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#51  Edited By Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I prefer sandbox, and openworld type shooters. Games like Halo which are linear but sandbox oriented, and games like Fallout New Vegas or STALKER which offer a great world to play in and explore. Playing those type of games make me a happy gamer.

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@annunaki_ said:

@lostrib said:

tl;dr

Actually contribute to this thread any mean? So you need to post all threads, even if just eating naked children if the topic stays do not like or is brain death. Is the amount of time spent on spam is enormous. Life, such as at work or school, girls do you have? I doubt. the game you also you got candy crush posters

LMAO lostrib pretends he's not a troll and uses how long he's been here as a disguise to make people think he's relevant. He's not. Glad someone else caught it.

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@John_Matherson said:

@annunaki_ said:

@lostrib said:

tl;dr

Actually contribute to this thread any mean? So you need to post all threads, even if just eating naked children if the topic stays do not like or is brain death. Is the amount of time spent on spam is enormous. Life, such as at work or school, girls do you have? I doubt. the game you also you got candy crush posters

LMAO lostrib pretends he's not a troll and uses how long he's been here as a disguise to make people think he's relevant. He's not. Glad someone else caught it.

I do none of those things

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#54  Edited By kingtito
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@lostrib said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

why don't you just stop making threads

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@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

It's John Matherson. What do you expect? Long tired threads instead of posing a simple as can be question.,

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#56  Edited By John_Matherson
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@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

And dude are you seriously fucking that dumb? For one, the OP talks about GTA4 and for one GTA4 is also a shooter amongst other things. Uncharted 2 gets complaints for its shooting mechanics but can I say just because you get to do hand to hand combat sometimes that UC2 isn't also a shooter? And how the fck is the OP messy looking? The pictures are staggered on purpose and the main picture is from the article I linked to...so wtf are you going on about? You're such a troll, stop following me to every thread and get off my nuts you freaking weirdo. You guys are fcking weird.

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@John_Matherson said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

And dude are you seriously fucking that dumb? For one, the OP talks about GTA4 and for one GTA4 is also a shooter amongst other things. Uncharted 2 gets complaints for its shooting mechanics but can I say just because you get to do hand to hand combat sometimes that UC2 isn't also a shooter? And how the fck is the OP messy looking? The pictures are staggered on purpose and the main picture is from the article I linked to...so wtf are you going on about? You're such a troll, stop following me to every thread and get off my nuts you freaking weirdo. You guys are fcking weird.

...you really need to learn to take criticism better

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@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

It's John Matherson. What do you expect? Long tired threads instead of posing a simple as can be question.,

If you're a lazy **** who cant' scheme through an OP and gather a sense of the topic, I'm not going to make it easier for you, and I'm also not going to take you seriously, not because you're a troll, but because you're a lazy ****. And also for a TLDR you could've looked at the bolded text in the OP instead of rushing into a Matherson thread and posting crap cause you have a mancrush on me.

*skim

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#60 Animal-Mother
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@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

It's John Matherson. What do you expect? Long tired threads instead of posing a simple as can be question.,

If you're a lazy **** who cant' scheme through an OP and gather a sense of the topic, I'm not going to make it easier for you, and I'm also not going to take you seriously, not because you're a troll, but because you're a lazy ****. And also for a TLDR you could've looked at the bolded text in the OP instead of rushing into a Matherson thread and posting crap cause you have a mancrush on me.

lol

Whatever you say.

Also all games are linear to a point. I'd say deus ex is the only one that doesn't

Also gaiz come check it out!

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#61  Edited By John_Matherson
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@lostrib said:

@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

It's John Matherson. What do you expect? Long tired threads instead of posing a simple as can be question.,

If you're a lazy **** who cant' scheme through an OP and gather a sense of the topic, I'm not going to make it easier for you, and I'm also not going to take you seriously, not because you're a troll, but because you're a lazy ****. And also for a TLDR you could've looked at the bolded text in the OP instead of rushing into a Matherson thread and posting crap cause you have a mancrush on me.

*skim

Thanks. Actually knew that.

