gta4 is not a pretty game

is it just me or does gta4 , graphics wise look very ugly?

the charctor models are ugly and the faces are terrible

the faces look almost ps2.

yes i understand gameplay >>>> graphics

which confuses me cus people usually hype games due to graphics (like they did to lair )

so people like graphics, do people really like teh graphics for this game?

There's a few topics on this already.

Anyhoo, it's being hyped so much because:

9.6

9.6

9.6

One GOTY too. GTA is a fantastic series and R* have promised big things for the next entry, and they've yet to fail to deliver, hence the massive amounts of hype.

There's a few topics on this already.

Anyhoo, it's being hyped so much because:

9.6

9.6

9.6

One GOTY too. GTA is a fantastic series and R* have promised big things for the next entry, and they've yet to fail to deliver, hence the massive amounts of hype.

the-very-best

ah i know that!

i think i wrote it wrong.

loads of people are banging on about the visuals but where are they?

ah i know that!

i think i wrote it wrong.

loads of people are banging on about the visuals but where are they?

scottiescott238

What are the visuals?

They're pretty good imo for such a massive game. It's not like GTA's gonna be able to achieve Uncharted level graphics anytime soon and nobody should be expecting it to.

YOu gotta understand the type of game and the content it contains that GTA is and has.

That fact and the fact that its multiplat are the main reasons its doesn't "look" like most would want, but it technically is up there with all the things it will have.

The game will most likely hold up well.

It's not like GTA III had massively detailed visuals (even for PS2 standards).

The visuals are good enough, the character models fit the art direction they had rannung for a while now, veicles and surroundings look pretty detailed to me, considering the size of content.

Aye, the graphics don't make your jaw hit the floor, but that's never really been the point, has it?

1. GTA has never had excelent graphics.

2. It's hard to have good graphics in a game like GTA.

Hmmm...what's the strangest way to put this...

You don't go to a boxing match to admire the human form.

You go to a boxing match to see a guy get the absolute crap beat out of him.

GTA4 is like that :)

oblivion and mass effect were huge games and they had good graphicsscottiescott238

Haven't played ME, so I can't judge much.

But Oblivion was had pretty blunt and lifeless visuals. Everything felt somewhat sterile, the models all looked pretty stiff and the animation wasn't all that great. GTA just looks much more vivid, despite the more "comic" art style.

oblivion and mass effect were huge games and they had good graphicsscottiescott238

Neither of them are the same type of game. GTA has a lot more going on. Mass effect has appauling framerate issues and Oblivion resuses a high amount of graphics and texturesin each scene and lisenced a very expenisve technology to draw the fiolage.

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"]

ah i know that!

i think i wrote it wrong.

loads of people are banging on about the visuals but where are they?

the-very-best

What are the visuals?

They're pretty good imo for such a massive game. It's not like GTA's gonna be able to achieve Uncharted level graphics anytime soon and nobody should be expecting it to.

i think it looks good .. loads of detail, good damage on vehicles etc

GTA has never really been about graphics though has it?

ask yourself, playing the game with the graphics we've seen, will that stop you enjoying it? because it won't bother me

There's a few topics on this already.

Anyhoo, it's being hyped so much because:

9.6

9.6

9.6

One GOTY too. GTA is a fantastic series and R* have promised big things for the next entry, and they've yet to fail to deliver, hence the massive amounts of hype.

the-very-best

Are you gonna pick it up for 360 or are you considering a PS3 at all?

Are you gonna pick it up for 360 or are you considering a PS3 at all?

Udsen

I don't own a 360, and PS3 has more games that interest me atm so I'm buying it first next year when GTA comes out.

I expect them to be close. I mean, it looks considerably worse than any other highly anticipated game. Alan Wake has large environments but the graphics look great in every way. There is no excuse. Let's hope the game looks awful because it is incredibly un-optimized, and they did it to get a working framerate for demonstrations, otherwise there is going to be a problem. I think what concerns me even more is that even with the drop in graphical quality, the game still doesn't run smoothly. :/
DrinkDuff

Some of the screenshots are pretty great.

They still have a lot of time before release so hopefully they fix up the framerate and all will be good.

