Gran Turismo vs. Forza

Well, seeing how damage is apparantly going to make it into GT5 at some point, gotta go with GT.mudman91878

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]Well, seeing how damage is apparantly going to make it into GT5 at some point, gotta go with GT.Shenmue_Jehuty

They already confirmed it. GT5 will have damage.

I personally like GT5P more, it's really fun especially if you have a wheel.

Other then graphics,

GTp is a total joke.

Forza has always been >>>>>> GT

Other then graphics,

GTp is a total joke.

Forza has always been >>>>>> GT

TheOwnerOner

Forza wins by default since there is no PS3 GT game.

i mean full game, not a meaty demo.

For me it's GT. Forza kind of attempts everything GT does and then throws damage at it. I just find that GT is the more full, and all around better presented experience of the two.

I enjoy both, but GTP already looks like that and GT5 is yet to come out.

i've yet to see GT lose any poll in SW against another racing game.SambaLele

well then u know there is something wrong.

Forza 2 > Gt5 simply because it isnt out yet.

how can an unreleased game be better then a established AAAE?

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]i've yet to see GT lose any poll in SW against another racing game.-GhostMLD-

well then u know there is something wrong.

Forza 2 > Gt5 simply because it isnt out yet.

how can an unreleased game be better then a established AAAE?

Because GT5 will continue a series that has established a formula that works. Whine about lack of damage, bumper cars, unnecessary cars, etc... if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that millions of people worldwide go crazy for the GT series. The formula works. GT basically curb-stomps all other racing sims.

Like another poster mentioned, I've never seen GT lose any sort of comparison poll in these forums. There's nothing "wrong," as you say. You just can't accept reality.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]i've yet to see GT lose any poll in SW against another racing game.-GhostMLD-

well then u know there is something wrong.

Forza 2 > Gt5 simply because it isnt out yet.

how can an unreleased game be better then a established AAAE?

This thread is about opinions not gamespot scores. People can rest assured anyway, the lead designer behind GT is a perfectionist.

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]i've yet to see GT lose any poll in SW against another racing game.Jared2720

well then u know there is something wrong.

Forza 2 > Gt5 simply because it isnt out yet.

how can an unreleased game be better then a established AAAE?

Because GT5 will continue a series that has established a formula that works. Whine about lack of damage, bumper cars, unnecessary cars, etc... if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that millions of people worldwide go crazy for the GT series. The formula works. GT basically curb-stomps all other racing sims.

that was the case until forza 1 came and did EVERYTHING a mile better. now GT is playing catch-up. and hell we'll be getting 2 superior racing sims on 360 before ps3 gets even 1 at this point :(

Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.BioShockOwnz

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.ash10692

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

Nope. I've played Forza 2 and GT5: P, have you? If so, can I get some proof...

GT5p + PS3 + G25 = This :D

Now that is my cup of tea...

Edit: Forgot part of the equation!

This is a classic battle of gameplay vs graphics.

I'll take gameplay any day.

Forza is just a better overall racing simulation game thant GT. GT is playing catch up now.

[QUOTE="ash10692"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.BioShockOwnz

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

Nope. I've played Forza 2 and GT5: P, have you? If so, can I get some proof...

No Prologue is a waste of money. I'm basing it on both series in general . I do prefer Forza though.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.ash10692

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

[QUOTE="ash10692"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.Makari

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

I agree with him. Forza just didn't have the cars down realistically from perspective, though it was fun

To everyone who is saying GT5 has less realistic gameplay then Forza 2, you don't know what you are talking about. GT5 is far more realistic then Forza; Forza just feels more like an arcade racer then a real racing sim to me, it's still fun to play though.Shenmue_Jehuty

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?

Greenawalt:We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain.

IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit?

Greenawalt:With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

IGN: How important is tuning your car in order to win later races or on harder difficulties?

Greenawalt:Upgrading is critical to success in the game -- both online and off. But tuning really isn't required to be successful. Truth is, tuning only makes a difference to a skilled driver. If you're not a consistent driver, tuning ain't gonna do much. Basically, tuning is able to pull a couple seconds off a laptime. If your lap times vary from one lap to another by 5-10 seconds, tuning won't make as much difference as practice will. Online and amongst the top tier drivers, I expect tuning to make a huge difference. The nice thing about setup downloads, Gifting and Auction House, is that great tuners can feed great drivers. Tuning and driving are two different skills. A Good team will be unstoppable.

