Gonna get flack, but Insomniac isn't one of the greater development houses

The hypocrisy on here is amazing.Almost all threads here are pure nitpicking on each and every aspect of PS3 and anything associated with Sony...you'll never see 'Team Ninja isn't one of the greater developement houses', or any threads critisizing any dev company assosicated with any other company, only system wars huh:roll:

Insomiac aren't the best, no one has ever claimed that, but they are extremely innovative, attentive, dedicated, and have one of the best work ethnics out of all the devs this gen...

Resistence is a prime example, those who play the game know how dedicated they are...patches, content, map packs, etc...

But, with that being said, there's developement houses on the 360 and Wii that aren't great either...

John_Keyes

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

It is somewhat impressive that they can pump out a decent game a year, but that's all they've really got going for them imo. They're definitely no where near the same league as Blizzard, Valve, or Bioware.

Pariah_001

At the same time, one must ask the question: If those other devs were pumping out one game a year, would they be of Insomniac quality? Or would they always need years to make decent games?

That's part of what seperates them from the pack, they don't put out a game unless it's something trueley special (although Bioware has dropped in quality lately). Personally, the ammount of time it takes them to make an amazing game is irrelevant to me, as long as it's amazing.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

It is somewhat impressive that they can pump out a decent game a year, but that's all they've really got going for them imo. They're definitely no where near the same league as Blizzard, Valve, or Bioware.

Pariah_001

At the same time, one must ask the question: If those other devs were pumping out one game a year, would they be of Insomniac quality? Or would they always need years to make decent games?

Imo.

They make good, competent and enjoyable games, but at their roots, that's all they've made thus far.

Resistance 2 might be one of their more ambitious efforts, but i don't get the way people big up them.

They're not an Intelligent Systems(Super Metroid, Thracia 7), a Team Ico(Ico, SOTC) or even a Retro or a Team Lionhead.

They make good, to great games, but they merely fill a library, not crown it.

Their games aren't the ones that come to mind when you think of gems of a game library.

Enjoy their games, and i have and will continue to do so, but don't make them bigger than they are. Unfair to them, and expectations placed on them, and unfair to the true greats.

Seraphimon

If you don't think Insomniac can make great games to fill a library, then you are flat out wrong.

In the PSone days, I spent countless hours playing the first three Spyro games, all developed by Insomniac. Spyro had huge replay value because there was simply so much to collect and no other game at the time had that much to do in it. Every Ratchet and Clank game was fun through the end, and leveling up weapons is a great idea, probably never used in any game before it. R$C: Up Your Arsenal got a perfect ten from GI magazine. Every one of their games scores consistently around 9/10. The only reason their games won't fill a library is because they don't have an unlimited amount of developers. To say they are not a great studio is an insult.

[QUOTE="John_Keyes"]

The hypocrisy on here is amazing.Almost all threads here are pure nitpicking on each and every aspect of PS3 and anything associated with Sony...you'll never see 'Team Ninja isn't one of the greater developement houses', or any threads critisizing any dev company assosicated with any other company, only system wars huh:roll:

Insomiac aren't the best, no one has ever claimed that, but they are extremely innovative, attentive, dedicated, and have one of the best work ethnics out of all the devs this gen...

Resistence is a prime example, those who play the game know how dedicated they are...patches, content, map packs, etc...

But, with that being said, there's developement houses on the 360 and Wii that aren't great either...

jg4xchamp

I have never heard a PS3 fan say Insomniac is the best Dev out there like some lemmings clearly claim that Bungie is. Cows say that Insomniac is a GREAT dev which is 100% true. Check out their Metacritic/Gamerankings scores for their games and you'll quickly understand why they are a great dev studio.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Agreed

Bungie Had Myth Series and Marathon. Then The big Halo Trilogy. With Halo COmbat Evolved and Halo 2 being the king of console shooters last gen. Halo 3 is still arguably 2nd best based on popularity so far.

Valve had Half Life

Nintendo has Zelda and Mario

Rockstar has Grand Theft Auto

Konami with Metal Gear Solid

Capcom with Resident Evil

Retro Studios had Metroid Prime Trilogy

Insomniac is good, but nothing special. In fact they are quite overrated. Epic as arrogant as they are still had Gears of War and Unreal 1 and Unreal 2k4jg4xchamp

The difference between Insomniac and all those that you just named off is that Insomniac is just one small studio. Capcom, Konami, Rockstar and Nintendo are a big collection of different studios. It's really unfair to compare them, unless you want to get into the specific studios of those companies you named.

