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#51  Edited By OniLordAsmodeus
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@The_Last_Ride said:

what a fucking moron... Studies have proven this is not the case...

There is no point citing studies or science to people like that because "they know better". They are informed by their "common sense", "intuition", and their personal religious beliefs, which are in turn informed by there common sense and intuition; see the circular reasoning there? If reality and science (empirical evidence) don't agree with their worldview and their opinion, then they reject that information and defer to what they believe to be true; what they have "faith" in.

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#52 edwardecl
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How many people seriously play video games then want to go out and top them selves? I mean Ornstien and Smough fight in Dark Souls came close but that was a special case ^^.

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#53 PurpleMan5000
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@PurpleMan5000: That is still by far and away the parents responsibility though. The game companies are just creating a product, which is many times rated for adults only. The problem arises when game stores and parents don't give a single f*ck about said ratings and then whine about how "violent" X or Y game is.

Oh, I agree. I was just pointing out that there definitely would be segment of video gaming that gets banned from my house for a few years if I had kids.

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#56 Heil68
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I love that he talks about Watch dogs and it having an anti hero..lol

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#57 inggrish
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@PurpleMan5000 said:

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@_Matt_ said:

Never heard of this guy, but after watching that, I can see he is definitely a moron.

Stopping your kid from playing video games in your own home is the worst thing you can do if you're a worried parent. You should instead sit and play the games with them, guiding their moral and ethics while seeing for yourself the games are not that bad...I'm no parent, but surely that is a far better idea than just banning video games in your own house?

Some games are that bad, though. There is no way that I would let a child play GTA, or really most of the big titles on the Xbox and Playstation.

Since the "bad" ones are all age rated though your argument is the same as saying There is no way that I would let a child drink a bottle of Gin , smoke and watch porn. That's just common sense.

Well, when I go to a bar, I don't see kids running around. I can't say the same when I put on a headset and play COD or Halo.

Sure, but my point was more banning a kid from playing ANY videogames, not just out of his age rating. Personally if I had a kid I would probably let them play any game up to one age rating after their age, but play through any of those games beyond their age first and make sure I deemed it suitable.

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#58  Edited By Demonjoe93
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I'm surprised none of his supporters have come in here calling everyone here a bunch of brainwashed sheeple.

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#59  Edited By B4X
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@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

@farrell2k said:

Guns and the fact that they are easier to get than to register to vote is what kills people.

People kill people. Guns are a needed tool to protect you from those people.

What do you want a society where the criminal has the only power?

GUNS FOR GANGSTERS!! That's my motto!

A motto that is demonstrated as incorrect and absurd by countries like Japan with virtually no gun violence because they were smart enough to ban gun ownership so harshly that even organized crime is afraid to be caught with them. There are plenty of ways to defend yourself without a gun...

Defense Against people with guns? Morph into Superman?

If you think somehow America is going to become this utopian society. You're in for a rude awakening.

America is built on blood and guns. Civilian Guns give an extra strength against foreign invaders also. Ask the Brits that tried to oppress the founding fathers of America.

Without guns America would be called GREAT GREAT Britain.

You act as if Americas HUGE military is just there for show. Americans spend trillions of dollars on guns, So you can sit in this forum and spout this complete and utter BS.

Get real Nancy, That is just the way it is. Also in America where civilians are allowed to carry concealed weapons, gun violence is almost non-existent. Look it up.

Chicago where it is not permitted to conceal, Is the Murder capitol of America.

Beck is an idiot.

No offense.

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#61 B4X
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@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

Defense Against people with guns? Morph into Superman?

If you think somehow America is going to become this utopian society. You're in for a rude awakening.

America is built on blood and guns. Civilian Guns give an extra strength against foreign invaders also. Ask the Brits that tried to oppress the founding fathers of America.

Without guns America would be called GREAT GREAT Britain.

You act as if Americas HUGE military is just there for show. Americans spend trillions of dollars on guns, So you can sit in this forum and spout this complete and utter BS.

Get real Nancy, That is just the way it is. Also in America where civilians are allowed to carry concealed weapons, gun violence is almost non-existent. Look it up.

Chicago where it is not permitted to conceal, Is the Murder capitol of America.

Beck is an idiot.

No offense.

DC is the murder capital of the USA, but it is also true that the states with the most gun violence are the ones with the most liberal (pro gun) laws, even when you factor in big cities like Chicago and DC.

