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#51 Espada12
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

HL1 had a much bigger impact on the industry. Halo honestly didn't do much but prove there was a demograph for FPS on consoles.

mario_gamer

Halo brought the first truly epic story to first person shooters IMO... The only games that come close IMO are the newer first person shooter RPG's...

Halo's story is far from epic.

It's better than most sadly lol

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#53 thegoldenpoo
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[QUOTE="mario_gamer"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Halo brought the first truly epic story to first person shooters IMO... The only games that come close IMO are the newer first person shooter RPG's...-GeordiLaForge-
Halo's story is far from epic.

In your opinion of course... Halo had the best story to date IMO... by far

Never played Systemshock 2? or Deus Ex?
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#54 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]A bad guess. There are many people who appreciate Half-Life and have been PC gamers since Doom or before.-GeordiLaForge-
Alot of Half Life fans were new to the scene... Most found the game because of Counter Strike. BTW, Duke Nukem 3D mods were more fun IMO. Anyway, Quit trolling!

:lol: Counter-Strike was a free mod for Half-Life, how can you find Half-Life after Counter-Strike when you needed Half-Life to play Counter-Strike?
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#57 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Alot of Half Life fans were new to the scene... Most found the game because of Counter Strike. BTW, Duke Nukem 3D mods were more fun IMO. Anyway, Quit trolling!-GeordiLaForge-
:lol: Counter-Strike was a free mod for Half-Life, how can you find Half-Life after Counter-Strike when you needed Half-Life to play Counter-Strike?

Alot of people heard about their friends playing CounterStrike, and then found out about Half Life. Anyway, why are there so many trolls in this thread? I get it. You think Half Life is the greatest game ever... IMO though, it sucks :|

Oh so you're biased and we get it, you like Halo more than Half-Life, you can stop posting about it now.
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#58 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]A bad guess. There are many people who appreciate Half-Life and have been PC gamers since Doom or before.-GeordiLaForge-
Alot of Half Life fans were new to the scene... Most found the game because of Counter Strike. BTW, Duke Nukem 3D mods were more fun IMO. Anyway, Quit trolling!

Righteyeo. From personal experience I can say you are wrong.
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#59 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="mario_gamer"] Halo's story is far from epic.

In your opinion of course... Halo had the best story to date IMO... by far

Never played Systemshock 2? or Deus Ex?

I have Deus Ex, and the story was indeed excellent. But I still like Halo better...
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#60 skrat_01
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Alot of people heard about their friends playing CounterStrike, and then found out about Half Life. Anyway, why are there so many trolls in this thread? I get it. You think Half Life is the greatest game ever... IMO though, it sucks :|-GeordiLaForge-
Which is why the game made such an impact well over a year before the first beta versions of Counter Strike even emerged? or almost three years before CS begin to make such a visible impact?

If you are going to try and speak out against the game, at least do a good job of it.

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#61 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]A bad guess. There are many people who appreciate Half-Life and have been PC gamers since Doom or before.Brainkiller05
Alot of Half Life fans were new to the scene... Most found the game because of Counter Strike. BTW, Duke Nukem 3D mods were more fun IMO. Anyway, Quit trolling!

:lol: Counter-Strike was a free mod for Half-Life, how can you find Half-Life after Counter-Strike when you needed Half-Life to play Counter-Strike?

To be fair, Counter-Strike's fame could be said to have eclipsed Half-Life's, leading to some people knowing about Counter-Strike, but not about Half-Life, until they found out that one was a mod for the other.
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#62 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]A bad guess. There are many people who appreciate Half-Life and have been PC gamers since Doom or before.skrat_01
Alot of Half Life fans were new to the scene... Most found the game because of Counter Strike. BTW, Duke Nukem 3D mods were more fun IMO. Anyway, Quit trolling!

Righteyeo. From personal experience I can say you are wrong.

From personal experience, I can say that you are wrong. :P
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#63 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Alot of Half Life fans were new to the scene... Most found the game because of Counter Strike. BTW, Duke Nukem 3D mods were more fun IMO. Anyway, Quit trolling!-GeordiLaForge-
Righteyeo. From personal experience I can say you are wrong.