IGN: What do you expect will be the most common mistake when people tune their cars?

Greenawalt:Most people underestimate the importance of weight reduction. Losing weight is often better than adding power. You can brake later and corner faster. And losing weight to the rims and tires (called unsprung weight) is better still. You not only get the added benefits of reduced weight in the way of better proportional friction. Decreased unsprung weight also keeps the tires in contact with the road more frequently -- even over bumpy terrain.

IGN: Forza 2 allows for powertrain swaps. How do you think that will impact Forza both offline and online?

Greenawalt:Forza is about "car passion." We want to give cars like the Honda Civic legs so it can become a supercar killer. However, 600 horsepower is much better married to an AWD or RWD drivetrain. That much horsepower in FWD is just begging for constant under-steer under acceleration. RWD is faster with a standard car setup -- you can use the front tires for 100% cornering and the rear tires for 80% cornering and 20% acceleration, but that requires analog input. AWD is heavier. However, it's much easier to "hamfist" your way around a course in a 600hp car if it's AWD. Powertrain swaps is a very powerful way to empower the low-end cars and the drivers that love them.

IGN: What can you place on the auction block? Is it just cars or can I sell the skins I've created, parts, etc.?

Greenawalt: Auction House centers on the car. But, the car really is just a sexy transfer device. You use the car to send skins, part groups, and car setups. Also, you can use Gifting and AH to transfer custom layer groups if you want. To do this, simply create a cool custom layer group, gift it to a friend, and he/she can then select that layer group on the car and save it in their own inventory.

IGN: How exactly do auctions work? Can I set how long an auction lasts for? Do I set the opening bid?

Greenawalt:Forza's Auction House is very similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. You can post auctions for different time periods. Every time someone bids on an item in the last few minutes, the expiration time extends to cut down on "sniping." You can pay more to make it a featured item (so it sorts to the top of the page). There are extensive search options to help you find the item you're looking for. All transactions are for in-game credits.

IGN: Can we expect some special auction items from Turn 10?

Greenawalt:Yep. We call them unicorns -- because they are very rare. These are cars that can only be received off the Auction House. They aren't supercars -- these aren't cars required to be successful in any way. However, if you want to "collect them all," you'll have to go to the AH.

This just a very Small portion, Shall I go on ?

This is a classic battle of gameplay vs graphics.

I'll take gameplay any day.

bungie93

No it's not, it's just another battle of one side trying to work out how they can make an arguement without sounding like all they enjoy doing is destroying cars, while the other can't really say much other than how good their game looks.

However since I have played both series I can say that it is gameplay and graphics on both sides, but less of both on forza side imo.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]To everyone who is saying GT5 has less realistic gameplay then Forza 2, you don't know what you are talking about. GT5 is far more realistic then Forza; Forza just feels more like an arcade racer then a real racing sim to me, it's still fun to play though.SecretPolice

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?

Greenawalt:We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain.

IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit?

Greenawalt:With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

IGN: How important is tuning your car in order to win later races or on harder difficulties?

Greenawalt:Upgrading is critical to success in the game -- both online and off. But tuning really isn't required to be successful. Truth is, tuning only makes a difference to a skilled driver. If you're not a consistent driver, tuning ain't gonna do much. Basically, tuning is able to pull a couple seconds off a laptime. If your lap times vary from one lap to another by 5-10 seconds, tuning won't make as much difference as practice will. Online and amongst the top tier drivers, I expect tuning to make a huge difference. The nice thing about setup downloads, Gifting and Auction House, is that great tuners can feed great drivers. Tuning and driving are two different skills. A Good team will be unstoppable.

IGN: What do you expect will be the most common mistake when people tune their cars?

Greenawalt:Most people underestimate the importance of weight reduction. Losing weight is often better than adding power. You can brake later and corner faster. And losing weight to the rims and tires (called unsprung weight) is better still. You not only get the added benefits of reduced weight in the way of better proportional friction. Decreased unsprung weight also keeps the tires in contact with the road more frequently -- even over bumpy terrain.

IGN: Forza 2 allows for powertrain swaps. How do you think that will impact Forza both offline and online?

