Bear does not care for your semantics, R2 doesn't have the same amount of reviews as Gears 2, sure, but Mr. Bear knows that the better game was obviously more popular enough to be reviewed quickly. :D No but really, what does it matter if Xbox dedicated sites and PS dedicated sites are reviewing said popular games for each system? Nothing. Not all sites are biased just because they dedicate their resources to one system. yoshi_64

And ya not all of them are biased but most of them are especially when it comes to major titles.

Resistance 2 average 88% at gamerankings based on 47 media outlets.

Gears of war 2 average 94% at gamerankings based on 64 media outlets.

Ah so notice the incredible flaw in this whole analogy?Gears 2 has 40% more reviews than R2.Whether having more reviews is an advantage or disadvantage is irrelavent.Fact is that with that much disparity in the no. of reviews,it is simply illogical to directly compare the 2 averages and then declare the winner.

Going deeper in the reviews,it seems like using gamerankings for comparing games in general is just pointless.Let's see the no. of review outlets for gears that are instantly recognisable as biased.

X360 Magazine UK

Planet Xbox 360

TeamXbox

Official Xbox Magazine

XboxZone

Xbox Addict

MS Xbox World

Talk Xbox

Xbox World 360 Magazine UK

Xbox World Australia

Official Xbox Magazine UK

Totally360

So ya 12 reviews out of the 64 comprise of these sites/magazines.:|

Now lets look at R2 reviews.

PSX Extreme

Playstation Offcial Magazine UK

Playstation Offcial Magazine AU

PSM3 Magazine UK

So ya only 4 for R2.

So ya lemmings,gears 2 is not better in your "real world" as you think it is cuz gamerankings is no real world.

The only thing gears 2 tops R2 is sales and you can say gears 2 is more popular all you want but to say that it has been percieved as better by the overall media is laughable and just grasping for staws.

Thinker_reborn

point of this thread?...yoyo462001

More reviews LOWER the score:?FirstDiscovery

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]point of this thread?...Thinker_reborn

More reviews LOWER the score:?FirstDiscovery

LOL. Beat me to it. More scores increase the chances of it skewing lower. It seems like the Gamerankings argument isn't the only one that's flawed.

if it have more reviews the score in most times gos down R2 have 17 reviews that give it AA and 1 review that give it A and anther that give it 6 gears 2 got only 2 reviews that give AA and all the rest give it AAA or AAAA so yes in the real world gears 2 is better then R2 and also MGS4

BETTER REVIEWS & BETTER SALES = WIN

So you really think those few critics account for the what, 6% difference between the two games? Nice excuse and damage control. Plus, Gears has MORE reviews so its harder to sustain a higher average. Why don't you come back when both games are actually near each other in # of reviews, otherwise quit crying.hopesfall2own

And what are you telling me?Tell those lems who constantly use gears GR average for ownage.:|

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]point of this thread?...Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]More reviews LOWER the score:?heretrix

LOL. Beat me to it. More scores increase the chances of it skewing lower. It seems like the Gamerankings argument isn't the only one that's flawed.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"]point of this thread?...yoyo462001

Beisdes the no. of hours played is what?Both games have different lenghts.:|

And even though the reviewer was not the same,both were reviewed under the same reviewing system and numerical standard.

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]That comparing gears 2 and R2 using their gamerankings score is invalid.Thinker_reborn

Beisdes the no. of hours played is what?Both games have different lenghts.:|

And even though the reviewer was not the same,both were reviewed under the same reviewing system and numerical standard.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

Resistance 2 average 88% at gamerankings based on 47 media outlets.

Gears of war 2 average 94% at gamerankings based on 64 media outlets.

Ah so notice the incredible flaw in this whole analogy?Gears 2 has 40% more reviews than R2.Whether having more reviews is an advantage or disadvantage is irrelavent.Fact is that with that much disparity in the no. of reviews,it is simply illogical to directly compare the 2 averages and then declare the winner.

Going deeper in the reviews,it seems like using gamerankings for comparing games in general is just pointless.Let's see the no. of review outlets for gears that are instantly recognisable as biased.

X360 Magazine UK

Planet Xbox 360

TeamXbox

Official Xbox Magazine

XboxZone

Xbox Addict

MS Xbox World

Talk Xbox

Xbox World 360 Magazine UK

Xbox World Australia

Official Xbox Magazine UK

Totally360

So ya 12 reviews out of the 64 comprise of these sites/magazines.:|

Now lets look at R2 reviews.

