Halo is NOT the "best FPS ever" could people just get over it now?

Halo is a good FPS, probably one of the best console FPS games we've had in a long time, it acctualy showed developers how to make a good console FPS. (although IMO, perfect dark is still better). Either way, Halo is a great console FPS.

However, it is NOT the greatest FPS ever. If you happen to be a new gamer who was introduced to gaming last generation, you might be fooled into thinking it's the best FPS ever, or if you refuse to play games on anything other then an XBox. As for people like me who have a wider range of gaming tastes (for me it's PC, Nintendo, and XBox consoles), most of us I think realise Halo is definetly not the greatest FPS of all time.

I never played Halo on the XBox, I ended up playing it on thePC, at the time, it simply felt like an average corridor crawl with fairly dull AI. No matter what alot of people want to believe, Halo's AI is nothing compared to games such as Half-Life, a bit of strafing and running ala the imps in Diablo 2 does not constitute brilliant AI. Now, why does Halo, a game hyped so much on a console feel so average on PC? It's because it's a great CONSOLE FPS. The PC has far better standards, just look at Battlfield, Farcry and HL2. Thefore halo can not be the best FPS ever.

I guess to sum up, Halo is a brilliant console FPS, probably the best of last gen (with games such as bioshock this gen I'll reserve judgment), however it's hardly the best when we take into account other platforms. And this gen, with the line between PC and Console FPS's shrinking, just look at Bioshock, CoD4 etc, Halo might even start to seem rather ordinary on consoles in comparison.

It's a matter of opinion, you can't tell people their opinions are wrong because they don't line up with yours. Alot of people think Halo is the greatest FPS ever, others believe it's UT, or Half Life or CS. You can't tell any of them that they are 100% wrong or right. DA_B0MB

your right, however if we go by that wouldn't be the point of SW really...

It is my opinion however I believe it is a very valid opinion. Look at the huge difference between the score the game got on PC compared to XBox, on XBox it was a very high ranking AAA title. On PC, it was a mid AA title. As a console FPS, it brought alot to the table, however as a PC FPS, it did absolutly nothing new, and thats pretty much a fact. As far as PC was concerned, all it did was bring back the stereotypical sci-fi coridor crawl. The game might have been the best console FPS when it came out, but there's no way it can be the best FPS of all time. Although, the multiplayer was fairly fun.

In my opinion (and "best", "better", and all the others are only about opinion really) Halo 2 is the best FPS and its the best game, period.

Ain't opinions grand? Mine is correct, but so is yours, since they are only true and they only matter to yourself.

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]It's a matter of opinion, you can't tell people their opinions are wrong because they don't line up with yours. Alot of people think Halo is the greatest FPS ever, others believe it's UT, or Half Life or CS. You can't tell any of them that they are 100% wrong or right. DriftRS

your right, however if we go by that wouldn't be the point of SW really...

It is my opinion however I believe it is a very valid opinion. Look at the huge difference between the score the game got on PC compared to XBox, on XBox it was a very high ranking AAA title. On PC, it was a mid AA title. As a console FPS, it brought alot to the table, however as a PC FPS, it did absolutly nothing new, and thats pretty much a fact. As far as PC was concerned, all it did was bring back the stereotypical sci-fi coridor crawl. The game might have been the best console FPS when it came out, but there's no way it can be the best FPS of all time. Although, the multiplayer was fairly fun.

That, and, you know, that whole 2 year gap between the two titles.

just like the first reply it a matter of opioion i dont think its the best. but someone might think it is.

which is perfectyl ok

Halo bought the combat into the FPS. Before in FPS's I always felt like I was just shooting things before they could shoot me. In Halo, I actually felt like I was in a fight. I had to use strategy and tactical thinking to not only out-shoot my opponents, but out-wit them as well. It had incredible AI, a phenomenal soundtrack, good, strong character roles. Really, everything a good FPS needs Halo had, and it even had a few extras that have since become standard.

You can belittle it all you want in the current gen compared to games that are now being released, but you can't underestimate the impact Halo had on the genre as a whole. Would we be looking at the market now and saying 'jeez, it seems were oversaturated with shooters' if it weren't for Halo? I think not.

THETRUEDOZAH

Ok, can you explain what Halo brought to the genre? We had far better combat and AI in Half-Life and Unreal Tournament. When I played Halo on PC, I kind of just shot enemies in the face when I saw them, not having to worry about head shots thanks to the huge aiming cursor, enemies rarely seemed to put up a fight except for the odd sniper. Now, most of that is obviously opinion, but it is not opinion that the original Half-Life and Unreal Tournament both had better AI. IMO HL had better and more varied combat, but that is an opinion.

