GTR evolution 1up review (AAA)

possiblly another AAA exclusive for the PC, and this time a racer....its also the succesor to an AAAE for the PC...

there is also another review from a finish site, which is also AAA.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3169826&p=1

How do they keep making these games when they don't sell?insanejedi

they do sell....the US isnt the center of the world...these games are popular in Europe where they have a large audience.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]How do they keep making these games when they don't sell?cobrax75

they do sell....the US isnt the center of the world...these games are popular in Europe where they have a large audience.

But it's been listed twice as the greatest game no one ever played.

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[QUOTE="insanejedi"]How do they keep making these games when they don't sell?insanejedi

they do sell....the US isnt the center of the world...these games are popular in Europe where they have a large audience.

But it's been listed twice as the greatest game no one ever played.

by GS, an American based site.

Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.Jamex1987

and the damage control comences.

Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.Jamex1987

In your opinion. And it is my opinion that your opinion is entirelly misguided.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]How do they keep making these games when they don't sell?cobrax75

they do sell....the US isnt the center of the world...these games are popular in Europe where they have a large audience.

But it's been listed twice as the greatest game no one ever played.

by GS, an American based site.

GS is international, they got a UK and an Aussie base too, for a while there was Desslock who was the Canadian corrospondant.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]How do they keep making these games when they don't sell?insanejedi

they do sell....the US isnt the center of the world...these games are popular in Europe where they have a large audience.

But it's been listed twice as the greatest game no one ever played.

by GS, an American based site.

GS is international, they got a US and an Aussie base too, for a while there was Desslock who was the Canadian corrospondant.

no, they are not international...they are based in california...I have no idea why you would think they are.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.organic_machine

In your opinion. And it is my opinion that your opinion is entirelly misguided.

Are trying to say this game is popular? It has its fans who like hardcore racing games. it's not a casual game so not popular. Even the gamefaq board is empty.

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[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.Jamex1987

In your opinion. And it is my opinion that your opinion is entirelly misguided.

Are trying to say this game is popular? It has its fans who like hardcore racing games. it's not a casual game so not popular. Even the gamefaq board is empty.

Its popular in Europe...not here....

yes thats right, the US is not the center of the world...I know its shocking.

no, they are not international...they are based in california...I have no idea why you would think they are.cobrax75

But there ARE UK and Australian sides with their own staff.

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[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.Jamex1987

In your opinion. And it is my opinion that your opinion is entirelly misguided.

Are trying to say this game is popular? It has its fans who like hardcore racing games. it's not a casual game so not popular. Even the gamefaq board is empty.

For a racing sim it is pretty popular. And really.. why would anyone post on Gamefaqs? The sim community has it's own sites and forums. GTR might not be a hugely popular game, but it is pretty popular, brings good sales to Simbin and enjoys a pretty active community. Altough it is suffering from the simple fact that for MP rFactor (which uses the same engine) is simply a lot better

Um it's a racing simulation. A pure simulation. I sometimes don't think simulations really count as conventional video games. It's another one of those titles that hermits can list but don't really play. Like FSX. They'll play for a few hours then leave it to the pilots-in-training to fill the multiplayer void and the rest of the sales lol.

I've always been interested in the title, but I find racing simulations boring. They're challenging like in real life, sure, but half the fun of racing in real life (or at least going really fast) is the risk factor, be it legal or safety-wise. That fear doesn't occur in racing simulation, which I need. I love cars, but in order to feel smug out of a video game based on cars, I can't just put a real life translation onto a LCD monitor. There's something so cool about drag racing at traffic lights, but you need NFS Underground to feel just as badass.

I personally prefer the PGR series myself to get the baditude racing fix, though I might try my hand at GTR 2. Only thing is it's real racing cars, not street cars. Hopefully there's a mod to fix that.

. I sometimes don't think simulations really count as conventional video games.

