Half Life story vs Halo story (spoilers abound)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

FrozenLiquid

Children of Men , Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T.

I agree partially.

In a direct comparison like Half Life versus Halo. Then its just the main story of those set games.

But if we are also talking full on, like the universe. Halos destroys the Half Life universe.

The novels and the overall Marathon universe it is built on, its almost not even close.

To be fair Half Life is only a videogame and its not set in another game's universe like Halo is.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

aliblabla2007

How many moderations did you receive to be 2 levels below me but possess almost 6 times my post count and a join date of 2-3 months earlier?

I've got about 15.

Now if you actually have less than me (I don't really think you're the type of guy to attract moderations considering what I've seen of your posts) then something is seriously weird at GS.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

blizzardmist88

Children of Men , Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

FrozenLiquid

How many moderations did you receive to be 2 levels below me but possess almost 6 times my post count and a join date of 2-3 months earlier?

I've got about 15.

Now if you actually have less than me (I don't really think you're the type of guy to attract moderations considering what I've seen of your posts) then something is seriously weird at GS.

Well your posts are normally well thought out and I have never seen you trolling. Probably all the off-topic talking does it. Or fanboys.

At least moderations for my VS debates were fair. I must have been pretty thick-headed not to realise until very recently that I should put them somewhere else for fear of annoying the mods and posters. Put them in PC games dicussion and I still annoyed a lot of posters. I decided "Bah, not on GS" so I went elsewhere. Yes, I'm a bit of a nerd.

My moderation rate has gone down since then, and it wasn't a particularly puny decrease either.

BTW, who's the girl in your sig?

[QUOTE="chutup"]

Lore doesn't mean jack unless you're a lore nerd. Good storytelling, immersion and believable characters are far more important.

musicalmac

There's nothing wrong with it, but it's kind of a niche thing. Most people are not interested in poring through documentation to learn stuff that, while potentially interesting, isn't often very pertinent to the central storyline. The average gamer is never going to read any of that Halo lore, they're just going to see what happens in the game.

And part of what I like about Half-Life's story is that it doesn't need reams of writing to create the idea of a real world. Instead, they use small references that imply much larger things. For example, in HL2, Dr. Breen only needs to speak a single line to tell us everything we need to know about the suppression field (which the Combine use to stop humans from breeding, in case you didn't know.)

[QUOTE="blizzardmist88"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

FrozenLiquid

Children of Men , Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T.

Meh i usually agree with you on the movies, but nope NEver liked Aliens. Heck im never a fan, nothing has changed that.

EVER. I have seen them all and nope i couldnt like them. Ive liked more chick flicks than ive liked Alien Films.

SO maybe its just personal bias. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="blizzardmist88"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Movies: Invasion of the Body Snatchers (sure, it's an adaptation, but the remakes are only loosely adapted to the books. I'm talking mostly about the 1978 remake) 2001: A Space Odyssey Terminator 1 and 2. The Matrix Oh, and let's not forget the mother of all science fiction franchises. The Alien franchise.jg4xchamp

Children of Men , Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T.

I think you guys need to narrow your klassification of 'sci-fi' a bit. Specifically, there is no way that you can tell me that Donnie Darko and Jurassic Park are sci-fi. If they are, then you might as well include Persona on the games' side.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]I agree partially.

In a direct comparison like Half Life versus Halo. Then its just the main story of those set games.

But if we are also talking full on, like the universe. Halos destroys the Half Life universe.

The novels and the overall Marathon universe it is built on, its almost not even close.

To be fair Half Life is only a videogame and its not set in another game's universe like Halo is.musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="chutup"]

Lore doesn't mean jack unless you're a lore nerd. Good storytelling, immersion and believable characters are far more important.

chutup

There's nothing wrong with it, but it's kind of a niche thing. Most people are not interested in poring through documentation to learn stuff that, while potentially interesting, isn't often very pertinent to the central storyline. The average gamer is never going to read any of that Halo lore, they're just going to see what happens in the game.

And part of what I like about Half-Life's story is that it doesn't need reams of writing to create the idea of a real world. Instead, they use small references that imply much larger things. For example, in HL2, Dr. Breen only needs to speak a single line to tell us everything we need to know about the suppression field (which the Combine use to stop humans from breeding, in case you didn't know.)

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="blizzardmist88"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Movies: Invasion of the Body Snatchers (sure, it's an adaptation, but the remakes are only loosely adapted to the books. I'm talking mostly about the 1978 remake) 2001: A Space Odyssey Terminator 1 and 2. The Matrix Oh, and let's not forget the mother of all science fiction franchises. The Alien franchise.chutup

Children of Men , Star Wars, Jurassic Park, E.T.

I think you guys need to narrow your klassification of 'sci-fi' a bit. Specifically, there is no way that you can tell me that Donnie Darko and Jurassic Park are sci-fi. If they are, then you might as well include Persona on the games' side.

IF we are talking just story telling and just specifically these games than it should just be the Halo portion versus Half Life.

I mean Rocky 5 still sucks, even if Rocky 1, 2, 3 and yes even 4 were great movies and explain 5 a little.

Matrix 2 and 3 still suck utter nuts even if Matrix 1 was greatness.

See what i mean, there can always be a hick up.

Halo 1 wasnt a hick up, Halo 2 and 3 were missed opportunities IMO. THey deserved better because the story had the potential to be something special that could have justly given Halo the crown for king of shooters.

now its only there because of sales.jg4xchamp

I didn't realize Halo had a story. I thought you just were just killing big gorillas and midgets because a 12 year old girl asked you to and occasionaly a generic black man assists you in some way.

