GS reviews are losing the plot (poll)

Well thats what I'm saying. It may have just sounded like i was singling out gamespot, when i was targeting the entire reviewing industry.Scores kill the industry. You'll have a guy deciding between Mario Kart wii and Modnation, so they'll look at the scores and pick Mario Kart when it isnt necessarily better.brennan7777

It's hardly set in stone that Modnation is better, but what would be wrong with him picking Mario Kart? The person buying it still gets a fun game with a ton of charm. As for Modnation not getting bought buy this theoretical person? No game is entitled to being bought. The guy can pick based on the cover art for all I care.

People are always going to pick one game or the other, regardless of if one is better or not. It's not constructive to worry about his IMO.

[QUOTE="brennan7777"]Well thats what I'm saying. It may have just sounded like i was singling out gamespot, when i was targeting the entire reviewing industry.Scores kill the industry. You'll have a guy deciding between Mario Kart wii and Modnation, so they'll look at the scores and pick Mario Kart when it isnt necessarily better.GreySeal9

It's hardly set in stone that Modnation is better, but what would be wrong with him picking Mario Kart? The person buying it still gets a fun game with a ton of charm. As for Modnation not getting bought buy this theoretical person? No game is entitled to being bought. The guy can pick based on the cover art for all I care.

People are always going to pick one game or the other, regardless of if one is better or not. It's not constructive to worry about his IMO.

[QUOTE="brennan7777"]Well thats what I'm saying. It may have just sounded like i was singling out gamespot, when i was targeting the entire reviewing industry.Scores kill the industry. You'll have a guy deciding between Mario Kart wii and Modnation, so they'll look at the scores and pick Mario Kart when it isnt necessarily better.GreySeal9

It's hardly set in stone that Modnation is better, but what would be wrong with him picking Mario Kart? The person buying it still gets a fun game with a ton of charm. As for Modnation not getting bought buy this theoretical person? No game is entitled to being bought. The guy can pick based on the cover art for all I care.

People are always going to pick one game or the other, regardless of if one is better or not. It's not constructive to worry about his IMO.

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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] 2008 vs 2010. Different year, different standard, different expectations, different aesthetic. A lower score doesn't necessarily mean inferior. I mean Chaos Theory scored less than Pandorra tomorrow and it goes without saying Chaos Theory is superior. NGblack scored the same as NG1 and well NGB was superior. Metroid Prime 2 and God of War 2 were stronger games than there prequel and they also didn't score as high. It's just the nature of the beast. Scores in general are broken. if they honestly meant anything more than a reasonable variable that represents the reviewers assessment of the game than the highest reviewed games would win GOTY But they don't , because scores don't take into how a person will feel later. In retrospect Heavy Rain loses its luster. In Retrospect you realise GTA 4 is more one and done, in Retrospect you realise that replaying Half Life 2 means suffering the trash that is those vehicle sections, the poor gunplay, and the heavily scripted design, in retrospect things change. Reviews can never capture that to full effect. They can only capture initial impressions. Inittially that COD 4 campaign was intense and highly memorable. Replay at again? man that thing is scripted. One and done experience. Most reviews aren't going to be able to capture that. Let alone really be fair enough and proper enough to match scoring that is comparable between games. NO review source is that consistant or that flawless. For the most part gamespot does a better job than 99% of the sources that review console games. PC wise they could be better I guess. jg4xchamp

Here in system wars Gamespot sets up rulesthat say scores dictate the quality of a game or a console. I feel like if they are going to set up these rules, their scores should either give a better explanation, or should reflect the reality of games in comparison to one another.

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[QUOTE="brennan7777"]Well thats what I'm saying. It may have just sounded like i was singling out gamespot, when i was targeting the entire reviewing industry.Scores kill the industry. You'll have a guy deciding between Mario Kart wii and Modnation, so they'll look at the scores and pick Mario Kart when it isnt necessarily better.jg4xchamp

It's hardly set in stone that Modnation is better, but what would be wrong with him picking Mario Kart? The person buying it still gets a fun game with a ton of charm. As for Modnation not getting bought buy this theoretical person? No game is entitled to being bought. The guy can pick based on the cover art for all I care.

People are always going to pick one game or the other, regardless of if one is better or not. It's not constructive to worry about his IMO.