No such thing as a Utopian society, but countries who have banned gun ownership have proven that gun crime can nearly be eliminated. Anyway I thought the argument was more gun = less crime, but I am sitting here looking at statistics that show the U.S. as the most crime-ridden country in the modern world, and not coincidentally, we also have the highest rate of private gun ownership. What is even more interesting is that when you examine the crime rates of other first world countries, you see that crime rates drop proportionally to the drop in private gun ownership. Boy, I didn't see that one coming from a mile away...

All of this underscores my point that guns are the problem. You can stick your head in the sand and deny it all day long, but the beautiful thing about reality is that facts are true whether you believe them or not.

You're forgetting one big detail. Those countries are PROTECTED by America.

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#62 blackace
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@GoldenElementXL: He's a waste of fresh air. I can't stand that maggot. Bill O'rielly is bad enough, but GB is a mole that needs to be removed from society.

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#63 blackace
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@b4x said:

@farrell2k said:

Guns and the fact that they are easier to get than to register to vote is what kills people.

People kill people. Guns are a needed tool to protect you from those people.

What do you want a society where the criminal has the only power?

GUNS FOR GANGSTERS!! That's my motto!

People kill people. With GUNS!! lol!!

Lets say we removed every weapon off the face of the planet.

The human race would still try to kill each other, but it would be with sticks and stones, just like cavemen did. We are heading in that direction again because many humans don't know how to be civil and content with what they have. Once the nukes drop, the ballgame is over.

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#65 jsolidus
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Every time some fool shoots or kills the anti gun people or anti video game violence or anti whatever come out of hiding to blame something. How about blaming the parents on why these dip shit kids are acting up. While growing up me and my bother played plenty of games and not one of us went out and shot anyone, or beat up anyone etc. Why? because we knew right from wrong and we didn't live in a fantasy world. We knew the consequences of our actions from day one. Its called good parenting. I have family members that never raised their children right and gave them anything and everything they every wanted. A 12 year old who is on adhd drugs and had problems, etc. should not play gta for obvious reasons.

I was 13? when i first played gta, but i knew it was game. I played MK when I was very young and i knew it was a game and not real. I didnt run out and try to uppercut my neighbor just because I seen it on the tv, if i did i would of been disciplined and the games would of been sold off for acting up. Now the 12 year old, now 16-17? has problems with violence, he beat up his step mother. My uncle had no idea what to do, so i told him to just talk to his son and find out what wrong. He acted liked I told him to walk to the moon.

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#66 GarGx1
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Back in a bit I'm off to the ATM, apparently I can press X to hack it now!

Thanks for teaching me these modern life skillz Ubisoft.

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#67  Edited By Seabas989
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@Demonjoe93 said:

I'm surprised none of his supporters have come in here calling everyone here a bunch of brainwashed sheeple.

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#68  Edited By The_Last_Ride
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@OniLordAsmodeus said:

@The_Last_Ride said:

what a fucking moron... Studies have proven this is not the case...

There is no point citing studies or science to people like that because "they know better". They are informed by their "common sense", "intuition", and their personal religious beliefs, which are in turn informed by there common sense and intuition; see the circular reasoning there? If reality and science (empirical evidence) don't agree with their worldview and their opinion, then they reject that information and defer to what they believe to be true; what they have "faith" in.

And that my friend is what i call a fucking moron

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#69 spike6958
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People have also died because of sport, be it playing the game, riots after a match, people arguing in a pub/bar over what team is better, or killing themselves because they lost a match that could have otherwise gotten them a place in a major team or into a university/collage. The only difference with this is that we can CONFIRM it's the sport is the cause, and yet no one would dream of talking about banning it, or stopping kids playing.

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#70  Edited By B4X
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@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

You're forgetting one big detail. Those countries are PROTECTED by America.

Yes, the rest of the world is protected by America and it's absurd interpretation of a 200+ year old constitutional amendment that should have been abolished the moment a standing army was created.

*sigh* Let me guess, you're one of those Americans who has never actually been anywhere else, right? Reminds me of my fellow Americans who also say that "the U.S. has the best health care in the world!!!!1111one", despite the fact that they have never been anywhere else, and that the statement is statistically incorrect.

There is no reasoning with ignorance and absurdity. I'm out.