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@Animal-Mother said:

@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

It's John Matherson. What do you expect? Long tired threads instead of posing a simple as can be question.,

If you're a lazy **** who cant' scheme through an OP and gather a sense of the topic, I'm not going to make it easier for you, and I'm also not going to take you seriously, not because you're a troll, but because you're a lazy ****. And also for a TLDR you could've looked at the bolded text in the OP instead of rushing into a Matherson thread and posting crap cause you have a mancrush on me.

lol

Whatever you say.

Also all games are linear to a point. I'd say deus ex is the only one that doesn't

Also gaiz come check it out!

Ok so what was stopping you from posting this take on the topic instead of being an idiot at first?

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#63 Animal-Mother
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@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

@John_Matherson said:

Only ten posts? Oh yeah, I need to stop making threads that make sense in System Wars. What was I thinking????

Your title specifically says shooters but you have stuff like GTA in your OP.

You're not making ANY sense.

Also the OP is messy looking and too long for such a topic, most people won't post because they won't read it all

It's John Matherson. What do you expect? Long tired threads instead of posing a simple as can be question.,

If you're a lazy **** who cant' scheme through an OP and gather a sense of the topic, I'm not going to make it easier for you, and I'm also not going to take you seriously, not because you're a troll, but because you're a lazy ****. And also for a TLDR you could've looked at the bolded text in the OP instead of rushing into a Matherson thread and posting crap cause you have a mancrush on me.

lol

Whatever you say.

Also all games are linear to a point. I'd say deus ex is the only one that doesn't

Also gaiz come check it out!

Ok so what was stopping you from posting this take on the topic instead of being an idiot at first?

Because what's SW without the fun?

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@seanmcloughlin said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@the_bi99man said:

Linear: Any COD campaign

Non-Linear: STALKER

Stalker is a highly linear game. Gameplay wise, the only real open endedness is in the games ending.

What? how is STALKER "highly" linear? stop talking shite just to stand out

My friend, you need to calm down. Since you requested me to personally educate you (albitit rudely) I will.

In Dues Ex: Human Revolution, the player has the option to use vents, hack panels, go underground, go above ground with multiple entry points. Melee. Kill. Not kill. Go undetected. Turn turrets and robots against the enemy. This, all for a single objective. This my friend, is nonlinear gameplay. In stalker, you shoot people. That's, pretty much it.

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#65  Edited By oddballrulez
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@John_Matherson said:

@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

My take is that nowadays, and through the 7th gen, developers know what they wanted you to play, and they know how to get you to play it. Simple as that.

If a developer wants you to play a story driven cinematic title, he'd make a story driven cinematic title.

If a developer wants you to play a shooter RPG, he'd make Fallout 3 or Rage.

If a developer wants you to play a an action adventure with sequenced set pieces and give you thrill ride to enjoy, he'd make games like Uncharted and The Order...

IT'S THAT SIMPLE...THEY WANT YOU TO PLAY SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND THEY MAKE IT THAT WAY.

No shit Sherlock. Nobody makes a game thinking 'I hope no one plays this'. Making a game isn't just a jumble of creations bundled together; they're meticulously planned from the moment the ideas conceived, and continues to be until it goes gold.

People in the industry look at the charts, decide whats popular and then assign a team to a game. It's not actually down to the developer a lot of the time, but the bigwigs and their fat stacks.

My friends been part of a small development studio based in the center of my city since we left Uni together, and he's never once had any real say. And the fairly shite android/ios games they pump out (while commercially do okay) don't reflect him as a person or a gamer. He's told what to create, he's just the one who has to figure out how to go about it.

But keep on practicing making observation's - by gum someday you might notice something in the world that matters.

So, I get attacked by you so you can repeat what I said in the thread and then tell me to keep making observations...See, nothing is more annoying than assholes like you who try to condescend. If I notice something in the world that matters, an idiot like you will be too preoccupied in system wars to notice. Don't fucking condescend, asshole.

And you say "no shit" but if it's a "no shit" topic then how come people still continue to compare games together here in Sys Wars that shouldn't be compared together on a daily basis?

Mate, I've accumulated around 1600 posts over 9 years. I clearly don't live here.

Also, I apologize for being condescending - I'm in a mood. But you don't need to create topics about shit that anyone with half a brain cell can figure out.