You are right about the sound track, however, a sound track does not make a game, and I can hardly call Halo a brilliant innovation due to a sound track. It did have some nice, although stereotypical characters. For the FPS genre, it probably did make the storyline more important then previous titles. Still not really an invovation though, look at System Shock 2.

Halo is a nice package, it brought alot together very well, however I don't see what it brought new to the table. It was the same standard corridor crawl we'd had on PC for years, just with... better music, and a proper storyline. All Halo did was bring console gaming more towards the PC standard, I don't see how that can make a game the best fps of all time. I'd like to know what you guys think it brought to the genre, and I really don't think AI counts.

sadly i don't like the wasy a computer fps functions. It just feels to fast and twitchy and it hurts my eyes. In a console fps i can find time to enjoy my kills and the actions it took to make them.Halo brought much to the fps genre. It also made videogaming a much more popular industry-everyone my age has heard of halo even if they don't play it. Besides few games give me a "Halo" feeling when i play it and that ismy favorite feeling in a game. Although i gotta say there are a few games that match halo in there own respect of course.

I think Half-Life 2 is the best. It is the most immersive experience I have ever had with a game. It makes you truely care about your characters and the situations you and they are thrown into. My only quibble with it is that some of the weapons are a bit **** lol...

Halo is definitely the most average FPS I've ever played.Metroid_Time

Your standard for average are awfully dang high then.

Halo is something every person has a different experiance with. In real life, I've met few who question whether or not it is a great game. Is it the best? Perhaps not, but there's enough unique features in it that Halo:CE is still the second most played game (According to thatrelease) On PCs.

Although I can't verify for myself if it's true or not, it paints an interesting picture. After all, if people are still playing the game 4 years later, there must have been something good about it, right?

See, the people who find Halo an average FPS seem to be the PC gamers, which is why I believe Halo is probably the best console FPS of last generation, and possibly the generation before that (I count perfect dark and goldeneye to be different enough from Halo's style of play to create some discussion), however against competition from the PC I just can't see it being called the best ever.

It's true some may prefer console style FPS and hate PC controls, however for people like myself who are very comfortable with both, Halo just seems below what we had on PC. I'm not saying Halo is bad by any means, as I keep saying it's a great console FPS, but there's just no way to count it the greatest FPS ever.

See, the people who find Halo an average FPS seem to be the PC gamers, which is why I believe Halo is probably the best console FPS of last generation, and possibly the generation before that (I count perfect dark and goldeneye to be different enough from Halo's style of play to create some discussion), however against competition from the PC I just can't see it being called the best ever.

It's true some may prefer console style FPS and hate PC controls, however for people like myself who are very comfortable with both, Halo just seems below what we had on PC. I'm not saying Halo is bad by any means, as I keep saying it's a great console FPS, but there's just no way to count it the greatest FPS ever.

DriftRS

Just for clarification, are you talking about Halo: CombatEvolved or Halo 2?

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

See, the people who find Halo an average FPS seem to be the PC gamers, which is why I believe Halo is probably the best console FPS of last generation, and possibly the generation before that (I count perfect dark and goldeneye to be different enough from Halo's style of play to create some discussion), however against competition from the PC I just can't see it being called the best ever.

It's true some may prefer console style FPS and hate PC controls, however for people like myself who are very comfortable with both, Halo just seems below what we had on PC. I'm not saying Halo is bad by any means, as I keep saying it's a great console FPS, but there's just no way to count it the greatest FPS ever.

lafigueroa

Just for clarification, are you talking about Halo: CombatEvolved or Halo 2?

Combat Evolved, havn't tried Halo 2, after the first just not sure it'd be worth it. Maybe if I find it one day cheap I'll pick it up and give it a shot.

well when it comes to the best FPS, none can resist that Half-Life would indeed pwn all shotters in this Category

.... do u want me to say more ?

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]Halo is definitely the most average FPS I've ever played.SpruceCaboose

Your standard for average are awfully dang high then.