I can agree with that. But just like you said in your next post, I really think Resistance 2 is going to be their game that they will always be known for. In the future whenever they announce a new game, the press release will always start off as "From the geniuses behind Resistance 2..." You can count on that.

Insomniac may not be the best studio out there, but they are persistant and never cease to impress. All their games are great or above unlike Rockstar which does have some really shoddy games thrown in for good measure (Manhunt 2) and while Bungie has been cranking out the AAAs remember that ever since they started working on Halo, thats all they have ever done. Insomniac isnt afraid to try sumthing new every once in a while and thats good.II_Seraphim_II

Insomniac may not be the best studio out there, but they are persistant and never cease to impress. All their games are great or above unlike Rockstar which does have some really shoddy games thrown in for good measure (Manhunt 2) and while Bungie has been cranking out the AAAs remember that ever since they started working on Halo, thats all they have ever done. Insomniac isnt afraid to try sumthing new every once in a while and thats good.II_Seraphim_II

That's all they've done because Microsoft wants money and Halo = money. The whole reason Bungie broke away from Microsoft is because they don't want to be stuck making Halo games for the rest of their careers.

That's part of what seperates them from the pack, they don't put out a game unless it's something trueley special (although Bioware has dropped in quality lately).TyrantDragon55

The KOTOR sequels disagree with you.

I could just as easily claim that they're simply incapable of coming up with a game with enough marketable quality year per year. More specifically: They need more time to make games that are functional.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

It is somewhat impressive that they can pump out a decent game a year, but that's all they've really got going for them imo. They're definitely no where near the same league as Blizzard, Valve, or Bioware.

TyrantDragon55

At the same time, one must ask the question: If those other devs were pumping out one game a year, would they be of Insomniac quality? Or would they always need years to make decent games?

That's part of what seperates them from the pack, they don't put out a game unless it's something trueley special (although Bioware has dropped in quality lately). Personally, the ammount of time it takes them to make an amazing game is irrelevant to me, as long as it's amazing.

Seriously the likes of insomniac and Blizzard, valve. They are just different kinds of devs. Just because they can put out a more refined game in more time it somehow makes them special or better than insomniac? Insomniac doesn't want to do that, they simply make the best games they can possible make in a time frame that is more reasonable to them. What if insomniac wanted to take more time on their games? Well they don't want to and they don't need to. Having one "amazing" game is not necissarily better than having 2 or 3 very good games.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="John_Keyes"]

The hypocrisy on here is amazing.Almost all threads here are pure nitpicking on each and every aspect of PS3 and anything associated with Sony...you'll never see 'Team Ninja isn't one of the greater developement houses', or any threads critisizing any dev company assosicated with any other company, only system wars huh:roll:

Insomiac aren't the best, no one has ever claimed that, but they are extremely innovative, attentive, dedicated, and have one of the best work ethnics out of all the devs this gen...

Resistence is a prime example, those who play the game know how dedicated they are...patches, content, map packs, etc...

But, with that being said, there's developement houses on the 360 and Wii that aren't great either...

II_Seraphim_II

I have never heard a PS3 fan say Insomniac is the best Dev out there like some lemmings clearly claim that Bungie is. Cows say that Insomniac is a GREAT dev which is 100% true. Check out their Metacritic/Gamerankings scores for their games and you'll quickly understand why they are a great dev studio.

here is a quick recap of Insomniac game scores on Metacritic:

Playstation 2:Ratchet: Deadlocked (2005) 81
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank (2002) 88
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (2003) 90
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters (2008) 62(Note that this is a port of PSP game)
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 3:Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (2007) 89
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Sony PSP:Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters (2007) 85
Sony Computer Entertainment

Playstation 2:Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal (2004) 91
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation:Spyro: Year of the Dragon (2000) 91

Playstation 3:Resistance: Fall of Man (2006) 86
Sony Computer Entertainment America

I may have missed a few games (like Disruptor...cant find the score) but as u can see, from all the games that Insomniac have made, only 1 game has gotten under 80% and that one game happens to be a a port of a PSP game, that got 85% ,onto the PS2.

