GS:"3DS sales on track to best DS' first year in US"

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

[QUOTE="stizz-"]

Ninty is going to need 3rd part support on this system or it'll kill all the momentum. In NA and EU the only games coming out for the rest of the year are 1st party titles which arre good, but can't carry a system for most people. The DS was awesome in this regard, and NoJ has been very proactive. While the PSP is my favorite system and I wish the Vita all the best, I LOVE the fact that NoJ is trying to go head to head with SCEJ and securing content (MonHun, Hatsune Miku, Beyond the Labyrinth, and more). Elsewhere there is no activity.

stizz-

Resident Evil Revelations and Tekken 3D Prime Edition in Feb. Heroes of Ruin (an original IP from Squeenix) in April, and Kingdom Hearts in Spring 2012.

That isn't including Dragon Quest Heroes Rocket Slime 3, Monster Hunter 3G, Monster Hunter 4, Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney, Beyond the Labyrinth, Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater 3D, Tales of the Abyss 3D.

Not to mention the terrific Dead or Alive Dimensions, and Ghost Recon Shadow Wars, Super Street Fighter IV. I'd call that good third party support, and being as about 1/8th of 3DS owners have SSF IV I'd think they know quality third party software when they see it.

There is plenty of third party support for the 3DS, and the first party support in 2012 (Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Tennis, Fire Emblem) is amazing.

I was referring to games that come out this year.

Also a lot of the games you mentioned are Japan-only as of now. I do import (and struggle through with a Japanese to English dictionary) when a game I really want doesn't make the trip, but I refuse to buy another 3DS in addition to the already high costs. I'm sort of an oddball, but outside of Mario Kart, Zelda, and Metroid Ninty's 1st party doesn't interest me. While they have a wide appeal, they won't be able to match the DS's sales without the sheer variety that the library had.

Quality > Quantity is a good philosphy, but it is too simplistic to rely on the old cliche to the T. The main issue with Ninty's home consoles is that there just isn't enough there to convince people to stick with it. On other platforms (that is to include Ninty's handhelds) have good games dropping every other month with a fantastic game coming one or twice a year, while the Wii (like the N64 and GC before it) will have those 2 fantastic games a year... and then nothing else. If the 3DS follows this model then it won't continue to sell at this pace. I don't doubt that Japan will have a steady flow of quality software. NoJ has already committed to helping Japanese devs market their games at home and abroad. NoA and NoE have done nothing to get western devs on board which irks me.

TL DR version: Ninty need to devote some attention to the western handheld market, not just surrender it to iOS and Android otherwise it will take a noticeable hit in sales now and in the future.

Why would lack of third party games kill it in less than 60 days? You realise there are less than 60 days left in the year right? Why would consumers, who are buying loads of 3DSs suddenly decide now, with less than two months left in 2011, that the stellar third party line up of 2012 wasn't worth waiting two months?

I don't get what you're trying to say when you limit it to 2011.

None of the games I've mentioned are Japan only, you only think they are because of rumors. Infact, most Monster Hunter main games get localised and so do Ace Attorneys and Laytons. Beyond the Labyrith I suppose could end up that way, but neither of us have proof of anywhere that it will come out

Why would anyone doubt MH 3G getting localised when Nintendo published it in America just two years ago? And of course 4 will make it overseas.

I like how you say the Wii had one or two good games a year, and that if the 3DS continues that (which is your opinion not fact, it has plenty of good games) then it will fail, yet the Wii clearly wasn't remotely effected by that.

The 3DS library is shaping up better than the DS, it just seems you're not interested in them and you are not the measuring stick for how consumers will react.

Nano Assault, Cave Story 3D, Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater 3D, Heroes of Ruin, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Resident Evil Revelations, Dead Or Alive Dimensions, Tales of the Abyss 3D, Ghost Recon Shadow Wars, Tekken 3D, Sonic Generations, are all out or coming out in the next 6-8 months in North America. I wouldn't call that bad third party support.

That's not counting Dragon Quest Heroes 3, Ace Attorney vs Professor Layton, Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle, Monster Hunter 3G/ and 4.

Again, not even with Luigi's Mansion 2, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Paper Mario. I really don't think the 3DS has anything to worry about concerning terrific first/third party sofware for the next year at all

I'm sorry these titles don't look good to you, they're not for everybody. But a line up like this isn't something consumers will not take notice of.