Greenawalt:Forza is about "car passion." We want to give cars like the Honda Civic legs so it can become a supercar killer. However, 600 horsepower is much better married to an AWD or RWD drivetrain. That much horsepower in FWD is just begging for constant under-steer under acceleration. RWD is faster with a standard car setup -- you can use the front tires for 100% cornering and the rear tires for 80% cornering and 20% acceleration, but that requires analog input. AWD is heavier. However, it's much easier to "hamfist" your way around a course in a 600hp car if it's AWD. Powertrain swaps is a very powerful way to empower the low-end cars and the drivers that love them.

IGN: What can you place on the auction block? Is it just cars or can I sell the skins I've created, parts, etc.?

Greenawalt: Auction House centers on the car. But, the car really is just a sexy transfer device. You use the car to send skins, part groups, and car setups. Also, you can use Gifting and AH to transfer custom layer groups if you want. To do this, simply create a cool custom layer group, gift it to a friend, and he/she can then select that layer group on the car and save it in their own inventory.

IGN: How exactly do auctions work? Can I set how long an auction lasts for? Do I set the opening bid?

Greenawalt:Forza's Auction House is very similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. You can post auctions for different time periods. Every time someone bids on an item in the last few minutes, the expiration time extends to cut down on "sniping." You can pay more to make it a featured item (so it sorts to the top of the page). There are extensive search options to help you find the item you're looking for. All transactions are for in-game credits.

IGN: Can we expect some special auction items from Turn 10?

Greenawalt:Yep. We call them unicorns -- because they are very rare. These are cars that can only be received off the Auction House. They aren't supercars -- these aren't cars required to be successful in any way. However, if you want to "collect them all," you'll have to go to the AH.

This just a very Small portion, Shall I go on ?

So you post a bunch of photomode screens.... You guys could at least be honest. Ohh and all that physics information isn't going to make me feel better when playing it if it still doesn't feel realistic.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.ash10692

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

How can that game be called "more Arcadey"? If anything GT would be the most like an arcade game because it has less customisation and is much simpler all round. It's not arcadey at all imo, none of the games are, but im just disproving your point!

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]To everyone who is saying GT5 has less realistic gameplay then Forza 2, you don't know what you are talking about. GT5 is far more realistic then Forza; Forza just feels more like an arcade racer then a real racing sim to me, it's still fun to play though.leejohnson7

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?

Greenawalt:We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain.

IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit?

Greenawalt:With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

IGN: How important is tuning your car in order to win later races or on harder difficulties?

Greenawalt:Upgrading is critical to success in the game -- both online and off. But tuning really isn't required to be successful. Truth is, tuning only makes a difference to a skilled driver. If you're not a consistent driver, tuning ain't gonna do much. Basically, tuning is able to pull a couple seconds off a laptime. If your lap times vary from one lap to another by 5-10 seconds, tuning won't make as much difference as practice will. Online and amongst the top tier drivers, I expect tuning to make a huge difference. The nice thing about setup downloads, Gifting and Auction House, is that great tuners can feed great drivers. Tuning and driving are two different skills. A Good team will be unstoppable.

IGN: What do you expect will be the most common mistake when people tune their cars?

Greenawalt:Most people underestimate the importance of weight reduction. Losing weight is often better than adding power. You can brake later and corner faster. And losing weight to the rims and tires (called unsprung weight) is better still. You not only get the added benefits of reduced weight in the way of better proportional friction. Decreased unsprung weight also keeps the tires in contact with the road more frequently -- even over bumpy terrain.

IGN: Forza 2 allows for powertrain swaps. How do you think that will impact Forza both offline and online?

Greenawalt:Forza is about "car passion." We want to give cars like the Honda Civic legs so it can become a supercar killer. However, 600 horsepower is much better married to an AWD or RWD drivetrain. That much horsepower in FWD is just begging for constant under-steer under acceleration. RWD is faster with a standard car setup -- you can use the front tires for 100% cornering and the rear tires for 80% cornering and 20% acceleration, but that requires analog input. AWD is heavier. However, it's much easier to "hamfist" your way around a course in a 600hp car if it's AWD. Powertrain swaps is a very powerful way to empower the low-end cars and the drivers that love them.

IGN: What can you place on the auction block? Is it just cars or can I sell the skins I've created, parts, etc.?

Greenawalt: Auction House centers on the car. But, the car really is just a sexy transfer device. You use the car to send skins, part groups, and car setups. Also, you can use Gifting and AH to transfer custom layer groups if you want. To do this, simply create a cool custom layer group, gift it to a friend, and he/she can then select that layer group on the car and save it in their own inventory.