From personal experience, I can say that you are wrong. :P

Even initial sales and critical impact speak otherwise.
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#64 FFVIIROCKS
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Oh yeah it was the basis of what FPS games are today. I mean it was way important to the gaming industry.

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#65 Samox
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Halo. The first HL was actually pretty bland and really not very impressive. HL2 is much better.

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#66 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Righteyeo. From personal experience I can say you are wrong.

From personal experience, I can say that you are wrong. :P

Even initial sales and critical impact speak otherwise.

How does that prove that alot of Half Life players weren't new to 3D accelerated first person shooters? During the days of Doom, only a handful of students in my school had even ever heard of it. About the time PC gaming started gaining popularity, mainly because of 3Dfx cards, Half Life was released...
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#67 RobNBankz
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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Halo CE SP brought much more to the genre

skrat_01

Well actually, it didn't - but if you hate Half Life, fair enough. Opinion on game =/= the games impact or values.

Haha, how ironic.

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#68 Brendissimo35
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Half Life, along with Counterstrike, it's de facto multiplayer, transformed the FPS genre forever.

Halo was just the first halfway decent shooter for the Xbox.

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#69 Renegade_Fury
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Halif-Life was probably more important, but I liked Halo CE a lot more.

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#70 TreyoftheDead
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Anyone who says,"I didn't like Half-Life, so Halo CE is more important."...your opinion is automatically invalidated. It doesn't matter which one you like more, this isn't a populatrity contest, it's a question of which had more of an influence on the way FPS games are today.

And the answer is obviously Half-Life. Like it or not, Halo CE is the way it is because Half-Life existed before it.

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#71 TREAL_Since
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- Damn, such a good question. If you are speaking SP only, then Half-life definitely. The way you progressed through the game and the puzzles and amazing atmosphere.

- But the game as a whole Halo:CE offered more. It helped standardize the design for console shooters.

- Both are my top FPS of all time.

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#72 ShadowedSight
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If the question is "which one impacted gaming more", then I'm saying Half Life.

If the question was "which did you enjoy more", I'd pick Halo Combat Evolved.

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#73 usule
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HALF LIFE!!!! Plain and simple. I like Halo CE and it's the father of modern FPS on consoles (Godeneye would be the grandfather :) ) but Half-life is the tipping point in moder FPS overall... (it brought A.I., good story and realistic physic to FPS genre). And halflife brought counterstrike... Hard to find another FPS that made the genre evolve this much...

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#74 Mr_Nordquist
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[QUOTE="Mr_Nordquist"]

better level design, more tools to use against enemies, etc.

But know what I think beat Halo CE in terms of great FPS? Half Life 2 which I still consider to be the best single player shooter available still.

I think both Half Life and Halo CE shaped the industry together because now BOTH platforms are loaded with FPS games because every dev looks at the success of both, and wants to cash in on it.

skrat_01

I'll be blunt.

No way Halo had better level design - even including Half Life's plain poor Xen sections.
And saying that Silent Cartographer and Assault on the Control Room are some of the my favourite levels in a shooter.
Levels like Blast Pit, in Half Life still remain better than the vast majority of shooter levels nowadays. Which from a design perspective - is damn frighting.

For uni I had a good look through the design structure of shooter level design including the above, and to say the least the creativty and thought process involved for that era isn't like anything else. Still, the Silent Cartographer had an amazing spiral design to its core structure - something else so far ahead of many shooters; and its own sequels.

Anyway options? I dont understand, but tools - I disagree. Halo did have a nice variety of weapons, however i'd again argue Half Life was in front. Things like laser trip mines and Snarks changed the gameplay dynamics quite dramatically - and of course you can factor in environmental assets that you could use (e.g. mounted guns, artillery etc.) Heck the grenades alone - the way the a.i. would suppress, then flush you out with grenades (or even being able to cook grenades)...