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but for that the PS brand is irreversibly damaged.There is no turning back now for Sony.

jasonharris48

I'd think the fact that the PSP sold a pathetic 2-3 million units a year for the last three years in EU/NA would be a much bigger problem facing the Vita. People outside of Japan generally didn't care for their last handheld, so Sony has to work to get their attention

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] We all know why the go failed which the Vita won't see that same fate. (considering it's not a DD only system). Going by the orginal PSP theres a chance that the PS Vita well.

charizard1605

but for that the PS brand is irreversibly damaged.There is no turning back now for Sony.

wait how was Nintendos brand damaged(for core gamers) after the N64 and Gamecube????They both are some of the greatest consoles of alltime(top 5).Cube had the best third party support for a Nintendo console in the 3D gaming era.N64 had some of the most influential games of alltime.Plus Nintendo always owned the handheld arena.If Sony owned and created the handheld era and then produced a virtual boy or psp go you could still trust them as they would still be the best.Plus Sony will never reach the legendary height of Nintendos unreachable magic.Nintendo doesnt only define the industry NINTENDO IS THE VIDEOGAMING INDUSTRY,I could never say the same thing about Sony.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

but for that the PS brand is irreversibly damaged.There is no turning back now for Sony.

zeldisco2009

wait how was Nintendos brand damaged(for core gamers) after the N64 and Gamecube????They both are some of the greatest consoles of alltime(top 5).Cube had the best third party support for a Nintendo console in the 3D gaming era.N64 had some of the most influential games of alltime.Plus Nintendo always owned the handheld arena.If Sony owned and created the handheld era and then produced a virtual boy or psp go you could still trust them as they would still be the best.Plus Sony will never reach the legendary height of Nintendos unreachable magic.Nintendo doesnt only define the industry NINTENDO IS THE VIDEOGAMING INDUSTRY,I could never say the same thing about Sony.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

Sure

charizard1605

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] We all know why the go failed which the Vita won't see that same fate. (considering it's not a DD only system). Going by the orginal PSP theres a chance that the PS Vita well.

super600

but for that the PS brand is irreversibly damaged.There is no turning back now for Sony.

So a DD system makes all sony systemsfuture's doomed?

if you combine it with the fact that Sony lost all the money with the PS3 they made with the PS2(higest selling console of alltime,150 million units) and lost 100 million consoles and customers,lost superior third party(Final Fantasy,GTA,tekken) to Microsoft,lost the HD machine battle to microsoft,lost the casual gamer battel to Nintendo,lost the motion device battle to both Microsoft and Nintendo, and also had a PSP which was a flop outside Japan for last couple of years then you can see a very worrying trend for Sony(only within a few years) which was only mathced by Sega before the very succeful Dreamcast.....

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] You mean like how the Nintendo brand was irreversibly damaged after the Virtual Boy, N64 and Gamecube?charizard1605

wait how was Nintendos brand damaged(for core gamers) after the N64 and Gamecube????They both are some of the greatest consoles of alltime(top 5).Cube had the best third party support for a Nintendo console in the 3D gaming era.N64 had some of the most influential games of alltime.Plus Nintendo always owned the handheld arena.If Sony owned and created the handheld era and then produced a virtual boy or psp go you could still trust them as they would still be the best.Plus Sony will never reach the legendary height of Nintendos unreachable magic.Nintendo doesnt only define the industry NINTENDO IS THE VIDEOGAMING INDUSTRY,I could never say the same thing about Sony.

It might be just an opinion but you could say that about anyone who regards some consoles as the best off alltime(SNES,NES,PS2,Dreamcast,)

If the third party support was still poor with the Cube(Prince of Persia trilogy,Splinter Cell trilogy,Soul Calibur 2,Timespliiters 2,3,Burnout 2,Resident Evil 1,0,4,Viewtfil Joe 1,2,Metal Gear Solid,Final Fantasy C.C.,Beyond Good and evil,Rayman 3) then I would like to know what would you describe the third party support of the Wii(core support and quality at the same level as the rival consoles gaming I am talking here)

2) PS3 the best system?again this is just your opinion just like my opinion with the cube and n64.It was such a great system,that Sony lost all the money they made during the PS2 era(the highest selling system of alltime),If Sega had done something like the PS3,they would have died a disgraceful death as a company and gone bankrupt.It lost 100 million customers from the previous gen and Sony needs to keep it alive for 10 more years just to get some money back.

Vita promises something doesnt mean it guarantees it wil deliver.