Guys, you forget: GTA is more open world than other 'open world' games you have listed. Oblivion? There's like what, five NPCs running around the whole town? Mass Effect? With it's "pseudo-characters" that do nothing but breathe and make the place look pretty? Alan Wake? It's got....one guy in the entire world? On the contrary, GTA has about twenty individuals walking down one side of an average street -- that's not to mention the other side of the street and the cars in between. There is a hell of a lot going on, and not many sandbox games come this close to detail, if any.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Guys, you forget: GTA is more open world than other 'open world' games you have listed. Oblivion? There's like what, five NPCs running around the whole town? Mass Effect? With it's "pseudo-characters" that do nothing but breathe and make the place look pretty? Alan Wake? It's got....one guy in the entire world? On the contrary, GTA has about twenty individuals walking down one side of an average street -- that's not to mention the other side of the street and the cars in between. There is a hell of a lot going on, and not many sandbox games come this close to detail, if any.-DOT-

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

Are you gonna pick it up for 360 or are you considering a PS3 at all?

the-very-best

I don't own a 360, and PS3 has more games that interest me atm so I'm buying it first next year when GTA comes out.

I expect them to be close. I mean, it looks considerably worse than any other highly anticipated games. Alan Wake has large environments but the graphics look great in every way. There is no excuse. Let's hope the game looks awful because it is incredibly un-optimized, and they did it to get a working framerate for demonstrations, otherwise there is going to be a problem. I think what concerns me even more is that even with the drop in graphical quality, the game still doesn't run smoothly. :/
DrinkDuff

Some of the screenshots are pretty great.

They still have a lot of time before release so hopefully they fix up the framerate and all will be good.

screenshots do not equal gameplay. We have no clue if those were bullshots or shots taken out of the engine while running at 2 frames a second. All I know is that shot, while nice, does not represent the game in its current state shown by the trailer.
DrinkDuff

I think they're purposely holding off gameplay footage as it's probably where Rockstar shook up the formula the most. I personally thought the trailer was very impressive, but the framerate needs to be fixed before release.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="Udsen"]

Are you gonna pick it up for 360 or are you considering a PS3 at all?

DrinkDuff

I don't own a 360, and PS3 has more games that interest me atm so I'm buying it first next year when GTA comes out.

I expect them to be close. I mean, it looks considerably worse than any other highly anticipated games. Alan Wake has large environments but the graphics look great in every way. There is no excuse. Let's hope the game looks awful because it is incredibly un-optimized, and they did it to get a working framerate for demonstrations, otherwise there is going to be a problem. I think what concerns me even more is that even with the drop in graphical quality, the game still doesn't run smoothly. :/
DrinkDuff

Some of the screenshots are pretty great.

They still have a lot of time before release so hopefully they fix up the framerate and all will be good.

screenshots do not equal gameplay. We have no clue if those were bullshots or shots taken out of the engine while running at 2 frames a second. All I know is that shot, while nice, does not represent the game in its current state shown by the trailer.
DrinkDuff

bullshot? When has R* ever given you a bullshot?

The game clearly is rough around the edges right now, and the screenshots demonstrate that as well. R* has nothing to hide, and they'll make sure the game is of high quality when it releases.

[QUOTE="-DOT-"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Guys, you forget: GTA is more open world than other 'open world' games you have listed. Oblivion? There's like what, five NPCs running around the whole town? Mass Effect? With it's "pseudo-characters" that do nothing but breathe and make the place look pretty? Alan Wake? It's got....one guy in the entire world? On the contrary, GTA has about twenty individuals walking down one side of an average street -- that's not to mention the other side of the street and the cars in between. There is a hell of a lot going on, and not many sandbox games come this close to detail, if any.FrozenLiquid

Man, so many people missing out on the 360's lineup. (I'm looking at you the-very-best.) The game lineup doesn't interest you because you don't have any experience with them, where as, you are quite accustomed to Sony's catalog of games. It's the familiarity that appeals to you. I know this because experience it too. I hesitate to consider a PS3 because I don't have a huge desire to play games and/or franchises I have never experienced on a console I have never owned. But I remind myself, that these games are good even if I have that inate desire to play them. Because, well people wouldn't enjoy them if they weren't any good, and expanding one's spectrum of choices can only benefit oneself in the end.

