Graphics DO effect gameplay

We all know that gameplay is more important than graphics. But at the same time, we have to realise that graphics DO have some effect on the gameplay. For example, take a look at the original Far Cry game. In that game, you occasionally get shot by snipers who hide from VERY far distances from you. If you try to zoom in and shoot them back, you will notice that their heads are just a few pixels in size, meaning that it would be extremely difficult to play this game on standard defintion. Just for fun, I decided to test this game on lowest resolution on my PC. And guess what? I couldn't even see any of the enemies shooting me because the resolution was far too low I could hardly see their heads.

So there you go. Graphics DO have some influence on gameplay. I wonder what Nintendo has to say about this, considering the fact that FarCry is actually on the Wii? I guess they will still say "As long as the gameplay is good, the graphics don't matter at all". Right, because a game where you can't see your enemies becausethe resolution is too low still equals good gameplay?

Thoughts?

Resolution=graphics? I learn something new everyday!BubbyJello

Obviously, games have to be designed around the limitations of the platform, and a larger resolution and graphical output does equate to better draw distances and such.

However, this tiny fragment of gameplay to do with seeing the enemies is miniscule in terms of what can be offered by input device, by physics engines, and by a myriad of other things that dont really have anything to do with the visuals.

I would rather developers focus on their scripts, the interactivity of their product, the use of input device and their physics engines than worry about how shiny the thing looks on screen. Pretty games are all well and good, but if they play like crap...

...on the other hand, if a game is a lower resolution, but plays fluidly, then that is surely better?

Also, Im sure Nintendo couldnt care less about that shoddy Far Cry port.

I think it helps. Being stand looking at some amazing visuals is part of my gameplay experience. for sure

It's a trick!! Resolution =/= graphics... topic point is moot.

Res is an important part of graphics, fire up a game is 1680*1050 and play for a bit, now put the same game down to 1280*768 and tell me it isn't more enjoyable when you can make things out moer clearly in the distance.

Graphics do enchance some areas of gameplay, an example would be that a horror game would be more frightening if it had more realistic monsters with excellent lighting compared to a blocky model and horrible lighting.

So you're saying Braid in 1080i has better graphics then Super Mario Galaxy in 480i?BubbyJello

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

It's a trick!! Resolution =/= graphics... topic point is moot.

PandaBear86

[QUOTE="BubbyJello"]So you're saying Braid in 1080i has better graphics then Super Mario Galaxy in 480i?PandaBear86

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"] Resolution IS A PART of graphics. Just like how your fingers are a part of your hand. My goodness some people are ignorant

PandaBear86

Give me proof that resolution scale makes graphics better. That's what I say to you sir.

Res is an important part of graphics, fire up a game is 1680*1050 and play for a bit, now put the same game down to 1280*768 and tell me it isn't more enjoyable when you can make things out moer clearly in the distance.

SapSacPrime

[QUOTE="BubbyJello"]So you're saying Braid in 1080i has better graphics then Super Mario Galaxy in 480i?PandaBear86

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="BubbyJello"]So you're saying Braid in 1080i has better graphics then Super Mario Galaxy in 480i?BubbyJello

If you can tell me which mario looks better I'll give you a cookie. If you can't then your link between resolution and graphics is fake and this topic should die.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Megaman @ 1080p doesn't make it 32bit. Resolution scale doesn't change graphics, it just turns one small black pixel into 10 small black pixels, it in no way shape or form makes the graphics better hence why I say resolution =/= graphics. Your topic is a ploy to make graphics somehow linked to gameplay in-which again I say Megaman 10.Mystic-G

Give me proof that resolution scale makes graphics better. That's what I say to you sir.

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[QUOTE="PandaBear86"] Resolution is ONE aspect of graphics. There are other aspects wich are also important too. Why are you comparing a game with 2D gameplay with SMG anyways? PandaBear86

If you can tell me which mario looks better I'll give you a cookie. If you can't then your link between resolution and graphics is fake and this topic should die.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="BubbyJello"] Because Braid has a higher resolution, so by what you were saying, Braid has better graphics.