It is not about the sheeps here.I only care about the defence of Nintendo and its legendary games like Zelda,Metroid,Mario etc.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

but for that the PS brand is irreversibly damaged.There is no turning back now for Sony.

zeldisco2009

So a DD system makes all sony systemsfuture's doomed?

if you combine it with the fact that Sony lost all the money with the PS3 they made with the PS2(higest selling console of alltime,150 million units) and lost 100 million consoles and customers,lost superior third party(Final Fantasy,GTA,tekken) to Microsoft,lost the HD machine battle to microsoft,lost the casual gamer battel to Nintendo,lost the motion device battle to both Microsoft and Nintendo, and also had a PSP which was a flop outside Japan for last couple of years then you can see a very worrying trend for Sony(only within a few years) which was only mathced by Sega before the very succeful Dreamcast.....

Sony isn't doomed they recovered a lot in the last couple of years.They made a few blunders at the sart of the gen =, but thy have fixed most of them by now.

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

So a DD system makes all sony systemsfuture's doomed?

super600

if you combine it with the fact that Sony lost all the money with the PS3 they made with the PS2(higest selling console of alltime,150 million units) and lost 100 million consoles and customers,lost superior third party(Final Fantasy,GTA,tekken) to Microsoft,lost the HD machine battle to microsoft,lost the casual gamer battel to Nintendo,lost the motion device battle to both Microsoft and Nintendo, and also had a PSP which was a flop outside Japan for last couple of years then you can see a very worrying trend for Sony(only within a few years) which was only mathced by Sega before the very succeful Dreamcast.....

Sony isn't doomed they recovered a lot in the last couple of years.They made a few blunders at the sart of the gen =, but thy have fixed most of them by now.

You probably think that Sony is like a toilet and can just be fixed by a plumber(Mario anyone?).Life is not that simple and straghtforward.People change,consumers change,life changes,markets changes,economy changes,rivals change(microsoft and nintendo much more dominant than last gen). Sony is still posting one loss after another for a couple of years.I am not saying that Sony will go bankrupt but you cannot deny that if they continue like they have done this gen then the next gen Playsation console and handheld could easily repeat the Dreamcast tragedy with many casualties.Just compare their situation they are in now with they situation they were in just 6 years ago.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Hey junior.......again wtf does that have to do with what i said. You have still failed to answer that super simple question. Calling somebody junior is not disrespectful. I couldn't care less that you wish to consider it that way. Calling a b**** or something like that is disrespectful. I am a junior. By your logic I should be pissed everytime somebody calls me junior. Get over it. You don't decide how I talk. But back the question at hand. Wtf does me wanting a vita have to do with what i said. Hell what does it even have to do with this topic? Do us all a favor and try staying on topic will ya. :;):AmazonTreeBoa

i said dont call me junior idc what you call anybody else. never understood why people get so angry over the internet i guess its a superiority complex.

the topic is your not on topic you constantly bring up you dont want the 3ds which is fine if your not interested dont post its that simple.

what do you not wanting one have to do with its sales passing the ds in its first year? think about it....

i go outside, i have a life and im barely here nobody whining i said dont call me "junior" if you have an issue dont answer me, your the one getting so upset about me getting under your skin;)

but im not going to argue with a guy who doesnt know what he even post but remain on topic and dont call me junior name calling is a sign of weakness and thats what you are showing very well right now over the internet....

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

if you combine it with the fact that Sony lost all the money with the PS3 they made with the PS2(higest selling console of alltime,150 million units) and lost 100 million consoles and customers,lost superior third party(Final Fantasy,GTA,tekken) to Microsoft,lost the HD machine battle to microsoft,lost the casual gamer battel to Nintendo,lost the motion device battle to both Microsoft and Nintendo, and also had a PSP which was a flop outside Japan for last couple of years then you can see a very worrying trend for Sony(only within a few years) which was only mathced by Sega before the very succeful Dreamcast.....

zeldisco2009

Sony isn't doomed they recovered a lot in the last couple of years.They made a few blunders at the sart of the gen =, but thy have fixed most of them by now.

You probably think that Sony is like a toilet and can just be fixed by a plumber(Mario anyone?).Life is not that simple and straghtforward.People change,consumers change,life changes,markets changes,economy changes,rivals change(microsoft and nintendo much more dominant than last gen). Sony is still posting one loss after another for a couple of years.I am not saying that Sony will go bankrupt but you cannot deny that if they continue like they have done this gen then the next gen Playsation console and handheld could easily repeat the Dreamcast tragedy with many casualties.Just compare their situation they are in now with they situation they were in just 6 years ago.

