GT5P vs. GRID... why the ...????

Grid looks good, indeed, but I have to admit, GT5p looks WAY better, graphical wise.

cmon fanboys, dont deny this. you cant just simply tell Grid is better because of the damage, wat about the features? the simulation? the gameplay?

def_mode

yeah, the reviews are saying its better in those respects too

I guess I'm the only REAL gamer. :shock:

Why don't the rest of you casuals try exercising some CONSUMER POWER! Wow, if more developers could get away with this crap just think where the industry would go.

septicvirus

Because of the huge amount of manafacturers whos cars are in the game - dont want them destoryed.

In this day and age its a fairly weak excuse though, almost as bad as sega paying Pizza Hut, and KFC to be in Crazy Taxi - in terms of companies and the game itself.

[QUOTE="septicvirus"]I guess I'm the only REAL gamer. :shock:

Why don't the rest of you casuals try exercising some CONSUMER POWER! Wow, if more developers could get away with this crap just think where the industry would go.

blitzcloud

Im certainly grinning with the knowlege i spend the price of a full game to be allowed to play games i already own for a year online
skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Im certainly grinning with the knowlege i spend the price of a full game to be allowed to play games i already own for a year online
blitzcloud

[QUOTE="blitzcloud"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Im certainly grinning with the knowlege i spend the price of a full game to be allowed to play games i already own for a year online
skrat_01

Oh yes, I see it. Basically, no one would pay for LIVE gold if online gaming wasn't in the package.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="blitzcloud"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Im certainly grinning with the knowlege i spend the price of a full game to be allowed to play games i already own for a year online
blitzcloud

Oh yes, I see it. Basically, no one would pay for LIVE gold if online gaming wasn't in the package.

In a nutshel yes you are completely right. if it wasent for online gaming being held to ransom, we woudlent pay for Live Gold.

In a nutshel yes you are completely right. if it wasent for online gaming being held to ransom, we woudlent pay for Live Gold.skrat_01

Well, GRID is a more an arcade racer so I'm not sure why we're comparing it to a simulator. Burnout Paradise would be a better comparison.thrones

i think PGR is a better comparison

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]In a nutshel yes you are completely right. if it wasent for online gaming being held to ransom, we woudlent pay for Live Gold.blitzcloud

Ms have tried with Windows Live, and honestly i think even MS knows its a train wreck. PC gamers are just going to keep sticking to Xfire (over 10 million users) and Steam (over 15 million), there simply isnt any point for an inferiour gimped service that no one uses.
skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Ms have tried with Windows Live, and honestly i think even MS knows its a train wreck. PC gamers are just going to keep sticking to Xfire (over 10 million users) and Steam (over 15 million), there simply isnt any point for an inferiour gimped service that no one uses.
blitzcloud

Read the reviews PEOPLE!!! Grid's dmage is over the top and fake. You think a real sim like GT5P should throw in some over the top damage so you quit whinning? :lol: Get over it.

YOU'RE ALSO PAYING $20 MORE!!!

I played all the different types of racing in the Grid demo and all i can say is Wow! GT5 can't even hold a candle to this game.Patriot298

i thought where gran turismo used real car brands, that they werent allowed to put damage modeling in because they would lose sponsorship and many companies would pull their brands out of gran turisimo (this used to be the case, because the companies didnt want their cars to be trashed in the game (i read an article about it back when gran tursimo 1 came out, i forget where though)

i hope they do add damage modeling, ill become a fan again if they do.

GRID on my PC running on MAX with 16X AA looks better than GT5p, and also runs at a higher framerate. So technically GRID is the better looking game.Mayhem48

you can probably blame 1080p for that..daveg1

lol. The best ones always go unnoticed.

[QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

septicvirus

It seems that *some people* are avoiding this thread like the plague. It's funny how quickly all the GT5P hype died down after the 7.5 score was released.

What GT5P Hype? Most of us never even knew it would get reviewed, the hype is for GT5.

[QUOTE="Mayhem48"]GRID on my PC running on MAX with 16X AA looks better than GT5p, and also runs at a higher framerate. So technically GRID is the better looking game.blitzcloud

About an average of 50-60 FPS, never has dropped below 30 even with 20 cars on screen.