IGN: How exactly do auctions work? Can I set how long an auction lasts for? Do I set the opening bid?

Greenawalt:Forza's Auction House is very similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. You can post auctions for different time periods. Every time someone bids on an item in the last few minutes, the expiration time extends to cut down on "sniping." You can pay more to make it a featured item (so it sorts to the top of the page). There are extensive search options to help you find the item you're looking for. All transactions are for in-game credits.

IGN: Can we expect some special auction items from Turn 10?

Greenawalt:Yep. We call them unicorns -- because they are very rare. These are cars that can only be received off the Auction House. They aren't supercars -- these aren't cars required to be successful in any way. However, if you want to "collect them all," you'll have to go to the AH.

This just a very Small portion, Shall I go on ?

So you post a bunch of photomode screens.... You guys could at least be honest.

What I posted is a Turn 10 interview with IGN and you got what ? :lol:

[QUOTE="ash10692"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Forza is a far more realistic sim, so therefore it does what it's supposed to do, yet it does it better. Forza wins. GT is behind the times when it comes to simulation gameplay.readingfc_1

I think not. It's a lot more arcadey compared to GT.

How can that game be called "more Arcadey"? If anything GT would be the most like an arcade game because it has less customisation and is much simpler all round. It's not arcadey at all imo, none of the games are, but im just disproving your point!

I hate emotional arguments and GT vs. Forza may possibly be the ultimate SW emotional argument.

GT is the past folks, no damage, no ability to chat to the other racers, not even online until a short time ago.

In almost every respect that can be measured logically GT is behind the times and the only thing proping up this game now is sentimentality and nostalgia.

Graphics are more important than features and those graphics are only achieved at the expense of realtime cosmetic changes to the cars? People may want to start upgrading their priorities.

I'm a pretty big GT fan and even own the coffee table book Driving the Game but when every other race game raised the standard over 3 or 4 years ago and GT did not follow they lost me.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]To everyone who is saying GT5 has less realistic gameplay then Forza 2, you don't know what you are talking about. GT5 is far more realistic then Forza; Forza just feels more like an arcade racer then a real racing sim to me, it's still fun to play though.SecretPolice

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?

Greenawalt:We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain.

IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit?

Greenawalt:With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

IGN: How important is tuning your car in order to win later races or on harder difficulties?

Greenawalt:Upgrading is critical to success in the game -- both online and off. But tuning really isn't required to be successful. Truth is, tuning only makes a difference to a skilled driver. If you're not a consistent driver, tuning ain't gonna do much. Basically, tuning is able to pull a couple seconds off a laptime. If your lap times vary from one lap to another by 5-10 seconds, tuning won't make as much difference as practice will. Online and amongst the top tier drivers, I expect tuning to make a huge difference. The nice thing about setup downloads, Gifting and Auction House, is that great tuners can feed great drivers. Tuning and driving are two different skills. A Good team will be unstoppable.

IGN: What do you expect will be the most common mistake when people tune their cars?

Greenawalt:Most people underestimate the importance of weight reduction. Losing weight is often better than adding power. You can brake later and corner faster. And losing weight to the rims and tires (called unsprung weight) is better still. You not only get the added benefits of reduced weight in the way of better proportional friction. Decreased unsprung weight also keeps the tires in contact with the road more frequently -- even over bumpy terrain.

IGN: Forza 2 allows for powertrain swaps. How do you think that will impact Forza both offline and online?

Greenawalt:Forza is about "car passion." We want to give cars like the Honda Civic legs so it can become a supercar killer. However, 600 horsepower is much better married to an AWD or RWD drivetrain. That much horsepower in FWD is just begging for constant under-steer under acceleration. RWD is faster with a standard car setup -- you can use the front tires for 100% cornering and the rear tires for 80% cornering and 20% acceleration, but that requires analog input. AWD is heavier. However, it's much easier to "hamfist" your way around a course in a 600hp car if it's AWD. Powertrain swaps is a very powerful way to empower the low-end cars and the drivers that love them.

IGN: What can you place on the auction block? Is it just cars or can I sell the skins I've created, parts, etc.?

Greenawalt: Auction House centers on the car. But, the car really is just a sexy transfer device. You use the car to send skins, part groups, and car setups. Also, you can use Gifting and AH to transfer custom layer groups if you want. To do this, simply create a cool custom layer group, gift it to a friend, and he/she can then select that layer group on the car and save it in their own inventory.

