GTA IV: Killing The Xbox 360, Boosting The PlayStation 3

For as much flak as Peter Moore got while leading the Xbox 360 team, it's hard to deny that his penchant for adorning his arms gave gamers a couple of very memorable moments. I mean, before Peter Moore's E3 2005 stunt, had you ever seen another executive get a (fake) tattoo for a key franchise (Halo)? And then, not to be outdone, walk into a second E3 with another (fake) tattoo for another franchise (GTA IV)? Seriously, Moore was Microsoft's biggest publicity whore, and he did a dang fine job of it.

But beneath all his excitement lay a few key lessons about Microsoft. For one, the company understood that without a killer exclusive like Halo, the Xbox brand simply wasn't strong enough to justify its R&D expense. That understanding is a key reason that before Knights of the Old Republic came along, the Xbox was playfully known as "a Halo adaptor for your TV." With Xbox 360, Microsoft needed to march onto its next achievement: stealing the "exclusiveness" of the Grand Theft Auto series from Sony. So when Moore strode on stage at E3 2006 with a GTA IV tattoo and announced that Rockstar's game would release "day and date" with the PlayStation 3 version, he was basically bragging like Bush when he said "mission accomplished."

But not so fast, Microsoft. Last week Rockstar delayed GTA IV until at least February 2008, a move that quite literally could have stolen every single ounce of leverage you hoped to have. In fact, that announcement could have single-handedly put your very-real competitors, Sony and the PlayStation 3, in the driver's seat in the GTA IV race, for three reasons.

First off, Microsoft paid $50 million for exclusive downloadable episodes for GTA IV, an unprecedented amount for content that the company presumably hoped would release during the holidays and drive Xbox 360 sales. Well, now Microsoft has not only dropped $50 million for yet-to-be-determined content, but the company has lost all hope of that content boosting holiday sales, because GTA IV won't even be in stores until late Q1 or early Q2 next year.

Secondly, with the delay of GTA IV until after the holidays, Sony has more time to boost its PS3 install base, which, depending on sales, could entice Rockstar to create exclusive downloadable content for that system as well. So, not only does the lack of holiday-released episodes mean Microsoft could fail to widen its install-base gap, but the company could actually see Sony close that gap once GTA IV comes out, because after the holidays Sony could have the critical mass to justify special episodes for the PS3.

Third (and most speculative), Sony could see a PS3 sales boost because Microsoft is shooting its first-party wad early. Rumors earlier this year said Microsoft strategically chose to release Halo 3 in September to appease Rockstar and not give GTA IV any direct competition on the Xbox 360's sales charts. November has been Bungie's sweet spot for Halo release dates, so September always seemed early; with this GTA IV rumor as context, the Halo 3 release date made much more sense. But with GTA IV now delayed, Halo 3 (if it doesn't end up being delayed) will release two months before the holiday shopping season really kicks off, thereby enabling Sony to come out of the Turkey-Day gates with a stellar first-party lineup.

To say GTA IV drives console sales is akin to saying B.B. King can play the guitar. So with Microsoft banking so much on those exclusive episodes, not to mention GTA IV releasing at a time when the Xbox 360 holds an install-base lead over the PlayStation 3, Rockstar's announcement couldn't have been any worse. Does the delay favor Sony and its PlayStation 3? Not necessarily. But it surely doesn't do anything but harm to Microsoft's holiday-release strategy.

If Peter Moore were still at Microsoft, I have a sneaking suspicion he'd be seeking out a tattoo-removal specialist. Because today, that enthusiastic showing two E3s ago that his "mission" was "accomplished" now looks like a 20-something inking the name of a one-night-stand on his bicep



Summary: They give 3 reasons why the GTA 4 delay hurts MS and helps Sony.

Lolz.

Remember i didnt write this.

For as much flak as Peter Moore got while leading the Xbox 360 team, it's hard to deny that his penchant for adorning his arms gave gamers a couple of very memorable moments. I mean, before Peter Moore's E3 2005 stunt, had you ever seen another executive get a (fake) tattoo for a key franchise (Halo)? And then, not to be outdone, walk into a second E3 with another (fake) tattoo for another franchise (GTA IV)? Seriously, Moore was Microsoft's biggest publicity whore, and he did a dang fine job of it.

But beneath all his excitement lay a few key lessons about Microsoft. For one, the company understood that without a killer exclusive like Halo, the Xbox brand simply wasn't strong enough to justify its R&D expense. That understanding is a key reason that before Knights of the Old Republic came along, the Xbox was playfully known as "a Halo adaptor for your TV." With Xbox 360, Microsoft needed to march onto its next achievement: stealing the "exclusiveness" of the Grand Theft Auto series from Sony. So when Moore strode on stage at E3 2006 with a GTA IV tattoo and announced that Rockstar's game would release "day and date" with the PlayStation 3 version, he was basically bragging like Bush when he said "mission accomplished."

But not so fast, Microsoft. Last week Rockstar delayed GTA IV until at least February 2008, a move that quite literally could have stolen every single ounce of leverage you hoped to have. In fact, that announcement could have single-handedly put your very-real competitors, Sony and the PlayStation 3, in the driver's seat in the GTA IV race, for three reasons.