My PC specs are...

8800GT (OCed 700/1990/1750)

2gigs DDR2 memory.

Athlon X2 4000+ (OCed to 2.6GHZ)

Here's a pic i took just afew hours ago, the only difference between this pic and gameplay is no blur is added to this pic, so i guess you could say it looks even better in-game is you prefer motion blur...

As you can see there is practically no visible aliasing. I don't have a pic with the framerate in the corner to prove what i said but you could ask any other PC gamer with a similar system and they will confirm what I'm saying.

GRID feels like your driving a floating go-kart

System Wars is unbelievable....no one in their right mind can say GRID looks and plays better than GT5P.

[QUOTE="Patriot298"]I played all the different types of racing in the Grid demo and all i can say is Wow! GT5 can't even hold a candle to this game.The_Crucible

Yes I have. GT5P does look great without a doubt. But the screen tearing and empty looking worlds are pitiful. Grid moves so fast and yet so smooth! Maybe when the real GT5 releases they'll have the screen tearing fixed.

Read the reviews PEOPLE!!! Grid's dmage is over the top and fake. You think a real sim like GT5P should throw in some over the top damage so you quit whinning? :lol: Get over it.

YOU'RE ALSO PAYING $20 MORE!!!

The_Crucible

The series never has been. Its always been more acessable over pure simulation.

Now GTR2, that is a real sim.

WALL OF TEXT+PICMayhem48

Okay, then you failed in one point. GT5p does run at 60fps. So don't say MORE. Grid, on the other side, does run at 30fps on consoles.

Heres why he didnt want to implement damage.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=11b5jO30dug

[QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

septicvirus

It seems that *some people* are avoiding this thread like the plague. It's funny how quickly all the GT5P hype died down after the 7.5 score was released.

GT5 will be AAA and will have damage

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

septicvirus

His eyes.

I think his eyes are telling the truth. ;)

Same

Why the heck can GRID have damage (that affects gameplay and done pretty well) and NOT GT5p????????????

I mean, given the fact that GT5P is just a demo, shouldn't they have been able to implement damage? I know GRID has less cars, but it is a FULL GAME so you can't argue that there is more substance to GT5p.

septicvirus

The definition of Prologue: any introductry proceeding,event etc.Appetizing delicaces where the prologue to a long dinner.

Why is GT5P being constantly compared to full games?I bought and love it,the lack of damadge is annoying but it far from spoils the game.

And if you think its not good value for money DONT BUY THE GAME!

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

-Wheels-

His eyes.

And mine :|

Heres why he didnt want to implement damage.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=11b5jO30dug

xTHExJUICEx

I think thats BS(not directed at you), i mean, what about games that use the same cars that are in GT5P that have damage? PGR4, Forza 2, GRID, GTR2? they all have damage. it HAS to be some other reason. It just doesnt make any sense for the manufacturers to just say they dont want damage in one game when 50 other ones have it

[QUOTE="xTHExJUICEx"]

Heres why he didnt want to implement damage.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=11b5jO30dug

navyguy21

I think thats BS(not directed at you), i mean, what about games that use the same cars that are in GT5P that have damage? PGR4, Forza 2, GRID, GTR2? they all have damage. it HAS to be some other reason. It just doesnt make any sense for the manufacturers to just say they dont want damage in one game when 50 other ones have it

did you even watch the video?

did you even watch the video?xTHExJUICEx

It really is not all about the bumper cars....

It is not having any consequence for your driving skill..When there is none you play the game loose..you don't think twice about diving in and quarter paneling a player or clipping a corner @ 80..You bounce off of whatever and you continue playing...with no effect to your car..That mindset completely ruins the immersion. When there are consequences you feel you have to make the turn proper or the rest of the lap/game is shot due to the car pulling or the aero is off...

It is no different than playing a FPS on "god" mode where you do not die...You pop out... take rounds and you don't care because there are no consequences for your actions.. Same for the flight sim analogy...If you knew that you could never crash the plane and end the experience...How fun is that?

FM2 does what GT has never done...given the player that sense of urgency that if you are not on point with your driving ability you will not complete the game..