I'm not disputing that it sucks when a great game tanks. Great games do deserve good sales. They are just not entitled to them. That's all I'm saying.

On Bayonetta: I think 1 million is decent for a niche title that has a divisive style.

They got the wrong guy to review Shin Megami Strange Journey.

On metacritic Gamespot's score was the lowest by far.

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[QUOTE="brennan7777"]Well thats what I'm saying. It may have just sounded like i was singling out gamespot, when i was targeting the entire reviewing industry.Scores kill the industry. You'll have a guy deciding between Mario Kart wii and Modnation, so they'll look at the scores and pick Mario Kart when it isnt necessarily better.brennan7777

It's hardly set in stone that Modnation is better, but what would be wrong with him picking Mario Kart? The person buying it still gets a fun game with a ton of charm. As for Modnation not getting bought buy this theoretical person? No game is entitled to being bought. The guy can pick based on the cover art for all I care.

People are always going to pick one game or the other, regardless of if one is better or not. It's not constructive to worry about his IMO.

Well, wanting the most enjoyment is perfectly normal and probably true for the majority of people.

It's just that we don't always get the most enjoyment even if we follow review scores because reviews can't account for individual taste.

I think they do fine. The thing about GS reviews is you have to read them, as the numeric score can be misleading.

It's also unwise to compare scores for games from different genres. SMG 2 was a better platformer than ModNation Racers was a kart racer. GS scores for those games are in line with the metacritic scores, so I'd say they got it right in both those cases.

Don't let it get to you. Mass Effect is one of my fav games this gen and GS gave it a 8.5. Once again, the content of the review is more important than the score.

gamecubepad

No they nailed the score perfectly with Modnation Racers.

gerstmanngate thats all i have to say

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No. Honestly, it sounds like you're just butt-hurt that a Sony game didn't get what you wanted it to and a Nintendo game got praised to high heaven. That MW2 part was thrown in to appeal to SW's hate of that game.

GreySeal9

Judging from your post history, I doubt it.

And why else would you draw a comparison between Modnation's 8 and SMG2's 10 if not for the reason of being mad that one got an astronomical amount of praise and the other got just a normal amount of praise?

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[QUOTE="Lantern-Cusp"]

honestly your assumption is miles off.

farnham

Judging from your post history, I doubt it.

And why else would you draw a comparison between Modnation's 8 and SMG2's 10 if not for the reason of being mad that one got an astronomical amount of praise and the other got just a normal amount of praise?

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Yeah, MW2 did not deserve a 9. No way in hell it did, I'd give it a 7.5. I don't think Heavy Rain deserved a 9 either though, I think an 8.5 is just right.readingfc_1

The scores are spot on with the general consensus. Heavy Rain should have been a 9 though, that's closer to the Metacritic. MW2 is a 9 dude, don't let the MW hate blind you out of reasonable thought. And Alan Wake has like a 82 Metacritic? Modnation racers too.

ODST and Gears 2 reviews are still baffling me

how did those games deserve a 9.0?

ODST and Gears 2 reviews are still baffling me

how did those games deserve a 9.0?

farnham

They need their old rating system back.

They need their old rating system back.

StealthMonkey4

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They need their old rating system back.

mo0ksi

Modnation Racers was completely gipped, I mean an 8 just a week after SMG 2 gets a 10?

also innovative games like Heavy rain and Alan Wake get an 8.5 while MW2 gets a 9?

Do you think GS is losing the plot with their review scores?

Lantern-Cusp

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Modnation Racers was completely gipped, I mean an 8 just a week after SMG 2 gets a 10?

also innovative games like Heavy rain and Alan Wake get an 8.5 while MW2 gets a 9?

Do you think GS is losing the plot with their review scores?

SaltyMeatballs

judging by his profile and post history , he doesn't play games unless they're on sony systems

he probably thinks modnation racers is so awesome because he's never played mario kart :lol:

Modnation Racers was completely gipped, I mean an 8 just a week after SMG 2 gets a 10?

also innovative games like Heavy rain and Alan Wake get an 8.5 while MW2 gets a 9?

Do you think GS is losing the plot with their review scores?

Lantern-Cusp

Heavy rain is not innovative at all, you deserve a facepalm.