This place is flooded with illiterate shit houses making bogus arguments about games that people shouldn't compare - fair play, just don't bother attempting to win over their better judgement with a forum post cause it's not gonna work. If peoples opinions piss you off, then best to just find a forum where people are civil and discuss things.

And my final point - tying into my original, and somewhat this post; the OP isn't particularly informative and you've branded GTA a shooter. No beef with you as a guy, just got beef over the content of your post.

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@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

My take is that nowadays, and through the 7th gen, developers know what they wanted you to play, and they know how to get you to play it. Simple as that.

If a developer wants you to play a story driven cinematic title, he'd make a story driven cinematic title.

If a developer wants you to play a shooter RPG, he'd make Fallout 3 or Rage.

If a developer wants you to play a an action adventure with sequenced set pieces and give you thrill ride to enjoy, he'd make games like Uncharted and The Order...

IT'S THAT SIMPLE...THEY WANT YOU TO PLAY SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND THEY MAKE IT THAT WAY.

No shit Sherlock. Nobody makes a game thinking 'I hope no one plays this'. Making a game isn't just a jumble of creations bundled together; they're meticulously planned from the moment the ideas conceived, and continues to be until it goes gold.

People in the industry look at the charts, decide whats popular and then assign a team to a game. It's not actually down to the developer a lot of the time, but the bigwigs and their fat stacks.

My friends been part of a small development studio based in the center of my city since we left Uni together, and he's never once had any real say. And the fairly shite android/ios games they pump out (while commercially do okay) don't reflect him as a person or a gamer. He's told what to create, he's just the one who has to figure out how to go about it.

But keep on practicing making observation's - by gum someday you might notice something in the world that matters.

So, I get attacked by you so you can repeat what I said in the thread and then tell me to keep making observations...See, nothing is more annoying than assholes like you who try to condescend. If I notice something in the world that matters, an idiot like you will be too preoccupied in system wars to notice. Don't fucking condescend, asshole.

And you say "no shit" but if it's a "no shit" topic then how come people still continue to compare games together here in Sys Wars that shouldn't be compared together on a daily basis?

Mate, I've accumulated around 1600 posts over 9 years. I clearly don't live here.

Also, I apologize for being condescending - I'm in a mood. But you don't need to create topics about shit that anyone with half a brain cell can figure out.

This place is flooded with illiterate shit houses making bogus arguments about games that people shouldn't compare - fair play, just don't bother attempting to win over their better judgement with a forum post cause it's not gonna work. If peoples opinions piss you off, then best to just find a forum where people are civil and discuss things.

And my final point - tying into my original, and somewhat this post; the OP isn't particularly informative and you've branded GTA a shooter. No beef with you as a guy, just got beef over the content of your post.

Good point, and yeah again my apologies. I keep trying to make sense in a place that clearly forbids it : ) but no worries I know when and how to be a cow fanboy too

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@John_Matherson said:

@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

My take is that nowadays, and through the 7th gen, developers know what they wanted you to play, and they know how to get you to play it. Simple as that.

If a developer wants you to play a story driven cinematic title, he'd make a story driven cinematic title.

If a developer wants you to play a shooter RPG, he'd make Fallout 3 or Rage.

If a developer wants you to play a an action adventure with sequenced set pieces and give you thrill ride to enjoy, he'd make games like Uncharted and The Order...

IT'S THAT SIMPLE...THEY WANT YOU TO PLAY SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND THEY MAKE IT THAT WAY.

No shit Sherlock. Nobody makes a game thinking 'I hope no one plays this'. Making a game isn't just a jumble of creations bundled together; they're meticulously planned from the moment the ideas conceived, and continues to be until it goes gold.

People in the industry look at the charts, decide whats popular and then assign a team to a game. It's not actually down to the developer a lot of the time, but the bigwigs and their fat stacks.

My friends been part of a small development studio based in the center of my city since we left Uni together, and he's never once had any real say. And the fairly shite android/ios games they pump out (while commercially do okay) don't reflect him as a person or a gamer. He's told what to create, he's just the one who has to figure out how to go about it.

But keep on practicing making observation's - by gum someday you might notice something in the world that matters.