Bioware, Valve, and Blizzard have done more than just decent.

Baldurs Gate 2, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect, etc have all had commercial and critical success in some way. on a much higher level than Insomniac games.jg4xchamp

This is contestable. One could argue that they have more expsure than Resistance (due to longer franchise exposure), but do you have the numbers to back up that their respective competitive sales are dis-proportionate from eachother?

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]That's part of what seperates them from the pack, they don't put out a game unless it's something trueley special (although Bioware has dropped in quality lately).Pariah_001

The KOTOR sequels disagree with you.

I could just as easily claim that they're simply incapable of coming up with a game with enough marketable quality year per year. More specifically: They need more time to make games that are functional.

KOTOR sequals? You mean the one that Bioware had nothing to do with?

Yeah, you could say that if you really wanted to, but it wouldn't matter. When Insomniac manages to make a game as good as Baldur's Gate 2, Starcraft, or Half Life let me know.

here is a quick recap of Insomniac game scores on Metacritic:

Playstation 2:Ratchet: Deadlocked (2005) 81
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank (2002) 88
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (2003) 90
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters (2008) 62(Note that this is a port of PSP game)
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 3:Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (2007) 89
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Sony PSP:Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters (2007) 85
Sony Computer Entertainment

Playstation 2:Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal (2004) 91
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation:Spyro: Year of the Dragon (2000) 91

Playstation 3:Resistance: Fall of Man (2006) 86
Sony Computer Entertainment America

I may have missed a few games (like Disruptor...cant find the score) but as u can see, from all the games that Insomniac have made, only 1 game has gotten under 80% and that one game happens to be a a port of a PSP game, that got 85% ,onto the PS2.

II_Seraphim_II

Actually you're wrong, the size matters wasn't made by insomniac so they don't have any games below 80%

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]That's part of what seperates them from the pack, they don't put out a game unless it's something trueley special (although Bioware has dropped in quality lately).Pariah_001

The KOTOR sequels disagree with you.

I could just as easily claim that they're simply incapable of coming up with a game with enough marketable quality year per year. More specifically: They need more time to make games that are functional.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

It is somewhat impressive that they can pump out a decent game a year, but that's all they've really got going for them imo. They're definitely no where near the same league as Blizzard, Valve, or Bioware.

munu9

At the same time, one must ask the question: If those other devs were pumping out one game a year, would they be of Insomniac quality? Or would they always need years to make decent games?

That's part of what seperates them from the pack, they don't put out a game unless it's something trueley special (although Bioware has dropped in quality lately). Personally, the ammount of time it takes them to make an amazing game is irrelevant to me, as long as it's amazing.

Seriously the likes of insomniac and Blizzard, valve. They are just different kinds of devs. Just because they can put out a more refined game in more time it somehow makes them special or better than insomniac? Insomniac doesn't want to do that, they simply make the best games they can possible make in a time frame that is more reasonable to them. What if insomniac wanted to take more time on their games? Well they don't want to and they don't need to. Having one "amazing" game is not necissarily better than having 2 or 3 very good games.

I'd agree if it were just 1 game, but it's not. Every full game Blizzard or Valve has ever made has been incredible and genre defining. Can't say the same about Insomniac.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]

here is a quick recap of Insomniac game scores on Metacritic:

Playstation 2:Ratchet: Deadlocked (2005) 81
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank (2002) 88
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (2003) 90
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 2:Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters (2008) 62(Note that this is a port of PSP game)
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation 3:Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (2007) 89
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Sony PSP:Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters (2007) 85
Sony Computer Entertainment

Playstation 2:Ratchet and Clank: Up Your Arsenal (2004) 91
Sony Computer Entertainment America

Playstation:Spyro: Year of the Dragon (2000) 91

Playstation 3:Resistance: Fall of Man (2006) 86
Sony Computer Entertainment America

I may have missed a few games (like Disruptor...cant find the score) but as u can see, from all the games that Insomniac have made, only 1 game has gotten under 80% and that one game happens to be a a port of a PSP game, that got 85% ,onto the PS2.

munu9

Actually you're wrong, the size matters wasn't made by insomniac so they don't have any games below 80%

oh yeah, my bad, it was made by HighImpact games that consists of ex-Insomniac programmers :P my bad....nice catch :D

WTH are you talking about? Spyro is a very memorable ps1 game and ratchet and clank was one my favorite ps2 games... munu9

Why do people insist on throwing out self-based arguments?

