Halo is a dumbed down FPS series!!!

The man speaks the truth. Halo is too simple compared to old fps games. Improving your skills in game IS fun, and it's not fun when you can master it in a week. InstaGib mutator alone is more fun than all halo games.

And some REALLY good vidoes showing ut04. Halo just will never compare. Look at theese and try to find halo videos of the same quality to convience me I'm wrong :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeM8GxqZ1gM&mode=related&search= - some instagib madness

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1991174925013987900&q=finnish+it&total=3020&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0- one of the best pro music videos ever

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

11Marcel

Well yeah no one is arguing that there is skill involved with Halo but when you compare it to the UT series it isn't in the same tier. There is a lot more to the UT series than fast twitch gameplay--I can assure you. All of that teamwork stuff applies in UT as well.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

wisdomWarrior

Well yeah no one is arguing that there is skill involved with Halo but when you compare it to the UT series it isn't in the same tier. There is a lot more to the UT series than fast twitch gameplay--I can assure you. All of that teamwork stuff applies in UT as well.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

wisdomWarrior

Well yeah no one is arguing that there is skill involved with Halo but when you compare it to the UT series it isn't in the same tier. There is a lot more to the UT series than fast twitch gameplay--I can assure you. All of that teamwork stuff applies in UT as well.

theres one huge factor people never consider when they say UT requires more skill. which is you can practice against bots all day and night in ut until you feel man enough to go online. there are no bots in halo. so you have to learn as you play, usually against people much better than you when you first start off.

Wait a second... a UT gamer said that. WOW, that's awesomily credible.DarthMar

come on now we all know UT players opinions matter most :roll:

[QUOTE="wisdomWarrior"][QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

marklarmer

Well yeah no one is arguing that there is skill involved with Halo but when you compare it to the UT series it isn't in the same tier. There is a lot more to the UT series than fast twitch gameplay--I can assure you. All of that teamwork stuff applies in UT as well.

theres one huge factor people never consider when they say UT requires more skill. which is you can practice against bots all day and night in ut until you feel man enough to go online. there are no bots in halo. so you have to learn as you play, usually against people much better than you when you first start off.

There are bots in UT that you can practice against--that is true. But I don't see that as being a big deal. I never practiced against bots before I went online. I just kept playing and got killed over and over again and in doing so naturally improved a great deal.

I don't think the bots are a big factor in this comparison.

I know there are some people who get scared to play online but I don't really understand how they can be like that. Ofcourse when you are new at something you will lose a lot until you do more practice.

I'm not saying that a faster game necesarily means a better game, but Halo and UT contain the same core gameplay, fast paced FPS. UT simply does it faster.

iunderstand

But you did say so.

Anyway, yes, both have the same "core" gameplay, which means absolutely bunk. Extreme-G and GTR2 have the same core gameplay if you want to distill it enough, and Extreme G is definitely faster. That does not mean GTR2 is casualized or otherwise requires less skill (in fact, in this specific example, it's the other way around).

Your basic argument involved UT requiring more skill because it was faster. Such an argument is fundamentally flawed.

Improving your skills in game IS fun, and it's not fun when you can master it in a week. InstaGib mutator alone is more fun than all halo games.

Gex-

Well, I don't know which game you're talking about here. I don't think it's quite possible to "master" Halo in a week.

Then again, you don't seem to have much of a point other than random halo bashing and ut luvin'.

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

11Marcel

You say that Halo requires you to make a lot of "tactical" (I **** hate the word now) decisions and how reflexes and aiming aren't the most important skills.

Please elaborate. What are all these skills required and all these "tactical" decisions a Halo player must make.

[QUOTE="wisdomWarrior"][QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

marklarmer

Well yeah no one is arguing that there is skill involved with Halo but when you compare it to the UT series it isn't in the same tier. There is a lot more to the UT series than fast twitch gameplay--I can assure you. All of that teamwork stuff applies in UT as well.

theres one huge factor people never consider when they say UT requires more skill. which is you can practice against bots all day and night in ut until you feel man enough to go online. there are no bots in halo. so you have to learn as you play, usually against people much better than you when you first start off.

What does it matter if someone wants to play against bots to get better before they go online? That's one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard.

How does that even tie into skill?

