GT5>>>>>then Forza 3

GT has only had one AAA game and that was 7 years ago with no other sim racers to go against. The last GT game was GT:5P and it only scored 7.5.

On the other hand Forza has had two games and both were AAA.

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

Although Forza's a good game, it's missing that extra something that GT possesses. It's quite obvious the series just isn't recognized like GT is by Media or fans.

The Gran Turismo Prologue Series is a nice taste, but fans shouldn't use it as a scale when talking GT. The Prologue's have been around A LONG WHILE, but they are new to the WEST.

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

Eltroz

Tells you something, doesn't it. It speaks volumes about the level of commitment from both SONY and M$, and ESPECIALLy from the Developers.

Heck, UBISOFT managed to SQUEEZEpoop out as many Splinter Cell's as Kojima has had Metal Gear Solid's.

How on earth can you go on about how GT is a good sim and has better this that and the other and then say Forza is only a little better than an arcade game in it's realism?, Forza has far more realism than GT in terms of racing.Stoner-Pimp

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]How on earth can you go on about how GT is a good sim and has better this that and the other and then say Forza is only a little better than an arcade game in it's realism?, Forza has far more realism than GT in terms of racing.-Mad_Rhetoric-

Yes, GT's racing isn't anything like real life whatsoever, until it get's a working damage model and you can't win races by simple bouncing of other cars/walls etc then Forza is by far and away more realistic than it therefor in terms of realistic gameplay Forza is far far better.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

SolidTy

Tells you something, doesn't it. It speaks volumes about the level of commitment from both SONY and M$, and ESPECIALLy from the Developers.

Heck, UBISOFT managed to SQUEEZEpoop out as many Splinter Cell's as Kojima has had Metal Gear Solid's.

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]How on earth can you go on about how GT is a good sim and has better this that and the other and then say Forza is only a little better than an arcade game in it's realism?, Forza has far more realism than GT in terms of racing.Stoner-Pimp

Yes, GT's racing isn't anything like real life whatsoever, until it get's a working damage model and you can't win races by simple bouncing of other cars/walls etc then Forza is by far and away more realistic than it therefor in terms of realistic gameplay Forza is far far better.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

Eltroz

Tells you something, doesn't it. It speaks volumes about the level of commitment from both SONY and M$, and ESPECIALLy from the Developers.

Heck, UBISOFT managed to SQUEEZEpoop out as many Splinter Cell's as Kojima has had Metal Gear Solid's.

Splinter Cell's not crap either, and Forza is a better series, my point is some Dev's VISION take longer to implement. When we look at GT's Reputation vs. Forza's Reputation, there is something GT is doing that FORZA isn't doing. I would ask the hardcore SIM fans to quantify that, because there's something there.

:lol: a guy called "stoner-pimp" knows more about which game is more realistic than the entire game industry -Mad_Rhetoric-

Well actully no i'm not a guy called Stoner-Pimp, i'm a guy with an ingame handle of Stoner-Pimp (there is a difference), as for what i posted, dispute it if you can, explain how GT has a better and more realistic racing damage model (hence more realistic gameplay) than Forza?.

Diddy Kong Racing>Gran Turismo 5jeffdoomsday

Well that does add to your post count, So I guess that statement does serve a purpose

Diddy Kong Racing>Gran Turismo 5jeffdoomsday

Super Nintendo Mario Kart > All other Racing games :D

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"]:lol: a guy called "stoner-pimp" knows more about which game is more realistic than the entire game industry Stoner-Pimp

Well actully no i'm not a guy called Stoner-Pimp, i'm a guy with an ingame handle of Stoner-Pimp (there is a difference), as for what i posted, dispute it if you can, explain how GT has a better and more realistic racing damage model (hence more realistic gameplay) than Forza?.

the only con about GT was its AI but thats improved in GT5P

Realism is boring. Give me Mario Kart.jeffdoomsday

this= WIN

[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]

explain how GT has a better and more realistic racing damage model (hence more realistic gameplay) than Forza?.

-Mad_Rhetoric-

That said, I have yet to find a sim on any platform to equal iRacing. The laser-scanned tracks are absolutely unmatched. I wish they'd port it to PS3 so I could play it from my living room (no, I am NOT hauling my PC out of the office), but they're rather reticent about being at all associated with video games.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

SolidTy

Tells you something, doesn't it. It speaks volumes about the level of commitment from both SONY and M$, and ESPECIALLy from the Developers.

Heck, UBISOFT managed to SQUEEZEpoop out as many Splinter Cell's as Kojima has had Metal Gear Solid's.

Splinter Cell's not crap either, and Forza is a better series, my point is some Dev's VISION take longer to implement. When we look at GT's Reputation vs. Forza's Reputation, there is something GT is doing that FORZA isn't doing. I would ask the hardcore SIM fans to quantify that, because there's something there.

