GT5, the real driving simulator.....lol...

ok, so i understand its just a prologue to the upcoming full game but its pretty safe to say most things will remain the same.

I got GT5 free with my PS3, i don't really like racing games but i gave it a go. I have to say i laughed so much when playing. 1st off, all the hype sugested the cars look real. Well, after about half hour of playing i found myself looking out of my window at passing cars. I didn't see any horrible jagged edges on real cars yet on my screen every GT5 car had plenty of them. strange.

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

Now, this isn't an attack on the PS3, far from it, this is an attack on GT5 and racing games in general that claim to play and look almost real. GT5 is not technically inpressive, the courses are bland and seriously lacking texture resolution and AF, the cars look ok but what about some AA? As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Rant over.

It's a shame damage isn't in, I feel everything else is really good. May pick up Gran Turismo 5: Prologue again when they patch damage in.

The online lobby system sucks though. But the individually detailed interiors for every car I have to say, is pretty darn nice and should be standard.

In Car view = Immersion +10

No damage = Immersion - 100.

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

Frozzik

As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Frozzik

Hook up a g25 to your ps3 and tell me it isn't realistic feeling. Gran Turismo was made for the steering wheel, not a controller. Everytime they demo'd the game before release, it was ALWAYS behind a steering wheel. Even the basic driving force pro will extremely enhance the gameplay.

forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.crunchUK

PGR is sweet all though PGR4 was not as good as 3 IMO

forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.crunchUK

ROFL. Forza graphics are total trashbag.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

SageJMP

As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Frozzik

Hook up a g25 to your ps3 and tell me it isn't realistic feeling. Gran Turismo was made for the steering wheel, not a controller. Everytime they demo'd the game before release, it was ALWAYS behind a steering wheel. Even the basic driving force pro will extremely enhance the gameplay.

I'm talking car physics here, go outside, get in a car and go drive at 150 mph. Once at that speed go hit a metal barrier almost head on. Lets see if you get a penalty or see if your car and you are totally destroyed. Don't tell me thats realistic. They claim its real so it should act real, false advertising imo lol. Not like i care, i don't like racing games anyway, just wanted to point it out.

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.chikenfriedrice

PGR is sweet all though PGR4 was not as good as 3 IMO

the best pgr was either a) pgr 2 or B) the dreamcast one AKA "Metropolis Street Racer"

as for pgr 4 it was basically a graphically improved pgr3 with more cars/cities/game modes... also PGR carreer

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.RazMaTaz-1

ROFL. Forza graphics are total trashbag.

true. i forgot about that. but pgr4 graphics > GT% graphics

yup I am gettin this from GF in the next day or so and I can't wait to have a laugh with u cuz compared to Forza2 this is no simchikenfriedrice

Have you played Prologue?

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.crunchUK

PGR is sweet all though PGR4 was not as good as 3 IMO

the best pgr was either a) pgr 2 or B) the dreamcast one AKA "Metropolis Street Racer"

as for pgr 4 it was basically a graphically improved pgr3 with more cars/cities/game modes... also PGR carreer

I didn't like the motorcycles in 4....PGR does not need bikes

[QUOTE="crunchUK"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.chikenfriedrice

PGR is sweet all though PGR4 was not as good as 3 IMO

the best pgr was either a) pgr 2 or B) the dreamcast one AKA "Metropolis Street Racer"

as for pgr 4 it was basically a graphically improved pgr3 with more cars/cities/game modes... also PGR carreer

I didn't like the motorcycles in 4....PGR does not need bikes

i pwn the living **** out of T1s on a bike. i love bikes it is a) something that neither GT or forza has and B) a whole new world of skill to master.

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"][QUOTE="crunchUK"][QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.crunchUK

PGR is sweet all though PGR4 was not as good as 3 IMO

the best pgr was either a) pgr 2 or B) the dreamcast one AKA "Metropolis Street Racer"

as for pgr 4 it was basically a graphically improved pgr3 with more cars/cities/game modes... also PGR carreer

I didn't like the motorcycles in 4....PGR does not need bikes

i pwn the living **** out of T1s on a bike. i love bikes it is a) something that neither GT or forza has and B) a whole new world of skill to master.

lol to each his own...It just didnt feel right to me lol

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

SageJMP

As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Frozzik

Hook up a g25 to your ps3 and tell me it isn't realistic feeling. Gran Turismo was made for the steering wheel, not a controller. Everytime they demo'd the game before release, it was ALWAYS behind a steering wheel. Even the basic driving force pro will extremely enhance the gameplay.