IGN: How exactly do auctions work? Can I set how long an auction lasts for? Do I set the opening bid?

Greenawalt:Forza's Auction House is very similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. You can post auctions for different time periods. Every time someone bids on an item in the last few minutes, the expiration time extends to cut down on "sniping." You can pay more to make it a featured item (so it sorts to the top of the page). There are extensive search options to help you find the item you're looking for. All transactions are for in-game credits.

IGN: Can we expect some special auction items from Turn 10?

Greenawalt:Yep. We call them unicorns -- because they are very rare. These are cars that can only be received off the Auction House. They aren't supercars -- these aren't cars required to be successful in any way. However, if you want to "collect them all," you'll have to go to the AH.

This just a very Small portion, Shall I go on ?

So you post a bunch of photomode screens.... You guys could at least be honest.

What I posted is a Turn 10 interview with IGN and you got what ? :lol:

I have posted in at least 10 of these threads with over five paragraphs each time, and each time that was the last post and nobody ever replied, but like I said, that bunch of information is taken for granted, especially when sony did a better job of making the cars more realistic in every aspect.

I hate emotional arguments and GT vs. Forza may possibly be the ultimate SW emotional argument.

GT is the past folks, no damage, no ability to chat to the other racers, not even online until a short time ago.

In almost every respect that can be measured logically GT is behind the times and the only thing proping up this game now is sentimentality and nostalgia.

Graphics are more important than features and those graphics are only achieved at the expense of realtime cosmetic changes to the cars? People may want to start upgrading their priorities.

I'm a pretty big GT fan and even own the coffee table book Driving the Game but when every other race game raised the standard and GT did not follow they lost me.

Riverwolf007

No damage is subjective here, and personally I could care about it, but it's just a casual selling point to me. Online experience with sims can be bad, especially on XBL. Lag, disconnections, unsporting behavior and racing backwards are things you don't see in single player (at least not intentionally).

If they actually do want to implement damage, then I want to see them do it right as well; my feelings are that this game is meant to be a simulator, and therefor it either simulates the race with a decent collision penalty system as well or it can stay out of GT.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]To everyone who is saying GT5 has less realistic gameplay then Forza 2, you don't know what you are talking about. GT5 is far more realistic then Forza; Forza just feels more like an arcade racer then a real racing sim to me, it's still fun to play though.leejohnson7

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?

Greenawalt:We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain.

IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit?

Greenawalt:With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

IGN: How important is tuning your car in order to win later races or on harder difficulties?

Greenawalt:Upgrading is critical to success in the game -- both online and off. But tuning really isn't required to be successful. Truth is, tuning only makes a difference to a skilled driver. If you're not a consistent driver, tuning ain't gonna do much. Basically, tuning is able to pull a couple seconds off a laptime. If your lap times vary from one lap to another by 5-10 seconds, tuning won't make as much difference as practice will. Online and amongst the top tier drivers, I expect tuning to make a huge difference. The nice thing about setup downloads, Gifting and Auction House, is that great tuners can feed great drivers. Tuning and driving are two different skills. A Good team will be unstoppable.

IGN: What do you expect will be the most common mistake when people tune their cars?

Greenawalt:Most people underestimate the importance of weight reduction. Losing weight is often better than adding power. You can brake later and corner faster. And losing weight to the rims and tires (called unsprung weight) is better still. You not only get the added benefits of reduced weight in the way of better proportional friction. Decreased unsprung weight also keeps the tires in contact with the road more frequently -- even over bumpy terrain.

IGN: Forza 2 allows for powertrain swaps. How do you think that will impact Forza both offline and online?

Greenawalt:Forza is about "car passion." We want to give cars like the Honda Civic legs so it can become a supercar killer. However, 600 horsepower is much better married to an AWD or RWD drivetrain. That much horsepower in FWD is just begging for constant under-steer under acceleration. RWD is faster with a standard car setup -- you can use the front tires for 100% cornering and the rear tires for 80% cornering and 20% acceleration, but that requires analog input. AWD is heavier. However, it's much easier to "hamfist" your way around a course in a 600hp car if it's AWD. Powertrain swaps is a very powerful way to empower the low-end cars and the drivers that love them.

IGN: What can you place on the auction block? Is it just cars or can I sell the skins I've created, parts, etc.?

