Graphics don't matter?

For the people that says Graphics doesnt matter, and only gameplay is important.

Would you guys still play Gears2, Halo3, MGS4, Uncharted if it had PS1 or gameboy graphics?

gameplay is all that matters right?

For me, if we can have both good gameplay and good graphics, why not? we payed big bucks for this gaming machines and then we should be expecting advanced visuals.

what you guys think?

graphics matter aloooot.kaangonultas

Graphics do matter, but not as much as you make it seem. Halo is not praised for it's graphics...at all. Poor example btw. killerfist

would people still play Halo3 even without its current graphics?def_mode

I would, but that's not the point.

Graphics need to evolve, depending on the platform. 360/Ps3 have higher standards in terms of graphics compared to the Wii. People expect more from those two. PC has again higher standards compared to the Ps3/360. So yeah, I get what you're saying. Some people are just spoiled.

BTW: if graphics matter that much, why is the Wii the best selling console? Why is the DS selling like hotcakes? Why is WoW so popular?;)

They do but if they relesed FF7 again teh PS3 with a whole lot of extra content (say 8-10 hours) BUT it had EXACTLLY the same graphics as the original would you but it?

Graphic are important but not as important as gameplay.

Bad graphic but great gameplay still equals a game i can play for a long time.

Bad gamplay but top graphic equals a game that is impressive to look at but i wont play for long because it gets boring.

If the gameplay is great then you will keep on going back to that game to play again and again.I was playing the first Super Mario and Sonic gamesthe other day with my wee sister and we love these games because of gameplay even if the graphic are from the NES and the Megadrive.

Graphics don't matter at all. I still play text adventures and C64/DOS (CGA) games. They are just as good if not better than new games with fancy "next-gen HD" graphics.

Of course graphics matter. But gameplay matters far more

The bad argument is when people say that story matters more than graphics and I look at them and say "Are you kidding?"authorityissues

Of course graphics matter. But in my case, gameplay and story matter more.

All I know is that I play my DS more than any other console out there.

I'm one of those people that really doesn't think graphics are the most important thing. Now they are nice and it gives you that awhh factor and helps immerse you into the game. Audio also helps this. At the same time if gameplay sucks then the entire games sucks. Gameplay and features i think make a game good but graphics help make you feel like your in the game.

Graphics DO matter, just not as much as some people make them out to. Usually good gameplay and good graphics go hand in hand this gen, you rarely get a good looking game that plays badly. Silent-Hal

Fear 2 looks good... seems alright, but just isn't put together right...

Banjo Kazooie N&B looks great for a platformer... but the gameplay is lackluster.

There is a long list of games which look great but have disappointing game play.

[QUOTE="authorityissues"]The bad argument is when people say that story matters more than graphics and I look at them and say "Are you kidding?"IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="authorityissues"]The bad argument is when people say that story matters more than graphics and I look at them and say "Are you kidding?"authorityissues

[QUOTE="authorityissues"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Story can matter more than graphics, most certainly. Especially on RPGs. That's why modern RPGs can not compete with old classics.GundamGuy0

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[QUOTE="authorityissues"] Of course. It's really fun looking at the same deadpan flat colors and reading horde after horde of text time and time again. The old stuff is definitely superior.authorityissues

Graphics matter... to an extent. It cant be an eye soar for me... but it doesnt have to be Killzone 2 or Gears either. Rainbow Six is awesome but the graphics are pretty unimpressive.carljohnson3456

Graphics are important but graphics aren't the only aspects that come with a more powerful console. In fact, gameplay can also be altered. For example, Dead Rising for the wii and dead rising for the 360. In order to comply with the weaker hardware the developers had to drasticallyd ecrease the number of enemies which was the games main gameplay mechanic... (I still don't know who in capcom thought it was a good idea to port it...)

Those games can't be made with that bad graphics without affecting gameplay....

Of course graphics matter. But when that's all you can talk about then really, they don't.They aren't everything.

A certain standard of graphics matter, depending on the game.

Disgaea is a game where the graphics are almost completely unimportant

For the people that says Graphics doesnt matter, and only gameplay is important.

Would you guys still play Gears2, Halo3, MGS4, Uncharted if it had PS1 or gameboy graphics?

gameplay is all that matters right?

For me, if we can have both good gameplay and good graphics, why not? we payed big bucks for this gaming machines and then we should be expecting advanced visuals.

what you guys think?

def_mode

I think you are doing what countless other people here have done in the past...displayed a level of ignorance on this issue.

When people say graphics don't matter, they aren't saying nobody WANTS better graphics, or that nobody CARES about pretty graphics. They are saying that the most important thing in making or enjoying a game - the things that make a game GREAT - do not necessarily include graphics. This is absolutely PROVEN by the fact you can have the best looking game in the world, and it can suck due to poor story, weak characters, bad level design, horrible camera, boring missions, muddy controls, etc, etc, etc. On the flipside, you can have games that have poor graphics, but get all those other things right, and they will be great games for a long long time. As proof of this I will point you to the fact that games like Punch Out, Super Mario, Sonic, Tetris, etc. ALL still hold up and are just as good today as they were when they first came out.

Why is that? Because what made those games great and fun wasn't the graphics but the gameplay fundamentals and design. Graphics are purely the wrapper that everything else is presented in. Sure, in a perfect world, all games would be great inside and out...but in reality that isn't the case. And when peopel continually hype games, or judge them, based on little more than graphics or screen shots, they are showing their lack of knowledge about videogames. Pure and Simple.

THAT is what it means to say graphics don't matter. They are the cherry on the ice cream...a great addition, but it is the icecream you paid for and the ice cream you want to eat. If the ice cream sucks, the cherry isn't giong to do anything to help the situation. Meanwhile, if the icecream is great, you aren't going to care if there is a cherry or not.