It's corny and useless.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Bioware, Valve, and Blizzard have done more than just decent.

Baldurs Gate 2, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect, etc have all had commercial and critical success in some way. on a much higher level than Insomniac games.Pariah_001

This is contestable. One could argue that they have more expsure than Resistance (due to longer franchise exposure), but do you have the numbers to back up that their respective competitive sales are dis-proportionate from eachother?

KOTOR sequals? You mean the one that Bioware had nothing to do with?TyrantDragon55

I was actually talking about Jade Empire. I thought it was one of the sequels, but I was wrong.

Yeah, you could say that if you really wanted to, but it wouldn't matter. When Insomniac manages to make a game as good as Baldur's Gate 2 or Starcraft let me know.TyrantDragon55

It's your own opinion that they haven't already. I still play Resistance to this day. So obviously I find it has a lot more value than an RPG.

In the case of an RTS or a MMO however, you're opening up a whole new can of worms. I could just as easily argue that it's moreso the nature of those games rather than the quality of them that attracts so much attention. This isn't to say that StarCraft and WoW don't have quality, but in the case of RTSs, people are immediately more excited about the genre even before they hear what the IP is.

But good job avoiding the point.

Insomniac is a pretty solid studio. I don't think anyone puts their games up there with Valve and Nintendo R&D1 or anything, but the fact that they can, year after year, deliver an AA game every single year without it really getting stale (something Neversoft failed to do) is pretty impressive.

One does have to wonder, though, why exactly they keep such a strict schedule. How come they choose not to spend 2 or 3 years on a game? Is it to prevent burnout in the studio, so people don't get sick of a single project? Or are they basically always working on two projects at once, each one two years in development, each leapfrogging the other?

2 of those are IPS they created and KOTOR was the only true franchise related game they had.

Mass Effect was a NEW IP.

Insomniac was Ratchet and Clank from 02-05 until they did something new with Resistance. So Insomniac had the exposure, especially with Ratchet and Clank which had 4 games in that 02-05 timespan.

Competitive sales no, that would take some chart hunting and VG charts isn't reliable enough for me to try them.

But critical success, sure all the Bioware games mentioned have hit AAA scores on metacritic with the exception being Jade Empire from what i remember. jg4xchamp

This doesn't answer my question. Bringing up R&C won't distract from Resistance's comparative sales (percentage-wise) even as a brand new franchise.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]KOTOR sequals? You mean the one that Bioware had nothing to do with?Pariah_001

I was actually talking about Jade Empire. I thought it was one of the sequels.

Yeah, you could say that if you really wanted to, but it wouldn't matter. When Insomniac manages to make a game as good as Baldur's Gate 2 or Starcraft let me know.TyrantDragon55

It's your own opinion that they haven't already. I still play Resistance to this day. So obviously I find it has a lot more value than an RPG.

In the case of an RTS or a MMO however, you're opening up a whole new can of worms. I could just as easily argue that it's moreso the nature of those games rather than the quality of them that attracts so much attention. This isn't to say that StarCraft and WoW don't have quality, but in the case of RTSs, people are immediately more excited about the genre even before they hear what the IP is.

But good job avoiding the point.

Bioware seems to be going down in quality, I admitted that a while ago. Could Blizzard or Valve make a decent game in the span of a year like Insomniac does? I don't know, the only way either of us could know is if they actually tried to do so. Let's look at the type of games Insomniac has been chruning out once per year though. Resistance and Ratchet and Clank; both fairly simplistic straight forward games, neither with very complex or involved storys, both with fairly standard gameplay for their particular genre. Maybe that's why they're able to crank out 1 game a year, maybe they're just not putting the ambition into their projects like Blizzard and Valve do.

Insomniac is a good, stopgap developer.

Sony pads out the year with Insomniac titles, while saving the big hype for a title like Killzone 2 or LBP. They fill out a library, and give the consumer something to play in the meantime.

I equate a Ratchet title to a Mario Baseball for Nintendo, or a generic shooter from Microsoft.

