Halo 3 is going to flop hard.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

-Ramirez-

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

shsonline

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

Wait, Halo 3's already released?  When did this happen?  I can't believe gameplay impressions are being released already! 

[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

-Ramirez-

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

-Ramirez-

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

shsonline

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

I love this review about Halo2.Its so nice to se a reviewer with a brain.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=449253

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

shsonline

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

-Ramirez-

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

As an FPS, MP would suck. Lock on just about takes away everything that makes the FPS genre what it is, skillful aiming. MP does not require more skill to play than Halo, and yes, I have played through it to the very end. And here you go with the double standards. If you think Halo 2's slight auto aim is noobish, then what the hell is MP's total lock on? you press a button and you're locked on to your target. That's it. All you have to do is shoot. In Halo 2 at least you have to manually aim before the auto aim takes effect.

And in your opinion, it is generations ahead. Yes I've played MP, as I stated before. It was awesome. I'm not disputing that. But generations ahead? No. And yes, it does have a definitive genre. FPA. It might not be well known, but it is still a definitive genre. And since when does a game not having a definitive genre make it advanced? :?

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

The_Game21x

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

As an FPS, MP would suck. Lock on just about takes away everything that makes the FPS genre what it is, skillful aiming. MP does not require more skill to play than Halo, and yes, I have played through it to the very end. And here you go with the double standards. If you think Halo 2's slight auto aim is noobish, then what the hell is MP's total lock on? you press a button and you're locked on to your target. That's it. All you have to do is shoot. In Halo 2 at least you have to manually aim before the auto aim takes effect.

And in your opinion, it is generations ahead. Yes I've played MP, as I stated before. It was awesome. I'm not disputing that. But generations ahead? No. And yes, it does have a definitive genre. FPA. It might not be well known, but it is still a definitive genre. And since when does a game not having a definitive genre make it advanced? :?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

-Ramirez-

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

As an FPS, MP would suck. Lock on just about takes away everything that makes the FPS genre what it is, skillful aiming. MP does not require more skill to play than Halo, and yes, I have played through it to the very end. And here you go with the double standards. If you think Halo 2's slight auto aim is noobish, then what the hell is MP's total lock on? you press a button and you're locked on to your target. That's it. All you have to do is shoot. In Halo 2 at least you have to manually aim before the auto aim takes effect.

And in your opinion, it is generations ahead. Yes I've played MP, as I stated before. It was awesome. I'm not disputing that. But generations ahead? No. And yes, it does have a definitive genre. FPA. It might not be well known, but it is still a definitive genre. And since when does a game not having a definitive genre make it advanced? :?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="DrPepper1998"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"]Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

-Ramirez-

First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

shsonline

Kiddo? Please, I'm probably a lot older than you, judging from the maturity of your posts.

And the point I was making (which you obviously didn't get) was that you shouldn't compare MP to an FPS, in this case, Halo 3, because it isn't in the same genre. Get it now?

As an adventure game, it is awesome, but generations ahead? last gen you could've made that claim, but not this gen. And those are not facts. You can say they are all you wish, but they aren't. They're your personal opinions. :wink:

As an FPS, MP would suck. Lock on just about takes away everything that makes the FPS genre what it is, skillful aiming. MP does not require more skill to play than Halo, and yes, I have played through it to the very end. And here you go with the double standards. If you think Halo 2's slight auto aim is noobish, then what the hell is MP's total lock on? you press a button and you're locked on to your target. That's it. All you have to do is shoot. In Halo 2 at least you have to manually aim before the auto aim takes effect.

And in your opinion, it is generations ahead. Yes I've played MP, as I stated before. It was awesome. I'm not disputing that. But generations ahead? No. And yes, it does have a definitive genre. FPA. It might not be well known, but it is still a definitive genre. And since when does a game not having a definitive genre make it advanced? :?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

As an FPS, MP would suck. Lock on just about takes away everything that makes the FPS genre what it is, skillful aiming. MP does not require more skill to play than Halo, and yes, I have played through it to the very end. And here you go with the double standards. If you think Halo 2's slight auto aim is noobish, then what the hell is MP's total lock on? you press a button and you're locked on to your target. That's it. All you have to do is shoot. In Halo 2 at least you have to manually aim before the auto aim takes effect.