You've been waiting to get a PS3 and yet you've been all this time without trying any next-gen game? You owe it to yourself to try something. What have you been discussing on SW this whole time? Others experiences? What good is that? It's yours that counts.

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]screenshots do not equal gameplay. We have no clue if those were bullshots or shots taken out of the engine while running at 2 frames a second. All I know is that shot, while nice, does not represent the game in its current state shown by the trailer.
fuzzysquash

bullshot? When has R* ever given you a bullshot?

The game clearly is rough around the edges right now, and the screenshots demonstrate that as well. R* has nothing to hide, and they'll make sure the game is of high quality when it releases.

I just want people to see the video at 00:27 seconds when his cosin says "soon,even you will forget about the old country", look how much the car is detailed, pause the video and see.

The game look wonderful, theworld is big, what do you expect it to be? it has weather and time changing, alot of cars, alot of npcs, can enter most builldings, there ia radio stations full of songs, don't forget the AI for everything, it is something bigger than Assassins Creed.

EDIT: don't forget to see the explosion at 01:19.

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]screenshots do not equal gameplay. We have no clue if those were bullshots or shots taken out of the engine while running at 2 frames a second. All I know is that shot, while nice, does not represent the game in its current state shown by the trailer.
the-very-best

I think they're purposely holding off gameplay footage as it's probably where Rockstar shook up the formula the most. I personally thought the trailer was very impressive, but the framerate needs to be fixed before release.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]screenshots do not equal gameplay. We have no clue if those were bullshots or shots taken out of the engine while running at 2 frames a second. All I know is that shot, while nice, does not represent the game in its current state shown by the trailer.
DrinkDuff

bullshot? When has R* ever given you a bullshot?

The game clearly is rough around the edges right now, and the screenshots demonstrate that as well. R* has nothing to hide, and they'll make sure the game is of high quality when it releases.

It was released in the same batch as the other screenshots that people were saying looked bad. That's the way screenshots are--some look better, some look worse.

But in motion, games generally look better than screenshots.

Man, so many people missing out on the 360's lineup. (I'm looking at you the-very-best.) The game lineup doesn't interest you because you don't have any experience with them, where as, you are quite accustomed to Sony's catalog of games. It's the familiarity that appeals to you. I know this because experience it too. I hesitate to consider a PS3 because I don't have a huge desire to play games and/or franchises I have never experienced on a console I have never owned. But I remind myself, that these games are good even if I have that inate desire to play them. Because, well people wouldn't enjoy them if they weren't any good, and expanding one's spectrum of choices can only benefit oneself in the end.

You've been waiting to get a PS3 and yet you've been all this time without trying any next-gen game? You owe it to yourself to try something. What have you been discussing on SW this whole time? Others experiences? What good is that? It's yours that counts.

DrinkDuff

Well, you shouldn't just assume things.

I never said I don't play 360 regularly (how do you think I know so much about Halo, Gears and Bioshock?)...I said I don't own one. 360 and Wii are the only next gen consoles I've played since a few of my friends own them, and I play the 360 a lot. I've yet to even touch a PS3.

And the game lineup does interest me, just nowhere near as much as I'm interested in the PS3 lineup. I would like to own Halo, Alan Wake, Banjo and Forza but that's basically it. I'm not interested in Bioshock after playing it, and watching people playing it for ages. I don't care about Too Human or Mass Effect. Gears is OK but I'm not buying it when I buy a 360. On the other hand, there's lots of titles I know I'm gonna love for the PS3.

Different gaming tastes. :o

I hope there are significant gamepaly changes, because at it stands, it really needs to deliver in that department if it can't deliver graphically. Anyway, we shall see what happens when the time comes. I have no doubt that GTA is capable of better graphics, but whether or not it can realize its potential graphically is all up to the hardware and how much work on optimization Rockstar is willing to put into the game. The story looks be pretty good, I'm not worried about that.
DrinkDuff

GTA has never been about the graphics and it always delivers an extraordinary experience. I trust Rockstar when they say that the leap from GTA:SA to GTAIV is gonna be huge. They've yet to fail to deliver in my view. In fact, they've constantly exceeded my expectations and I've been expecting big things from each entry considering GTA is my favourite series of all time.

is it just me or does gta4 , graphics wise look very ugly?

the charctor models are ugly and the faces are terrible

the faces look almost ps2.

yes i understand gameplay >>>> graphics

which confuses me cus people usually hype games due to graphics (like they did to lair )

so people like graphics, do people really like teh graphics for this game?

scottiescott238

No gta game had "awesome" graphics when it came out. Still gta is about scale and gameplay first, as long as the graphics are fine (like in gta4) the game will be great.

ok you got me there

new example

assassins creed?

care to complain now?