Greenawalt: Auction House centers on the car. But, the car really is just a sexy transfer device. You use the car to send skins, part groups, and car setups. Also, you can use Gifting and AH to transfer custom layer groups if you want. To do this, simply create a cool custom layer group, gift it to a friend, and he/she can then select that layer group on the car and save it in their own inventory.

IGN: How exactly do auctions work? Can I set how long an auction lasts for? Do I set the opening bid?

Greenawalt:Forza's Auction House is very similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. You can post auctions for different time periods. Every time someone bids on an item in the last few minutes, the expiration time extends to cut down on "sniping." You can pay more to make it a featured item (so it sorts to the top of the page). There are extensive search options to help you find the item you're looking for. All transactions are for in-game credits.

IGN: Can we expect some special auction items from Turn 10?

Greenawalt:Yep. We call them unicorns -- because they are very rare. These are cars that can only be received off the Auction House. They aren't supercars -- these aren't cars required to be successful in any way. However, if you want to "collect them all," you'll have to go to the AH.

This just a very Small portion, Shall I go on ?

So you post a bunch of photomode screens.... You guys could at least be honest.

What I posted is a Turn 10 interview with IGN and you got what ? :lol:

I have posted in at least 10 of these threads with over five paragraphs each time, and each time that was the last post and nobody ever replied, but like I said, that bunch of information is taken for granted, especially when sony did a better job of making the cars more realistic in every aspect.

You. me, him & her could give a fanboy opinion over & over - try obtaining some cold hard facts from interviews or dev diaries where the dev's are quoted & PUBLISHED b/c that my friend carries the wieght ! Pun Indented ! :)

Oh and yeah - you are on such thin ice - move off soon, please, before I sink you big time with even more of the features of Forza 2.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"]

So you post a bunch of photomode screens.... You guys could at least be honest.

SecretPolice

What I posted is a Turn 10 interview with IGN and you got what ? :lol:

I have posted in at least 10 of these threads with over five paragraphs each time, and each time that was the last post and nobody ever replied, but like I said, that bunch of information is taken for granted, especially when sony did a better job of making the cars more realistic in every aspect.

You. me, him & her could give a fanboy opinion over & over - try obtaining some cold hard facts from interviews or dev diaries where the dev's are quoted & PUBLISHED b/c that my friend carries the wieght ! Pun Indented ! :)

Oh and yeah - you are on such thin ice - move off soon, please, before I sink you big time with even more of the features of Forza 2.

:shock: that's forza 2?!?!?!? i thought it was forza 3. that's it i'm going to play forza 2 RIGHT NOW. thanks for reminding me of it's awesome win. :D

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I hate emotional arguments and GT vs. Forza may possibly be the ultimate SW emotional argument.

GT is the past folks, no damage, no ability to chat to the other racers, not even online until a short time ago.

In almost every respect that can be measured logically GT is behind the times and the only thing proping up this game now is sentimentality and nostalgia.

Graphics are more important than features and those graphics are only achieved at the expense of realtime cosmetic changes to the cars? People may want to start upgrading their priorities.

I'm a pretty big GT fan and even own the coffee table book Driving the Game but when every other race game raised the standard and GT did not follow they lost me.

leejohnson7

No damage is subjective here, and personally I could care about it, but it's just a casual selling point to me. Online experience with sims can be bad, especially on XBL. Lag, disconnections, unsporting behavior and racing backwards are things you don't see in single player (at least not intentionally).

If they actually do want to implement damage, then I want to see them do it right as well; my feelings are that this game is meant to be a simulator, and therefor it either simulates the race with a decent collision penalty system as well or it can stay out of GT.

My experences online are not negative because I contol who gets booted in my games. If someone is a jerk then they are gone, it's as simple as that.

This whole people hurt my feelings online argument has been done to death and that is the responsibilty of the host.

I'm a good host and work hard to protect the people I game with and as a result of that have piles of great gamers on my friends list that have fun while racing and playing any other type of game online.

We need to start placing the blame where the blame is due, online gaming is not inherently broken.

I have posted in at least 10 of these threads with over five paragraphs each time, and each time that was the last post and nobody ever replied, but like I said, that bunch of information is taken for granted, especially when sony did a better job of making the cars more realistic in every aspect.

leejohnson7

If you've got such awesome, thread ending evidence to back up your claims, then why not post it already instead of talking about it? Don't talk about it, be about it.

Why don't we wait until GT5 and Forza 3 are released?