First off, Microsoft paid $50 million for exclusive downloadable episodes for GTA IV, an unprecedented amount for content that the company presumably hoped would release during the holidays and drive Xbox 360 sales. Well, now Microsoft has not only dropped $50 million for yet-to-be-determined content, but the company has lost all hope of that content boosting holiday sales, because GTA IV won't even be in stores until late Q1 or early Q2 next year.

Secondly, with the delay of GTA IV until after the holidays, Sony has more time to boost its PS3 install base, which, depending on sales, could entice Rockstar to create exclusive downloadable content for that system as well. So, not only does the lack of holiday-released episodes mean Microsoft could fail to widen its install-base gap, but the company could actually see Sony close that gap once GTA IV comes out, because after the holidays Sony could have the critical mass to justify special episodes for the PS3.

Third (and most speculative), Sony could see a PS3 sales boost because Microsoft is shooting its first-party wad early. Rumors earlier this year said Microsoft strategically chose to release Halo 3 in September to appease Rockstar and not give GTA IV any direct competition on the Xbox 360's sales charts. November has been Bungie's sweet spot for Halo release dates, so September always seemed early; with this GTA IV rumor as context, the Halo 3 release date made much more sense. But with GTA IV now delayed, Halo 3 (if it doesn't end up being delayed) will release two months before the holiday shopping season really kicks off, thereby enabling Sony to come out of the Turkey-Day gates with a stellar first-party lineup.

To say GTA IV drives console sales is akin to saying B.B. King can play the guitar. So with Microsoft banking so much on those exclusive episodes, not to mention GTA IV releasing at a time when the Xbox 360 holds an install-base lead over the PlayStation 3, Rockstar's announcement couldn't have been any worse. Does the delay favor Sony and its PlayStation 3? Not necessarily. But it surely doesn't do anything but harm to Microsoft's holiday-release strategy.

If Peter Moore were still at Microsoft, I have a sneaking suspicion he'd be seeking out a tattoo-removal specialist. Because today, that enthusiastic showing two E3s ago that his "mission" was "accomplished" now looks like a 20-something inking the name of a one-night-stand on his bicep



Summary: They give 3 reasons why the GTA 4 delay hurts MS and helps Sony.

GarchomPro

Two topics on the same subject from the same guy? Wow... I get it, you hate that Rockstar want to develop for the 360.Shazenab

[QUOTE="Shazenab"]Two topics on the same subject from the same guy? Wow... I get it, you hate that Rockstar want to develop for the 360.GarchomPro

Followed by Sony I'd assume?:lol:

remember you didn't write it? why? you posted it. you are aware that in one part it claims the 360 lost the system seller, then later says that ms released all it's first party too early, implying that the 360 had alot more than gta4. the author, and poster of the drivil might as well printed in bold "i even call my self a liar".

bioshock is comming out soon, very soon. then halo3. assins creed and many more.

what does the ps3 have? well they still have the waiting game. when gta4 does eventually release half the game will be on the ps3, the full game will be on the 360.

that "there is no such thing as a console exclusive" sig shows fanboy desperation. it is ms exclusive. if the game requires windows it is still an ms exclusive. the ps3 has flop. accept it and move on with your life.

Remember i didnt write this.

For as much flak as Peter Moore got while leading the Xbox 360 team, it's hard to deny that his penchant for adorning his arms gave gamers a couple of very memorable moments. I mean, before Peter Moore's E3 2005 stunt, had you ever seen another executive get a (fake) tattoo for a key franchise (Halo)? And then, not to be outdone, walk into a second E3 with another (fake) tattoo for another franchise (GTA IV)? Seriously, Moore was Microsoft's biggest publicity whore, and he did a dang fine job of it.

But beneath all his excitement lay a few key lessons about Microsoft. For one, the company understood that without a killer exclusive like Halo, the Xbox brand simply wasn't strong enough to justify its R&D expense. That understanding is a key reason that before Knights of the Old Republic came along, the Xbox was playfully known as "a Halo adaptor for your TV." With Xbox 360, Microsoft needed to march onto its next achievement: stealing the "exclusiveness" of the Grand Theft Auto series from Sony. So when Moore strode on stage at E3 2006 with a GTA IV tattoo and announced that Rockstar's game would release "day and date" with the PlayStation 3 version, he was basically bragging like Bush when he said "mission accomplished."

But not so fast, Microsoft. Last week Rockstar delayed GTA IV until at least February 2008, a move that quite literally could have stolen every single ounce of leverage you hoped to have. In fact, that announcement could have single-handedly put your very-real competitors, Sony and the PlayStation 3, in the driver's seat in the GTA IV race, for three reasons.

First off, Microsoft paid $50 million for exclusive downloadable episodes for GTA IV, an unprecedented amount for content that the company presumably hoped would release during the holidays and drive Xbox 360 sales. Well, now Microsoft has not only dropped $50 million for yet-to-be-determined content, but the company has lost all hope of that content boosting holiday sales, because GTA IV won't even be in stores until late Q1 or early Q2 next year.