PSX Extreme

Playstation Offcial Magazine UK

Playstation Offcial Magazine AU

PSM3 Magazine UK

So ya only 4 for R2.

So ya lemmings,gears 2 is not better in your "real world" as you think it is cuz gamerankings is no real world.

The only thing gears 2 tops R2 is sales and you can say gears 2 is more popular all you want but to say that it has been percieved as better by the overall media is laughable and just grasping for staws.

Shafftehr

owned.

I wonder, why does Gamerankings use so many Xbox sites? Doesn't really seem fair.metalgear-solid

:lol:

I remember when cows would use GameRankings to defend their games! :lol:

Sure, but more reviews could also lower the score. Remove those sites you said and it'll still have a higher score.EuroMafia

^this^

Sure, but more reviews could also lower the score. Remove those sites you said and it'll still have a higher score.EuroMafia

Let's see...

(without weighting, as I don't know how Gamerankings does their ranking)

GeoW 2: 91.849

Resistance 2: 85.558

EDIT: I realized I made a small averaging error when calculating GeoW 2's average. It should be 93.55 rather than 91.849; I was off by one in terms of the number of reviews when I divided the sum.

More reviews simply makes the score more accurate because it balances out the high and low error. It's called the law of large numbers, both 60 and 40 reviews respectively are good enough to give the games accurate scores, and the 20 extra reviews makes very little difference in this case as both games have enough reviews to make them accurate (r2's score is really only +/- 0.5% less accurate at the most). Even if some games have more reviews than others it is still a far better comparison than simply relying on a single review where we have seen games off by as much as +/- 10% where they should be ledzeppelin667

That dosn't apply here. The fact is, the lower the number of sources the less saturised the average becomes with data from poor sources. If there are say only 10 sources, then atleast 5 of thosse sources should be reliable, because they will usually be the ones that are forced to review large numbers of games (Sites like Gamespot, Eurogamer, 1UP, Gametrailers and IGN). The larger the list becomes the more likely you are to see biast or weak sources effect the score one way or another. The law of large numbers can only work presuming all sources are of relatively equal reliability, and with critics on the internet, that is not the case.

your right, it is extremely flawed and pointless. Besides, everyone knows Gears of War 2 is clearly the better game. At least we can all agree about that.diped

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

[QUOTE="diped"]your right, it is extremely flawed and pointless. Besides, everyone knows Gears of War 2 is clearly the better game. At least we can all agree about that.WasntAvailable

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="diped"]your right, it is extremely flawed and pointless. Besides, everyone knows Gears of War 2 is clearly the better game. At least we can all agree about that.The_Game21x

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

PS3/360 have pretty much the same.

[QUOTE="ledzeppelin667"]More reviews simply makes the score more accurate because it balances out the high and low error. It's called the law of large numbers, both 60 and 40 reviews respectively are good enough to give the games accurate scores, and the 20 extra reviews makes very little difference in this case as both games have enough reviews to make them accurate (r2's score is really only +/- 0.5% less accurate at the most). Even if some games have more reviews than others it is still a far better comparison than simply relying on a single review where we have seen games off by as much as +/- 10% where they should be WasntAvailable

That dosn't apply here. The fact is, the lower the number of sources the less saturised the average becomes with data from poor sources. If there are say only 10 sources, then atleast 5 of thosse sources should be reliable, because they will usually be the ones that are forced to review large numbers of games (Sites like Gamespot, Eurogamer, 1UP, Gametrailers and IGN). The larger the list becomes the more likely you are to see biast or weak sources effect the score one way or another. The law of large numbers can only work presuming all sources are of relatively equal reliability, and with critics on the internet, that is not the case.

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="diped"]your right, it is extremely flawed and pointless. Besides, everyone knows Gears of War 2 is clearly the better game. At least we can all agree about that.The_Game21x

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

Are you trying to question Gamespot's reliability? I have never played Halo 2, so I wouldn't know.

Besides, even though reviews are simply opinions, on the gamespot forums a review from gamespot carries far more weight than any other opinion, and that's just the way it is. So because of that, not everyone agrees that GeoW 2 is better than R2, just as not everyone agrees that HL2 is better than Halo 2.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

WasntAvailable

Are you trying to question Gamespot's reliability? I have never played Halo 2, so I wouldn't know.

