Halo 3 vs. GOW3 vs. Ninja Gaiden 2 vs. MGS4 etc. Worst next gen leap?

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#1 CB4McGusto
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Whoever came up with the expression "If it ain't broke don't fix it" can eat a fat............... I want innovation and I want my $60 worth($10 more than what I paid for your last installment into the series). With these series they start to show their age with next gen technology and I don't know if it's lazy devs who know the consumer will buy there product no matter what crap they release or what.

Halo 3 = Halo 2 with new multiplayer maps and vaseline

GOW3 = GOW2 with a few new attacks, weapons and baby oil

Ninja Gaiden 2 = NG with more gore, blood and new weapons, nothing more

MGS4 = MGS3 with more cutscenes and better wall textures

GTA4 = GTA3 with better physics and a cover system. How the hell do you take all the features that made Vice City and San Andreas so fun and leave it out of your next gen counterpart? Your supposed to add to the already solid formula not take away from it. Lazy devs didn't even set a new location for the game.

Anyways pick which next gen installment took a major poop on the series.

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#2 Vesica_Prime
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Sorry to say this again but I predict there will be **** flung at all directions in this thread.

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#3 stygiansanity
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GOW3 isn't out yet, so it shouldn't be on the list. GTA4 changed most signifcantly from the previous gen, whereas MGS and Halo have stuck with what they are good at (MGS:long cut-scenes and great gameplay. Halo: Great co-op and MP) but of the two, Halo probably is the closest to last gen of the 3. Haven't played NG2, so can't say.
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#5 hot114
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Did the TC forget about DMC?

DMC4 was by far the worsed downgrade from DMC3

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#6 2mrw
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the TC has pretty high standards, he/she wants a reset in every sequel !!!!!!!!!!

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#7 PAL360
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Ninja Gaiden 2 to me.

You obviously never played Halo3. Its easly one of the best games this gen

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#8 Kurdish-Gamer
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GOWIII isn't even out, I would go with NG2 even though I played NGSII on my PS3 which is supposed to be a better version than NG2, it still sucked
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#9 GulliversTravel
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Ninja Gaiden 2 easily, it stripped out all the adventure goodness, and the graphics were a joke.
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#10 killerfist
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Baby oil? Anyway, I have to go with NG2. The gameplay is still excellent, but it suffers from technical issues and a lame story.
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#11 rogerjak
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You lost me at Movie Gear Solid 4 and baby oil.

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#13 DivineSword  Moderator
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Definitely Ninja Gaiden 2 for me, the leap in quality of the games was sort diminish with the next generation leap for me. What made the first so great is still present in Ninja Gaiden 2 but the rest just didn't lived up to the game expectation. The graphic was one of the strong point for Ninja Gaiden, but we see little improvement in Ninja Gaiden 2 especially with the game surrounding. The artificial intelligent is also cheap this time around.

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#14 enterawesome
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I guess Ninja Gaiden, the rest were huge leaps both visualy and gameplay wise.

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#15 deactivated-59d151f079814
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God of War 3 any day.. From what I have seen and played of the demo its EXACTLY like the first two with polished new graphics.. Furthermore I am some what surprised that Halo 3 is that high up.. Sure its graphics arn't as amazing, but the numerous next gen features for multiplayer was amazing.. Like being able to play with 4 people, using 4 different xbl accounts online against others..
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#16 enterawesome
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God of War 3 any day.. From what I have seen and played of the demo its EXACTLY like the first two with polished new graphics.. Furthermore I am some what surprised that Halo 3 is that high up.. Sure its graphics arn't as amazing, but the numerous next gen features for multiplayer was amazing.. Like being able to play with 4 people, using 4 different xbl accounts online against others.. sSubZerOo
I agree. Fanboys are just pissy they don't have it, who have never played it outside "their friend's house".
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#17 locopatho
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Halo 3 is amazing. GTA4 is the biggest disappointment for me.
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#18 BioShockOwnz
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Of course the 360 exclusive is "winning" the poll. Predictable.

Anyways, I voted NG2 since it's the only correct answer.

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#19 cainetao11
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They all improve on the last gen installment imo. I am not high maintenance. But some are, even guys, it seems.
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#20 SilverChimera
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mgs4? really? They added a lot of things (FINALLY! They fixed the shooting!)
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#21 SilverChimera
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Of course the 360 exclusive is "winning" the poll. Predictable.

Anyways, I voted NG2 since it's the only correct answer.

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Same.
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#22 SilverChimera
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Ninja Gaiden 2 to me.

You obviously never played Halo3. Its easly one of the best games this gen

PAL360
Well he never said it wasn't. He just said it was a bad leap from Halo 2, which it kind of was. Whatever... at least they stuck to a working formula :)
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#23 hot114
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Still missing DMC4 on that list

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#24 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 to me.