Secondly, with the delay of GTA IV until after the holidays, Sony has more time to boost its PS3 install base, which, depending on sales, could entice Rockstar to create exclusive downloadable content for that system as well. So, not only does the lack of holiday-released episodes mean Microsoft could fail to widen its install-base gap, but the company could actually see Sony close that gap once GTA IV comes out, because after the holidays Sony could have the critical mass to justify special episodes for the PS3.

Third (and most speculative), Sony could see a PS3 sales boost because Microsoft is shooting its first-party wad early. Rumors earlier this year said Microsoft strategically chose to release Halo 3 in September to appease Rockstar and not give GTA IV any direct competition on the Xbox 360's sales charts. November has been Bungie's sweet spot for Halo release dates, so September always seemed early; with this GTA IV rumor as context, the Halo 3 release date made much more sense. But with GTA IV now delayed, Halo 3 (if it doesn't end up being delayed) will release two months before the holiday shopping season really kicks off, thereby enabling Sony to come out of the Turkey-Day gates with a stellar first-party lineup.

To say GTA IV drives console sales is akin to saying B.B. King can play the guitar. So with Microsoft banking so much on those exclusive episodes, not to mention GTA IV releasing at a time when the Xbox 360 holds an install-base lead over the PlayStation 3, Rockstar's announcement couldn't have been any worse. Does the delay favor Sony and its PlayStation 3? Not necessarily. But it surely doesn't do anything but harm to Microsoft's holiday-release strategy.

If Peter Moore were still at Microsoft, I have a sneaking suspicion he'd be seeking out a tattoo-removal specialist. Because today, that enthusiastic showing two E3s ago that his "mission" was "accomplished" now looks like a 20-something inking the name of a one-night-stand on his bicep



Summary: They give 3 reasons why the GTA 4 delay hurts MS and helps Sony.

GarchomPro

You should think less and play more!

remember you didn't write it? why? you posted it. you are aware that in one part it claims the 360 lost the system seller, then later says that ms released all it's first party too early (they did...), implying that the 360 had alot more than gta4. the author, and poster of the drivil might as well printed in bold "i even call my self a liar".

bioshock is comming out soon (another FPS......yay?), very soon. then halo3(yet another FPS...). assins creed (spoiler alert!!!! Its multiplat) and many more.

what does the ps3 have (more than the 3fixme)? well they still have the waiting game. when gta4 does eventually release half the game will be on the ps3 (I really doubt that the PS3 only get half of the game, maybe 8/10), the full game will be on the 360.

that "there is no such thing as a console exclusive" sig shows fanboy desperation (the fact that you pointed that out shows your grabbing for straws). it is ms exclusive. if the game requires windows it is still an ms exclusive. the ps3 has flop(can i borrow that crystal ball?). accept it and move on with your life.

rdo

negative, team. 360 has a bomb of games this holiday while ps3 has near to none.

GTA IV killing PS3, Boosting 360 my friend.

a) rant

b) link or otherwise I'll assume u did write this.

another rant, last time i checked the xbox 360 has a better lineup this year than the ps3.kevy619

a) rant

b) link or otherwise I'll assume u did write this.

killaj2786

[QUOTE="killaj2786"]

a) rant

b) link or otherwise I'll assume u did write this.

GarchomPro

yay...from a website that posted stuff from websites we never heard of.....

wut the hell is dailygame.net?

also any month of the year is good to release Halo 3.....no matter what fanboys will rush to pick up this game. And MS alread has tehir trump card for NOvember: Mass Effect. Add the rumor that lost Odysessy is in October and they're fine without GTA 4. There are way too many games coming out this fall and holiday to help the 360 taht there's no need for GTA4.

I love how you think Sony's 1st party games are going to pull them throuh this holiday when one of them is already considered a FLOP. Plus Halo 3 alone will out sell Drake, Ratchet and Clank and Hevenlysword combined all by it's self. So what games do you have to look forward to for this PS3 holiday? Mr-XXX300

That's so typical. Whenever a Lem speaks about Halo3 they say how much it will sell but they never talk about the quality of the game.Ratchet and uncharted looks way better than Halo3. It might not sell more units but I'm pretty sure thsie titles will be better than Halo.

[QUOTE="Mr-XXX300"]I love how you think Sony's 1st party games are going to pull them throuh this holiday when one of them is already considered a FLOP. Plus Halo 3 alone will out sell Drake, Ratchet and Clank and Hevenlysword combined all by it's self. So what games do you have to look forward to for this PS3 holiday? azad_champ

That's so typical. Whenever a Lem speaks about Halo3 they say how much it will sell but they never talk about the quality of the game.Ratchet and uncharted looks way better than Halo3. It might not sell more units but I'm pretty sure thsie titles will be better than Halo.

This is a thread...about sales...:|

[QUOTE="Mr-XXX300"]I love how you think Sony's 1st party games are going to pull them throuh this holiday when one of them is already considered a FLOP. Plus Halo 3 alone will out sell Drake, Ratchet and Clank and Hevenlysword combined all by it's self. So what games do you have to look forward to for this PS3 holiday? azad_champ

That's so typical. Whenever a Lem speaks about Halo3 they say how much it will sell but they never talk about the quality of the game.Ratchet and uncharted looks way better than Halo3. It might not sell more units but I'm pretty sure thsie titles will be better than Halo.