Besides, even though reviews are simply opinions, on the gamespot forums a review from gamespot carries far more weight than any other opinion, and that's just the way it is. So because of that, not everyone agrees that GeoW 2 is better than R2, just as not everyone agrees that HL2 is better than Halo 2.

What he was refering to was that gamespot scores even for them arent to be taken literally but the thing is that PC has higher standards than the xbox but 360 doesnt have higher standards than PS3.

You do realize that 5 of those 12 XBOX only sources rated GEOW2 below the average, while 3/4 of those PS sources rated R2 above the average, right? I'm not great at math, but... What do you think that means about who is having its bread buttered more by fan sites?Shafftehr

Owned

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

WasntAvailable

Are you trying to question Gamespot's reliability? I have never played Halo 2, so I wouldn't know.

Besides, even though reviews are simply opinions, on the gamespot forums a review from gamespot carries far more weight than any other opinion, and that's just the way it is. So because of that, not everyone agrees that GeoW 2 is better than R2, just as not everyone agrees that HL2 is better than Halo 2.

That dosn't apply here. The fact is, the lower the number of sources the less saturised the average becomes with data from poor sources. If there are say only 10 sources, then atleast 5 of thosse sources should be reliable, because they will usually be the ones that are forced to review large numbers of games (Sites like Gamespot, Eurogamer, 1UP, Gametrailers and IGN). The larger the list becomes the more likely you are to see biast or weak sources effect the score one way or another. The law of large numbers can only work presuming all sources are of relatively equal reliability, and with critics on the internet, that is not the case.

WasntAvailable

It works perfectly actually, it's the same as a science experiment where some data is less reliable but multiple trials ensures that it is balanced out. Reviewing games is naturally based a large amount on opinion so it is difficult if not impossible to be reliable at all on every game, so the only solution is to take a large number of reviews to get everyones opinion on a game, even good games have people that naturally don't like the game and it is neccessary to include them in the score or it will become overstated. This is shown beautifly at IMDB where thousands of viewer rankings taken over a long amount of time give a very accurate score despite more than a few people giving movies 10's or 0's for no good reason. taking just a few well known sites you could end up with a hyped game that meets expectaions getting a 10 average however realistically there is no such thing as a 10 because there is always a way to improve games, so including the less mainsteam review opinion can actually give the game a better score since they might be more inclined to review games fairly while ignoring the hype it recieves.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

I don't agree, and neither does Gamespot.

Thinker_reborn

PS3/360 have pretty much the same.

The thing is the more reviews you have the more chance the score will be lower over all.Duckyindiana

Say that to the people on the first page.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

Resistance 2 average 88% at gamerankings based on 47 media outlets.

Gears of war 2 average 94% at gamerankings based on 64 media outlets.

Ah so notice the incredible flaw in this whole analogy?Gears 2 has 40% more reviews than R2.Whether having more reviews is an advantage or disadvantage is irrelavent.Fact is that with that much disparity in the no. of reviews,it is simply illogical to directly compare the 2 averages and then declare the winner.

Going deeper in the reviews,it seems like using gamerankings for comparing games in general is just pointless.Let's see the no. of review outlets for gears that are instantly recognisable as biased.

X360 Magazine UK

Planet Xbox 360

TeamXbox

Official Xbox Magazine

XboxZone

Xbox Addict

MS Xbox World

Talk Xbox

Xbox World 360 Magazine UK

Xbox World Australia

Official Xbox Magazine UK

Totally360

So ya 12 reviews out of the 64 comprise of these sites/magazines.:|

Now lets look at R2 reviews.

PSX Extreme

Playstation Offcial Magazine UK

Playstation Offcial Magazine AU

PSM3 Magazine UK

So ya only 4 for R2.

So ya lemmings,gears 2 is not better in your "real world" as you think it is cuz gamerankings is no real world.

The only thing gears 2 tops R2 is sales and you can say gears 2 is more popular all you want but to say that it has been percieved as better by the overall media is laughable and just grasping for staws.

Shafftehr

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]More reviews LOWER the score:?heretrix

LOL. Beat me to it. More scores increase the chances of it skewing lower. It seems like the Gamerankings argument isn't the only one that's flawed.

That argument makes no sense. There's also a chance of having a higher percentage with more reviews. There's no way to tell how it would be different with more reviews.