Looks like plain old damage control after SMG2.

I can live with ModNation Racers getting an 8 (still 84% at Metacritic) and SMG2 a 10, but quite a few things still disturb me. Highly hyped games are nearly always guaranteed a 9 (I'm looking at Modern Warfare 2, Halo ODST etc).

I can live with ModNation Racers getting an 8 (still 84% at Metacritic) and SMG2 a 10, but quite a few things still disturb me. Highly hyped games are nearly always guaranteed a 9 (I'm looking at Modern Warfare 2, Halo ODST etc).

metalgear-solid

Lair, Twilight Princess.

No, i actually agree with most of their reviews/scores (Alan Wake included). You shouldnt forget that gamespot is just....another opinion.

I havn't play MNR yet so IDK about that but I almost never agree with GS review scores.

I do not trust GameSpot's reviews as much as I did before when the good ones were still here (Jeff Gerstmann, Greg Kasavin, etc). The reviews are just... worse. Doesn't talk about lots of stuff that would be nice to know, if you're still thinking about getting the game. And the mistakes they are making, which show that they haven't even played the whole game are pretty horrible..

A review score is merely a quantification of enjoyment on behalf of the reviewer. It does not represent quality. It does not represent innovation. It does not represent popular opinion of the community. It is merely a numeric representation of how much that reviewer enjoyed the game.

A review score is merely a quantification of enjoyment on behalf of the reviewer.

foxhound_fox

Is that the case though? Maybe this is unique for 10/10 games, but the SMG2 reviewer had to get opinions from everyone else about the score. Doesn't seem like his opinion alone would have mattered if other people disagreed with him. I wonder how often they do this on GS.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Is that the case though? Maybe this is unique for 10/10 games, but the SMG2 reviewer had to get opinions from everyone else about the score. Doesn't seem like his opinion alone would have mattered if other people disagreed with him. I wonder how often they do this on GS.foxhound_fox

I agree with you. If people on this board are ever going to have honest discussions about a games quality then they need to learn to have their own opinions from personal experiencerather than all this AA, AAA nonsense.

I agree with you. If people on this board are ever going to have honest discussions about a games quality then they need to learn to have their own opinions from personal experiencerather than all this AA, AAA nonsense.

DaBrainz

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I agree with you. If people on this board are ever going to have honest discussions about a games quality then they need to learn to have their own opinions from personal experiencerather than all this AA, AAA nonsense.

foxhound_fox

It is pathetic, and furthermore that publishers now follow an almost identically immature 'meta score' fixation.

The out of 10 scoring needs to bepushed out, or the scaling universally changed. 8/10 being the standard of a 'good' game is bizzare.

Five star ratings at least offer some balance, instead of stupidly tilted scaling, and meta-score whoring.

Because all we need is more people throwing meta scores at eachother without even being able to discuss the damn games.

Modnation Racers was completely gipped, I mean an 8 just a week after SMG 2 gets a 10?

also innovative games like Heavy rain and Alan Wake get an 8.5 while MW2 gets a 9?

Do you think GS is losing the plot with their review scores?

Lantern-Cusp

one of them copies mario kart, the other copies mario galaxy , the keyword is mario

I do agree they seem to underrate a lot of games lately, some recent ones that i personally loved but scored poorly(well poorly as far as system wars minds go) I do think MNR deserved at least an 8.5 but mario definetly deserved its 10, it gves you a lot of content plus it has amazing graphics, not even just on the wii scale of things, and supposedly great gameplay ( I wouldnt know, I havent gotten Galaxy 2 yet but if its anything like the original but with YOshi then trust me, it is amazing :P)

i have modnation races. and i can see why it got a 8. game is good but the load times kills it for me. i woulda reviewed it 7.5. i find myself just driving around instead of going in to race to aviod the load times more then i should be.

i think that sony gets the most extra scores though. besides nintendos big 3 zelda mario and metriod. and ms`s halo and gears. but mosty all of sonys exclusives get a few points 0.5 -1.0higher then what they should get imo

Modnation Racers was completely gipped, I mean an 8 just a week after SMG 2 gets a 10?

also innovative games like Heavy rain and Alan Wake get an 8.5 while MW2 gets a 9?

Do you think GS is losing the plot with their review scores?

Lantern-Cusp