So, I get attacked by you so you can repeat what I said in the thread and then tell me to keep making observations...See, nothing is more annoying than assholes like you who try to condescend. If I notice something in the world that matters, an idiot like you will be too preoccupied in system wars to notice. Don't fucking condescend, asshole.

And you say "no shit" but if it's a "no shit" topic then how come people still continue to compare games together here in Sys Wars that shouldn't be compared together on a daily basis?

Mate, I've accumulated around 1600 posts over 9 years. I clearly don't live here.

Also, I apologize for being condescending - I'm in a mood. But you don't need to create topics about shit that anyone with half a brain cell can figure out.

This place is flooded with illiterate shit houses making bogus arguments about games that people shouldn't compare - fair play, just don't bother attempting to win over their better judgement with a forum post cause it's not gonna work. If peoples opinions piss you off, then best to just find a forum where people are civil and discuss things.

And my final point - tying into my original, and somewhat this post; the OP isn't particularly informative and you've branded GTA a shooter. No beef with you as a guy, just got beef over the content of your post.

Good point, and yeah again my apologies. I keep trying to make sense in a place that clearly forbids it : ) but no worries I know when and how to be a cow fanboy too

And making sense is pointing out the painstakingly obvious? lol

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I like the garpike and game, lostrib exists in night horse , sniffing at the quiff.it has scent of tuna!

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#70  Edited By Animal-Mother
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@John_Matherson said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@John_Matherson said:

@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

@oddballrulez said:

@John_Matherson said:

My take is that nowadays, and through the 7th gen, developers know what they wanted you to play, and they know how to get you to play it. Simple as that.

If a developer wants you to play a story driven cinematic title, he'd make a story driven cinematic title.

If a developer wants you to play a shooter RPG, he'd make Fallout 3 or Rage.

If a developer wants you to play a an action adventure with sequenced set pieces and give you thrill ride to enjoy, he'd make games like Uncharted and The Order...

IT'S THAT SIMPLE...THEY WANT YOU TO PLAY SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND THEY MAKE IT THAT WAY.

No shit Sherlock. Nobody makes a game thinking 'I hope no one plays this'. Making a game isn't just a jumble of creations bundled together; they're meticulously planned from the moment the ideas conceived, and continues to be until it goes gold.

People in the industry look at the charts, decide whats popular and then assign a team to a game. It's not actually down to the developer a lot of the time, but the bigwigs and their fat stacks.

My friends been part of a small development studio based in the center of my city since we left Uni together, and he's never once had any real say. And the fairly shite android/ios games they pump out (while commercially do okay) don't reflect him as a person or a gamer. He's told what to create, he's just the one who has to figure out how to go about it.

But keep on practicing making observation's - by gum someday you might notice something in the world that matters.

So, I get attacked by you so you can repeat what I said in the thread and then tell me to keep making observations...See, nothing is more annoying than assholes like you who try to condescend. If I notice something in the world that matters, an idiot like you will be too preoccupied in system wars to notice. Don't fucking condescend, asshole.

And you say "no shit" but if it's a "no shit" topic then how come people still continue to compare games together here in Sys Wars that shouldn't be compared together on a daily basis?

Mate, I've accumulated around 1600 posts over 9 years. I clearly don't live here.

Also, I apologize for being condescending - I'm in a mood. But you don't need to create topics about shit that anyone with half a brain cell can figure out.

This place is flooded with illiterate shit houses making bogus arguments about games that people shouldn't compare - fair play, just don't bother attempting to win over their better judgement with a forum post cause it's not gonna work. If peoples opinions piss you off, then best to just find a forum where people are civil and discuss things.

And my final point - tying into my original, and somewhat this post; the OP isn't particularly informative and you've branded GTA a shooter. No beef with you as a guy, just got beef over the content of your post.

Good point, and yeah again my apologies. I keep trying to make sense in a place that clearly forbids it : ) but no worries I know when and how to be a cow fanboy too

And making sense is pointing out the painstakingly obvious? lol

Apparently it's not so obvious for idiots like you.

So are you being obvious or making sense? Which is it? Because you're obviously not making any sense. Also lol at the 8 year old throwaway insults.