Their console has been gaining momentuma bitin the last year or so and is about to overtake the 360 in the next couple of months if it's gets lucky.Their profits have also been increasing slowly even if their were affected by the earthquake and the hacking scandal.

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

it was expected but only Nintendo haters were hoping for its doom.I think Vita can say hi to its death.It wont even reach the success of the Dreamcast.I expect next gen Sony is going to be third party on the Wii U and 3DS.Even though Sony brings average exclusives I dont mind seeing their games on a great Nintendo console.

lx_theo

ACtually, Zelda got a point, but it's just not the way he say it. If Sony does go 3rd part, it's not the "Failure" of the Vita or anything like that. Even during the worst, the Dreamcast was NOT a failure, it's because Sega was bleeding dry, just like Sony now. Sony, as an entire company, lost something over 3 billion last quarter alone, and the PS3 will never see one dime of profit this gen. That can leads to bad things if Sony can't get out of red next gen.

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="zeldisco2009"]

it was expected but only Nintendo haters were hoping for its doom.I think Vita can say hi to its death.It wont even reach the success of the Dreamcast.I expect next gen Sony is going to be third party on the Wii U and 3DS.Even though Sony brings average exclusives I dont mind seeing their games on a great Nintendo console.

StryderK

ACtually, Zelda got a point, but it's just not the way he say it. If Sony does go 3rd part, it's not the "Failure" of the Vita or anything like that. Even during the worst, the Dreamcast was NOT a failure, it's because Sega was bleeding dry, just like Sony now. Sony, as an entire company, lost something over 3 billion last quarter alone, and the PS3 will never see one dime of profit this gen. That can leads to bad things if Sony can't get out of red next gen.

People don't know this, but the Dreamcast was effectively a Saturn all over again. Saturn was successful in Japan, but didn't have much support in the west. For the Dreamcast, it was popular in the US, but didn't find much support in Japan.

Sony is in quite possibly the best position a "losing" console has ever been in.

Why would lack of third party games kill it in less than 60 days? You realise there are less than 60 days left in the year right? Why would consumers, who are buying loads of 3DSs suddenly decide now, with less than two months left in 2011, that the stellar third party line up of 2012 wasn't worth waiting two months?

I don't get what you're trying to say when you limit it to 2011.

bonesawisready5

I'm not limiting it to this year. I'm saying that this system won't outsell the DS without a strong library. The reason it's moving units this year is because of OoT, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, and Paper Mario. There aren't any other devs that are helping to drive sales of this system.

Also without solid release dates, any game coming out of Japan is in question. There where a couple of Gyakuten Saiban (the Japanese name for the Phoenix Wright series) series on the DS that didn't make the trip. The crossover with Professor Layton has no US release date. MonHun 3 Portable didn't come either, as well as the PS3 remaster, or MonHun Frontier for the 360. MonHun 3G and MonHun 4 have no US release date. Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance has no US release date. Neither does Theatrythm Final Fantasy or any of the DragonQuest games. You can glean some insight on Squenix's enthusiasm for bringing handheld games here by just looking at that (not to mention how they haven't even announced FF Type-0 for release outside of Japan--an honest-to-God FF game!)

I don't think the system will "fail." I don't want it to, either. I bought the system months ago. What I want is for Reggie or Iwata or whoever is actually calling the shots in this market to start making some deals and get this thing supported or there is no way it'll continue to outpace the DS.

Sony will never reach the legendary height of Nintendos unreachable magic.zeldisco2009

not really impressed. Price drop is whats helping 3ds

darksidecelica

[QUOTE="darksidecelica"]

not really impressed. Price drop is whats helping 3ds

HarlockJC

with the announcement of great games to come

[QUOTE="zeldisco2009"] Sony will never reach the legendary height of Nintendos unreachable magic.p4s2p0

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] And only Vita haters are hoping or expecting its death. Duh duh DUUUUHHHH! ...hakanakumono

ACtually, Zelda got a point, but it's just not the way he say it. If Sony does go 3rd part, it's not the "Failure" of the Vita or anything like that. Even during the worst, the Dreamcast was NOT a failure, it's because Sega was bleeding dry, just like Sony now. Sony, as an entire company, lost something over 3 billion last quarter alone, and the PS3 will never see one dime of profit this gen. That can leads to bad things if Sony can't get out of red next gen.