You obviously never played Halo3. Its easly one of the best games this gen

Well he never said it wasn't. He just said it was a bad leap from Halo 2, which it kind of was. Whatever... at least they stuck to a working formula :)

Tons of new multiplayer customoization options, more community features, new weapons and vehicles, map editing, theater, and an epic campaign. How is this not a huge leap?
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 to me.

You obviously never played Halo3. Its easly one of the best games this gen

Well he never said it wasn't. He just said it was a bad leap from Halo 2, which it kind of was. Whatever... at least they stuck to a working formula :)

Tons of new multiplayer customoization options, more community features, new weapons and vehicles, map editing, theater, and an epic campaign. How is this not a huge leap?

Gameplay is still pretty similar to Halo 2 with less dual wielding necessary. But whatever... it works well. I'm still not sure how the others aren't huge leaps :? Except Ninja Gaiden, IMO all of them are big leaps forward.
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#26 Heartagram_03
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I dunno why but the GOW3 in baby oil made me lolz. I'd say Halo 3 was one of the worst next gen leaps imo, nothing new on the campaign and the multiplayer was horrible compared to Halo 2 through my experience.

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#27 pis3rch
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MGS$ and Halo 3 shouldn't be on the list. I never played GOW3 but i say its ninja gaiden 2 because they basically just sold us a beta for NG2 sigma on PS3. I'm still royally pissed off about the lack of quality and polish in that game, especially when compared to the perfection of NG1.
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#28 deactivated-59da85d821feb
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Of course the 360 exclusive is "winning" the poll. Predictable.

Anyways, I voted NG2 since it's the only correct answer.

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It's so predictable of System Wars, isn't it? I completely agree with it being Ninja Gaiden 2.
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#29 GulliversTravel
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MGS$ and Halo 3 shouldn't be on the list. I never played GOW3 but i say its ninja gaiden 2 because they basically just sold us a beta for NG2 sigma on PS3. I'm still royally pissed off about the lack of quality and polish in that game, especially when compared to the perfection of NG1. pis3rch
I dont quite get MGS4 either, it felt completely different to the older games, just retained the storytelling.
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#30 SamGv
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Halo 3 is a pathetic excuse for a third installment and personally I don't see why Bungie was allowed to continue making games after Halo 2. The campaign is completely uninspiring. Voice acting was good though.

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#31 TheLordHimself
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My pick would be Ninja Gaiden 2 because it felt like a step backwards for the series. Ninja Gaiden: Black was more fun, had great graphics for its time and had bigger differences between the difficulty settings.

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#32 SilverChimera
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Halo is a pathetic excuse for a third installment and personally I don't see why Bungie was allowed to continue making games after Halo 2. The campaign is completely uninspiring. Voice acting was good though.

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gee, I don't know. OH YEAH it sold millions! That might have had a small influence on Microsoft's part in allowing Bungie to make Halo 3. Just taking a guess.
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#33 Doctor-McNinja
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To be fair to Halo 3, it had some of the best textures and lighting this gen. It's just a shame their engine couldn't handle doing all that + AA. The jaggies are what ruined it. So many people unfairly say it has bad graphics when it just doesn't at all. There are no short-cuts at all, unlike games like MW2 which have very bland textures in places and cheap backgrounds rather than proper skyboxes. How many games let you pause and fly around the whole level, looking at everything as close up as you want? That's a testament to just how detailed Halo 3 was. You could even fly the camera up to the covenant dropships in the air and look around inside.
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Halo 3 is a pathetic excuse for a third installment and personally I don't see why Bungie was allowed to continue making games after Halo 2. The campaign is completely uninspiring. Voice acting was good though.

SamGv
Exaggeration much. I know people like to hate on Halo but 'bungie should not be allowed to continue making games' - come on. :roll:
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#35 nervmeister
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RE5 wins.
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#36 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 to me.

You obviously never played Halo3. Its easly one of the best games this gen

SilverChimera

Well he never said it wasn't. He just said it was a bad leap from Halo 2, which it kind of was. Whatever... at least they stuck to a working formula :)

Yeah, its gameplay is the same working formula still it has received good improvements every new sequel. Graphics wise i think Halo3 is one of the most underhyped games this gen. The game actually looks great and for some reason here on sw everyone claims it looks like crap :?

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#37 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] Well he never said it wasn't. He just said it was a bad leap from Halo 2, which it kind of was. Whatever... at least they stuck to a working formula :)SilverChimera
Tons of new multiplayer customoization options, more community features, new weapons and vehicles, map editing, theater, and an epic campaign. How is this not a huge leap?