Right now we are compring a last gen game with a current gen one or a glamorized demo to a full game.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]To everyone who is saying GT5 has less realistic gameplay then Forza 2, you don't know what you are talking about. GT5 is far more realistic then Forza; Forza just feels more like an arcade racer then a real racing sim to me, it's still fun to play though.SecretPolice

IGN: Can you talk about some of the more crucial additions to the physics engine as compared to the original Forza?

Greenawalt:We're pretty obsessed with physics. It takes upwards of 9000 parameters to define a car in our simulation -- everything's got weight and inertia from the engine, driveline and clutch to the rims and tires. We spent over three months on the tire physics alone. You can't overestimate the importance of tire modeling and a physics simulation. Tire physics are a very dynamic science. The manufacturers are learning new things about the properties of tires all the time. We partnered with real-world tire manufacturers including Toyo to make sure we were on the cutting edge of tire technology.

Also, we run our physics at 360 fps. This makes the cars very responsive like in the real world. Some games run their physics at 60 fps, this makes the cars unresponsive -- they feel like they are driving in molasses. Occasionally, players mis-identify the unresponsiveness as weight and inertia, but that's not the case. Even heavy cars with a high polar inertia like mine are very responsive in the real-world. By running our physics at 360 frames per second, we can recreate every nuance of a car's behavior as it transfers load as well as each bump in the road and change in terrain.

IGN: There are pits in some of the tracks. Will these play any role in races? And please explain the decision to keep pits open in short races, when it would be completely unnecessary to pit?

Greenawalt:With damage, it's never completely unnecessary to pit. Even in a short race, if there is a giant smash up in the first corner and the AI gets significantly damaged, it will pit on the next lap. With our simulation damage turned on, the car becomes completely un-drivable -- and the race doesn't end until the player says it does. You may not win if you pit, but it does allow you to keep "griefing" the AI. Give it a try; you'll see how much fun it can be.

IGN: How important is tuning your car in order to win later races or on harder difficulties?

Greenawalt:Upgrading is critical to success in the game -- both online and off. But tuning really isn't required to be successful. Truth is, tuning only makes a difference to a skilled driver. If you're not a consistent driver, tuning ain't gonna do much. Basically, tuning is able to pull a couple seconds off a laptime. If your lap times vary from one lap to another by 5-10 seconds, tuning won't make as much difference as practice will. Online and amongst the top tier drivers, I expect tuning to make a huge difference. The nice thing about setup downloads, Gifting and Auction House, is that great tuners can feed great drivers. Tuning and driving are two different skills. A Good team will be unstoppable.

IGN: What do you expect will be the most common mistake when people tune their cars?

Greenawalt:Most people underestimate the importance of weight reduction. Losing weight is often better than adding power. You can brake later and corner faster. And losing weight to the rims and tires (called unsprung weight) is better still. You not only get the added benefits of reduced weight in the way of better proportional friction. Decreased unsprung weight also keeps the tires in contact with the road more frequently -- even over bumpy terrain.

IGN: Forza 2 allows for powertrain swaps. How do you think that will impact Forza both offline and online?

Greenawalt:Forza is about "car passion." We want to give cars like the Honda Civic legs so it can become a supercar killer. However, 600 horsepower is much better married to an AWD or RWD drivetrain. That much horsepower in FWD is just begging for constant under-steer under acceleration. RWD is faster with a standard car setup -- you can use the front tires for 100% cornering and the rear tires for 80% cornering and 20% acceleration, but that requires analog input. AWD is heavier. However, it's much easier to "hamfist" your way around a course in a 600hp car if it's AWD. Powertrain swaps is a very powerful way to empower the low-end cars and the drivers that love them.

IGN: What can you place on the auction block? Is it just cars or can I sell the skins I've created, parts, etc.?

Greenawalt: Auction House centers on the car. But, the car really is just a sexy transfer device. You use the car to send skins, part groups, and car setups. Also, you can use Gifting and AH to transfer custom layer groups if you want. To do this, simply create a cool custom layer group, gift it to a friend, and he/she can then select that layer group on the car and save it in their own inventory.

IGN: How exactly do auctions work? Can I set how long an auction lasts for? Do I set the opening bid?

Greenawalt:Forza's Auction House is very similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. You can post auctions for different time periods. Every time someone bids on an item in the last few minutes, the expiration time extends to cut down on "sniping." You can pay more to make it a featured item (so it sorts to the top of the page). There are extensive search options to help you find the item you're looking for. All transactions are for in-game credits.