FrozenLiquid

With racing sims... well iRacing is coming and it's pure simulation and I'm sure it will make every other racing sim look like arcade, but I think I will stick to rFactor

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

. I sometimes don't think simulations really count as conventional video games.

AdrianWerner

With racing sims... well iRacing is coming and it's pure simulation and I'm sure it will make every other racing sim look like arcade, but I think I will stick to rFactor

I said conventional video games. Since they cater to a small crowd, the idea is that they're only for hardcore gamers. The thing is, simulations aren't hardcore gaming, they just fill a niche.

So I really don't know where to place them.

I said conventional video games. Since they cater to a small crowd, the idea is that they're only for hardcore gamers. The thing is, simulations aren't hardcore gaming, they just fill a niche.

So I really don't know where to place them.

FrozenLiquid

I don't think "hardcore" and "niche" are mutualy exclusive. And where to place them? You've placed them already pretty well in "niche genre"AdrianWerner

They aren't mutually exclusive, I just said it's not hardcore gaming. But that's another argument altogether.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]I don't think "hardcore" and "niche" are mutualy exclusive. And where to place them? You've placed them already pretty well in "niche genre"FrozenLiquid

They aren't mutually exclusive, I just said it's not hardcore gaming. But that's another argument altogether.

It's not hardcore gaming? How come? If this isn't hardcore gaming then hardcore gaming doesn't exist at all.AdrianWerner

Take for example, Flight Simulator.

My friend plays it every chance he gets. He does all sorts of scenarios on freeflight by himself, and when he's not doing that, he's on multiplayer, being ATC. He loves playing it, and he needs to anyway, because he's becoming a pilot.

Is he a gamer? No, not at all. In fact, he despises games. But he owns each and every copy of Flight Sim, and I think some other ones like Combat Flight Sim and whatever else someone cared to make.

My question to you is, how the hell can it be a hardcore game, if such a simulation doesn't necessarily cater to the hardcore crowd? To be a hardcore gamer is, by definition, to really indulge in the challenges of a video game. The problem with defining a 'hardcore' challenge lies in the fact that people errorneously judge the level of realism as a factor in making a hardcore game.

If we go by that idea, then the Fight Night titles are way more hardcore than Street Fighter 3: The Third Strike. Fight Night is the closest we've got to a realistic martial arts video game, but Street Fighter is 2D combat with super powers. Fight Night takes into account more factors in fighting than Street Fighter could ever hope to achieve (one of them being spatial awareness), and yet everyone knows Fight Night is more casual than Street Fighter.

Another thing is that people correlate niche to hardcore. That's not necessarily true. I have Euro Truck Simulator (yes, I do, and it's fun). Is that a hardcore game? :roll:. Street Fighter, once again, was incredibly popular for its time. In fact, it was the most popular game in the early 90s. It was hardcore. The Unreal Tournament series is pretty popular, and it's one of the most hardcore shooters out there.

So no, hardcore gaming doesn't applie to all games in the realistic simulation genre. You will probably enjoy it if you have a fetish for official racing, flying planes, or driving trucks. When you have millions of gamers that devote their time to video games (even professionally), and that don't touch these niche games, then there is a problem with calling them hardcore games.

That's odd.... Simbin hitting on all the finer points of SIM racing...They have and will always be the definitive source of True SIM racing...

Along with GTR...RacePRO will consume most if not all of my free time this winter..I am a huge FM2 fan...and I know RacePRO will completely destroy FM2...and make GT5P look even more like an outdated joke of a SIM..

My question to you is, how the hell can it be a hardcore game, if such a simulation doesn't necessarily cater to the hardcore crowd? FrozenLiquid

Using this logic there are no hardcore games at all.

Fight Night takes into account more factors in fighting than Street Fighter could ever hope to achieve (one of them being spatial awareness), and yet everyone knows Fight Night is more casual than Street Fighter.FrozenLiquid

Wrong analogy. Because SF is considered more hardcore because it's harder to learn and takes more time and effort to get good, which is exactly what simulators also do.