Gameplay is still pretty similar to Halo 2 with less dual wielding necessary. But whatever... it works well. I'm still not sure how the others aren't huge leaps :? Except Ninja Gaiden, IMO all of them are big leaps forward.

They're a lot of big new additions. Gameplay wise, well, what did you expect? A complete re-invention that made Halo an RPG?
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#38 enterawesome
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Halo 3 is a pathetic excuse for a third installment and personally I don't see why Bungie was allowed to continue making games after Halo 2. The campaign is completely uninspiring. Voice acting was good though.

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FAIL. "The campaign is completely uninspiring." What the hell is that supposed to mean? You didn't feel "inspired" to become an artist or something?
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#39 -Tretiak
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Halo 3. Didn't feel like much of a step up from the previous entry.

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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]Tons of new multiplayer customoization options, more community features, new weapons and vehicles, map editing, theater, and an epic campaign. How is this not a huge leap?enterawesome
Gameplay is still pretty similar to Halo 2 with less dual wielding necessary. But whatever... it works well. I'm still not sure how the others aren't huge leaps :? Except Ninja Gaiden, IMO all of them are big leaps forward.

They're a lot of big new additions. Gameplay wise, well, what did you expect? A complete re-invention that made Halo an RPG?

That's why I said I don't mind it being the similar :)
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#41 dark-warmachine
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This is a contest of which game was more of the same. Tough choice, It's between Halo 3, and God of War 3 as being the most similar to their prequel. In fact, a lot of sequels this gen were more of the same, hence, I find it stupid when one complains about a game being more of the same. Killzone 2 is pretty much the only game I can think of as not being more of the same. It's prequel was complete garbage.

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#42 cainetao11
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Halo 3 is a pathetic excuse for a third installment and personally I don't see why Bungie was allowed to continue making games after Halo 2. The campaign is completely uninspiring. Voice acting was good though.

SamGv
They were "allowed to continue" making games because it is a business, and this gen no exclusive has made a company as much profit as Halo 3. Your entitled to your opinion, of course. But the thriving fanbase of that series screams your in the minority. I personally liked Halo 3, not as much as CE, or ODST, but it was fun for me anyway.
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#43 stereointegrity
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Of course the 360 exclusive is "winning" the poll. Predictable.

Anyways, I voted NG2 since it's the only correct answer.

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oh no another conspiracy.....NG2 for me
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] Gameplay is still pretty similar to Halo 2 with less dual wielding necessary. But whatever... it works well. I'm still not sure how the others aren't huge leaps :? Except Ninja Gaiden, IMO all of them are big leaps forward. SilverChimera
They're a lot of big new additions. Gameplay wise, well, what did you expect? A complete re-invention that made Halo an RPG?

That's why I said I don't mind it being the similar :)

Yeah the whole innovation thing is lost on me when discussing sequels. Do gamers really expect devs to break away from what made their first entry a hit? And how different can one make an FPS? Why are all the "innovators" posting in SW and not making new and exciting games?
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#45 W1NGMAN-
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MGS4 scored a 10 :| ... it shouldn't even be listed.

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#46 -Tretiak
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MGS4 scored a 10 :| ... it shouldn't even be listed.

W1NGMAN-

Yeah, really doesn't make any sense. :?

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#47 rolo107
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[QUOTE="stygiansanity"]GOW3 isn't out yet, so it shouldn't be on the list. GTA4 changed most signifcantly from the previous gen, whereas MGS and Halo have stuck with what they are good at (MGS:long cut-scenes and great gameplay. Halo: Great co-op and MP) but of the two, Halo probably is the closest to last gen of the 3. Haven't played NG2, so can't say.

I was thinking the same, but if you look at the features of the game and not the graphics a lot could not have been done this gen. I picked Ninja Gaiden 2.
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#48 Sonicplys
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All of them. Halo 1 and 2 are better than Halo 3 in even the MP, Ninja Gaiden was the best game on the Xbox 1 and then 360 kill it with that horrid NG 2, MGS 3 is the best MGS game since the Playstation 1 masterpiece and MG4 was a waste of time as in not even close. RE4 better than RE5, R&C PS2 better than R&C PS3, and the future wont be any different: GOW 1 and 2 > GOW 3, FFXII > FFXIII. Only Nintendo got it right with the Wii since TP is better than the boring Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 3 was better than the last two and Super Mario Galaxy is beyond better than Sunshine. So in conclusion: PS2 > PS3, Xbox > Xbox 360, and Wii > Gamecube.

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#49 SparkyProtocol
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Baby oil? Anyway, I have to go with NG2. The gameplay is still excellent, but it suffers from technical issues and a lame story.killerfist
The thought of Kratos getting lathered in baby oil. :lol:
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#50 Odrec
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All Halo games are the same crap. Boring rehash after boring rehash.