But seriously,Halo has one of the worst plots ever told in a shooter,and Half-Life has one of the best. No competition here.

Also,someone above said Half-Life is bad because it doesn't answer questions. Isn't that the whole point? To keep you guessing? Let you come up with your own theories as to whats going on? An incentive to keep playing?

In Halo it's just: This guy is bad. I'm you're friend. You're goign to kill him and this is why. That's it. The TC said Halo is full of twists and turns. Are you on pot? Halohas the most straightforward,paper-thin plot in any shooter I've played.

stephant_6

You obviously do not even know the story of Halo, so why argue?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]IF we are talking just story telling and just specifically these games than it should just be the Halo portion versus Half Life.

I mean Rocky 5 still sucks, even if Rocky 1, 2, 3 and yes even 4 were great movies and explain 5 a little.

Matrix 2 and 3 still suck utter nuts even if Matrix 1 was greatness.

See what i mean, there can always be a hick up.

Halo 1 wasnt a hick up, Halo 2 and 3 were missed opportunities IMO. THey deserved better because the story had the potential to be something special that could have justly given Halo the crown for king of shooters.

now its only there because of sales.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]IF we are talking just story telling and just specifically these games than it should just be the Halo portion versus Half Life.

I mean Rocky 5 still sucks, even if Rocky 1, 2, 3 and yes even 4 were great movies and explain 5 a little.

Matrix 2 and 3 still suck utter nuts even if Matrix 1 was greatness.

See what i mean, there can always be a hick up.

Halo 1 wasnt a hick up, Halo 2 and 3 were missed opportunities IMO. THey deserved better because the story had the potential to be something special that could have justly given Halo the crown for king of shooters.

now its only there because of sales.FrozenLiquid

How can a movie fan not like Rocky.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]How can a movie fan not like Rocky.FrozenLiquid

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]How can a movie fan not like Rocky.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

jg4xchamp

wow...sumone just called Alien corny...... I dont even know how to reposnd to that....

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Both are amazing. People don't like Halo's for some odd reason, but I really think that it is one of the first great sci-fi story of this century. Half-Life would also be the same.

Half-Life and Halo both have just increadable stories that no movie has passed yet (I don't read sci-fi novels, I am sure those are 100x better like they always are).

II_Seraphim_II

wow...sumone just called Alien corny...... I dont even know how to reposnd to that....

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]How can a movie fan not like Rocky.FrozenLiquid

I just realised how OT this thread has become.chutup

I just realised how OT this thread has become.chutup

[QUOTE="chutup"]

Lore doesn't mean jack unless you're a lore nerd. Good storytelling, immersion and believable characters are far more important.

musicalmac

It's a non-issue because we're comparing the stories of two games. It's not exactly fair to say Halo has a better story because when you read the 4 novels (or however many there are) in the series it really clears things up. Sure the backing story is fairly decent but it really is not presented in the game.

Also it's hard to comment on what the hell is really going on in the Half-life world right now because we're just now getting into what is going on past the surface.

Half-Life's story is 100X > Halo's2scoopsofempty

The story of the first one is : get out , rescue Eli Vance , Dr. Moss was working with the combine and thats it.

The first ending of Halo 3 made me loose my breath .

It's indeed comparing the bible (Halo) to a comic book (HL2)

PS : I played both games and I love them .

PPS: Mass Effect and Lost Oddyssey have better stories !!!

Half Life as an entirity.

Also, I actually didn't mind the HL2 ending.

It wasn't the best, but how did you all think it was going to end?

[QUOTE="2scoopsofempty"]Half-Life's story is 100X > Halo'sturgore

The story of the first one is : get out , rescue Eli Vance , Dr. Moss was working with the combine and thats it.

The first ending of Halo 3 made me loose my breath .

It's indeed comparing the bible (Halo) to a comic book (HL2)

PS : I played both games and I love them .

PPS: Mass Effect and Lost Oddyssey have better stories !!!

I think both games have fantastic stories.

Half Life, and the constant first person deal is just awesome.

Combine half life with its episodes and WOOOO! I am so looking forward to number 3, i was so annoyed when it ended it was getting mega epic.

Altough i like half-life more, i enjoyed halo's story more and that was just because of the charachters. In halo the main char(mater cheif) actually.....Speaks!(gasp) Yes the master chief has more personality and you learn more from him, but with gordon freeman you actully....see his Face!(gasp again) and he is more immersive as you csee everything through his eyes and your reactions are his reactions.Basically half-life is beter paced and way more immersive than halo, while halo has better charachters(but nothing can beat the G-MAN!) and universe.

Half-life is better as it has acheived an unimaginable level of innovation in storytelling(reflected in games as Metroid Prime), level design(reflected in games as Far Cry and halo)and pacing(in games such as Doom 3 and S.T.A.L.K.E.R) and without it, there would be no Halo or Crysis. It is the father of all mordern FPS games and deserves special notice fo innovation and bringing FPS games to the forefront of action gaming.

[QUOTE="2scoopsofempty"]Half-Life's story is 100X > Halo'sturgore

The story of the first one is : get out , rescue Eli Vance , Dr. Moss was working with the combine and thats it.

The first ending of Halo 3 made me loose my breath .

It's indeed comparing the bible (Halo) to a comic book (HL2)

PS : I played both games and I love them .

PPS: Mass Effect and Lost Oddyssey have better stories !!!

that is the story of the second half life.

And you need to play more than just one part of the story to compare stories.