I personally thought level design was better in Halo because the levels were larger, so they were filled with a lot of rocks, buildings, trees, etc. Looked nicer imo. While Half Life had "some" somewhat complex areas overall imo the level design for all of Half Life combined was inferior to Halo CE. Being able to explore them in flying vehicles was also a plus. Both shooters are linear, but the huge scale of the levels in Halo made it so you were able to attack enemies from multiple areas rather than just at the end of a hallway or something. I remember spending hours on some areas that were very challenging for me and my brother, and it was incredibly fun with how many different strategies we had to use before we could progress.

Options. I will admit I did forget about Snarks, but Halo had turrets, vehicles, guns, grenades, melee, and within each category you've got plasma weapons that all do various things like slow down vehicles and drop shields, your normal rifles/shotguns/pistols, frag grenades and stickies, and passenger vehicles, and flying vehicles. Basically every weapon changed how you'd play the game, and some weapons, like plasma grenades, would affect the grunts differently than the elites so even just the way you used weapons would change up the entire game. Then throw in co-op. You've just changed the game that much more.

In terms of a game Halo CE topped Half Life. Half Life is great, but Halo CE really did take EVERYTHING about Half Life that was good, and incorporated it. Not to mention Bungie made the controls incredibly good for a controller.

Half Life did shape the industry a lot more especially after mods like CS came out, but since Halo CE came out people have been comparing to Halo, not Half Life. Devs want to be as successful as Bungie with their games.

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#75 jewbjewb420
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Halo's advantage is some fun vehicles. halo combat evolved has multiplayer maps without vehicles if halo was all like that maps no vehicles. halo wouldnt have any advantage over half life deathmatch. half life's deathmatch is overall better gunplay.
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#76 foxhound_fox
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Besides Doom, Half Life was the most important title for the FPS genre.

Halo was one of the least influential for the genre. It did nothing new and only popularized already debuted conventions with the casual mainstream.

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#77 kozzy1234
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Half Life 1 >> halo

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#78 Deadly_Fatalis
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Half Life 1 completely revolutionized FPS to what they are today. There is no comparison, HL is easily one of the most infuential games ever made.
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#79 Deadly_Fatalis
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Half Life 1 completely revolutionized FPS to what they are today. There is no comparison, HL is easily one of the most influential games ever made.
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#80 hahalolllllllll
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I remember when first playing half life 1# back in 1998 well buying it for pc, the thing that impressed me most about the game was the a.i basically on the marine dude's who jumped out of the helicopters when you get to the surface. or the way you could interact /talk with the scientist or whatever made. but the level design in the multiplayer is pure trash compared to quake 1 or quake 2 and the movement never really felt right in half life compared to quake either. quake was more revolutionary though, basically invented internet deathmatch and half life 1 uses the quake 1 engine lol. half life primary and secondary fire is kinda cool, but that was taken from blood .
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#81 Kicker_of_Cans
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I can understand if you like Halo more than HL, but it still doesn't mean that CE was more important. Not by a long shot. It's a fact that HL did more to the FPS genre than Halo ever could do.
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#82 AAllxxjjnn
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Umm, i enjoyed Halo CE more.
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#83 malikmmm
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half-life /thread
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#84 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Halo CE SP brought much more to the genre

RobNBankz

Well actually, it didn't - but if you hate Half Life, fair enough. Opinion on game =/= the games impact or values.

Haha, how ironic.

Where?
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#85 MigElite
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Halo: CE is the best FPS ever made

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#87 foxhound_fox
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Halo: CE is the best FPS ever made

MigElite


If of course its the only one you've ever played.

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#88 Silenthps
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[QUOTE="MigElite"]

Halo: CE is the best FPS ever made

foxhound_fox


If of course its the only one you've ever played.

excuse me but that's just not true! ive played... well... but... hmmm.... yeah now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever played a worse FPS than halo

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#89 JLF1
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Half-Life was a much more important games but Halo was still very important.

I also have it easier to go back and play Halo than HL for some reason. I think the action feels more pure and have a better pacing, much like how I enjoy Quake 1 today much more than Marathon or System Shock 2.