And in your opinion, it is generations ahead. Yes I've played MP, as I stated before. It was awesome. I'm not disputing that. But generations ahead? No. And yes, it does have a definitive genre. FPA. It might not be well known, but it is still a definitive genre. And since when does a game not having a definitive genre make it advanced? :?

-Ramirez-

Halo's auto aim is nowhere near as bad as MP's lock on. :| You can't just press a button to lock on to someone in Halo.

Yes Halo does require strategy. So in the FPS department, Halo > MP. By a lot. But that's just as an FPS. As games themselves I'd rate them just about equal. MP has the better single player expereince, but Halo's multiplayer is so good, it balances it out.

I have played and finished MP. I played the hell out of it and enjoyed every minute of it. Don't make me own you. :|

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"]Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

Eddie5vs1

  It's just that Halo is a mindless run and gun without any strategy whatsoever. No strategy at all means it sucks. Period.
-Ramirez-

You do realise that every game in existence has a strategy?

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

As an FPS, MP would suck. Lock on just about takes away everything that makes the FPS genre what it is, skillful aiming. MP does not require more skill to play than Halo, and yes, I have played through it to the very end. And here you go with the double standards. If you think Halo 2's slight auto aim is noobish, then what the hell is MP's total lock on? you press a button and you're locked on to your target. That's it. All you have to do is shoot. In Halo 2 at least you have to manually aim before the auto aim takes effect.

And in your opinion, it is generations ahead. Yes I've played MP, as I stated before. It was awesome. I'm not disputing that. But generations ahead? No. And yes, it does have a definitive genre. FPA. It might not be well known, but it is still a definitive genre. And since when does a game not having a definitive genre make it advanced? :?

The_Game21x

Halo's auto aim is nowhere near as bad as MP's lock on. :| You can't just press a button to lock on to someone in Halo.

Yes Halo does require strategy. So in the FPS department, Halo > MP. By a lot. But that's just as an FPS. As games themselves I'd rate them just about equal. MP has the better single player expereince, but Halo's multiplayer is so good, it balances it out.

I have played and finished MP. I played the hell out of it and enjoyed every minute of it. Don't make me own you. :|

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
-Ramirez-

Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
-Ramirez-

3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
-Ramirez-

4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
-Ramirez-

5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.
-Ramirez-

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="DrPepper1998"][QUOTE="-Ramirez-"]Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

dsmccracken

First off, MP isn't an FPS. It's an FPA (First person Adventure)

Second, as an FPS, it's gameplay would be generations behind. The lock-on would kill it as a full on FPS and is the reason why MP2's multiplayer sucked.

Don't worry about him. I can see right through him and his ploys. I can see he's just trying to get a rise out of me by calling me a kid so he can turn around report me but I'm not going to let that happen.

Anyone can insult you over the internet, but I doubt they'd be able to say it to your face which is how I view Ramirez.

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"] It's just that Halo is a mindless run and gun without any strategy whatsoever. No strategy at all means it sucks. Period.
Mass_Effect

You do realise that every game in existence has a strategy?

So I've destroyed everyone's arguements now, can we all just agree Halo 3 will flop hard and get high AA at best?
-Ramirez-

So you're not saying its going to flop as hard as Killzone did?

Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

-Ramirez-

Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

-Ramirez-

Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

-Ramirez-

Yeah people are really getting tired of it.  That is why it had the most played online games until gears came out, even though it has been out for over 3 years.  Also did you know that it was still the most played game on xbox live after the 360 came out. 

Halo 3 will get high AA maximum. Why?

1. Because Halo 2 shouldn't have gotten AAA but GS fell for the hype. GS has learnt from their mistakes and won't let brand name and hype affect their scores again.
2. Halo 2 was saved by online multiplayer. Now Halo 3 has nothing big enough to save it like Halo 2 did.
3. The visuals look slightly better than Halo 2.
4. The game is essentially a rehash of Halo 2 with more brutes.
5. Halo gameplay is getting old and boring now. The same predictable gameplay isn't AAA worthy.

Halo 3 won't get AAA, high AA at best. You heard it here first kids.

-Ramirez-

1. gamespots not the only site to have given it AAA

2.fanboy speculation

3.read the weekly updates, the screens arent finished product. last two updates theyve talked about how the vegetation moves when you touch it and how u leave tracks in the snow.

4.see # 2

5. whoa, theres alot of speculation with no evidence in ur post TC.