First thing's first: the penalty system is BS.

Second, I have a steering wheel (Driving Force Pro), and I must say, drifting in the game is so much fun! You cannot possibly get the Gran Turismo games to play them with a controller! It's kind of pathetic if you ask me (no offence).

But the steering wheel business doesn't change the fact that damage is a must have in a "driving simulator". Why, you ask? Because when you drive in GT3-4-5P, there aren't any REAL consequences. Sure, there is the penalty system which will annoy the hell out of you, but having damage changes it all! Look at Forza 2, every single dent in you car will effect your driving and your driving experience! Say what you like, but damage is crutial when it comes to driving simulators.

TC has a very valid point in the "realism" department. lettuceman44

[QUOTE="SageJMP"]

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

Frozzik

As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Frozzik

Hook up a g25 to your ps3 and tell me it isn't realistic feeling. Gran Turismo was made for the steering wheel, not a controller. Everytime they demo'd the game before release, it was ALWAYS behind a steering wheel. Even the basic driving force pro will extremely enhance the gameplay.

I'm talking car physics here, go outside, get in a car and go drive at 150 mph. Once at that speed go hit a metal barrier almost head on. Lets see if you get a penalty or see if your car and you are totally destroyed. Don't tell me thats realistic. They claim its real so it should act real, false advertising imo lol. Not like i care, i don't like racing games anyway, just wanted to point it out.

I've only tried the demo (may pick up the game eventually but..I'm still happy with Gran Turismo 4) but I've managed to ram a car at 200 MPH at S class headon into another car and... I just spun out and had slight damage to the right wheel.

I've only tried the demo (may pick up the game eventually but..I'm still happy with Gran Turismo 4) but I've managed to ram a car at 200 MPH at S class headon into another car and... I just spun out and had slight damage to the right wheel.

thrones

Polyphony just doesn't know how to change their formula. It has been the same basic game since GT2.foxhound_fox

What do they even need to change? The game is as good as a console racing sim is ever going to get.

What do they even need to change? The game is as good as a console racing sim is ever going to get.leejohnson7

[QUOTE="SageJMP"]

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

Frozzik

As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Frozzik

Hook up a g25 to your ps3 and tell me it isn't realistic feeling. Gran Turismo was made for the steering wheel, not a controller. Everytime they demo'd the game before release, it was ALWAYS behind a steering wheel. Even the basic driving force pro will extremely enhance the gameplay.

I'm talking car physics here, go outside, get in a car and go drive at 150 mph. Once at that speed go hit a metal barrier almost head on. Lets see if you get a penalty or see if your car and you are totally destroyed. Don't tell me thats realistic. They claim its real so it should act real, false advertising imo lol. Not like i care, i don't like racing games anyway, just wanted to point it out.

Too bad in every single car sim game it does nothing either. Oh boy, your car gets damage in forza! :roll: Still doesn't stop you from hitting into a barrier and bouncing straight back onto the track.

Go play some burnout.

[QUOTE="leejohnson7"]What do they even need to change? The game is as good as a console racing sim is ever going to get.foxhound_fox

Interesting, but I don't think the AI in GT is as bad as forza but those features you mentioned would be pretty awesome. B-Spec I am not sure about, I always thought it was easier to win on my own. But like I said before there isn't a game on consoles that matches the simulator aspect of GT games. Forza only has damage, and everything else is ripped right out of GT, even the interfaces. Still, there's always next generation... Or pc games :wink:

Bumper Cars :lol:

[QUOTE="thrones"]

I've only tried the demo (may pick up the game eventually but..I'm still happy with Gran Turismo 4) but I've managed to ram a car at 200 MPH at S class headon into another car and... I just spun out and had slight damage to the right wheel.

II-FBIsniper-II

But I still took wheel damage. Is the damage scalable or what?