Please explain how you areSURE that both titles will be better than Halo3?

I don't think it's as bad for MS as it is for Sony. MS already has plenty of big games being released this year, including their biggest one - Halo 3. Their 08 line-up was not as good and was in need of more big games. Anyway the only console that's going to really benefit from this is the Wii. Both Sony and MS loose out from the delay because the more the Wii outsells them the less likely they will ever catch it.

remember you didn't write it? why? you posted it. you are aware that in one part it claims the 360 lost the system seller, then later says that ms released all it's first party too early, implying that the 360 had alot more than gta4. the author, and poster of the drivil might as well printed in bold "i even call my self a liar".

bioshock is comming out soon, very soon. then halo3. assins creed and many more.

what does the ps3 have? well they still have the waiting game. when gta4 does eventually release half the game will be on the ps3, the full game will be on the 360.

that "there is no such thing as a console exclusive" sig shows fanboy desperation. it is ms exclusive. if the game requires windows it is still an ms exclusive. the ps3 has flop. accept it and move on with your life.

rdo

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="killaj2786"]

a) rant

b) link or otherwise I'll assume u did write this.

killaj2786

yay...from a website that posted stuff from websites we never heard of.....

wut the hell is dailygame.net?

also any month of the year is good to release Halo 3.....no matter what fanboys will rush to pick up this game. And MS alread has tehir trump card for NOvember: Mass Effect. Add the rumor that lost Odysessy is in October and they're fine without GTA 4. There are way too many games coming out this fall and holiday to help the 360 taht there's no need for GTA4.

GTA IV killing PS3, Boosting 360 my friend.

fenwickhotmail

EXACTLY. This is hurting Sony far more than MS, since Sony were relying on GTA4 to sell a lot of ps3 units this coming holiday.

[QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"]

GTA IV killing PS3, Boosting 360 my friend.

---n00b_kid---

EXACTLY. This is hurting Sony far more than MS, since Sony were relying on GTA4 to sell a lot of ps3 units this coming holiday.

[QUOTE="killaj2786"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="killaj2786"]

a) rant

b) link or otherwise I'll assume u did write this.

Stall0wn3d

yay...from a website that posted stuff from websites we never heard of.....

wut the hell is dailygame.net?

also any month of the year is good to release Halo 3.....no matter what fanboys will rush to pick up this game. And MS alread has tehir trump card for NOvember: Mass Effect. Add the rumor that lost Odysessy is in October and they're fine without GTA 4. There are way too many games coming out this fall and holiday to help the 360 taht there's no need for GTA4.

I never said it will... hell, if blue dragon can get 200,000 in japan, Lost odyssesy can proably get 300,000. And they're more peopel anticpating this game then u think.I think it does have chance to reach a million worldwide. Hell Forza 2 did it and it's not even like by that much of teh xbox community. And Mass effect will sell, at least a million or 2 in the u.s. alone. people are waiting for this like they're waiting for a FF game. There are too many games this season for the 360 to be hurt by GTA4. I think this'll benefit them more they're get more people to buy the game.This isnt hurting them at all...

I love how you think Sony's 1st party games are going to pull them throuh this holiday when one of them is already considered a FLOP. Plus Halo 3 alone will out sell Drake, Ratchet and Clank and Hevenlysword combined all by it's self. So what games do you have to look forward to for this PS3 holiday? Mr-XXX300

Dude, it isn't the hardcore gamers like you that buy up systems. It's the causal gamers like me that make up the bulk of console sales. You know, the folks that own one system and buy maybe 4 or 5 games through the course of the year. Guess what? The Causals haven't went next gen yet, for the most part. The causals don't know that Lair flopped (Funny, a game that's not out yet has flopped...I guess I don't know how that works). Hell, the causals don't even know what Lair IS, for crying out loud.

The casuals are the PS2 owners that haven't gone next gen yet. The causals that buy Madden every time it comes out. They buy games like Ratchet and Clank becausejust pick it up and play it. Theybuy games like Gran Turismo, GTA, and Metal Gear. They don't play Bioshock, Lair, orHeavenlySword. They've never heard of Assasin's Creed or Blue Dragon. They care about sports titles, platformers, racing games, and FPS, to a smaller extent. You hardcore video gamers think that the gaming world revolves around you because you spent all of this time in the vacuum chamber that is GameSpot, talking to other hardcore gamers. You guys are but a small percentage of the gaming population. You guys mean NOTHING to console sales.

Mark this down on your calendar right now: The PS3 will overtake the Xbox 360 in console sales before this generation is over.

[QUOTE="---n00b_kid---"][QUOTE="fenwickhotmail"]

GTA IV killing PS3, Boosting 360 my friend.