That amendment is in place to protect Americans from corruption of Government and the threat of foreign invaders, against American freedoms.

Take your liberal stupidity, with your no gun having perfect world and live your blind existance. If the government collapses or there is an invasion of your home soil. You'll just be one of the first to die, and lie down like a dog. Your tune would change quick if you were watching your family members being brutally murdered, in your no protection having utopian dream.

Guns equal protections and freedoms. They are not just for monsters / criminals to predator over law abiding citizens.

You know another group of people that might have carried your same views? The 10 million Jewish people that died at the hands of an insane monster. I would love to think that if they were all armed and decided to fight back. Things could have been different. At least they could have died fighting. Where were their countries / governments to protect them? Maybe they should have had an second amendment in place?

We are all just either the hunter or the hunted when it comes down to it. We are humans after all. There are some very bad ones out there. Just waiting to take what little you have.

While you're relying on unsure government protections, and disarming yourself to a guaranteed historic fate. I would like to hope I can remain protecting myself.

That's just me though.

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#72  Edited By Blabadon
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@Heil68 said:

I love that he talks about Watch dogs and it having an anti hero..lol

But Heil, why are there no "hero heroes" in games man, why?

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#73  Edited By B4X
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@farrell2k: Tell me what 10-350 million civilians with guns could do?

You're just ONE horrible experience from being totally wrong in your opinion. Just one. That's all. One.

You're a statistic.

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#74  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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Who is this guy? Is he some sort of high profile person in the States?

Sounds like a pretty uninformed & naive person to me.

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#75  Edited By organic_machine
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I am sick and tired of this "war on ..." thing. It grates on my nerves just like the whole "gate" suffix. I know everybody likes to make massive headlines and troll but this "war" is just some dumbass' opinion. There's really nothing to see here.

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#76 Heil68
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@Blabadon said:

@Heil68 said:

I love that he talks about Watch dogs and it having an anti hero..lol

But Heil, why are there no "hero heroes" in games man, why?

He clearly hasn't played Mass Effect or 999.

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#77  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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le sigh....

I'm not one to argue politics, especially in a place like SW.

But just have a look at history. Take a good look at how bad things can get when a nation disarms its people, or when overly strict gun regulations are placed on law abiding citizens... Hint, it always goes to shit.

I'm not a gun owner, but I'm also not an idiot.

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#78  Edited By B4X
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@ConanTheStoner said:

le sigh....

I'm not one to argue politics, especially in a place like SW.

But just have a look at history. Take a good look at how bad things can get when a nation disarms it's people, or when overly strict gun regulations are placed on law abiding citizens... Hint, it always goes to shit.

I'm not a gun owner, but I'm also not an idiot.

There is one thing that is proven a hundred times over in our brief existence as a race. The powerful will ALWAYS exploit the weak.

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@GoldenElementXL said:

@topgunmv said:

He's that guy from the gold commercials right?

Ha yes. He also has millions of viewers/listeners daily.

And his own channel and an autobiography coming out soon called "A man and his dildos".

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#82  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

@farrell2k: Tell me what 10-350 million civilians with guns could do?

You're just ONE horrible experience from being totally wrong in your opinion. Just one. That's all. One.

You're a statistic.

What 300,000,000 mostly untrained people with guns do? Sure, they could stand on the ground with their guns and be nice targets from the air...or sea. You are delusional and very mistaken if you think your guns would be and effective deterrent to a military as powerful and equipped as the U.S.

We're all statistics, genius...

...wow man. What would a nation gain by destroying infrastructure and murdering its citizens in bulk? I'm sorry, but this is a childish view on the situation.

A tyrannical government would seek to control and enslave, not mass murder millions of citizens with heavy artillery lol.

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#83  Edited By B4X
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@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

@farrell2k: Tell me what 10-350 million civilians with guns could do?

You're just ONE horrible experience from being totally wrong in your opinion. Just one. That's all. One.

You're a statistic.

What 300,000,000 mostly untrained people with guns do? Sure, they could stand on the ground with their guns and be nice targets from the air...or sea. You are delusional and very mistaken if you think your guns would be and effective deterrent to a military as powerful and equipped as the U.S.

We're all statistics, genius...

You're one naïve motherfucker. When you climb your pussy ass behind the protection of a gun. Your governments guns. Then say guns are bad. What does that make you?

