Good graphics....on PS3? look again....

[QUOTE="thepantmachine"]

Whilst playing KZ 2 and initially being impressed, I could not help but noticing it hardly looks high def even tho it allegedly renders in 720p....hmm.

Why is this? Well, has no one else noticed that anything more than a couple of feet in front of your face is reduced to a low poly count model with the textures being nothing more than a blob of colour (if you want to call grey a colour that is). Im sure this may look ok on an old school standard def TV however, playing it on a 46"Bravia is not a pleasing experience. It was hyped up to be the graphics champion of this generation and was the one reason my ps3 did not find a new home in bin months ago. Im disappointed that it has turned out to be horrible looking grey mess with a bunch of cheap motion blur and explosion tricks thrown in.

This seems to be a recurring theme with PS3 exclusives.

Uncharted and Heavenly Sword are also guilty of using these techniques. Motorstorm is a pretty terrible looking game, again covered up with tonnes of motion blur. Resistance 2......well it does not even try to hide it's poor graphics, but at least it is consistant.

I know a lot of other games use these kind of visual tricks but normally to a far less noticable extent. Anyway, the point is Killzone is not the best looking game around by a long shot and should not even be compared to the likes of Gears 2 or Crysis. I have lost all faith in ps3 and have no doubt in my mind that it will never exceed x360 in terms of graphics, anyone who believes otherwise is living in dreamland.

StealthKnife

I love it when people say "they are hiding the graphics with the 'tricks' such as motion blurring, different lighting effects, etc." I think it's hilarious, because motion blurring is a pretty complex graphical process, and KZ2 uses highly advanced techniques (not tricks), to make some great effects.dream431ca

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^ It's not necesarily motion blur, it can also be hardware scalling blur and/or quinux AA blur.

KZ2 is actualy full of tricks.

There's no HDR nor volumetric lighting just many 2D light sources and lightmaps, the shadows are not trully connected to the light sources nor volumes of the characters/objects/buildings, other effects such as the smoke and fire are not volumetric, particles are missing per pixel effects (such lighting), and the list goes on.

You can find more advanced tech, at least partially in quite old PC games such as Doom 3, Half-Life 2, Far Cry 1, FEAR 1.

i think cod 4 looks better than killzone 2 and geow 2 and it has some good death animations as well, and the depth of field in cod 4 is way better than killzone 2 and geow 2.delta3074

StealthKnife

2nd: Halo3 is not the 360's peak potential.

3rd: Sony defence force:lol:

^lol, halos visor doesnt even mirror its fake.

and i wouldnt say they are crappy pics as they hide the terrible jsggies halo has from ZERO AA.

Sony Defense Force really know their stuff, dem guyz r clever. I retract my previous post, the PS3 can do graphics.Floppy_Jim

Last post about this, I took back a 360 after seeing & playing gears of war and seeing it wasn't what people claimed and heard Gears 2 was more of a gears 1.5. Literally after scanning through pics upon pics I couldn't for the life of me find a Gears pic that had really any kind of lighting that would even possibly be called true to life lighting in anyway shape or form. Guess yall like the coral reef look, thats nice but I'll stick to something that tends to feel and look more true to life.

Sony Defense Force really know their stuff, dem guyz r clever. I retract my previous post, the PS3 can do graphics.Floppy_Jim

Prepare for a lot of fanboys flaming you i personally think both 360 and ps3 have amazing looking games.TX360

What he said. I find KZ2 rather depressing, which is why I'll stick with colorful games. Color seems to cheer me up, because I don't wanna see brown and grey and black wherever I go.

and i wouldnt say they are crappy pics as they hide the terrible jsggies halo has from ZERO AA. killzowned24

We all know Halo 3 isn't a graphical powerhouse, but it sure looks better than those SDF pics.

That is pretty much how it looks like, what happens when you resize them SDF styIe?

Those KZ2 pics are resized with PS or GIMP, so they wont lose any detail. The Halo3 pics with Paint or something.

Last post about this, I took back a 360 after seeing & playing gears of war and seeing it wasn't what people claimed and heard Gears 2 was more of a gears 1.5. Literally after scanning through pics upon pics I couldn't for the life of me find a Gears pic that had really any kind of lighting that would even possibly be called true to life lighting in anyway shape or form. Guess yall like the coral reef look, thats nice but I'll stick to something that tends to feel and look more true to life.