Ok well Halo 1 is definitely up there in the single player catagory I would say top 10 overall and number one for consoles. However, Halo 2 just reeks with unpolished, uninspired gameplay which turned me off the series.

well when it comes to the best FPS, none can resist that Half-Life would indeed pwn all shotters in this Category

.... do u want me to say more ?

malikmmm

lol if you want, I pretty much agree, long as we're talking of the original HL. Half-Life might no longer be the best fps, but it still stands up very well and really changed the way FPS games were approached, a bit like what Mario 64 did for 3D platformers. As people have said you can't say "this is the best FPS ever" but HL would definetly bein the running for it.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]Halo is definitely the most average FPS I've ever played.Metroid_Time

Your standard for average are awfully dang high then.

Ok well Halo 1 is definitely up there in the single player catagory I would say top 10 overall and number one for consoles. However, Halo 2 just reeks with unpolished, uninspired gameplay which turned me off the series.

I pretty much agree with that, not sure about top 10, there's alot of shooters around, but Halo is a great game. I just could never see it as the number one fps of all time, maybe for consoles of the past generations after some stiff compeition from perfect dark and goldeneye.

My main problem is the online and how most Halo-boys play it. To me, respawn is weak and an annoying way to play online. And that's what I've seen, for the most part, when playing Halo online.

There's no intensity, because there's no realism. Yes, you can say the grpahics look real for some sci-fi stuff. But how can I get all into a game where I'm in a setting that I could never be in? But I do get that intensity when I play a game like Socom. That's a game where you can actually imagine yourself being in. A game that you know actually relates to the world around you.

That's my two cents.

Halo bought the combat into the FPS. Before in FPS's I always felt like I was just shooting things before they could shoot me. In Halo, I actually felt like I was in a fight. I had to use strategy and tactical thinking to not only out-shoot my opponents, but out-wit them as well. It had incredible AI, a phenomenal soundtrack, good, strong character roles. Really, everything a good FPS needs Halo had, and it even had a few extras that have since become standard.

You can belittle it all you want in the current gen compared to games that are now being released, but you can't underestimate the impact Halo had on the genre as a whole. Would we be looking at the market now and saying 'jeez, it seems were oversaturated with shooters' if it weren't for Halo? I think not.

THETRUEDOZAH

what previous fps had you played?

Halo is just a game. Could people who feel the need to make these threads daily just get over it? Seriously, no other game ever gets criticized so much. Just. Let. It. Go.TheCrazed420

It's all opinion people... Opinion.... Opinion...

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Halo is just a game. Could people who feel the need to make these threads daily just get over it? Seriously, no other game ever gets criticized so much. Just. Let. It. Go.musicalmac

Half-Life is hyped as the greatest FPS yet it isn't constantly torn down I wonder why that is? Maybe that's because it has the consistent quality from Half-Life to Opposing Force to HL2 to Episode 1. The series has been just that good and people think it is dseserving of praise.

However, when a console game comes along and is a slightly better than average PC game and gets hyped as the greatest FPS ever, well that is just overrated hype fueled by people who haven't played many FPS before. System Shock 2 was an amazing game with atmosphere and great level design yet it never got a tenth of the praise Halo gets on a day to day basis. But you know, maybe Halo is just the best FPS :roll:.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Halo is just a game. Could people who feel the need to make these threads daily just get over it? Seriously, no other game ever gets criticized so much. Just. Let. It. Go.Metroid_Time

Half-Life is hyped as the greatest FPS yet it isn't constantly torn down I wonder why that is? Maybe that's because it has the consistent quality from Half-Life to Opposing Force to HL2 to Episode 1. The series has been just that good and people think it is dseserving of praise.

However, when a console game comes along and is a slightly better than average PC game and gets hyped as the greatest FPS ever, well that is just overrated hype fueled by people who haven't played many FPS before. System Shock 2 was an amazing game with atmosphere and great level design yet it never got a tenth of the praise Halo gets on a day to day basis. But you know, maybe Halo is just the best FPS :roll:.

I repeat. Just let it go. I agree that System Shock, Deus EX, HalfLife are all better games. Like Musicalmac said, its the people criticizing it that are just as guilty of giving Halo this "godly" status, as the fanboys preaching it.

Half-Life is hyped as the greatest FPS yet it isn't constantly torn down I wonder why that is? Maybe that's because it has the consistent quality from Half-Life to Opposing Force to HL2 to Episode 1. The series has been just that good and people think it is dseserving of praise.

However, when a console game comes along and is a slightly better than average PC game and gets hyped as the greatest FPS ever, well that is just overrated hype fueled by people who haven't played many FPS before. System Shock 2 was an amazing game with atmosphere and great level design yet it never got a tenth of the praise Halo gets on a day to day basis. But you know, maybe Halo is just the best FPS :roll:.