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="thrones"]

I've only tried the demo (may pick up the game eventually but..I'm still happy with Gran Turismo 4) but I've managed to ram a car at 200 MPH at S class headon into another car and... I just spun out and had slight damage to the right wheel.

thrones

But I still took wheel damage. Is the damage scalable or what?

[QUOTE="Frozzik"][QUOTE="SageJMP"]

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Then i played on this one course where i had to start in last place and in 1 lap get into the top 3. Well, i thought this was really hard, i followed the driving line but could only manage 4th. (i'm not too good at racing games.) Then i realised if i didn't bother braking at all and used the barrier to fling my car back onto the track i did much better. Infact i came 1st. Now, dunno if its just me but i'm pretty sure in real life if i hit a metal barrier almost head on at 150mph i wouldn't harmlessly bounce back onto the track.

kingman03

As for being a real driving simulator? LOL at that.

Frozzik

Hook up a g25 to your ps3 and tell me it isn't realistic feeling. Gran Turismo was made for the steering wheel, not a controller. Everytime they demo'd the game before release, it was ALWAYS behind a steering wheel. Even the basic driving force pro will extremely enhance the gameplay.

I'm talking car physics here, go outside, get in a car and go drive at 150 mph. Once at that speed go hit a metal barrier almost head on. Lets see if you get a penalty or see if your car and you are totally destroyed. Don't tell me thats realistic. They claim its real so it should act real, false advertising imo lol. Not like i care, i don't like racing games anyway, just wanted to point it out.

Too bad in every single car sim game it does nothing either. Oh boy, your car gets damage in forza! :roll: Still doesn't stop you from hitting into a barrier and bouncing straight back onto the track.

Go play some burnout.

You are right about that..The game will not stop you from doing such a thing...You can clip walls all day long..

The difference is your car will go nowhere..the race is over...period..

Clearly you have not played FM2 with simulation damage on....

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]forza > GT. it's better in every way it could be better. and we don't pay for meaty demos. although personally PGR > all. it has so much more ways of cornering than the racing line that it is definitely one of the most sweat-breakingly challenging and intense games i have EVER played.RazMaTaz-1

ROFL. Forza graphics are total trashbag.

Forza graphics are pretty good actually, what does suck are the camera angles during the replays of the race make the title seem less refined. If there is one thing GT has over Forza is the presentation factor...as for the racing itself GT was a great "simulator" during the PS1 era...not so much these days

Game On....

Heres a shock.

GT5 and Forza 2 arent simulators

GTR2 - that is a simulator

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"]What do they even need to change? The game is as good as a console racing sim is ever going to get.leejohnson7

Interesting, but I don't think the AI in GT is as bad as forza but those features you mentioned would be pretty awesome. B-Spec I am not sure about, I always thought it was easier to win on my own. But like I said before there isn't a game on consoles that matches the simulator aspect of GT games. Forza only has damage, and everything else is ripped right out of GT, even the interfaces. Still, there's always next generation... Or pc games :wink:

The only thing GT5 simulates is falling asleep at the wheel. BORING FILTH. GT5 should have tricked out import cars, boobies, and Vin Diesel. Or maybe Vin Diesel with boobies, and give him the ability to TRANSFORM INTO A TRICKED OUT IMPORT CAR. (OMFG)Iszk

^^^ a fine example of why I don't go to system wars as often...

Seriously when you hit the wall going at 150mph didn't you spin out? munu9

NO.

You bounce off unharmed, and actually gain signifcant ground on the other racers. It's a smart tactic.

[QUOTE="munu9"]Seriously when you hit the wall going at 150mph didn't you spin out? Iszk

NO.

You bounce off unharmed, and actually gain signifcant ground on the other racers. It's a smart tactic.

That's weird, when I bump into things going fast, I spin out.I'm think there are different levels of simulation in GT5P, were you playing on the highest simulation level?

[QUOTE="Iszk"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]Seriously when you hit the wall going at 150mph didn't you spin out? munu9

NO.

You bounce off unharmed, and actually gain signifcant ground on the other racers. It's a smart tactic.

That's weird, when I bump into things going fast, I spin out.I'm think there are different levels of simulation in GT5P, were you playing on the highest simulation level?

I was playing on EPIC LULZ mode.