GreyFoXX4

^ Wow someone took a bite out of MC's finger in the above pic :PII_Seraphim_II

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]
and i wouldnt say they are crappy pics as they hide the terrible jsggies halo has from ZERO AA. killerfist

We all know Halo 3 isn't a graphical powerhouse, but it sure looks better than those SDF pics.

That is pretty much how it looks like, what happens when you resize them SDF styIe?

Those KZ2 pics are resized with PS or GIMP, so they wont lose any detail. The Halo3 pics with Paint or something.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]
and i wouldnt say they are crappy pics as they hide the terrible jsggies halo has from ZERO AA. killzowned24

We all know Halo 3 isn't a graphical powerhouse, but it sure looks better than those SDF pics.

That is pretty much how it looks like, what happens when you resize them SDF styIe?

Those KZ2 pics are resized with PS or GIMP, so they wont lose any detail. The Halo3 pics with Paint or something.

Your sig never gets old. And why are people comparing Halo 3 to KZ2? Seriously, Halo 3 was released years ago, I'm not really impressed if KZ2 can be better then it.

its a fair compare. your pic is way downgraded its nothing like the compare clearly.killzowned24

Whilst playing KZ 2 and initially being impressed, I could not help but noticing it hardly looks high def even tho it allegedly renders in 720p....hmm.

Why is this? Well, has no one else noticed that anything more than a couple of feet in front of your face is reduced to a low poly count model with the textures being nothing more than a blob of colour (if you want to call grey a colour that is). Im sure this may look ok on an old school standard def TV however, playing it on a 46"Bravia is not a pleasing experience. It was hyped up to be the graphics champion of this generation and was the one reason my ps3 did not find a new home in bin months ago. Im disappointed that it has turned out to be horrible looking grey mess with a bunch of cheap motion blur and explosion tricks thrown in.

This seems to be a recurring theme with PS3 exclusives.

Uncharted and Heavenly Sword are also guilty of using these techniques. Motorstorm is a pretty terrible looking game, again covered up with tonnes of motion blur. Resistance 2......well it does not even try to hide it's poor graphics, but at least it is consistant.

I know a lot of other games use these kind of visual tricks but normally to a far less noticable extent. Anyway, the point is Killzone is not the best looking game around by a long shot and should not even be compared to the likes of Gears 2 or Crysis. I have lost all faith in ps3 and have no doubt in my mind that it will never exceed x360 in terms of graphics, anyone who believes otherwise is living in dreamland.

thepantmachine

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i think cod 4 looks better than killzone 2 and geow 2 and it has some good death animations as well, and the depth of field in cod 4 is way better than killzone 2 and geow 2.killzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i think cod 4 looks better than killzone 2 and geow 2 and it has some good death animations as well, and the depth of field in cod 4 is way better than killzone 2 and geow 2.delta3074

killzone 2 won't beat COD 4 in multiplayer, i guaruntee it.delta3074

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="delta3074"]doesn't beat it in multiplayer, and in my mind in graphics either.delta3074

How do you know? I'm 10th Prestige CoD4 and was in the Killzone 2 beta and I love CoD4 but...Killzone 2 I found was a lot more fun.

Mixing up classes, cloaking and sniping people in the head, graphics, turrets and air bots. It's like CoD4 + Team Fortress 2 with 100x better graphics. Just like that one review said..forget which one.

I can't stand how some people can say something will suck when he/she has never played it.

I HAVE. It's awesome.

EDIT: I still have the beta installed if you want proof that I have it, I can take a picture.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] How do you know if it beats CoD4 in multiplayer or not? The game is not out yet!urdead18

How do you know? I'm 10th Prestige CoD4 and was in the Killzone 2 beta and I love CoD4 but...Killzone 2 I found was a lot more fun.

Mixing up classes, cloaking and sniping people in the head, graphics, turrets and air bots. It's like CoD4 + Team Fortress 2 with 100x better graphics. Just like that one review said..forget which one.

I can't stand how some people can say something will suck when he/she has never played it.

I HAVE. It's awesome.

EDIT: I still have the beta installed if you want proof that I have it, I can take a picture.

Clearly you can't identify sarcasm. I was just saying it looks quite a bit better, obviously not 100x.

It's the people that automatically say it's gonna suck, just because it's not on their system that are annoying.

It's multiplayer is definetely great. Then someone says "I guarantee it sucks" before he plays it. It's just so incredibly stupid lol.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="delta3074"]i think cod 4 looks better than killzone 2 and geow 2 and it has some good death animations as well, and the depth of field in cod 4 is way better than killzone 2 and geow 2.delta3074

Clearly you can't identify sarcasm. I was just saying it looks quite a bit better, obviously not 100x.