Stall0wn3d

EXACTLY. This is hurting Sony far more than MS, since Sony were relying on GTA4 to sell a lot of ps3 units this coming holiday.

we dont know when GT5 comes out... if u got a link for that let me know. GTA4 will sell on both systems. the only one is MGS4 and one game isnt enough. I'm not dissing the ps3 cuz ima get one next year but if u think this will qualify as a longer holiday, ur sadly mistaken.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Remember i didnt write this.

For as much flak as Peter Moore got while leading the Xbox 360 team, it's hard to deny that his penchant for adorning his arms gave gamers a couple of very memorable moments. I mean, before Peter Moore's E3 2005 stunt, had you ever seen another executive get a (fake) tattoo for a key franchise (Halo)? And then, not to be outdone, walk into a second E3 with another (fake) tattoo for another franchise (GTA IV)? Seriously, Moore was Microsoft's biggest publicity whore, and he did a dang fine job of it.

But beneath all his excitement lay a few key lessons about Microsoft. For one, the company understood that without a killer exclusive like Halo, the Xbox brand simply wasn't strong enough to justify its R&D expense. That understanding is a key reason that before Knights of the Old Republic came along, the Xbox was playfully known as "a Halo adaptor for your TV." With Xbox 360, Microsoft needed to march onto its next achievement: stealing the "exclusiveness" of the Grand Theft Auto series from Sony. So when Moore strode on stage at E3 2006 with a GTA IV tattoo and announced that Rockstar's game would release "day and date" with the PlayStation 3 version, he was basically bragging like Bush when he said "mission accomplished."

But not so fast, Microsoft. Last week Rockstar delayed GTA IV until at least February 2008, a move that quite literally could have stolen every single ounce of leverage you hoped to have. In fact, that announcement could have single-handedly put your very-real competitors, Sony and the PlayStation 3, in the driver's seat in the GTA IV race, for three reasons.

First off, Microsoft paid $50 million for exclusive downloadable episodes for GTA IV, an unprecedented amount for content that the company presumably hoped would release during the holidays and drive Xbox 360 sales. Well, now Microsoft has not only dropped $50 million for yet-to-be-determined content, but the company has lost all hope of that content boosting holiday sales, because GTA IV won't even be in stores until late Q1 or early Q2 next year.

Secondly, with the delay of GTA IV until after the holidays, Sony has more time to boost its PS3 install base, which, depending on sales, could entice Rockstar to create exclusive downloadable content for that system as well. So, not only does the lack of holiday-released episodes mean Microsoft could fail to widen its install-base gap, but the company could actually see Sony close that gap once GTA IV comes out, because after the holidays Sony could have the critical mass to justify special episodes for the PS3.

Third (and most speculative), Sony could see a PS3 sales boost because Microsoft is shooting its first-party wad early. Rumors earlier this year said Microsoft strategically chose to release Halo 3 in September to appease Rockstar and not give GTA IV any direct competition on the Xbox 360's sales charts. November has been Bungie's sweet spot for Halo release dates, so September always seemed early; with this GTA IV rumor as context, the Halo 3 release date made much more sense. But with GTA IV now delayed, Halo 3 (if it doesn't end up being delayed) will release two months before the holiday shopping season really kicks off, thereby enabling Sony to come out of the Turkey-Day gates with a stellar first-party lineup.

To say GTA IV drives console sales is akin to saying B.B. King can play the guitar. So with Microsoft banking so much on those exclusive episodes, not to mention GTA IV releasing at a time when the Xbox 360 holds an install-base lead over the PlayStation 3, Rockstar's announcement couldn't have been any worse. Does the delay favor Sony and its PlayStation 3? Not necessarily. But it surely doesn't do anything but harm to Microsoft's holiday-release strategy.

If Peter Moore were still at Microsoft, I have a sneaking suspicion he'd be seeking out a tattoo-removal specialist. Because today, that enthusiastic showing two E3s ago that his "mission" was "accomplished" now looks like a 20-something inking the name of a one-night-stand on his bicep



Summary: They give 3 reasons why the GTA 4 delay hurts MS and helps Sony.

hobbit93

There's no reason to laugh. You are just showing you're the bigger fanboy here. Besides, he didn't even write that, it came from somewhere else. And that article has legitimate reasons why GTA IV being delayed hurts the 360 more, you just clearly don't want to face them. You didn't even read it I'd bet.

I never said it will... hell, if blue dragon can get 200,000 in japan, Lost odyssesy can proably get 300,000. And they're more peopel anticpating this game then u think.I think it does have chance to reach a million worldwide. Hell Forza 2 did it and it's not even like by that much of teh xbox community. And Mass effect will sell, at least a million or 2 in the u.s. alone. people are waiting for this like they're waiting for a FF game. There are too many games this season for the 360 to be hurt by GTA4. I think this'll benefit them more they're get more people to buy the game.This isnt hurting them at all... killaj2786

we dont know when GT5 comes out... if u got a link for that let me know. GTA4 will sell on both systems. the only one is MGS4 and one game isnt enough. I'm not dissing the ps3 cuz ima get one next year but if u think this will qualify as a longer holiday, ur sadly mistaken. killaj2786

Actually GTA 4 may be killing Take Two if they don't get it out the door soon. That company is in serious trouble.sonicare

Bottom line.

