GOTY awards, this gen and last

Just something I'd been noticing lately. This generation, most cows claim the PS3 won this gen because it has the most GOTY awards (well, is going to. Uncharted 2 pretty much has it locked down). And thats fine and all because from an objective standpoint, that makes sense. But here's something out of curiousity, do these same cows agree then that the Gamecube was the best console of last generation? That the Gamecube won last gen? A quick refresher if you will.

Last generation, GOTYs were:

2001 - Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2)
2002 - Metroid Prime (GC)
2003 - Zelda Wind Waker (GC)
2004 - World of Warcraft (PC)
2005 - Resident Evil 4 (Gamecube version only)

So as you see, the Gamecube won more GOTY awards than every platform combined last generation. So, my only question is: if the PS3 won this gen because of GOTYs, did Gamecube win last gen?

Gamecube WAS the best console last gen :DSuperzone

Gamecube fails because Super Mario Sunshine was on it. end of discussion

[QUOTE="Superzone"]Gamecube WAS the best console last gen :DBloodSeeker1337

who gives a **** Jesus..

mD-

Shocker: fanboys are hypocrites. :P

[QUOTE="Superzone"]Gamecube WAS the best console last gen :DBloodSeeker1337

who gives a explative Jesus..

mD-

[QUOTE="BloodSeeker1337"][QUOTE="Superzone"]Gamecube WAS the best console last gen :DSuperzone

Gamecube fails because Super Mario Sunshine was on it. end of discussion

lafigueroa

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

[QUOTE="lafigueroa"]

Gamecube fails because Super Mario Sunshine was on it. end of discussion

Funconsole

A system with only three good games can't be the best system, even if those three games are the best games around. I mean, most people play more than three games over the life of their system.

The parallel isn't necessarily perfect, but the Gamecube definitely had some serious issues with game quantity, and the PS3 faced issues just as severe early in its lifecycle.

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Only AAAE's count? :(

I own over 40 games for my cube and I've put countless hours into nearly every single one of them. That's hardly a weak library.Superzone

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Who is discounting AAAEs?

[QUOTE="Superzone"]I own over 40 games for my cube and I've put countless hours into nearly every single one of them. That's hardly a weak library.jg4xchamp

Playing a game for 1,000 hours obviously indicates that it's very good...

They believed the ps2 was the best last gen based on all of its qualities over the competition, and they believe the ps3 is the best this gen based on all of its qualities compared to the competition. Nothing has really changed in that respect. MGS4 and Uncharted 2 is just scratching the surface of the ps3's greatness.Nobody can really control what Gamespot gives GOTY to or not.

They believed the ps2 was the best last gen based on all of its qualities over the competition, and they believe the ps3 is the best this gen based on all of its qualities compared to the competition. Nothing has really changed in that respect. MGS4 and Uncharted 2 is just scratching the surface of the ps3's greatness.Nobody can really control what Gamespot gives GOTY to or not.

Nike_Air

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

Regisland

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

Skittles_McGee

Well that's the problem, you made an assumption and you're wrong.

people don't claim PS3 won "solely" due to the GOTY awards lol, Trust me people already decided that based on the number of AAAE titles that got realeased those years.

Receiving GOTY, however, is the conformation that out of the few games that did receive AAAE these years that our games are indeed the of the best of the best becaue xbox people are so quick point out how they think their games are better and that they don't think that PS3 games don't even deserve to be AAA, the GOTY awards is kind of an official STFU notice for all the PS3 fans to wave in their face.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Well that's the problem, you made anassumptionand you'rewrong.

people don't claim PS3 won "solely" due to the GOTY awards lol, Trust me people already decided that based on the number of AAAE titles that got realeased those years.

Receiving GOTY, however, is the conformation that out of the few games that did receive AAAE these years that our games are indeed the of the best of the best becaue xbox people are so quick point out how they think their games are better and that they don't think that PS3 games don't even deserve to be AAA, the GOTY awards is kind of an official STFU notice for all the PS3 fans to wave in their face.