You're either a good player or you are not. Whether you play against bots or not doesn't change you're ability as a good player.

http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=577368

How is that for a contraversial title?

Seriously though.

"A lot of you guys know him. Arguably the best North American UT2004 dueler during it's prime, Stryfe has been out of the competitive loop for nearly 3 years (at least participating). Fortunately for us, Liefje caught him outside the New Jersey airport and snagged a video interview.

Part 1:Video Interview Part 1

Part 2:Video Interview Part 2

Stryfe goes on to talk about professional gaming, where it's going, as well as where it should go. He gives a small rant about consoles as well, for all you Halo fans. :wink:

The second part goes more in depth on how he feels about the NA Unreal community and how it should change, particularly with regards to respect. The videos are about 12 and a half minutes each, but both are worth watching.

Enjoy!"

As console gamers, do you agree? What do the PC gamers think about this?--Do you agree or disagree with his comments?

An quick sample video of some skill in Unreal Tournament 99 can be found in the video below :)

UT99 Skill of a very good player

wisdomWarrior

As a PC gamer, that guy is one of the most bitter folks I've ever heard, and that continues back to 2004... Still a great player though.

[QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

Thompsonwhore

You say that Halo requires you to make a lot of "tactical" (I **** hate the word now) decisions and how reflexes and aiming aren't the most important skills.

Please elaborate. What are all these skills required and all these "tactical" decisions a Halo player must make.

FACT: HALO is the best console FPS ever in the history of the Universe.

FACT: HALO 3 will be fun

FACT: HALO 3 will log the most online hours of anything (except WoW)

FACT: People who hate on HALO 3 are wasting their time. It will still be a huge success & people will still enjoy playing it.

[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"][QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

11Marcel

You say that Halo requires you to make a lot of "tactical" (I **** hate the word now) decisions and how reflexes and aiming aren't the most important skills.

Please elaborate. What are all these skills required and all these "tactical" decisions a Halo player must make.

I'm sorry. Did you just say that UT doesn't require you to outsmart your opponent?

If you did just that, I advise you to just stop talking right now.

You have obviously never played UT. Or you haven't played it long enough. You come back after you've played UT for just as many hours as you've played Halo and still tell me that UT doesn't require intelligence to play.

FPS are kinda lame this kid needs to pop in a copy of like Final fantasy 6

PC fanboys are funny

FACT: HALO is the best console FPS ever in the history of the Universe.

FACT: HALO 3 will be fun

FACT: HALO 3 will log the most online hours of anything (except WoW)

FACT: People who hate on HALO 3 are wasting their time. It will still be a huge success & people will still enjoy playing it.

Djc8a3Pgh8syv

[QUOTE="11Marcel"][QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"][QUOTE="11Marcel"]

You know what always disappoints me with threads like these? People act like aiming and reflexes are the only skills in an fps. Point is, there's far more skills involved, and you need them more in halo games than in most other games. Just because hitboxes are larger and you can't react as fast as in other shooters, that doesn't mean any new player can own seasoned players in halo. You also need the skill to get the advantage over your enemy before the fight even begins, and you have to make a lot of tactical choices while fighting. In team games the teamwork also means the difference between winning and losing 90% of the games.

It's just too simple to say that halo is dumbed down because aiming is easier. It actually makes the game more interesting as far as I've experienced.

Thompsonwhore

You say that Halo requires you to make a lot of "tactical" (I **** hate the word now) decisions and how reflexes and aiming aren't the most important skills.

Please elaborate. What are all these skills required and all these "tactical" decisions a Halo player must make.

I'm sorry. Did you just say that UT doesn't require you to outsmart your opponent?

If you did just that, I advise you to just stop talking right now.

You have obviously never played UT. Or you haven't played it long enough. You come back after you've played UT for just as many hours as you've played Halo and still tell me that UT doesn't require intelligence to play.

[QUOTE="Djc8a3Pgh8syv"]

FACT: HALO is the best console FPS ever in the history of the Universe.

FACT: HALO 3 will be fun

FACT: HALO 3 will log the most online hours of anything (except WoW)

FACT: People who hate on HALO 3 are wasting their time. It will still be a huge success & people will still enjoy playing it.

DuDisNow

I can't either. I was thinking about UT3...but that won't have all the maps and will be best on PC.