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For the people that says Graphics doesnt matter, and only gameplay is important.

Would you guys still play Gears2, Halo3, MGS4, Uncharted if it had PS1 or gameboy graphics?

gameplay is all that matters right?

For me, if we can have both good gameplay and good graphics, why not? we payed big bucks for this gaming machines and then we should be expecting advanced visuals.

what you guys think?

ZIMdoom

I think you are doing what countless other people here have done in the past...displayed a level of ignorance on this issue.

When people say graphics don't matter, they aren't saying nobody WANTS better graphics, or that nobody CARES about pretty graphics. They are saying that the most important thing in making or enjoying a game - the things that make a game GREAT - do not necessarily include graphics. This is absolutely PROVEN by the fact you can have the best looking game in the world, and it can suck due to poor story, weak characters, bad level design, horrible camera, boring missions, muddy controls, etc, etc, etc. On the flipside, you can have games that have poor graphics, but get all those other things right, and they will be great games for a long long time. As proof of this I will point you to the fact that games like Punch Out, Super Mario, Sonic, Tetris, etc. ALL still hold up and are just as good today as they were when they first came out.

Why is that? Because what made those games great and fun wasn't the graphics but the gameplay fundamentals and design. Graphics are purely the wrapper that everything else is presented in. Sure, in a perfect world, all games would be great inside and out...but in reality that isn't the case. And when peopel continually hype games, or judge them, based on little more than graphics or screen shots, they are showing their lack of knowledge about videogames. Pure and Simple.

THAT is what it means to say graphics don't matter. They are the cherry on the ice cream...a great addition, but it is the icecream you paid for and the ice cream you want to eat. If the ice cream sucks, the cherry isn't giong to do anything to help the situation. Meanwhile, if the icecream is great, you aren't going to care if there is a cherry or not.

For the people that says Graphics doesnt matter, and only gameplay is important.

Would you guys still play Gears2, Halo3, MGS4, Uncharted if it had PS1 or gameboy graphics?

gameplay is all that matters right?

For me, if we can have both good gameplay and good graphics, why not? we payed big bucks for this gaming machines and then we should be expecting advanced visuals.

what you guys think?

def_mode

I don't play any of those games regularly because I don't own a console and never will. However, without flashy animations and graphics, I doubt those games would be appealing, even to the console rabble.

i made this topic after reading a lot of people's input regarding the "The Conduit" they said the game would suck because of its graphics, dont get me wrong here The Conduit is not at the level of PS3/360 graphically but it can be a pretty good game and it looks good for a wii game. thats why I asked people, specially the ones who think graphics are all that. Would they play the top games right now if it wasnt for its graphics? would they still play it despite the bad graphics but awesome gameplay?def_mode

But then we get into a whole different issue. MOre in line with what I said about having your cake and eating it too.

I have a Wii and a PS3. And Conduit is going to have to be pretty darn good if I'm going to ignore Killzone 2 and pay $50- $60 for it. The greatness of Conduit isn't going to be because of the graphics. However, it is tough to justify asking a multiconsole owner to support Conduit for the same price they can support Killzone 2 for.

While I will openly argue that graphics don't matter when it comes to making a great game, thing ARE marketed and judged based on the packaging. And graphics are the packaging of a game. The biggest problem I am having with my Wii right now is I can't find a reason to buy most games when for the same price, I can buy a bigger or better looking game for the PS3. I think the Wii's games should be priced cheaper to be more competitive.

For the people that says Graphics doesnt matter, and only gameplay is important.

Would you guys still play Gears2, Halo3, MGS4, Uncharted if it had PS1 or gameboy graphics?

gameplay is all that matters right?

For me, if we can have both good gameplay and good graphics, why not? we payed big bucks for this gaming machines and then we should be expecting advanced visuals.

what you guys think?

def_mode

gameplay and graphics makes the game a good game.. so to answer your question yes it do matter. but it need to have a good gameplay also.

In the correct context graphics could matter, the way it's just thrown out there no, not really. If graphics were that important to me I'd be playing my 360, my pc with a 8800 gt oc gpu or my other with a 9800 gt gpu, instead I spend 85% of my gaming time playing my DS.

So yeah, actions would be louder than words in this case. And in this case I'd have to say that overall graphics really don't matter. In the context of what most people are talking about why should it matter anyway? The 360 and the PS3 both have pretty darn good graphics.

Graphics only mean a lil to me.

If Empire: TW looked liked Age of Empires 2 it would still be epic.

Graphics do matter, but not as much as you make it seem. Halo is not praised for it's graphics...at all. Poor example btw. killerfist

I own Red Alert 3, thought its going to be a hit but after playing the game for 10 minutes, I realized it killed the Red Alert feeling. RA3 is not red alert at all. It was just flashy graphics but its still an average game just not a superior compared to red alert 2 + yuri;s revenge

I also own Crysis. This game is pretty, best I have seen but gameplay is average at best. We only recognize Crysis because of its graphics, MP not so much. even COD:WaW tops Crysis in MP mode. I bet if Crysis didnt look the way it is now no ones even going to talk about it.

Graphic dont matter or i would play Killzone alot more than i do but i simply prefer Halo3 or Gears of Was 1/2

The only people in which graphics don't matter to are 1) Sheep and 2) pink-goggle wearing, nostalgic fanboys who think Ocarina of Time is the greatest game ever made and Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are all worse games.

Graphics matter a lot. They matter as much as any other part of a game. If they are technically unsound and not taking full advantage of the hardware, the game is not good... let alone great. The better the graphics, the more believable the world, the better the game. Anyone who denies this is just trying to cover for an insecurity.