Just something I'd been noticing lately. This generation, most cows claim the PS3 won this gen because it has the most GOTY awards (well, is going to. Uncharted 2 pretty much has it locked down). And thats fine and all because from an objective standpoint, that makes sense. But here's something out of curiousity, do these same cows agree then that the Gamecube was the best console of last generation? That the Gamecube won last gen? A quick refresher if you will.

Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

sonicmj1

Who is discounting AAAEs?

did you know that in 2001 that PS2 had over 10 AAAE's?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Superzone"]I own over 40 games for my cube and I've put countless hours into nearly every single one of them. That's hardly a weak library.Superzone

Playing a game for 1,000 hours obviously indicates that it's very good...

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]

Just something I'd been noticing lately. This generation, most cows claim the PS3 won this gen because it has the most GOTY awards (well, is going to. Uncharted 2 pretty much has it locked down). And thats fine and all because from an objective standpoint, that makes sense. But here's something out of curiousity, do these same cows agree then that the Gamecube was the best console of last generation? That the Gamecube won last gen? A quick refresher if you will.

white_sox

The KING of System Wars, The HERO of System Wars, the Hippy Manticore of System Wars, and Gamespotter of the Year Nominee does not see these claims being made in SW. Perhaps I missed one of the many thousands of threads I searched though.

GOTY isn't even decided for 2009, and when it is, it won't determine best console, but it is an indicator of the game's quality.

In fact, I will say that no matter what wins GOTY, it won't change the quality of amazing games that came out this year.

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LINK to these claims? Are they Gamespot Low Level potentially fakeboy posters?

I see a lot of threads in SW pointing fingers at groups, and make entire threads with no real proof of this groups involvement.

An example of this is creating an ENTIRELY new thread in SW claiming, "Why do all Hermits say CRYSIS is the best game?", when in reality, I'm stretching the truth to fit my argument and make Hermits look bad at the same time. The Reality is actually, Crysis is used in SW to show graphic dominance, any claims to it being the best game ever can be handled in that thread. Why would I make a new thread and point fingers at just HERMITS? I wouldn't. Then again, I'm King for a reason. I try to avoid pointing fingers at Groups, and using terms like Lemmings, Cows, Sheep, etc. It's all about being fair. ;)

I still am waiting to see a link, or perhaps the person that made such claims visit this thread, so that I can see how new their Gamespot account is. It's possible that it's a fakeboy, an alt account, a real life fanboy...that is, if he isn't a phantom. I still can't find these claims. Link?

*Goes back to playing L4D2 on Xbox 360, trying to unlock free and cool Avatar clothing, and reaching for 101,000 Gamerscore. :P*

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Who is discounting AAAEs?

did you know that in 2001 that PS2 had over 10 AAAE's?

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Who is discounting AAAEs?

did you know that in 2001 that PS2 had over 10 AAAE's?

Yes.

What's your point?

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 has like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty muchALL the system hadthewholeof each one of those years give or take a title or two.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming more and with those it's ALSO receiveing AAA to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Well that's the problem, you made an assumption and you're wrong.

people don't claim PS3 won "solely" due to the GOTY awards lol, Trust me people already decided that based on the number of AAAE titles that got realeased those years.

Receiving GOTY, however, is the conformation that out of the few games that did receive AAAE these years that our games are indeed the of the best of the best becaue xbox people are so quick point out how they think their games are better and that they don't think that PS3 games don't even deserve to be AAA, the GOTY awards is kind of an official STFU notice for all the PS3 fans to wave in their face.

Gamecube fails because Super Mario Sunshine was on it. end of discussion

lafigueroa

lol That's full of win right there.:P

Honestly, if you look at the PS2, there are TOO many titles so it's hard to stand out. Which is why many gems were hidden. This gen is similar too, many multiplatform gems get burried underneath all the exclusives.

The GC didn't have a lot of 3rd party support so big titles stood out a lot more than the PS2 while the Xbox while worthwhile, didn't have the quality of games like let's say Wind Waker or even Prime.

There's a difference.