The American government is NEVER going to go all out war on American citizens. The American army is American citizens. The army will remove those in charge. Idiot.

STFU at me. Go find a hole to die in Coward.

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#84  Edited By B4X
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@ConanTheStoner said:

@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

@farrell2k: Tell me what 10-350 million civilians with guns could do?

You're just ONE horrible experience from being totally wrong in your opinion. Just one. That's all. One.

You're a statistic.

What 300,000,000 mostly untrained people with guns do? Sure, they could stand on the ground with their guns and be nice targets from the air...or sea. You are delusional and very mistaken if you think your guns would be and effective deterrent to a military as powerful and equipped as the U.S.

We're all statistics, genius...

...wow man. What would a nation gain by destroying infrastructure and murdering its citizens in bulk? I'm sorry, but this is a childish view on the situation.

A tyrannical government would seek to control and enslave, not mass murder millions of citizens with heavy artillery lol.

This guys a fucking idiot, clearly.

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#85  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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@b4x said:

This guys a fucking idiot, clearly.

Yeah, not the brightest apparently.

Anyways I've hit my "serious" discussion quota for the month. Hate discussing stuff like this online honestly. I'm out!

*vanishes*

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#86 B4X
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@ConanTheStoner said:

@b4x said:

This guys a fucking idiot, clearly.

Yeah, not the brightest apparently.

Anyways I've hit my "serious" discussion quota for the month. Hate discussing stuff like this online honestly. I'm out!

*vanishes*

same

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#87  Edited By The_Last_Ride
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@spike6958: 100% of people who have breathed air have died. Does that make oxygen make people kill each other? **** no. People just do sad and violent things. Somebody should have said something or noticed their problem. Blaming it on a fucking video game is fucking stupid

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#88  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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To be honest it's too tedious having a discussion about gun crime in America with people like this. Until they admit normal citizens shouldn't have guns in the first place, this will always happen. Trying to have a discussion on the subject is less useful than pouring boiling water in a chocolate tea pot. They want to blame everything else but the guns and they always will.

IMO, guns don't kill people, but it makes it much easier. Most of those same people wouldn't have the guts to do it with their bare hands or with a knife. Imo these are weapons for the armed forces, not a countries citizens.

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#90  Edited By ConanTheStoner
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@HalcyonScarlet said:

To be honest it's too tedious having a discussion about gun crime in America with people like this. Until they admit normal citizens shouldn't have guns in the first place, this will always happen. Trying to have a discussion on the subject is less useful than pouring boiling water in a chocolate tea pot. They want to blame everything else but the guns and they always will.

IMO, guns don't kill people, but it makes it much easier. Most of those same people wouldn't have the guts to do it with their bare hands or with a knife. Imo these are weapons for the armed forces, not a countries citizens.

Trust me man I do see your point of view on this. Unfortunately, it's not such a clear cut situation.

Yes, on paper it sounds great. Average citizens aren't walking around with guns, much less violence. Great!

The problem is that historically this has been proven false every single time. Your law abiding citizens will give up their guns, but not the criminals. Crime rates and violence spike. Rinse and repeat.

It's an unfortunate situation really, but not something that we should be seeking a perfect answer to. One extreme or the other will not work. I don't believe it should just be some free for all when it comes to the right to bear arms, but to remove that right is just as bad if not worse. Nothing hypothetical about that, it's been proven time and time again. There has to be some balance.

That's an issue of citizens protecting themselves from other citizens.

As for the armed forces being the only ones to carry, I do firmly disagree. I don't trust any government in the world to that degree. No paranoia here, the history is clear on this. Just have a look over the past century at nations that disarmed their people and see the gruesome results. I don't understand what makes people think that America would be any different.

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#91  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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@ConanTheStoner said:

@HalcyonScarlet said:

To be honest it's too tedious having a discussion about gun crime in America with people like this. Until they admit normal citizens shouldn't have guns in the first place, this will always happen. Trying to have a discussion on the subject is less useful than pouring boiling water in a chocolate tea pot. They want to blame everything else but the guns and they always will.

IMO, guns don't kill people, but it makes it much easier. Most of those same people wouldn't have the guts to do it with their bare hands or with a knife. Imo these are weapons for the armed forces, not a countries citizens.

Trust me man I do see your point of view on this. Unfortunately, it's not such a clear cut situation.