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@annunaki_ said:

I like the garpike and game, lostrib exists in night horse , sniffing at the quiff.it has scent of tuna!

This post wins the internet today ^^

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#72  Edited By lostrib
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@annunaki_ said:

I like the garpike and game, lostrib exists in night horse , sniffing at the quiff.it has scent of tuna!

I don't know if this is an insult or an oddly worded compliment. So...thanks?

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#73 menes777
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I think you really should break it down further into sub categories such as gameplay and storyline.

Linear:

Call of Duty has Linear Gameplay because you must accomplish y to x to z. You can't ever go outside the lines such as exploring more of DC in MW2. However it does have a somewhat non-linear story as you jump around characters and sometimes do missions from earlier years. Such as going back to Chernobyl in MW.

Fallout 3: Has both a non-linear story and a non-linear gameplay. As you can go straight to Paradise falls and free the kids before ever having gone to the Lamplight. In other words you don't necessarily have to accomplish x then y then z. You can do them out of order and the game and storyline still continues.

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#74 cooolio
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@Joedgabe:

@Joedgabe said:

@cooolio said:

@Joedgabe said:

I believe Rage is a non-linear shooter.

Linear would be COD.

Uncharted/Mass Effect/ Fallout / GTA <=== These aren't shooters... i'm confused.

They have shooting, but shooting is not the main element of the game. Can't really call them shooters... Shooters are Halo, Bioshock, Gears of War, Lost Planet. Not those.

Naming those shooters would imply that any game where you throw stuff no matter the gameplay can be considered shooters.You wouldn't call Metal Gear a shooter tha fawk...

I could be mistaken but the OP talks about linear and non linear games in general. And at the same time I could disagree with you and switch Bioshock with Uncharted.

At least with the first bioshock, shooting is only a part of the game. You have a story that is told through the insanity of those you fight against, the state of the whole city or rapture itself. Not only that, combat has rpg elements and there is also limited exploration.

Now with uncharted you have an ok story and characters too with great presentation, but you have combat that mostly revolves around shooting except for some limited platforming in open areas and melee combat.

I am sure others could go more in depth with the others, even though i do not see them as anything else but shooters. However, i know for a fact that labeling Bioshock as just a shooter contradicts your last sentence.

ohhh would make sense... I didn't read the OP honestly, too long. Just read the tittle and saw the games.

1) What RPG elements ? I don't remember no RPG elements on Bioshock at all, there was a different currency system that wasn't experience. You attain a different currency to buy upgrades for yourself or your powers or weapons. Also the whole game is a FPS with no other elements attached to it, it doesn't matter if it was story driven open environment or whatever. Bioshock is a FPS with it's primary gameplay revolving around FPS.

2) Uncharted is an action adventure period. Yes it has shooting in it but you go and tell someone uncharted is a shooter you'll be giving them the wrong idea about the game because it revolves around more things than just shooting. It's mostly focused on the adventure aspect than the action, which has shooting but not limited to. If we start calling games like uncharted shooters we're going to end up with a huge pointless argument that's just going to end up setting games genre's based on personal opinions rather than the category they was set out to be for organization. We can call MGS a shooter if it's that way, we can call Zelda a hack n slash versus Devil May cry which is the real one. Huge difference.

RPGs have a stat building upgrade system and some are less focused on stats. Yeah, it is a currency system, but you could view experience in the same way. Both revolve around choosing how to upgrade your character with different buffs, stats, abilities, etc. Bioshock's is greatly limited with this though. But you are ignoring all of its other elements.

1) Bishock's combat requires you to use other things in combat. You have hacking, plasmids, tonics, etc. It is not a game that will allow you to just shoot your way through or just focus on the FPS aspects, and that is what makes it different.

2) I consider Uncharted to be an adventure game too. Bioshock 1 is not limited to shooting either. Only idiots would start calling games like Zelda hack n slashes. I overall agree with you in regards to categories. Genre wise, Bioshock 1 is labeled as a FPS, but it has RPG like customization, stealth, hacking, intelligent AI, etc.

Like i said, I am referring to the first Bioshock not Infinite. If you are talking about Infinite, then I can somewhat agree because it lost some of the elements of the first but still has the upgrade system.