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] You're missing my logic entirely. I'm not saying GOTYs are all that matter, I'm saying they AREN'T. My point was people claim the PS3 won SOLELY due to the GOTY awards its winning, when GOTYs obviously aren't the be-all end-all seeing as the Gamecube could hardly be considered to have won last gen, yet it DOMINATED in GOTY awards. Thats my entire point. Using ONLY the GOTYs as proof of your console winning doesn't work.jg4xchamp

Well that's the problem, you made an assumption and you're wrong.

people don't claim PS3 won "solely" due to the GOTY awards lol, Trust me people already decided that based on the number of AAAE titles that got realeased those years.

Receiving GOTY, however, is the conformation that out of the few games that did receive AAAE these years that our games are indeed the of the best of the best becaue xbox people are so quick point out how they think their games are better and that they don't think that PS3 games don't even deserve to be AAA, the GOTY awards is kind of an official STFU notice for all the PS3 fans to wave in their face.

So the number of quality titles decide which console is winning? I thought the sales did here on SW.:P

Back to Back GOTYs doesn't change or effect an entire library. The PS3 and 360 if i'm not mistaken are either dead even on that major spreadsheet, or metacritic scores, or gamespot scores, and the PS3 is still behind the PC. The sales are won by the Wii. The funny thing is The War was over long ago, everyone else is just arguing pointless crap usually. Like graphics, because you know who cares if Crysis Warhead looks better than everything, clearly a console game is still a graphics king :)jg4xchamp

i agree to the highest extent

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

boredy-Mcbored

Only AAAE's count? :(

Do you know the treatment the PS3 got in 2007? and do you know the reason?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="playharderfool"]

Well that's the problem, you made an assumption and you're wrong.

people don't claim PS3 won "solely" due to the GOTY awards lol, Trust me people already decided that based on the number of AAAE titles that got realeased those years.

Receiving GOTY, however, is the conformation that out of the few games that did receive AAAE these years that our games are indeed the of the best of the best becaue xbox people are so quick point out how they think their games are better and that they don't think that PS3 games don't even deserve to be AAA, the GOTY awards is kind of an official STFU notice for all the PS3 fans to wave in their face.

sanim02

So the number of quality titles decide which console is winning? I thought the sales did here on SW.:P

Just something I'd been noticing lately. This generation, most cows claim the PS3 won this gen because it has the most GOTY awards (well, is going to. Uncharted 2 pretty much has it locked down). And thats fine and all because from an objective standpoint, that makes sense. But here's something out of curiousity, do these same cows agree then that the Gamecube was the best console of last generation? That the Gamecube won last gen? A quick refresher if you will.

Last generation, GOTYs were:

2001 - Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2)
2002 - Metroid Prime (GC)
2003 - Zelda Wind Waker (GC)
2004 - World of Warcraft (PC)
2005 - Resident Evil 4 (Gamecube version only)

So as you see, the Gamecube won more GOTY awards than every platform combined last generation. So, my only question is: if the PS3 won this gen because of GOTYs, did Gamecube win last gen?

Skittles_McGee

no, basing things ONLY on goty is not the way it works :|

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

[QUOTE="playharderfool"]

problem with you logic is that PS2 had like a jabillion AAAE titles release in all those years you're talking about. The GOTY titles the GC did have was pretty much ALL the console received for the entirety of each one of those years give or take a title or two AAAE's.

Problem is now that not many AAAE titles can't be claimed by a vast majority by any perticual console this gen, But PS3 is claiming a little more and with those it's ALSO receiveingGOTY to boot.

I don't see how you logic applies at all to this gen. If xbox360 had 5 AAAE titles and PS3 had 2 AAAE titles and 1 of those two got GOTY I would still think 360 won, but you don't even have that kind of foundation to base your claimes on. Your just reaching, even if PS3 didn't win GOTY it would still beat out the other console for higher scoring exclusives in 2008 and 2009, just accept it and enjoy your console.

playharderfool

Only AAAE's count? :(

Do you know the treatment the PS3 got in 2007? and do you know the reason?

no, basing things ONLY on goty is not the way it works :|

dragonfly110