So no, hardcore gaming doesn't applie to all games in the realistic simulation genre. You will probably enjoy it if you have a fetish for official racing, flying planes, or driving trucks. When you have millions of gamers that devote their time to video games (even professionally), and that don't touch these niche games, then there is a problem with calling them hardcore games.

FrozenLiquid

You're making a mistake by assuming hardcore gamesr is some kind of closed group which every member is exactly like the others. Just because somebody is a hardcore fighting games fan doesn't mean he will also enjoy hardcore shumps. Does this mean that there are no hardcore fighting games and shumpps

Hardcore gamers are like all the other gamers, the difference is that while normal gamer for example likes mostly RTSes or shooters, hardcore one does the same, he just puts hardcore ammount of dedication into those genres. And among each genre there are games that catter more to those hardcore gamers, having enough depth/complexity to let that hardcore gamer be satisfied.

Again i have to laugh at the drivel spouting from the insecure consolites here on SW.

A PC game, a racing game gets a great score and they try every argument possible to de bunk it. ROFL.

Really, does it bother you that much that PC actually has some great racing games? Can't imagine ehat you'd all be like if PC got a great fighting or platformer exclusive lol.

How do they keep making these games when they don't sell?insanejedi

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.cobrax75

and the damage control comences.

Enjoy your little racer. Meanwhile console gamers have already had PGR 3 and Forza 2, with GT 5 and Forza 3 coming up.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.V_Isle

and the damage control comences.

Enjoy your little racer. Meanwhile console gamers have already had PGR 3 and Forza 2, with GT 5 and Forza 3 coming up.

And really..so far this gen it's PC that dominates racing genre, not any console. It will likely change in the future, but for now PC is dominant racing platform this gen

[QUOTE="V_Isle"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.AdrianWerner

and the damage control comences.

Enjoy your little racer. Meanwhile console gamers have already had PGR 3 and Forza 2, with GT 5 and Forza 3 coming up.

Nice to know GTR can be fantastic on other platforms.

Best racing sim out there.

destroys Forza and GT in the simulator and authenticity department

Yeah....I'm just gonna have to go ahead and uh, disagree with you there? :lol:

V_Isle

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Yeah....I'm just gonna have to go ahead and uh, disagree with you there? :lol:

AdrianWerner

I will take it one further and say ..Racing Sims in general..

If anyone has actually played FM2..GT5P and GTR2/Race 07..you would NEVER bundle the three together....There is nothing on a console that even remotely touches a computer SIM..

The only games I play on my computer are racing SIMS..and the reason for that is because nothing on a console can touch them..FM2 is by and large the closest thing at the moment....I am expecting RacePRO (360 exclusive)...that is developed by SimBIN to close the gap a bit....

Don't get me started on GT5P....GT5P is the tool of the SIM community.... Nobody takes it serious....Because the game is a joke.... It is with all intensive proposes an arcade racer and until Poly revamps it's model it will stay that way..

I didn't think that a Racing game would be that great on the PC but if they can make them great for the PC thats good newsfabz_95

The biggest issue I think would be controls. But then again, all you need is a steering wheel controller and you'd be set!:D

But there ARE UK and Australian sides with their own staff.

BZSIN

UK = United Kingdom = England,Scotland,Wales,Ireland

:::::EUROPE::::: =

Aland,Albania,Andorra,Austria,Armenia,Azerbaijan,Belarus,Belgium,Bosnia and Herzegovina,Bulgaria,Croatia,Cyprus,Czech Republic,Denmark,Estonia,Faroe Islands,Finland,France,Georgia,Germany,Gibraltar,Greece,Guersney,Hungary,Iceland,Ireland,Isle of Man,Italy,Jersey,Kazahstan,Kosovo,Latvia,Liechenstein,Lithuania,Luxembourg,Macedonia,Malta,Moldova,Monaco,Montenegro,Netherlands,Norway,

Poland,Portugal,Romania,Russia,San Marino,Serbia,Slovakia,Slovenia,Spain,Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands,Sweden,Switzerland,Turkey,Ukraine,United Kingdom,Vatican City

I didn't think that a Racing game would be that great on the PC but if they can make them great for the PC thats good newsfabz_95

And why is that? we have keyboard+ mouse,gamepads,joysticks,DRIVING WHEELS etc.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="V_Isle"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]Too bad not many care about this game. It's probably the most non-fun racing game ever.V_Isle

and the damage control comences.