It does not matter to MS or Sony if it gets delayed. The company this will hurt most is R*.

and also, just because one game gets delayed does not mean that a load of people are going to suddelny drop their xboxes and run out and buy a ps3. not that the would as the ps3 is ridiculously priced.

[QUOTE="Mr-XXX300"]I love how you think Sony's 1st party games are going to pull them throuh this holiday when one of them is already considered a FLOP. Plus Halo 3 alone will out sell Drake, Ratchet and Clank and Hevenlysword combined all by it's self. So what games do you have to look forward to for this PS3 holiday? bforrester

Dude, it isn't the hardcore gamers like you that buy up systems. It's the causal gamers like me that make up the bulk of console sales. You know, the folks that own one system and buy maybe 4 or 5 games through the course of the year. Guess what? The Causals haven't went next gen yet, for the most part. The causals don't know that Lair flopped (Funny, a game that's not out yet has flopped...I guess I don't know how that works). Hell, the causals don't even know what Lair IS, for crying out loud.

The casuals are the PS2 owners that haven't gone next gen yet. The causals that buy Madden every time it comes out. They buy games like Ratchet and Clank becausejust pick it up and play it. Theybuy games like Gran Turismo, GTA, and Metal Gear. They don't play Bioshock, Lair, orHeavenlySword. They've never heard of Assasin's Creed or Blue Dragon. They care about sports titles, platformers, racing games, and FPS, to a smaller extent. You hardcore video gamers think that the gaming world revolves around you because you spent all of this time in the vacuum chamber that is GameSpot, talking to other hardcore gamers. You guys are but a small percentage of the gaming population. You guys mean NOTHING to console sales.

Mark this down on your calendar right now: The PS3 will overtake the Xbox 360 in console sales before this generation is over.

You have noticed that Madden '08 has the Xbox 360 logo after the TV add? If you think the casuals don't notice that you are crazy. How many do you think, after seeing the add, said "oh, i guess Madden is only coming to the 360, guess I better get one". Casuals only know what they see and they have seen the 360 logo in the add so guess what game just became a system seller?

[QUOTE="hobbit93"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Remember i didnt write this.

DA_B0MB

There's no reason to laugh. You are justshowing you're the bigger fanboy here. Besides, he didn't even write that, it came from somewhere else.

Well, there's one reason to laugh...as the person that chalked the TS as, "cowws these days". What makes me laugh is what passes for reasonable debate on Gamespot. "Oh, the PS3 won't sell because it's expensive." "Oh, the PS3 has no good exclusives." "Oh, this system will do this for this reason." None of it really makes any sense. The reason? Because we've got a bunch of kids on Gamespot saying things like it's truth. Kids with no notion of how the business or marketing world works. You think the PS3 is expensive when people are buying up ever 400 and $500 iPhone they can find? And $500 is too expensive for a video game / multi media center? Give me a freakin' break! These folks on here have no concept of how important Brand loyalty and trust is in the consumer world.

As a casual gamer (you know, the bulk of the video gamer population), here is how I see this generation of gaming. Keep in mind, out of boredom at work, I spend time on gaming sites to kill time and to entertain. I also enjoy video games, so it gives me a way to keep up on new games, etc.

Xbox 360: I did my research online before buying a system, much like any parent will when researching a purchase for their kids. Okay, the reasonably intelligent parents, at least. What's the first thing you find out when you put Xbox 360 into ANY search engine? The hardware is crap. Casual gamers don't know about the Falcon chip. They aren't going to put THAT much research into it. They're going to see 'Hardware Failure' on Google (or Amazon too...Xbox has lousy reviews there)and they'll stop there. I'm not buying something for myself, or my kids, that is likely to break down in a relatively short period of time. Why do you guys think Toyota overtook Ford and GM in North American auto sales? Let's not forget to mention that most adults like myself, working in the real world, have plenty of experience with Microsoft products. Let's just say that doesn't often paint them in the most flattering light.

Wii: Man, I can't find one of these things ANYWHERE. If I find one, I'm scooping it up because as rare as they are, there must be something to it!

PS3: Well, it's pretty expensive, but man does it have some neat bells and whistles. I've got an HD-TV...this blu-ray stuff sounds alright. I've already / my kid already has a PS2, so my/their old games will still play, I/they'll get the new version of the games they already love to play, the conroller is the same...everyone leaves happy. Yeah, we might just wait until the price is lower. The kid's / my PS2 can last a little longer.

Is it any wonder PS2 outsells Xbox 360 and PS3? Yeah, it's cheaper. Yeah, it's got one heck of an established library. It's the gem of the video game console world, quite frankly. When those folks (us casuals) get ready to make the leap to next gen (and when the price is right), the PS3 is going to fly off the shelves.

