Halo developer criticizes female character design in MGSV

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#1 nintendoboy16
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Two things:

1. Did he even play any Metal Gear Solid game at all? 

2. A Halo dev criticizing female design in another game? *looks at Cortana* Yeah...

Thoughts?

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#2 freedomfreak  Online
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Shut up, David.
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#3 LordOfPoms
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Maybe he could spend more time making Halo relevant, instead of whining about series that actually stay interesting release after release, no?
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#4 YearoftheSnake5
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I agree with him, but he's not exactly innocent.

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#5 drekula2
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MGS1-4 > Halo 2-4

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#6 R3FURBISHED
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Hideo Kojima is a pervert...as most Japanese developers are

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That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

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#8 R3FURBISHED
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MGS1-4 > Halo 2-4

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David Ellis works for 343 not for Bungie

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#9 clyde46
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Someones jealous.
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#10 RR360DD
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He's right though. Some of the character design in the games industry is embarrassing, particularly from the east.
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#11 nintendoboy16
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That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

super600

He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

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#12 drekula2
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[QUOTE="drekula2"]

MGS1-4 > Halo 2-4

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David Ellis works for 343 not for Bungie


That's even worse then...

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#13 drekula2
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That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. 

super600

 

Spartan Ops was the worst part of the game.  He should be ashamed.

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[QUOTE="super600"]

That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

nintendoboy16

He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

He is a content producer on Halo Waypoint
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

R3FURBISHED

He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

He is a content producer on Halo Waypoint

I never knew that.

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#16 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="super600"]

That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

nintendoboy16

He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

You seriously trying to imply cortana is even close to being as bad as this?

Metal-Gear-Solid-5-Quiet-1-630x472.jpg

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Suddenly interested in MGS5
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#18 R3FURBISHED
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

super600

He is a content producer on Halo Waypoint

I never knew that.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/David_Ellis -- there can't be that many David Ellis that work at 343

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

RR360DD

He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

You seriously trying to imply cortana is even close to being as bad as this?

*pic*

 

 

 

Cortana is naked.

 

 

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#20 clyde46
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

RR360DD

He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

You seriously trying to imply cortana is even close to being as bad as this?

Metal-Gear-Solid-5-Quiet-1-630x472.jpg

You sound like you are complaining.
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Ripped stockings. Count me in.
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#22 Nike_Air
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Is David Ellis that Xbot who used to work at 1up ?

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]He still came from a development house to work on the game though. Still reeks of irony.

painguy1

You seriously trying to imply cortana is even close to being as bad as this?

*pic*

 

 

 

Cortana is naked.

 

 

Cortana is a hologram
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#24 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

You seriously trying to imply cortana is even close to being as bad as this?

*pic* 

R3FURBISHED

Cortana is naked.

Cortana is a hologram

Still doesn't get a pass.

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I agree, it's disgusting.

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#26 lowkey254
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Japanese game designers are usually sexually immature. Western culture is typically prudish. Mix sexual immaturity with sexual prudes and you'll never get the right combination between the two.

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#27 Doom_HellKnight
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Well... he's right. I like the female body as much as the next guy, but there's a time and a place to be dressed like that. Her situation, I assume, is not one of them. Hence it stands out as being ridiculous.

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#28 Articuno76
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You know there are 'go to insults' that work to discredit people rather than the merit of their works. These insults are so condemning that the people targeted by them inevitably get drawn into a game of intellectual denial to protect themselves. The biggest problem with this is that in the end nothing really ever gets done (I'll leave the debate of whether anything should be done for another time).

Simply put, can't win an argument on the internet? Don't like something? Fling 'insert condemnation here' at the other person and walk off self-assured in your moral superiority (you may high-five the person closest to you). Don't let the fact that you've closed any room for constructive debate bother you; as long as you feel good about it who gives a ****?

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#29 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"][QUOTE="painguy1"]

Cortana is naked.

nintendoboy16

Cortana is a hologram

Still doesn't get a pass.

Well cortana is an AI, at least theres some reasoning behind her form.

Can't wait to hear why Quiet is geared up with a bikini on. No doubt it will take kojima a 25 minute cutscene just to get his point across.

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#30 painguy1
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Cortana is a hologramR3FURBISHED

 

 

Well cortana is an AI, at least theres some reasoning behind her form.

Can't wait to hear why Quiet is geared up with a bikini on. No doubt it will take kojima a 25 minute cutscene just to get his point across.

RR360DD

 Serina's a hologram/AI as well, but she ain't naked.

 serena.jpg

I have a suggestion guys....how bout everyone stops bein babies. They're just boobs n stuff. We see them everyday.

