Guerrilla: 'We can get more out of the PS3 in future projects'

in a new part of the interview with Guerrilla Games about Killzone 2 on the Dutch website GameKings, Guerrilla talks about the graphical aspects of the game. Guerrilla talks about how their engine works and what they can do better in the future.

http://n4g.com/ps3/News-258018.aspx

Some highlights from the article:

• Defert Render Engine
• Filmische effecten
  Hollywood movie ****/em>
• Motion Blur per pixel
• CPU, SPU belasting (ze gebruiken de PS3 niet voor 100%)
  (They don't use 100% of the PlayStation 3 his power)
• In plaats van op de GPU laten ze de SPU heel veel grafische dingen berekenen. Zoals Physics, Lights en Rendering. Verder gaat het geluid ook via de SPU en dit is 7.1 comressed sound.
  (In state of the GPU they use the SPU to do some graphical things like: Physics, Lights and rendering)
• Hit-responds system: (Elke kogel die je afvuurt neemt een andere animatie met zich mee).
  'Every bullit fire's takes a other animation with him'
• Audio effecten zijn erg goed. Als iemand achter een muur staat, en hij gaat praten, dan hoor je dat het anders klinkt dan wanneer iemand zonder objecten om zich heen praat. Audio is helemaal surround, 7.1 compressed sound.
• Meer dan 230 lampen in een 'vieuw' (beeld).
  (More than 230 lights into one screen)
• Lights of the Helgast eye's reflects with walls.
  (Lichten van de Helgast ogen reflecteren of zijn te zien op de muren).
• De Engine (technologie) is ontwikkeld tijdens het maken van het spel. De Engine is dus tijdens de ontwikkeling van Killzone 2, doorontwikkeld.
  (The Engine of the game is being developed when they were working on Killzone 2).
• Guerrilla zegt: 'We kunnen nog veel meer uit de engine (en uit de PlayStation 3) halen dan we nu al hebben gedaan. En dit zal ook zeker in toekomstige projecten gebeuren'.
  (Guerrilla say's: 'We can get more out of the PlayStation 3 then we did with Killzone 2. And this will happend in future Guerilla projects').

I remember seeing a pic of a dead helghast, with the light of his eyes reflecting off a wall, i was like DAM thats awesome....GG are really taking this game to the next level for consoles, from ligthing/animations/effects/atmostphere, etc.

And FFS Sony, advertise the **** out of this game. Times running out.

I remember seeing a pic of a dead helghast, with the light of his eyes reflecting off a wall, i was like DAM thats awesome....GG are really taking this game to the next level for consoles, from ligthing/animations/effects/atmostphere, etc. Eyezonmii

Ya know what i really find funny, if they aren't using 100% of the systems power, why don;t they use the surpless to render the game in 1080p? ya know, 1920x1080 pixels not upscaled 720p. Also why dont they get the games running at 60fps? not the usual 30? Also why don't they up the AF and AA levels a litte or increase the texture resolution?

Console devs are so funny lol.

Ya know what i really find funny, if they aren't using 100% of the systems power, why don;t they use the surpless to render the game in 1080p? ya know, 1920x1080 pixels not upscaled 720p. Also why dont they get the games running at 60fps? not the usual 30? Also why don't they up the AF and AA levels a litte or increase the texture resolution?

Console devs are so funny lol.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Ya know what i really find funny, if they aren't using 100% of the systems power, why don;t they use the surpless to render the game in 1080p? ya know, 1920x1080 pixels not upscaled 720p. Also why dont they get the games running at 60fps? not the usual 30? Also why don't they up the AF and AA levels a litte or increase the texture resolution?

Console devs are so funny lol.

Lto_thaG

lol, is that what you really believe? im no expert but im pretty sure resolution isn't a big technical issue to achieve, rather the hardware simply wont do it and remain playable.

Its like all this gears crap, 2 looks better than 1, no argument. This isn;t so much that the devs used more of the xbox power, its more they optimized and improved the game engine. I bet gears 2 used about as much power as gears 1 did.

Ya know what i really find funny, if they aren't using 100% of the systems power, why don;t they use the surpless to render the game in 1080p? ya know, 1920x1080 pixels not upscaled 720p. Also why dont they get the games running at 60fps? not the usual 30? Also why don't they up the AF and AA levels a litte or increase the texture resolution?

Console devs are so funny lol.