One of the biggest accomplishments I have felt in playing a game is driving the endurance race at Nordschleife in FM2..If you are not familiar with it..the track is 7 miles, fast wide open corners.. narrow lanes.. Popping in and out of slow banked corners...Lap times are about 7:30 on the conservative side..To finish the round you need to do 7 laps..Close to an hour long race..

Your tires wear which makes you car push and fuel is consumed...You can not hit anything and pit proper or you will loose..That sense of urgency makes the game..That makes you push when you can and pucker up when you have a close call..because you know if you don't make a proper pass or go hot into a corner in lap 6 yea got to start all over again.. And when you do everything right... it feels good...Without the "damage" at the end of the day it would be just turning laps and that's not for me.

For me I do not get that feeling from GT5P...and that sucks... because the game looks great and drives well..but with that important element missing..the game feels hollow and meaningless..

Other than hearing that damage is a "prospect" in a fall update..I don't see anywhere that they confirmed for fact that it will be implemented.. I really do hope they add that game play feature this fall..and ultimately in GT5..because without it...that is a shame..

[QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

ermacness

His eyes.

I think his eyes are telling the truth. ;)

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

TheFlush

His eyes.

I think his eyes are telling the truth. ;)

I also own both, but nothing from Grid can compete with the London level in GT5P.

Also, Damage was confirmed long ago. You're stupid not to read the interviews where the damage has already gone into practice and asking car companies for permission to add damage in. Why do you think Forza + Grid Lacks prestige cars like Jaguar XJ220 and some of the rear ****cs? Also, the damage and weather effects are free downloads anyway, so this thread is stupid and pointless.

[QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

ermacness

His eyes.

I think his eyes are telling the truth. ;)

and IGN review as well. it confirmed damage in Grid!

[QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

RazMaTaz-1

His eyes.

I think his eyes are telling the truth. ;)

I also own both, but nothing from Grid can compete with the London level in GT5P.

Also, Damage was confirmed long ago. You're stupid not to read the interviews where the damage has already gone into practice and asking car companies for permission to add damage in. Why do you think Forza + Grid Lacks prestige cars like Jaguar XJ220 and some of the rear ****cs? Also, the damage and weather effects are free downloads anyway, so this thread is stupid and pointless.

are you serious? Have you looked at the buildings in london? they are flat planes with a texture.TheFlush

1080p>720p

60fps>30fps

Cars>backgrounds

And the backgrounds, even if they aren't ZOMG-HIGH-POLY, deliver, in terms of realism and composition.

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]are you serious? Have you looked at the buildings in london? they are flat planes with a texture.blitzcloud

1080p>720p

60fps>30fps

Cars>backgrounds

And the backgrounds, even if they aren't ZOMG-HIGH-POLY, deliver, in terms of realism and composition.

Huh? GT5p is upscaled. Its not true 1080p and probably not even true 720p like the every other 360 and PS3 game. I can see your point with the 30fps thing, I like 60fps too. My guess is that Codemasters had some trouble getting their engine to run at 60fps with their damage physics system on consoles. Runs at 60fps+ on the PC though, but that is a given. So you are admitting that the GT5p backgrounds blow? The main attraction should be the cars and the backgrounds not just one over the other. But I suppose that the background sacrifice was needed to keep GT5 running smoothly.

[QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"][QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="septicvirus"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="-Wheels-"][QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="100Gamer"]

oh man, grid not only looks nicer but also has damage. awesome!

TheFlush

His eyes.

I think his eyes are telling the truth. ;)

I also own both, but nothing from Grid can compete with the London level in GT5P.

Also, Damage was confirmed long ago. You're stupid not to read the interviews where the damage has already gone into practice and asking car companies for permission to add damage in. Why do you think Forza + Grid Lacks prestige cars like Jaguar XJ220 and some of the rear ****cs? Also, the damage and weather effects are free downloads anyway, so this thread is stupid and pointless.

your argument is just as stupid as saying "have you seen the cars in Grid? they look rubbish compared to GT5". You play a car game for racing, not to stop during the race and pull out your magnifying glass to see the textures of the game. I mean seriously, are you that sad you actually stopped during a race to check if the buildings are 2d?

Also, Grid is more of an arcade Sim than anything else. It should be competiing against NFS more than GT.