People don't know this, but the Dreamcast was effectively a Saturn all over again. Saturn was successful in Japan, but didn't have much support in the west. For the Dreamcast, it was popular in the US, but didn't find much support in Japan.

Sony is in quite possibly the best position a "losing" console has ever been in.

Also,, up to that point, Sega was already something like 2 billion in the red. IF it have just slight in the black, Sega could have pulled a MS and dropped Japan and concentrated on the west. But it didn't get that chance. DC never was able to make enough money for Sega to pull themselves out of the grave. PS2 then put the final nails in the coffin.

As for Sony, well, despite a VERY rough start, the PS3 is profitable now, but the whole entire kitten kabbodle now is, during the first three years, PS3 made so much looses, Sony will never see one dime in total profit out of it. When you got a console that wiped the entire PS2 profit out of the door, you got BIG problems. The recent Tsunami and Earthquake, plus the ongoing wordl wide fianancial meltdown do not help matters. Yes, Sony is in a good position. But if you expecting sony will pull off another "PS3" then you got another thing coming! Sony will not get number 1 next gen. Far from it. They will cut their looses, restructure and make themselves profitable first before anything else. CAuse if we got another gen where Sony makes, in teh end, something like 6 billion dollars in looses, you can kiss the Playstation brand good bye cause unlike MS, Sony ain't got Windows backing them up!

[QUOTE="p4s2p0"][QUOTE="zeldisco2009"] Sony will never reach the legendary height of Nintendos unreachable magic.jasonharris48

And if you subtract around 30 million or 40 million if you want to be really harsh due to all the PS2's hardware problem ( I went through two phat and 1 slim one), then DS has already got that covered! One thing good about Nintendo, they make absolutely indestructable hardware!

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]

Why would lack of third party games kill it in less than 60 days? You realise there are less than 60 days left in the year right? Why would consumers, who are buying loads of 3DSs suddenly decide now, with less than two months left in 2011, that the stellar third party line up of 2012 wasn't worth waiting two months?

I don't get what you're trying to say when you limit it to 2011.

stizz-

I'm not limiting it to this year. I'm saying that this system won't outsell the DS without a strong library. The reason it's moving units this year is because of OoT, Mario Kart 7, Super Mario 3D Land, and Paper Mario. There aren't any other devs that are helping to drive sales of this system.

Also without solid release dates, any game coming out of Japan is in question. There where a couple of Gyakuten Saiban (the Japanese name for the Phoenix Wright series) series on the DS that didn't make the trip. The crossover with Professor Layton has no US release date. MonHun 3 Portable didn't come either, as well as the PS3 remaster, or MonHun Frontier for the 360. MonHun 3G and MonHun 4 have no US release date. Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance has no US release date. Neither does Theatrythm Final Fantasy or any of the DragonQuest games. You can glean some insight on Squenix's enthusiasm for bringing handheld games here by just looking at that (not to mention how they haven't even announced FF Type-0 for release outside of Japan--an honest-to-God FF game!)

I don't think the system will "fail." I don't want it to, either. I bought the system months ago. What I want is for Reggie or Iwata or whoever is actually calling the shots in this market to start making some deals and get this thing supported or there is no way it'll continue to outpace the DS.

1. Software sales on the PSP for MonHun are terrible outside of Japan, whereas the sales of Tri on the Wii in NA wasn't nearly as terrible.

2. the 3DS Layton game just got announced for Europe, and I think the only game from Ace Attorney that hasn't made it over is Miles Edgeworth 2, and that's still being translated. There's a difference when the game takes 6 + months to translate. Also, each ace attorney sells a healthy 200k or so in NA, so Unless Capcom wants to walk away from $10 million, I doubt it won't make the trip, seeing as nearly all of them have

Theatrythm Final Fantasy just got a release date in Japan, Kingdom Hearts has a Spring release date from places like GameStop and has already been confirmed for localisation, every KH ends up somehow making it to the US i don't know why you would not think this would.

Also, once again you're pointing out Squeenix games that don't get localised on the PSP, and the PSP has terrible software sales in NA.

I don't know why you don't think Resident Evil Revelations, Tekken 3D, Tales of the Abyss 3D aren't good enough to catch consumer interest. Each is a bit niche market, but they have sizable audiences nonetheless. I'm not saying full on system sellers, but nothing to laugh at either.

Oh yea and Keji Infaune's new Pirate game got confirmed for NA the other day as well.