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"]I hope there are significant gamepaly changes, because at it stands, it really needs to deliver in that department if it can't deliver graphically. Anyway, we shall see what happens when the time comes. I have no doubt that GTA is capable of better graphics, but whether or not it can realize its potential graphically is all up to the hardware and how much work on optimization Rockstar is willing to put into the game. The story looks be pretty good, I'm not worried about that.

the-very-best

GTA has never been about the graphics and it always delivers an extraordinary experience. I trust Rockstar when they say that the leap from GTA:SA to GTAIV is gonna be huge. They've yet to fail to deliver in my view. In fact, they've constantly exceeded my expectations and I've been expecting big things from each entry considering GTA is my favourite series of all time.

I really do hope that the leap from GTA SA to GTA IV is going to be "huge." One thing I couldn't stand is playing Saint's Row and then right after that putting in SA and seeing how terrible it looked comparatively. Sure, it can be argued that the gameplay in GTA: SA was loads better (although I really do like Saint's Row), the graphics just looked terrible when played after Saint's Row. Still, I'll take a graphics hit if GTA IV can run at a consistent frame rate... Saint's Row started to crawl basically any time there was an explosion.

Guys, you forget: GTA is more open world than other 'open world' games you have listed. Oblivion? There's like what, five NPCs running around the whole town? Mass Effect? With it's "pseudo-characters" that do nothing but breathe and make the place look pretty? Alan Wake? It's got....one guy in the entire world? On the contrary, GTA has about twenty individuals walking down one side of an average street -- that's not to mention the other side of the street and the cars in between. There is a hell of a lot going on, and not many sandbox games come this close to detail, if any.FrozenLiquid

what about crackdown, dead rising, saints row and errrrrrr lair all those games have tons of stuff going on

billion topics on this. but:

1 gta was NEVER a pretty game.

2 it looks really good for a free roaming game.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Guys, you forget: GTA is more open world than other 'open world' games you have listed. Oblivion? There's like what, five NPCs running around the whole town? Mass Effect? With it's "pseudo-characters" that do nothing but breathe and make the place look pretty? Alan Wake? It's got....one guy in the entire world? On the contrary, GTA has about twenty individuals walking down one side of an average street -- that's not to mention the other side of the street and the cars in between. There is a hell of a lot going on, and not many sandbox games come this close to detail, if any.d_40

what about crackdown, dead rising, saints row and errrrrrr lair all those games have tons of stuff going on

GTA 4 looks alot better than Saints row my friend... And Crackdown was cel shaded.. Dead Rising you were restricted to a Mall..

they might have to have graphics like that is the game world is huge....

i'd rather have big ares with lower quality graphics than great graphics and small areas...especialy when this game is set where it is..

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Guys, you forget: GTA is more open world than other 'open world' games you have listed. Oblivion? There's like what, five NPCs running around the whole town? Mass Effect? With it's "pseudo-characters" that do nothing but breathe and make the place look pretty? Alan Wake? It's got....one guy in the entire world? On the contrary, GTA has about twenty individuals walking down one side of an average street -- that's not to mention the other side of the street and the cars in between. There is a hell of a lot going on, and not many sandbox games come this close to detail, if any.d_40

what about crackdown, dead rising, saints row and errrrrrr lair all those games have tons of stuff going on

Those games have no where near the level of an expanisve world that Grand Theft Auto IV.

billion topics on this. but:

1 gta was NEVER a pretty game.

2 it looks really good for a free roaming game.

Always-Honest

GTA4 looks ugly artistically as well, with its browns and greys, which was san andreas' problem as well. It seems rockstar wants to take the series "grittier"

side note: weirdthat no pc version was announced. I suspect that will change, but if it doesn't that would be quite the coup