Yes, on paper it sounds great. Average citizens aren't walking around with guns, much less violence. Great!

The problem is that historically this has been proven false every single time. Your law abiding citizens will give up their guns, but not the criminals. Crime rates and violence spike. Rinse and repeat.

It's an unfortunate situation really, but not something that we should be seeking a perfect answer to. One extreme or the other will not work. I don't believe it should just be some free for all when it comes to the right to bear arms, but to remove that right is just as bad if not worse. Nothing hypothetical about that, it's been proven time and time again. There has to be some balance.

That's an issue of citizens protecting themselves from other citizens.

As for the armed forces being the only ones to carry, I do firmly disagree. I don't trust any government in the world to that degree. No paranoia here, the history is clear on this. Just have a look over the past century at nations that disarmed their people and see the gruesome results. I don't understand what makes people think that America would be any different.

But people from the NRA and republicans or whatever, don't even want to hear about alternatives. With enough research, they could find a viable non lethal alternatives to guns.

Smart guns (lethal, but can't be fired if you aren't the owner), tazers, whatever, they don't want to know.

Soldiers should be the ones to carry the guns. In so many other 1st world country it works fine. The ones it doesn't are kinda corrupt to begin with.

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#92 ConanTheStoner
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@HalcyonScarlet said:

But people from the NRA and republicans or whatever, don't even want to hear about alternatives. With enough research, they could find a viable non lethal alternatives to guns.

Smart guns (lethal, but can't be fired if you aren't the owner), tazers, whatever, they don't want to know.

Soldiers should be the ones to carry the guns. In so many other 1st world country it works fine. The ones it doesn't are kinda corrupt to begin with.

Well, good to know you're level headed on this. I do agree that there is an issue here and there has to be something that can be done. It seems both sides are always arguing extreme points and not willing to budge on anything. Sad really.

I can't say I'm too invested in this issue either way, my only stance is that people need the right to protect themselves at the very least.

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#93  Edited By B4X
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@farrell2k said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@farrell2k said:

@b4x said:

@farrell2k: Tell me what 10-350 million civilians with guns could do?

You're just ONE horrible experience from being totally wrong in your opinion. Just one. That's all. One.

You're a statistic.

What 300,000,000 mostly untrained people with guns do? Sure, they could stand on the ground with their guns and be nice targets from the air...or sea. You are delusional and very mistaken if you think your guns would be and effective deterrent to a military as powerful and equipped as the U.S.

We're all statistics, genius...

...wow man. What would a nation gain by destroying infrastructure and murdering its citizens in bulk? I'm sorry, but this is a childish view on the situation.

A tyrannical government would seek to control and enslave, not mass murder millions of citizens with heavy artillery lol.

Before I even continue this ridiculous discussion, A couple things needs to be said. First, there are nowhere near 300,000,000 people with guns. Current ownership rates about 35% of homes. That other moron, b4x was the one who brought up the nonsensical idea of being able to defeat the government, if needed, with guns, which is clearly a stupid argument, not only because it would never happen, but also because it could never happen. Gun owners are outgunned 1000 to 1.. Now, if that ridiculous scenario that gun nuts constantly fear really were to happen, mortar rounds and missile strikes are what we use to neutralize insurgents. See: Every war we have been in since the late 1930s...

Protect against and try to defeat are two different beasts? I never said DEFEATE the US military. SMH

Americans lost in Wars since the beginning of Americas Birth as a nation. These men died so we can sit in here and have this discussion. Not all were killed by missile and mortar strikes. With most American deaths resulting from the American Civil War. To protect the rights of enslaved citizens, being enslaved by their own Government.

It's actually estimated between 30%-%50 of all house holds have guns. We can low ball it if you want?

There are enough guns in America for every living single person in America to own one, that can be tracked. The FBI alone estimates there are 200 million privately owned fire arms in the US.

The Romans at one point became content in their past victories as a Massive Super Power. Cutting back on military. Bringing into to much Government and liberal ideals. How did that work out for them?

I have a different stance on things. I know what was sacrificed and lost to allow me to type this today on this forum. I also know what force was used to get every freedom we have, and how easily it can be lost.

Bad guys will ALWAYS have guns. Good guys should have a fighting chance. The average response time of any police officer is 5-10 min. You're a dead man in that amount of time. They make it in time to clean up the aftermath.

You have your views I have mine.

Peace

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