I think the GT series has always had way better racing simsShenmue_Jehuty

Although Forza's a good game, it's missing that extra something that GT possesses. It's quite obvious the series just isn't recognized like GT is by Media or fans.

The Gran Turismo Prologue Series is a nice taste, but fans shouldn't use it as a scale when talking GT. The Prologue's have been around A LONG WHILE, but they are new to the WEST.

SolidTy

Attachment to brand name is the least important thing to me, and I personally despise it.

i dont know why people think Forza is the God Of Damage. Any of you actually played Toca Race Driver? Thats how cars react when they are crashed, not forza, where you crash a ferrari at 100mph and only the paint job and front bumper go wrong.

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics/5skyline_20081016_001.shtml

THATS A REAL LIFE CRASH

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Jase156/360crash.jpg

THIS IS A POOR EXCUSE OF A CRASH.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

SolidTy

Tells you something, doesn't it. It speaks volumes about the level of commitment from both SONY and M$, and ESPECIALLy from the Developers.

Heck, UBISOFT managed to SQUEEZEpoop out as many Splinter Cell's as Kojima has had Metal Gear Solid's.

Splinter Cell's not crap either, and Forza is a better series, my point is some Dev's VISION take longer to implement. When we look at GT's Reputation vs. Forza's Reputation, there is something GT is doing that FORZA isn't doing. I would ask the hardcore SIM fans to quantify that, because there's something there.

They take longer because they spend 200 days modelling each car so that it looks right. Now GT games have amazing graphics, i was blown away by the cockpit view in GT5: Prologue. But you have to think, is the extra attention to detail on the dashboard, wheels, bumpers etc worth the extra few years wait?

people saying gt>>>>>>>forza don't realize how incredible forzas physics really are - like for ewxample drifting: the devs didn't intend for you to do it, but people found out how to tune each and every car for optimum drifting. plus go for a test drive you can instantly feel how the car changes depending on what slide you slid, and how everything from tyre compound to weight disribution goes into the mix to make endless possiblities... and it's all magnified a thousand times with the wheel. and heck, go to the forzamotorsport.net forums and marvel at the THOUSANDS of pages of tips and info and everything about everything in foza. it's truly incredible.

i think GTs popularity is due to it being much "easier" - you don't need to do dozens of practice laps to get the right settings nor do you have to spend hours and hours making an amazing design on a car (well you can't even do that at all :P) nor do you have to figure out the best braking distance taking into account your car for each and eveyr corner then remember it for the following laps, NOR do you have to be careful so as not to cripple your vehicle.

forza>>>gt no matter what.

Next year's Super Bowl winner is better than the Super Bowl winner 3 years from now.

[QUOTE="-Mad_Rhetoric-"][QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]

explain how GT has a better and more realistic racing damage model (hence more realistic gameplay) than Forza?.

lowe0

That said, I have yet to find a sim on any platform to equal iRacing. The laser-scanned tracks are absolutely unmatched. I wish they'd port it to PS3 so I could play it from my living room (no, I am NOT hauling my PC out of the office), but they're rather reticent about being at all associated with video games.

the like of Corvette racing, Toyo tires, etc had nothing but praise for Forza's physics model. Much so for suspension/tire models.

That being said regaurdless. Race Pro is going to blow both out of the water in terms of car physics and tire/road handling.

the like of Corvette racing, Toyo tires, etc had nothing but praise for Forza's physics model. Much so for suspension/tire models.

That being said regaurdless. Race Pro is going to blow both out of the water in terms of car physics and tire/road handling.

Innovazero2000

The only reason i think most GT fans say its the best racer is beacause for years it was the only racer of its type so gamers became accustomed to it and thought this was the only way a sim (i use that term very loosely) should be.

Anyone who has actually driven a car in anger on a track will clearly see that Forza is vastly superior in everyway apart from the graphics to GT.

A car feels very dynamic at speed which forza does exceptionally well with even the flex of the tires being felt by the player, GT is not even close to this feel in my opinion.

Im not a pro racing driver at all but i do have a very nice car and i do drive track days so know how a car feels on track and its not like GT im afraid.

All this is moot anyway cause GT fans dogmatically stick to their 'GT is best no matter what' ideas so it doesnt really matter what i or anyone else says, it wont matter at all to these people.

eh?? better phys the cars in gt look as though they are skating about the track!

its the same as the other games which is very bland these days..and the graphics are nothing either sure they are 1080p but theres nothing else there...its a snore fest...

The only reason i think most GT fans say its the best racer is beacause for years it was the only racer of its type so gamers became accustomed to it and thought this was the only way a sim (i use that term very loosely) should be.

Anyone who has actually driven a car in anger on a track will clearly see that Forza is vastly superior in everyway apart from the graphics to GT.

A car feels very dynamic at speed which forza does exceptionally well with even the flex of the tires being felt by the player, GT is not even close to this feel in my opinion.