Enjoy your little racer. Meanwhile console gamers have already had PGR 3 and Forza 2, with GT 5 and Forza 3 coming up.

[QUOTE="fabz_95"]I didn't think that a Racing game would be that great on the PC but if they can make them great for the PC thats good newsorganic_machine

The biggest issue I think would be controls. But then again, all you need is a steering wheel controller and you'd be set!:D

Why do PC racers pale in comparison to Console racer graphics all the time?Cedmln

Cool though RacePro and Forza 3 should do me just dandy.SecretPolice

It will be interesting what Turn 10 and Simbin can do...

Giving how successful FM2 online community is/was..It will be fun to see what direction they are going to go on improvements....It is disappointing that not one damn word has been said about the game

Simbins pedigree speaks for itself and I think will completely change how console players look at SIM's

Why do PC racers pale in comparison to Console racer graphics all the time?Cedmln

Because racing is not about graphics???

Racing = feel of road,different cars that actualy FEEL like real cars,awesome tracks etc.

But anyway, GRID on pc > grid on consoles (graphics vise) same is with dirt and other racing games.

Why do PC racers pale in comparison to Console racer graphics all the time?Cedmln

You could just as well as how is it that console racers pale in comparision to PC ones' physics all the time

Um it's a racing simulation. A pure simulation. I sometimes don't think simulations really count as conventional video games. It's another one of those titles that hermits can list but don't really play. Like FSX. They'll play for a few hours then leave it to the pilots-in-training to fill the multiplayer void and the rest of the sales lol.

I've always been interested in the title, but I find racing simulations boring. They're challenging like in real life, sure, but half the fun of racing in real life (or at least going really fast) is the risk factor, be it legal or safety-wise. That fear doesn't occur in racing simulation, which I need. I love cars, but in order to feel smug out of a video game based on cars, I can't just put a real life translation onto a LCD monitor. There's something so cool about drag racing at traffic lights, but you need NFS Underground to feel just as badass.

I personally prefer the PGR series myself to get the baditude racing fix, though I might try my hand at GTR 2. Only thing is it's real racing cars, not street cars. Hopefully there's a mod to fix that.

FrozenLiquid

For a more casual racing fan like me, I just plug in my 360 controller and jump in some random online race, lots of fun, just because the cars control a bit more realistically than in NFS doesn't make it any lesser game. Tho a wheel is recommendable and there is that hardcore community there for those that want.

Personally I love the real racing cars, F3000s have great handling and sense of speed, and since it's at least imo, based around online, real racing cars and series instead of street cars is the way to go imo.

Why do PC racers pale in comparison to Console racer graphics all the time?Cedmln

I believe that when a developer like Simbin starts a project their number one priority is to replicate physics,..accuracy of the track..damage models..etc......While I believe grafx are important they clearly take a distant 2nd place... Core gameplay mechanics are by and large the most important aspect of a SIM....The immersion comes from the accuracy of those gameplay mechanics....At the end of the day when you are focused on your line and the task at hand...grafx don't matter all that much..

Don't get me wrong the game has to look good...but when you focuses more on grafx and less on game play you get GT5P...

Why do PC racers pale in comparison to Console racer graphics all the time?Cedmln

I will tell you why. GTR is the same game over and over with very minor updates. It's not a new game made from scratch with updated graphics. That way the development cost is next to nothing so the few that buy it will result in a profit.

GTR evolution is basically the same as GTR 2 with very minor updates.