Only difference is, Nintendo pays Namco or Hudson to make the stopgap, Microsoft lets a third party sell, whereas Sony fans hype it up as a first party megahit.

Nintendo fans/fanboys know that Mario golf/baseball/basketball/soccer etc are just padding for the release lists, a practice from n64 days when there'd be months without notable releases.

They might say they plan on getting the games, but they don't hype them up as the second coming.

I never smh more than last fall, when people were placing hopes on Ratchet to make a difference. Ratchet?!

The character practically lifted from the sega genesis days of the many mascots who were marketed as hip, cool and happening?

Ratchet was just a successful holdover from the Blinx, Tak, Kangaroo that nobody wants to remember from era of early 2001-02.

You aren't gonna see a new Ratchet title on the cover of a big magazine like Egm, nor will you see a Mario Baseball or a Rainbow Six Vegas, but you will see a Sony fan hype up Ratchet as a potential megahit.

They're just not that guy, however much you wish otherwise.

And for the record, nobody hypes up Team Ninja as one of the big boys.

Insomniac is kinda like Rare, only they've yet to have their goldeneye or Perfect Dark(n64).

And the time length of the development is moot.

Insomniac creates yearly games which are good, but not the big games of a library.

Other developers take more time, and as such diligence begets more acclaim and lauding.

They make good games, but they don't make gems.

Imo.

They make good, competent and enjoyable games, but at their roots, that's all they've made thus far.

Resistance 2 might be one of their more ambitious efforts, but i don't get the way people big up them.

They're not an Intelligent Systems(Super Metroid, Thracia 7), a Team Ico(Ico, SOTC) or even a Retro or a Team Lionhead.

They make good, to great games, but they merely fill a library, not crown it.

Their games aren't the ones that come to mind when you think of gems of a game library.

Enjoy their games, and i have and will continue to do so, but don't make them bigger than they are. Unfair to them, and expectations placed on them, and unfair to the true greats.

Seraphimon

the ratchet and clank and spyro games were for the most part all AAA platformers. I didnt like Resistance 1 tho, who cares though,, PS3 owners get a lot of options holiday season while for 360 owners it really all rides on Gears of War2.

Insomniac is one of the better devs out there.

Spyro was great. (Well the first one mostly)

Ratchet and Clank is a bit over done. The first two or so where good and I'm enjoying Tools of Destruction. The later PS2 games werent needed IMO.

Dont have an opinion on Resistance.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="John_Keyes"]

The hypocrisy on here is amazing.Almost all threads here are pure nitpicking on each and every aspect of PS3 and anything associated with Sony...you'll never see 'Team Ninja isn't one of the greater developement houses', or any threads critisizing any dev company assosicated with any other company, only system wars huh:roll:

Insomiac aren't the best, no one has ever claimed that, but they are extremely innovative, attentive, dedicated, and have one of the best work ethnics out of all the devs this gen...

Resistence is a prime example, those who play the game know how dedicated they are...patches, content, map packs, etc...

But, with that being said, there's developement houses on the 360 and Wii that aren't great either...

jg4xchamp

I have never heard a PS3 fan say Insomniac is the best Dev out there like some lemmings clearly claim that Bungie is. Cows say that Insomniac is a GREAT dev which is 100% true. Check out their Metacritic/Gamerankings scores for their games and you'll quickly understand why they are a great dev studio.

Uhhhhh Bully?

[QUOTE="Seraphimon"]

the ratchet and clank and spyro games were for the most part all AAA platformers. I didnt like Resistance 1 tho, who cares though,, PS3 owners get a lot of options holiday season while for 360 owners it really all rides on Gears of War2.

signore

Lol.

Ratchet and Spyro both were basically the equivalent of a saturday morning cartoon.

Decent stuff, but nothing really groundbreaking or exceptional, just welldone games that people enjoy, and that enjoyed the userbase of the platforms they were on.

AAA? Not by a longshot.

Jersey Devil was a better platformer than Spyro imo, and Jak and Dexter crapped all over the Ratchet games in platforming.

Mario 64 was AAA.

Mario Galaxy is AAA.

Ratchet is definition of by the books.