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#90 stepat201
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If Half-Life hadn't been made, Halo:CE wouldn't have been as good as it was.

I'm not saying that alone makes Half-Life better, just putting it out there. But yea Half-Life is much better.

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#91 LookAnDrolL
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Who was first the egg or the chicken
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#92 cainetao11
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]BTW, the poll is not going to be accurate in SW. PS3/Wii fanboys are going to vote against Halo...Silenthps
IMO that'll just make it more accurate.

How if they are voting for half life just to vote down Halo, not because they've actually experienced Half life?
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#93 Slywolf10
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everytime i see Halo CE I think halo collectors edition

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#94 ToScA-
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Halo:CE. both for its SP and MP. My favourite all time FPS, thank you Bungie.

EDIT:

Whoa, failed to read the thread opener, thought it was a poll for "the better game" which is a subjective matter. As for which had more of an impact or was more important to the industry...Half-Life of course, really, there's no room for debate, thread's even redundant seeing as it goes without saying.

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="RobNBankz"]

Well actually, it didn't - but if you hate Half Life, fair enough. Opinion on game =/= the games impact or values.skrat_01

Haha, how ironic.

Where?

That was hilarious!
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#97 onewiththegame
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I prefer the original Halo to the original Half Life. Half Life 2, however....clembo1990

I agree with him

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#98 MigElite
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[QUOTE="MigElite"]

Halo: CE is the best FPS ever made

foxhound_fox


If of course its the only one you've ever played.

Of course it isn't the only one i've ever played

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#99 waynehead895
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I enjoyed Halo far more. But HL has a bigger impact.
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#100 Killer2401
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Oh TC, why did you have to ask such a hard question?

As per topic, your asking which game made a larger impact on the industry. Well, lets break down each game for a look shall we?

Half-Life was the genre's first step into a 'real-world' scenario. The game tried to make it seem as realistic as possible, and not just in graphics. Half-Life was extremely atmospheric, practically sucking you in to it's world. It was the first game to make good use of scripted sequences to tell a story without cut-scenes. With this in mind, look at Bioshock, Call of Duty, and countless other games that use scripts just as well. It changed the way we told stories in video games. Instead of having to plunder information from terminals, walls of text, or far-too-subtle geometry or poor voice acting; Half-Life showed players what they needed to see on a practical, real world basis. It was more like watching a movie than playing a game at times.

Indeed that's one trick Valve employed, making the game seem more like an action film than a game created a true 'entertainment experience', rather than just simple excitement (the same a child feels for a toy). With the ability to tell a great story, Half-Life wrote one of the best in the industry to date. It was truly a revolution for video games, particularly First-Person Shooters.

Halo: Combat Evolved was much different than Half-Life, but still used many of the same techniques. Especially in the first level, scripted sequences were used to convey the chaos and destruction of the Pillar of Autumn. Further on, the Flood became a great plot twist and the well thought out level that introduced them added to the feeling of terror when fighting them.

What Halo did better than any other game though, was to perfect the 'Sandbox' design Halo is now so famous for. A mixture of vehicles, weapons, enemies and friends in wide open and non-linear levels game the player near infinite choices on how they played the game. I have yet to see a game do this to the extent Halo did. Call of Duty and Killzone may be good in their respective 'tactical' shooting departments, but their sandbox doesn't hold a candle to Halo.

Then there's the biggest impact of all on the FPS industry. Halo brought the industry to the casual front, and was arguably the first 'casual' First person shooter (no doubt the best). Huge sales, massive popularity. We all know that Halo is the reason there is an Xbox 360 right now. Ask anyone what Halo is, and they can likely tell you it's a video game. Ask anyone what Half-Life is, and they'll tell you that it's the time it takes for a substance to lose half it's radioactivity.

All in all, I think that Half-Life set the benchmark for general FPS games, but Halo took that in a new direction that worked beautifully. One could say that Half-Life had a bigger impact on the 'mechanics' of FPS games, but you could say that Halo brought it to the mass market. I've played both games, and I have to say, I can't make up my mind. I think both had the same amount of impact, but for different reasons.