Im not a pro racing driver at all but i do have a very nice car and i do drive track days so know how a car feels on track and its not like GT im afraid.

All this is moot anyway cause GT fans dogmatically stick to their 'GT is best no matter what' ideas so it doesnt really matter what i or anyone else says, it wont matter at all to these people.

l34052

Although Forza's a good game, it's missing that extra something that GT possesses. It's quite obvious the series just isn't recognized like GT is by Media or fans.SolidTy

Although Forza's a good game, it's missing that extra something that GT possesses. It's quite obvious the series just isn't recognized like GT is by Media or fans.

SolidTy

really? Forza was on Top Gear, Forza was featured in Car & Driver, Forza has been acclaimed by professional racers in EU and Japan as the most realistic racing sim ever.

just because you were'nt exposed to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. i don't recall GT:P being featured anywhere or praised for it's realism - all i saw were Cow threads on how good it looks.

I'm beginning to think that people that love GT have never actually driven a car in real life. Sorry, but Forza is way ahead of GT. Just because Poly is lazy doesn't mean they are more dedicated...AlphaGamer469

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"] I'm beginning to think that people that love GT have never actually driven a car in real life. Sorry, but Forza is way ahead of GT. Just because Poly is lazy doesn't mean they are more dedicated...-Mad_Rhetoric-

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Although Forza's a good game, it's missing that extra something that GT possesses. It's quite obvious the series just isn't recognized like GT is by Media or fans.

3picuri3

really? Forza was on Top Gear, Forza was featured in Car & Driver, Forza has been acclaimed by professional racers in EU and Japan as the most realistic racing sim ever.

just because you were'nt exposed to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. i don't recall GT:P being featured anywhere or praised for it's realism - all i saw were Cow threads on how good it looks.

Forza doesn't even deserve to be mentioned on a same sentence with Gran Turismo. Forza just sucks, GT is better in everyway. For that reason it is one of the most succesful franchises and only possible on PS3. Enjoy your 3-5 discs game.:lol:coldsteel321

You obviously haven't played both games. I've played them all and Forza is easily the most realistic of between the two. The fact that the first 4 GT games didn't even have damage and still used the lame rubberband A.I., tell us that the game is far from realistic and has been using the same A.I. engine since the original GT. Considering all the extra stuff Forza 3 is going to have compared to Forza 2, there's no doubt it'll blow GT5 away in gameplay quality. The only thing GT5 has going for it is it's graphics and we can only pray that the online is good.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Although Forza's a good game, it's missing that extra something that GT possesses. It's quite obvious the series just isn't recognized like GT is by Media or fans.

3picuri3

really? Forza was on Top Gear

WOW, Wrong wrong wrong!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzlmr3VuF8

no, all car enthusiast chose GT over all else, car companies beg to be in GT-Mad_Rhetoric-

Yes, many people will enjoy GT5 when it finally releases in 2015.nethernova

Actually I think it releases in 2009. At least thats what the devs are saying :)

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

SolidTy

Tells you something, doesn't it. It speaks volumes about the level of commitment from both SONY and M$, and ESPECIALLy from the Developers.

Heck, UBISOFT managed to SQUEEZEpoop out as many Splinter Cell's as Kojima has had Metal Gear Solid's.

No! It tell us that it took Polophony over 3 years to figure out the PS3 architecture and software tools. :lol: They made the previous GT games a lot quicker and I'm sure GT 5 will be more of the same, but now include damage and online, which Forza has include since day one. :roll: GT5 is playing catch up to the Forza series. Only thing Forza needs to improve is the graphic quality, but the gameplay, features and online support is so good that graphics aren't as important.

i dont know why people think Forza is the God Of Damage. Any of you actually played Toca Race Driver? Thats how cars react when they are crashed, not forza, where you crash a ferrari at 100mph and only the paint job and front bumper go wrong.

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/exotics/5skyline_20081016_001.shtml

THATS A REAL LIFE CRASH

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v30/Jase156/360crash.jpg

THIS IS A POOR EXCUSE OF A CRASH.

RazMaTaz-1

The fact that GT5 crashing nothing like either of those is what makes it even less realistic. You run into a wall going 130mph in GT5: Prologue and bounce of the wall and continue at close to the same speed. That's realistic? What a joke!! :lol:

Also, there are different levels of damage in Forza 2.

GT has only had one AAA game and that was 7 years ago with no other sim racers to go against. The last GT game was GT:5P and it only scored 7.5.

On the other hand Forza has had two games and both were AAA.

If Forza 3 comes out before GT5 then that means 3 Forza games were released in the time Poly took to release GT5 since Forza 1 was released after GT4.

Eltroz

The only factor which has put GT series behind Forza is lack of customisation and damage, both of which have been confirmed for GT5. GT5P was a demo, would you expect a game to get more than a 7.5 with only FIVE tracks?

Stop kidding yourself, the racing aspect of GT has always >>>> Forza, it just lacked the damage and customisation...