Insomniac = Level 5 = < Rare

Oh and LMAO at the guy who called Ninja Gaiden a masterpiece.butteater86

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="John_Keyes"]

The hypocrisy on here is amazing.Almost all threads here are pure nitpicking on each and every aspect of PS3 and anything associated with Sony...you'll never see 'Team Ninja isn't one of the greater developement houses', or any threads critisizing any dev company assosicated with any other company, only system wars huh:roll:

Insomiac aren't the best, no one has ever claimed that, but they are extremely innovative, attentive, dedicated, and have one of the best work ethnics out of all the devs this gen...

Resistence is a prime example, those who play the game know how dedicated they are...patches, content, map packs, etc...

But, with that being said, there's developement houses on the 360 and Wii that aren't great either...

butteater86

I have never heard a PS3 fan say Insomniac is the best Dev out there like some lemmings clearly claim that Bungie is. Cows say that Insomniac is a GREAT dev which is 100% true. Check out their Metacritic/Gamerankings scores for their games and you'll quickly understand why they are a great dev studio.

Uhhhhh Bully?

[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="Seraphimon"]

the ratchet and clank and spyro games were for the most part all AAA platformers. I didnt like Resistance 1 tho, who cares though,, PS3 owners get a lot of options holiday season while for 360 owners it really all rides on Gears of War2.

Seraphimon

Lol.

Ratchet and Spyro both were basically the equivalent of a saturday morning cartoon.

Decent stuff, but nothing really groundbreaking or exceptional, just welldone games that people enjoy, and that enjoyed the userbase of the platforms they were on.

AAA? Not by a longshot.

Jersey Devil was a better platformer than Spyro imo, and Jak and Dexter crapped all over the Ratchet games in platforming.

Mario 64 was AAA.

Mario Galaxy is AAA.

Ratchet is definition of by the books.

Insomniac = Level 5 = < Rare

Oh and LMAO at the guy who called Ninja Gaiden a masterpiece.butteater86

What's wrong with it?

Quite frankly, it's the best at what it does.

True. I used to love the R&C games,but they certainly weren't standouts in the crowd of games last gen.

Resistance 2 might change this though.

Uhhhhh Bully?

butteater86

Also: Wild Metal Country :D

Insomniac is one of the better devs out there.

Spyro was great. (Well the first one mostly)

Ratchet and Clank is a bit over done. The first two or so where good and I'm enjoying Tools of Destruction. The later PS2 games werent needed IMO.

Dont have an opinion on Resistance.

hiho24

Better devs?

In relation to who?

Which one of their games is considered a crowning achievement, pretty much universally?

Intel Systems has Super Metroid.

Team Ico has SOTC.

Bungie has Halo.

Retro has Metroid Prime.

Santa Monica has God of War.

Insomniac has Spyro? Ratchet? Resistance?

No, good but merely good.

[QUOTE="revolution2k6"]not the best, but they produce very above average games and are extreamly releiable/consistantshadyd1717

^ This is why Insomniac is talked about so much. They're CONSISTANT. How many other dev's can you name put out a quality game almost EVERY year?

Valve? Although not often enough....

Well, the way I see it is that their quality is about EPIC games pre-Gear. I mean, the Ratchet and Clank series is comparable to the Unreal series in quality, isn't it?

Epic Game's Unreal Series:

1. Unreal Tournament 2004 PC - 92.9%
2. Unreal Tournament 3 PS3 - 86.1%
3. Unreal Tournament PC - 93.6%
4. Unreal Tournament 2003 PC - 88.2%
5. Unreal Championship XB - 82.8%
6. Unreal Championship 2 - Lilandri Conflict XB - 86.5%
7. Unreal Tournament 3 PC - 83.5%

Insomniac's Ratchet and Clank:

1. Ratchet and Clank PS2 - 89.3%
2. Ratchet and Clank Up Your Arsenal PS2 - 91.5%
3. Ratchet and Clank Going Commando PS2 - 90.6%
4. Ratchet and Clank Deadlocked PS2 - 82.5%
5. Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction PS3 - 88.497%

And that's not counting their Spyro series:

1. Spyro the Dragon PS - 85.7%
2. Spyro: Ripto's Rage PS - 90.6%
3. Spyro: Year of the Dragon PS - 86.6%

And then the Resistance series to the Gears series:

1. 86.782% - Resistance: Fall of Man
2. 93.750% - Gears of War