It depends from movie to movie, and also depends on what kind of camera they shot the movie with. Oh, and these movies are not made up of 3D models like FarCry is. Why are you bringing this up?PandaBear86

Alright, how do the graphics look 'better'?

Alright, how do the graphics look 'better'?

Mystic-G

Alright, how do the graphics look 'better'?

Mystic-G

I dont think its fair to rag on this guy as much as you are doing.

When I played World at War, I was using the SCART cables the PS3 came with because I only had an SD CRT television. When I upgraded and switched to HDMI, the resolution made a world of difference. Previously, the game had been a jaggy mess, and I had just gotten used to it. With the clarity of HD, I was able to pick off opponents much easier and from a further distance.

It is ridiculous to claim that resolution doesnt have an effect on distance perception and clarity and that this, in turn, doesnt have an effect on the gameplay. Its just that the difference if neglible next to input, physics and fresh ideas.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

It's a trick!! Resolution =/= graphics... topic point is moot.

PandaBear86

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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

It's a trick!! Resolution =/= graphics... topic point is moot.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"] Resolution IS A PART of graphics. Just like how your fingers are a part of your hand. My goodness some people are ignorant

eveileb-ekam

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I fail to see where the graphics suddenly got better.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

It's a trick!! Resolution =/= graphics... topic point is moot.

PandaBear86

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I fail to see where the graphics suddenly got better.

Mystic-G

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I fail to see where the graphics suddenly got better.

Mystic-G

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I fail to see where the graphics suddenly got better.

Megaman @ 1080p doesn't make it 32bit. Resolution scale doesn't change graphics, it just turns one small black pixel into 10 small black pixels, it in no way shape or form makes the graphics better hence why I say resolution =/= graphics. Your topic is a ploy to make graphics somehow linked to gameplay in which you still have no proof. Resolution affects gameplay, but you have no proof that resolution is linked to graphics.

Mystic-G

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I fail to see where the graphics suddenly got better.

eveileb-ekam

It only seems better because a larger screen stretches a small resolution game whereas a higher resolution is outputting for such sizes.

[QUOTE="eveileb-ekam"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

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I fail to see where the graphics suddenly got better.

Mystic-G

It only seems better because a larger screen stretches a small resolution game whereas a higher resolution is outputting for such sizes.

And resolution does not make graphics "seem" better. It makes them better. Play Mass Effect 2 on an SDTV. You can hardly read the words when browsing your inventory, and mnay ME2 buyers actually complained about this on the BioWare forums. Try telling them that resolution has nothing to do with graphics, let alone readability?

Graphics are important, but gameplay is more important. I don't want to sacrifice large, explorable environments and immersiveness for really good graphics. And that seems to be the trend these days on consoles.

[QUOTE="kidcool189"]]ya sure, keep telling yourself that..Mystic-G

Graphics are important, but gameplay is more important. I don't want to sacrifice large, explorable environments and immersiveness for really good graphics. And that seems to be the trend these days on consoles.

JonSnow777

Graphics are important, but gameplay is more important. I don't want to sacrifice large, explorable environments and immersiveness for really good graphics. And that seems to be the trend these days on consoles.

JonSnow777

Well scale is a part of graphics.

It's just that a lof of developers are focusing on other aspects of graphics.

I would argue though that good AI, animations, physics and high polygon models is important to get me immersed in a game's world.

[QUOTE="JonSnow777"]

Graphics are important, but gameplay is more important. I don't want to sacrifice large, explorable environments and immersiveness for really good graphics. And that seems to be the trend these days on consoles.

PandaBear86

And.

GTA4, Read Dead: Redemption, Red Faction: Guerilla, The Saboteur, Just Cause 2 and why not Fallout 3.

[QUOTE="JonSnow777"]

Graphics are important, but gameplay is more important. I don't want to sacrifice large, explorable environments and immersiveness for really good graphics. And that seems to be the trend these days on consoles.

PandaBear86

Even Dragon Age was full of narrow, small and linear environments. Compare the forest in Dragon Age to a forest in Neverwinter Nights or Baldurs Gate to see what I mean.