You sheltered Hardcore gamers only see things through the narrow world perspective of the Hardcore gamer. You guys live in this Gamespot vaccuum, talking to other Hardcores. You guys see gaming through this weird prism that most of us do not see. We don't care about Bioshock, Mass Effect, Lair, Heavenly Sword, or any of those other arcane games that the Hardcores scoop up. Until I started researching Video games at work, I had never heard of Metal Gear Solid or God of War, or Elder Scrolls, or any of the other hyped big name games. My point is, you guys have NO concept of what really sells systems. Hell, most of you have never attended a college course (let alone hold a degree), so you have very little concept of business and marketing practices that work in the real world. You have very little concept of consumer trends. Basically what I'm saying is that I have very little respect for anything that is said on these forums because I don't believe many of you have the requisite real-world knowledge to back up any of your half-cocked assertions.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

[QUOTE="bforrester"]

[QUOTE="Mr-XXX300"]I love how you think Sony's 1st party games are going to pull them throuh this holiday when one of them is already considered a FLOP. Plus Halo 3 alone will out sell Drake, Ratchet and Clank and Hevenlysword combined all by it's self. So what games do you have to look forward to for this PS3 holiday? jbeen

Dude, it isn't the hardcore gamers like you that buy up systems. It's the causal gamers like me that make up the bulk of console sales. You know, the folks that own one system and buy maybe 4 or 5 games through the course of the year. Guess what? The Causals haven't went next gen yet, for the most part. The causals don't know that Lair flopped (Funny, a game that's not out yet has flopped...I guess I don't know how that works). Hell, the causals don't even know what Lair IS, for crying out loud.

The casuals are the PS2 owners that haven't gone next gen yet. The causals that buy Madden every time it comes out. They buy games like Ratchet and Clank becausejust pick it up and play it. Theybuy games like Gran Turismo, GTA, and Metal Gear. They don't play Bioshock, Lair, orHeavenlySword. They've never heard of Assasin's Creed or Blue Dragon. They care about sports titles, platformers, racing games, and FPS, to a smaller extent. You hardcore video gamers think that the gaming world revolves around you because you spent all of this time in the vacuum chamber that is GameSpot, talking to other hardcore gamers. You guys are but a small percentage of the gaming population. You guys mean NOTHING to console sales.

Mark this down on your calendar right now: The PS3 will overtake the Xbox 360 in console sales before this generation is over.

You have noticed that Madden '08 has the Xbox 360 logo after the TV add? If you think the casuals don't notice that you are crazy. How many do you think, after seeing the add, said "oh, i guess Madden is only coming to the 360, guess I better get one". Casuals only know what they see and they have seen the 360 logo in the add so guess what game just became a system seller?

You give casuals very little credit, don't you? I'd wager and say that casuals are probably better in their gaming consumer habits than hardcores. I mean, look at the Xbox fanboys. They're scooping up lousy hardware for a couple of good games. I don't know about you, but that's not what I call being a discriminating consumer. All you Lemmings (is that the correct term) have to say to Microsoft is, "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

Yeah, a casual (who likely never owned an Xbox) is going to see that logo and thing, "Every version of Madden is available on my PS2, but since it says Xbox 360 on the commercial, that must mean that Madden won't be on the Playstation anymore." Is that what you really think of causals? Seriously, only Republicans are that dense.

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="hobbit93"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Remember i didnt write this.

bforrester

There's no reason to laugh. You are justshowing you're the bigger fanboy here. Besides, he didn't even write that, it came from somewhere else.

Well, there's one reason to laugh...as the person that chalked the TS as, "cowws these days". What makes me laugh is what passes for reasonable debate on Gamespot. "Oh, the PS3 won't sell because it's expensive." "Oh, the PS3 has no good exclusives." "Oh, this system will do this for this reason." None of it really makes any sense. The reason? Because we've got a bunch of kids on Gamespot saying things like it's truth. Kids with no notion of how the business or marketing world works. You think the PS3 is expensive when people are buying up ever 400 and $500 iPhone they can find? And $500 is too expensive for a video game / multi media center? Give me a freakin' break! These folks on here have no concept of how important Brand loyalty and trust is in the consumer world.

As a casual gamer (you know, the bulk of the video gamer population), here is how I see this generation of gaming. Keep in mind, out of boredom at work, I spend time on gaming sites to kill time and to entertain. I also enjoy video games, so it gives me a way to keep up on new games, etc.

Xbox 360: I did my research online before buying a system, much like any parent will when researching a purchase for their kids. Okay, the reasonably intelligent parents, at least. What's the first thing you find out when you put Xbox 360 into ANY search engine? The hardware is crap. Casual gamers don't know about the Falcon chip. They aren't going to put THAT much research into it. They're going to see 'Hardware Failure' on Google (or Amazon too...Xbox has lousy reviews there)and they'll stop there. I'm not buying something for myself, or my kids, that is likely to break down in a relatively short period of time. Why do you guys think Toyota overtook Ford and GM in North American auto sales? Let's not forget to mention that most adults like myself, working in the real world, have plenty of experience with Microsoft products. Let's just say that doesn't often paint them in the most flattering light.

Wii: Man, I can't find one of these things ANYWHERE. If I find one, I'm scooping it up because as rare as they are, there must be something to it!