Frozzik

It only took them 5 years to make KZ2, I guess 2014 will be a good year for the PS3 thenmuffin200

It only took them 5 years to make KZ2, I guess 2014 will be a good year for the PS3 thenmuffin200

[QUOTE="muffin200"]It only took them 5 years to make KZ2, I guess 2014 will be a good year for the PS3 thenEyezonmii

they forgot 'We can get more out of the PS3 in future projects'






"as long as sony keeps tossing the amount of money they did to us for killzone 2..."TheWiikestLink

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="muffin200"]It only took them 5 years to make KZ2, I guess 2014 will be a good year for the PS3 thenFloppy_Jim

Im sure they can, though is it going to take them another 5 years to do it?-DrRobotnik-

Ya know, as a PS3 owner it kinda gets to me you guys are ok with getting ripped off. You swallow all this crap from devs about power and graphics etc etc, fact is PS3 is doing stuff i saw last gen on PC.If a true multiplat dev came out, one making a game on all systems and spoke of PS3 amazing power i'd shut up. Fact is they are not, infact they are doing the opposite. Killzone looks great, animations are some of the best i have seen. Other parts, most of it infact make me laugh though. Texture res, draw distance, the blur lol. I could go on. They cheat the eye into thinking its seeing great graphics when technically they are pretty ordinary.

If this game can match 1920x1080, 4xAA and 8xAF with 60 fps i'll say PS3 is the powerhouse its said to be.

All you diluded PS3 fanboys flame away, im sick of your crap tbh. I live in the real world and know what i see on my PS3.

I could be wrong but Killzone 2 runs on EDGE tools which will be available to all 16 of Sonys in house game developers. But not third party devs. So we should be seeing Killzone 2 quality graphics as standard soon enough on PS3. I expect stuff like God Of War 3 to piss all over anything ever seen on PC or home consoles though. Killzone 2 is just the start of a new era.

And don't mention Crysis, I think Killzone 2 is far better looking and is 100% better optimised than that piece of crap.

Nick_75

[QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Ya know, as a PS3 owner it kinda gets to me you guys are ok with getting ripped off. You swallow all this crap from devs about power and graphics etc etc, fact is PS3 is doing stuff i saw last gen on PC.If a true multiplat dev came out, one making a game on all systems and spoke of PS3 amazing power i'd shut up. Fact is they are not, infact they are doing the opposite. Killzone looks great, animations are some of the best i have seen. Other parts, most of it infact make me laugh though. Texture res, draw distance, the blur lol. I could go on. They cheat the eye into thinking its seeing great graphics when technically they are pretty ordinary.

If this game can match 1920x1080, 4xAA and 8xAF with 60 fps i'll say PS3 is the powerhouse its said to be.

All you diluded PS3 fanboys flame away, im sick of your crap tbh. I live in the real world and know what i see on my PS3.

Eyezonmii

hmm, maybe i missjudged the purpose of this thread. With all the threads ranting on about PS3's untouched super powers that beat ever pc card/cpu on the market lately its understandable.

Look, let me say this, the devs of Killzone have done a great job, KZ2 will be the best looking game on PS3. I'm not disputing that. Just sick and tired of moronic console fans thinking Ps3 is a super computer. I game, im not a fanboy, i play wii, PS3 and PC, i would buy a 360 tomorrow if my wife would let me.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Im sure they can, though is it going to take them another 5 years to do it?Eyezonmii

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Ya know, as a PS3 owner it kinda gets to me you guys are ok with getting ripped off. You swallow all this crap from devs about power and graphics etc etc, fact is PS3 is doing stuff i saw last gen on PC.If a true multiplat dev came out, one making a game on all systems and spoke of PS3 amazing power i'd shut up. Fact is they are not, infact they are doing the opposite. Killzone looks great, animations are some of the best i have seen. Other parts, most of it infact make me laugh though. Texture res, draw distance, the blur lol. I could go on. They cheat the eye into thinking its seeing great graphics when technically they are pretty ordinary.

If this game can match 1920x1080, 4xAA and 8xAF with 60 fps i'll say PS3 is the powerhouse its said to be.

All you diluded PS3 fanboys flame away, im sick of your crap tbh. I live in the real world and know what i see on my PS3.

Frozzik

hmm, maybe i missjudged the purpose of this thread. With all the threads ranting on about PS3's untouched super powers that beat ever pc card/cpu on the market lately its understandable.

Look, let me say this, the devs of Killzone have done a great job, KZ2 will be the best looking game on PS3. I'm not disputing that. Just sick and tired of moronic console fans thinking Ps3 is a super computer. I game, im not a fanboy, i play wii, PS3 and PC, i would buy a 360 tomorrow if my wife would let me.