So I've destroyed everyone's arguements now, can we all just agree Halo 3 will flop hard and get high AA at best?
-Ramirez-

Yeh and so what, everyone will still buy it and MS will still make their profit. Everyone loses.zsc4

Sounds like everyone wins but Sony.  We get Halo 3.  Microsoft gets money.  Sony gets nothing.  Sounds great to me.

So I've destroyed everyone's arguements now, can we all just agree Halo 3 will flop hard and get high AA at best?
-Ramirez-

Destroyed everyone's arguments???  You give yourself too much credit.  All you really did in this thread was make yourself look bad.  You come up with a bunch of pointless & unproven points to back your fanboy statements, then try & bait people into flaming you by using low-brow insults & then you act like you've accomplished something???  Try again.

And then you won't even man up & take my bet.  So I'll say again, since you are so sure that Halo3 will flop, agree to leave the forums forever if it scores AAA here at GS.  At least put your $ where your mouth is.  Again, since you're so sure about what you're saying, you should have no problems taking this bet.

So please put the following in your signature so that everyone can see that you're willing to back up your statements;

If Halo 3 scores AAA at Gamespot,  I will never post again under the username Ramirez & accept total ownage.

Do this, or lose all cred on this forum.

Anyone can insult you over the internet, but I doubt they'd be able to say it to your face which is how I view Ramirez.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="cobrax80"]

[QUOTE="Gears360"]Fact: HALO 3 is absolutely 100% guaranteed AAAOhhSnap50893

thats what they said about twilight princess, don't jump the gun on gamespot reviews.

What do you mean  get to AAA.  The Halo games have always been AAA.   SO why do you think this one will not be.  I am not talking about your opinion.   If a games gets a good rieview from every site, Mag, etc. and is the most played on Xbox live.  then it is triple AAA you might not like it  that is fine. That is an opinion.  The sales figures games played  and those kinds of things are facts.

So is anyone going to put up a proper, unbiased arguement that isn't full of flames and fanboyish claims? My post was very unbiased and honest, that's the least I'd expect from a counter arguement, yet apart from the ones I've destroyed, no other arguements put a dent in my one.-Ramirez-

u can pray all u want remirez. it wont flop and you know it.

on launch day all the gamers across console will be enjoying a great game. and youll be here all by urself posting "halo sucks" threads.

u can pray all u want remirez. it wont flop and you know it.

on launch day all the gamers across console will be enjoying a great game. and youll be here all by urself posting "halo sucks" threads.

OpticalCanine

If gears of war was all hype, why did it win GOTY? :|DrinkDuff

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Halo's auto aim is nowhere near as bad as MP's lock on. :| You can't just press a button to lock on to someone in Halo.

Yes Halo does require strategy. So in the FPS department, Halo > MP. By a lot. But that's just as an FPS. As games themselves I'd rate them just about equal. MP has the better single player expereince, but Halo's multiplayer is so good, it balances it out.

I have played and finished MP. I played the hell out of it and enjoyed every minute of it. Don't make me own you. :|

-Ramirez-

Sorry it took me so long (had to find my camera), but here you go.

Sorry the second pic is blurry, but you get the point. :wink:

I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest of your post, as it's clear you're to blind to be reasoned with.

[QUOTE="-Ramirez-"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Halo's auto aim is nowhere near as bad as MP's lock on. :| You can't just press a button to lock on to someone in Halo.

Yes Halo does require strategy. So in the FPS department, Halo > MP. By a lot. But that's just as an FPS. As games themselves I'd rate them just about equal. MP has the better single player expereince, but Halo's multiplayer is so good, it balances it out.

I have played and finished MP. I played the hell out of it and enjoyed every minute of it. Don't make me own you. :|

The_Game21x

Sorry it took me so long (had to find my camera), but here you go.

Fact: Halo 3 will be THE MOST overrated game of 2007......no, no in the history of video games.
Halo 3 will be the most hated game come 2008.
Halo 3 = PS3 in flopageness
Halo 2 sucks too

Halo 1 was ok

Fact: Halo 3 will be THE MOST overrated game of 2007......no, no in the history of video games.
Halo 3 will be the most hated game come 2008.
Halo 3 = PS3 in flopageness
Halo 2 sucks too

Halo 1 was ok

Sonicplys