PS3: Well, it's pretty expensive, but man does it have some neat bells and whistles. I've got an HD-TV...this blu-ray stuff sounds alright. I've already / my kid already has a PS2, so my/their old games will still play, I/they'll get the new version of the games they already love to play, the conroller is the same...everyone leaves happy. Yeah, we might just wait until the price is lower. The kid's / my PS2 can last a little longer.

Is it any wonder PS2 outsells Xbox 360 and PS3? Yeah, it's cheaper. Yeah, it's got one heck of an established library. It's the gem of the video game console world, quite frankly. When those folks (us casuals) get ready to make the leap to next gen (and when the price is right), the PS3 is going to fly off the shelves.

You sheltered Hardcore gamers only see things through the narrow world perspective of the Hardcore gamer. You guys live in this Gamespot vaccuum, talking to other Hardcores. You guys see gaming through this weird prism that most of us do not see. We don't care about Bioshock, Mass Effect, Lair, Heavenly Sword, or any of those other arcane games that the Hardcores scoop up. Until I started researching Video games at work, I had never heard of Metal Gear Solid or God of War, or Elder Scrolls, or any of the other hyped big name games. My point is, you guys have NO concept of what really sells systems. Hell, most of you have never attended a college course (let alone hold a degree), so you have very little concept of business and marketing practices that work in the real world. You have very little concept of consumer trends. Basically what I'm saying is that I have very little respect for anything that is said on these forums because I don't believe many of you have the requisite real-world knowledge to back up any of your half-cocked assertions.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Well, there's one reason to laugh...as the person that chalked the TS as, "cowws these days". What makes me laugh is what passes for reasonable debate on Gamespot. "Oh, the PS3 won't sell because it's expensive." "Oh, the PS3 has no good exclusives." "Oh, this system will do this for this reason." None of it really makes any sense. The reason? Because we've got a bunch of kids on Gamespot saying things like it's truth. Kids with no notion of how the business or marketing world works. You think the PS3 is expensive when people are buying up ever 400 and $500 iPhone they can find? And $500 is too expensive for a video game / multi media center? Give me a freakin' break! These folks on here have no concept of how important Brand loyalty and trust is in the consumer world.

As a casual gamer (you know, the bulk of the video gamer population), here is how I see this generation of gaming. Keep in mind, out of boredom at work, I spend time on gaming sites to kill time and to entertain. I also enjoy video games, so it gives me a way to keep up on new games, etc.

Xbox 360: I did my research online before buying a system, much like any parent will when researching a purchase for their kids. Okay, the reasonably intelligent parents, at least. What's the first thing you find out when you put Xbox 360 into ANY search engine? The hardware is crap. Casual gamers don't know about the Falcon chip. They aren't going to put THAT much research into it. They're going to see 'Hardware Failure' on Google (or Amazon too...Xbox has lousy reviews there)and they'll stop there. I'm not buying something for myself, or my kids, that is likely to break down in a relatively short period of time. Why do you guys think Toyota overtook Ford and GM in North American auto sales? Let's not forget to mention that most adults like myself, working in the real world, have plenty of experience with Microsoft products. Let's just say that doesn't often paint them in the most flattering light.

Wii: Man, I can't find one of these things ANYWHERE. If I find one, I'm scooping it up because as rare as they are, there must be something to it!

PS3: Well, it's pretty expensive, but man does it have some neat bells and whistles. I've got an HD-TV...this blu-ray stuff sounds alright. I've already / my kid already has a PS2, so my/their old games will still play, I/they'll get the new version of the games they already love to play, the conroller is the same...everyone leaves happy. Yeah, we might just wait until the price is lower. The kid's / my PS2 can last a little longer.

Is it any wonder PS2 outsells Xbox 360 and PS3? Yeah, it's cheaper. Yeah, it's got one heck of an established library. It's the gem of the video game console world, quite frankly. When those folks (us casuals) get ready to make the leap to next gen (and when the price is right), the PS3 is going to fly off the shelves.

You sheltered Hardcore gamers only see things through the narrow world perspective of the Hardcore gamer. You guys live in this Gamespot vaccuum, talking to other Hardcores. You guys see gaming through this weird prism that most of us do not see. We don't care about Bioshock, Mass Effect, Lair, Heavenly Sword, or any of those other arcane games that the Hardcores scoop up. Until I started researching Video games at work, I had never heard of Metal Gear Solid or God of War, or Elder Scrolls, or any of the other hyped big name games. My point is, you guys have NO concept of what really sells systems. Hell, most of you have never attended a college course (let alone hold a degree), so you have very little concept of business and marketing practices that work in the real world. You have very little concept of consumer trends. Basically what I'm saying is that I have very little respect for anything that is said on these forums because I don't believe many of you have the requisite real-world knowledge to back up any of your half-cocked assertions.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

bforrester

For someone who "brags" about having better business sense then these so called kids, you should did yourself a favor by comparing the iPhone to a PS3 for basic economic spending. In fact you couldn't be more wrong sir, there is a huge, fundamental difference between the two items set price versus value.

And I can answer it in one word: competition. If you can't figure it out, well you shouldn't have posted.

Now that your arrogant yet flawed statement has been debunked, please continue as I doubt you will apologize to everyone here.

That is all, please resume folks.