 

 

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#31 Zensword
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He's right, that's just ridiculous
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#32 ManatuBeard
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lol Halo dev badmouthing the mighty Kojima!

He is more insignificant than a smelly hobo in comparison... lol

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#33 Articuno76
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I don't really buy the 'it's ridiculous' angle because MGS is one of those games that has always managed to combine elements that are not only disparate but also seemingly at odds with one another. 4th wall breaking humour routinely gives way to conspiracy, soldiers are outfitted with painstakingly attention to realism but they are lead by COs who possess supernatural powers. Within MGS's own playbook, is it still ridiculous? Hmm...
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#34 RR360DD
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"] Cortana is a hologrampainguy1

 

 

Well cortana is an AI, at least theres some reasoning behind her form.

Can't wait to hear why Quiet is geared up with a bikini on. No doubt it will take kojima a 25 minute cutscene just to get his point across.

RR360DD

 

 Serina's a hologram/AI as well, but she ain't naked.

 serena.jpg

Serina was a stuck up bitch. She wouldn't undress even on a 3rd date, so I'm not surprised.

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#35 Silverbond
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Why are we talking about Cortana instead of agreeing that Quiet (wtf kinda name is Quiet?) looks ridiculous?

Fvcking cows, I swear.

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#36 lawlessx
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343....you guys..have no right..what so ever..to bash another developers character models. :|
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#37 Nengo_Flow
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Hideo Kojima is a pervert...as most Japanese developers are

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this.
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#38 Rocker6
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You seriously trying to imply cortana is even close to being as bad as this?

Metal-Gear-Solid-5-Quiet-1-630x472.jpg

RR360DD

Bad, you say? :o

Come on, is this really a cause for complaint?!

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#39 ManatuBeard
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

Hideo Kojima is a pervert...as most Japanese developers are

Nengo_Flow

this.

Its called cultural differences... you should research it a bit...

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#40 Quaker-w00ts
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What is there to say? 

Not the first time I've seen boobs and ass.

who actually cares?

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#41 a55a55inx
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To be honest, as I was watching the trailer for MGSV and saw "Quiet"... I thought to myself: "that's very impractical to wear in a battlefield."
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#42 Heil68
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He should STFU and make try to make Halo MP better.
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#43 painguy1
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So many babies in this thread.

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#44 masterninja9
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No one had a problem with Wolf, no one had a problem with Fortune, none with Eva, and none with the MGS4 bosses. There's always a hypocritical kiss ass that f*cks up the flow of everything.
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#45 Sharpie125
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Writing is just important as design. Cortana being based on Nefertiti (as a lot of other AI are based on mythological goddesses, at least in the novels) is meant to allegorize her wisdom, importance, and role in the narrative. In ancient art, nudity is meant to embody the pureness of the human figure (you'll see well-endowed women meant to celebrate fertility and whatnot). 

210px-Nefertiti_Standing-striding_Berlin

Cortana isn't a human, and if the Ancient Egyptians viewed their Pharaohs so highly, then she is more akin to a goddess. Especially with her almost omniscient power and "perfect" human form. I personally think her desire for a human form later fuels the man vs machine motif in Halo 4, where she is the Master Chief's humanity and soul, but that's another discussion.

I don't really want to knock Kojima because I'm interested in where MGS V is going, but based on photos... Quiet is pretty much decked out in fetish wear. I love me some fetish wear, but nobody should take offense if someone calls it as they see it. Her clothing is meant to inspire male gaze and really nothing more. She's going to be in the sandiest, hottest place and she wants to wear a full-length latex glove (for no reason), torn stockings, and a bikini (sunburn is no joke), and we're supposed to take her seriously? Okay.

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#46 Dire_Weasel
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It's called "Fan Service" and Cortana is a naked woman wearing purple paint, so they know something about it already.

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I'm criticizing the female character designs too - they're wearing too much clothing IMO.

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#48 SaltyMeatballs
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That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

super600
So what? He worked on Halo 4, first thing he should criticize is Halo 4's sexying up of Corana if he really cares.
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#49 MFDOOM1983
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Well, I'm not sure who this developer guy is, but Kojima probably has more say in the characters designs than this guy. With him being the games director and all... Bringing up Cortna doesn't automatically negate his statement.
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[QUOTE="super600"]

That developer just works on halo 4's spartan ops content. He had nothing to do with cortana's halo 4 design.I don't like what david said snyway,

SaltyMeatballs
So what? He worked on Halo 4, first thing he should criticize is Halo 4's sexying up of Corana if he really cares.

Who says that he hasn't?