IGN: Can we expect some special auction items from Turn 10?

Greenawalt:Yep. We call them unicorns -- because they are very rare. These are cars that can only be received off the Auction House. They aren't supercars -- these aren't cars required to be successful in any way. However, if you want to "collect them all," you'll have to go to the AH.

This just a very Small portion, Shall I go on ?

So you post a bunch of photomode screens.... You guys could at least be honest.

What I posted is a Turn 10 interview with IGN and you got what ? :lol:

I have posted in at least 10 of these threads with over five paragraphs each time, and each time that was the last post and nobody ever replied, but like I said, that bunch of information is taken for granted, especially when sony did a better job of making the cars more realistic in every aspect.

You. me, him & her could give a fanboy opinion over & over - try obtaining some cold hard facts from interviews or dev diaries where the dev's are quoted & PUBLISHED b/c that my friend carries the wieght ! Pun Indented ! :)

Oh and yeah - you are on such thin ice - move off soon, please, before I sink you big time with even more of the features of Forza 2.

lol... so you actually enjoy the game more having been told about the physics engine. And this one persons opinion is more important because?

Let's clarrify, the damage can take up two 0.5 seconds to calculate in forza, which looks silly and isn't even accurate at that, which doesn't vary between the severity of crashes.

That pun doesn't make sense in the slightest. You can keep making GT out to be ridge racer as well if you want but it just makes you sound like a fanboy when you quote all that information and telling me I have to do the same and then exaggerating about how GTs physics suck with silly jokes.

Cold hard facts don't really exist for subjective issues such as which game is a more realistic racer. That said you could quote that hyped up information or some golden balls journolist, but I could argue whether at the end of the day it made any difference because the physics in forza don't look right, the cars don't behave correctly, the AI makes the same mistakes over and over if you retry on certain races, they ignore your position and crash you off the road, the AI has became stuck in forza twice while I was playing (on the new york level to be precise).

Posting features of Forza; again I don't care about because 1. I played the game long enough to know about all of the features 2. most of them arent things we are even discussing, and it will just broaden this arguement even further. Another "feature" is how much they are supposed to have researched AI using learning AI and universities knowledge to help them, but again this experimental choice just made one or two flaws in the CPU controlled vehicles (in certain vehicles, on certain maps). At least GT's AI was consistantly mundane (if that is how you would discribe it, I would simply say that they had no preset driving **** different than proffessional, and stick to the driving line when not overtaking).

All that said, most none fanboys around here would agree that GT feels spot on with the cars in how the handle, particularly with the wheel.

Why don't we wait until GT5 and Forza 3 are released?

Right now we are compring a last gen game with a current gen one or a glamorized demo to a full game.

II-FBIsniper-II

It holds it's own as a full game.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

I hate emotional arguments and GT vs. Forza may possibly be the ultimate SW emotional argument.

GT is the past folks, no damage, no ability to chat to the other racers, not even online until a short time ago.

In almost every respect that can be measured logically GT is behind the times and the only thing proping up this game now is sentimentality and nostalgia.

Graphics are more important than features and those graphics are only achieved at the expense of realtime cosmetic changes to the cars? People may want to start upgrading their priorities.

I'm a pretty big GT fan and even own the coffee table book Driving the Game but when every other race game raised the standard and GT did not follow they lost me.

Riverwolf007

No damage is subjective here, and personally I could care about it, but it's just a casual selling point to me. Online experience with sims can be bad, especially on XBL. Lag, disconnections, unsporting behavior and racing backwards are things you don't see in single player (at least not intentionally).

If they actually do want to implement damage, then I want to see them do it right as well; my feelings are that this game is meant to be a simulator, and therefor it either simulates the race with a decent collision penalty system as well or it can stay out of GT.

My experences online are not negative because I contol who gets booted in my games. If someone is a jerk then they are gone, it's as simple as that.

This whole people hurt my feelings online argument has been done to death and that is the responsibilty of the host.

I'm a good host and work hard to protect the people I game with and as a result of that have piles of great gamers on my friends list that have fun while racing and playing any other type of game online.

We need to start placing the blame where the blame is due, online gaming is not inherently broken.

lol, but that kind of detaches you from the sense of realism these simulators are supposed to have, hence I play offline. Why risk ruining the experience right?