[QUOTE="Frozzik"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"] GTFO, these are consoles, not machines that can get updated every month...they are fixed. But for a console game it is DAM impressive, hell you have some claiming it looks better than crysis, thanks to the art design and lighting/animations that give it a unique look. NO DUH, it won't be anything like the top PC titles...common sense. But killzone 2 sets its own ground and sticks out. as for ripped off? you know whats being ripped off? Buying a PC and upgrading constantly, having to optimise, worry about virus's faults and compatibility issues. ALL that ***** for an expensive PC, that isn't primary for games. you PC guys go through all that for extra graphics that isn't worth it. Eyezonmii

hmm, maybe i missjudged the purpose of this thread. With all the threads ranting on about PS3's untouched super powers that beat ever pc card/cpu on the market lately its understandable.

Look, let me say this, the devs of Killzone have done a great job, KZ2 will be the best looking game on PS3. I'm not disputing that. Just sick and tired of moronic console fans thinking Ps3 is a super computer. I game, im not a fanboy, i play wii, PS3 and PC, i would buy a 360 tomorrow if my wife would let me.

Im not a great fan of crysis graphics from a taste point of view, its technically amazing and jaw dropping though. If i was to list the top 5 graphical games i have seen this gen crysis may not even make it. I do apreciate artistic style too. Just ask me what i think of Valkyria Chronicles, looks simply stunning.

Ya know, as a PS3 owner it kinda gets to me you guys are ok with getting ripped off. You swallow all this crap from devs about power and graphics etc etc, fact is PS3 is doing stuff i saw last gen on PC.If a true multiplat dev came out, one making a game on all systems and spoke of PS3 amazing power i'd shut up. Fact is they are not, infact they are doing the opposite. Killzone looks great, animations are some of the best i have seen. Other parts, most of it infact make me laugh though. Texture res, draw distance, the blur lol. I could go on. They cheat the eye into thinking its seeing great graphics when technically they are pretty ordinary.

If this game can match 1920x1080, 4xAA and 8xAF with 60 fps i'll say PS3 is the powerhouse its said to be.

All you diluded PS3 fanboys flame away, im sick of your crap tbh. I live in the real world and know what i see on my PS3.

Frozzik

The PS3 had really better have a 10+ year life cycle if you expect to wait for Guerilla to make another game for it.Shafftehr

For someone with a Planescape: Torment sig and avi you sure made an ignorant post. Spending 4+ years on developing engine + game is common but once you have the engine finished you don't have to spend so much time in development and can use the extra time to get the most out of the engine. See what Epic did with Gears of War 2 for future reference.

really the only thing limiting them is money. i believe it took 12 million (correct me if i'm wrong) to make kz2. thats alot of money i must say lol but i look forward to their future games, hopefully we could get a preqeul to kz1 and have a helguast(sp) campaign.cobragt4

[QUOTE="cobragt4"]really the only thing limiting them is money. i believe it took 12 million (correct me if i'm wrong) to make kz2. thats alot of money i must say lol but i look forward to their future games, hopefully we could get a preqeul to kz1 and have a helguast(sp) campaign.kweeni

yes they can get more out of ps3 same with 360 it's just dev experience/evolved code.

It only took them 5 years to make KZ2, I guess 2014 will be a good year for the PS3 thenmuffin200

umm speak english motha ****amuhaahahahahah

Ya know what i really find funny, if they aren't using 100% of the systems power, why don;t they use the surpless to render the game in 1080p? ya know, 1920x1080 pixels not upscaled 720p. Also why dont they get the games running at 60fps? not the usual 30? Also why don't they up the AF and AA levels a litte or increase the texture resolution?

Console devs are so funny lol.

Frozzik

I dont' think that's how it works. At this point, they are probably running the game as effeciently as possible with all the system resources. Over time, and towards the far end of the PS3's lifecycle, devs will be able to more effeciently use the system.

EDIT: Excuse me, "even more effeciently use the system" :P

Let's see if they can pull it off.Lto_thaG

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"][QUOTE="Frozzik"]

Ya know what i really find funny, if they aren't using 100% of the systems power, why don;t they use the surpless to render the game in 1080p? ya know, 1920x1080 pixels not upscaled 720p. Also why dont they get the games running at 60fps? not the usual 30? Also why don't they up the AF and AA levels a litte or increase the texture resolution?

Console devs are so funny lol.

Frozzik

lol, is that what you really believe? im no expert but im pretty sure resolution isn't a big technical issue to achieve, rather the hardware simply wont do it and remain playable.

Its like all this gears crap, 2 looks better than 1, no argument. This isn;t so much that the devs used more of the xbox power, its more they optimized and improved the game engine. I bet gears 2 used about as much power as gears 1 did.

Um yes money and time is an issue. If they had unlimited budget and an unlimited amount of time they could make the game look better. Deadlines and budget factor into a game man.