It's the people that automatically say it's gonna suck, just because it's not on their system that are annoying.

It's multiplayer is definetely great. Then someone says "I guarantee it sucks" before he plays it. It's just so incredibly stupid lol.

urdead18

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Clearly you can't identify sarcasm. I was just saying it looks quite a bit better, obviously not 100x.

It's the people that automatically say it's gonna suck, just because it's not on their system that are annoying.

It's multiplayer is definetely great. Then someone says "I guarantee it sucks" before he plays it. It's just so incredibly stupid lol.

delta3074

[QUOTE="thepantmachine"]

Whilst playing KZ 2 and initially being impressed, I could not help but noticing it hardly looks high def even tho it allegedly renders in 720p....hmm.

Why is this? Well, has no one else noticed that anything more than a couple of feet in front of your face is reduced to a low poly count model with the textures being nothing more than a blob of colour (if you want to call grey a colour that is). Im sure this may look ok on an old school standard def TV however, playing it on a 46"Bravia is not a pleasing experience. It was hyped up to be the graphics champion of this generation and was the one reason my ps3 did not find a new home in bin months ago. Im disappointed that it has turned out to be horrible looking grey mess with a bunch of cheap motion blur and explosion tricks thrown in.

This seems to be a recurring theme with PS3 exclusives.

Uncharted and Heavenly Sword are also guilty of using these techniques. Motorstorm is a pretty terrible looking game, again covered up with tonnes of motion blur. Resistance 2......well it does not even try to hide it's poor graphics, but at least it is consistant.

I know a lot of other games use these kind of visual tricks but normally to a far less noticable extent. Anyway, the point is Killzone is not the best looking game around by a long shot and should not even be compared to the likes of Gears 2 or Crysis. I have lost all faith in ps3 and have no doubt in my mind that it will never exceed x360 in terms of graphics, anyone who believes otherwise is living in dreamland.

NemeSyS-1

KZ2 looks amazing!! Maybe your Bravia isnt set properly. Maybe you should try using a HDMI cable instead of the composite that the PS3 came with!

Haha, funny guy.....

1. Of course I have a PS3, psn name is "shugatron". Also, I do have a 360 too and mummy and daddy don't buy be anything as I am a big boy now and dont live with them anymore.

2. TV is set properly. looks amazing for blu ray on ps3, 360 and skyHD. PS3 games are the weak link. Infact, I would say that beacuse my TV is setup correctly is the reason that I can see these graphical shortcomings of ps3's games. having a tv setup inncorectly would not add Aliasing, poor LOD technique or per pixel motion blur anyway would it?

3. Composite cable....you serious? Im the kind of guy who spends well over a grand (in pounds) on a TV, you think im stupid enough to put a composite cable anywhere near it?

Not all ps3 games are so terrible looking to be fair...Wipeout HD kicks ass, but I struggle to think of anything else that I am genuinely impressed by.

Most of KZ2 textures are really good but there are some textures that are alright but thats cause I was trying to take apart the Demo. The demo also has some glitches like there's this one part of a wall that doesnt show your bullet marks. Nonstop-Madness

so this thread is about the best looking console game not looking as good as you really think it does? TheOrigin

Pretty much. Although it is not the best looking console game in my opinion. To low res/ not crisp enough looking for my liking. I prefer the clean undithered look of other shooters like bioshock, L4D or FC2 where I can see things at the other side of the room clearly and the do not noticably pop in from low poly models to high poly versions as I approach. A bit of proper anti aliasing would be nice too.

I like sharp, clean, crisp looking image quality; so Killzone's out of focus/blur look isn't to my taste.AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]I like sharp, clean, crisp looking image quality; so Killzone's out of focus/blur look isn't to my taste.GTR_FX

[QUOTE="GTR_FX"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]I like sharp, clean, crisp looking image quality; so Killzone's out of focus/blur look isn't to my taste.Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="TheOrigin"]so this thread is about the best looking console game not looking as good as you really think it does? thepantmachine

Pretty much. Although it is not the best looking console game in my opinion. To low res/ not crisp enough looking for my liking. I prefer the clean undithered look of other shooters like bioshock, L4D or FC2 where I can see things at the other side of the room clearly and the do not noticably pop in from low poly models to high poly versions as I approach. A bit of proper anti aliasing would be nice too.