Metroid_Time

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]

Half-Life is hyped as the greatest FPS yet it isn't constantly torn down I wonder why that is? Maybe that's because it has the consistent quality from Half-Life to Opposing Force to HL2 to Episode 1. The series has been just that good and people think it is dseserving of praise.

However, when a console game comes along and is a slightly better than average PC game and gets hyped as the greatest FPS ever, well that is just overrated hype fueled by people who haven't played many FPS before. System Shock 2 was an amazing game with atmosphere and great level design yet it never got a tenth of the praise Halo gets on a day to day basis. But you know, maybe Halo is just the best FPS :roll:.

musicalmac

No. You cannot be telling me that Halo is a better game than HL because it gets more criticism. That makes absolutely no sense. Stop pretending your precious game is so "controversial" and incredible. And maybe not in terms of fan backlash, but HL certainly had a larger impact than Halo.

Any game, any, that begins without a gun, owes itself to HL. Any game that follows a story with speech, dialouge and interaction through gameplay without cinematics owes itself to HL, because simply, before that, there was, what, Quake II, and Jedi Knight, which both equally pushed the FPS market almost as much as HL, but HL took it to new levels.

Other games, System Shock 2, Thief, Deus Ex, all more unique, inspired, interesting games than Halo, and for some reason, they weren't as recieved as well. And here we're seeing it again. Everyone's looking down the barrel of Halo 3, and yet, the gaming world is almost missing the real gem - Bioshock. At least the media are jumping on Bioshock.

[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"]It's a matter of opinion, you can't tell people their opinions are wrong because they don't line up with yours. Alot of people think Halo is the greatest FPS ever, others believe it's UT, or Half Life or CS. You can't tell any of them that they are 100% wrong or right. DriftRS

your right, however if we go by that wouldn't be the point of SW really...

It is my opinion however I believe it is a very valid opinion. Look at the huge difference between the score the game got on PC compared to XBox, on XBox it was a very high ranking AAA title. On PC, it was a mid AA title. As a console FPS, it brought alot to the table, however as a PC FPS, it did absolutly nothing new, and thats pretty much a fact. As far as PC was concerned, all it did was bring back the stereotypical sci-fi coridor crawl. The game might have been the best console FPS when it came out, but there's no way it can be the best FPS of all time. Although, the multiplayer was fairly fun.

Actually it scored AAA (Halo: CE anyway) and it was a lousy port. It didn't have the X Box version's co-op mode, which is what many people consider to be the best part of the game, and it didn't run well even on high end rigs (at the time).

*edit: and let's not forget, by the time Halo arrived on PCs it was already a 2 year old game.

No. You cannot be telling me that Halo is a better game than HL because it gets more criticism. That makes absolutely no sense. Stop pretending your precious game is so "controversial" and incredible. And maybe not in terms of fan backlash, but HL certainly had a larger impact than Halo.

Any game, any, that begins without a gun, owes itself to HL. Any game that follows a story with speech, dialouge and interaction through gameplay without cinematics owes itself to HL, because simply, before that, there was, what, Quake II, and Jedi Knight, which both equally pushed the FPS market almost as much as HL, but HL took it to new levels.

Other games, System Shock 2, Thief, Deus Ex, all more unique, inspired, interesting games than Halo, and for some reason, they weren't as recieved as well. And here we're seeing it again. Everyone's looking down the barrel of Halo 3, and yet, the gaming world is almost missing the real gem - Bioshock. At least the media are jumping on Bioshock.

1carus

Actually, I can. And, I did.

I suppose my earlier post was based on opinion in some spots, but my point was solid. This post is mainly opinionated, and you assume too much. You know what happens to people who make assumptions...

I would say do'nt give Half-Life more credit than it deserves. It's a great game, but not the second coming of FPS people like to make it out to be (IN MY OPINION ;) )

FFS when will be realise that when a game is called the best game ever its an "opinion" either from the reviewer or the user.

Telling people that love halo thats its not the best FPS is like telling someone at a Metallica concert that heavy metal is a stupid genre.

Gosh why cant people just accept others views and opinions; this is exactly why people have wars and from the looks of things they wont stop.

Goldeneye wins for me :)

I thought half life sucked - but I only ever played it on a console. PS2 i think?

[QUOTE="1carus"]

No. You cannot be telling me that Halo is a better game than HL because it gets more criticism. That makes absolutely no sense. Stop pretending your precious game is so "controversial" and incredible. And maybe not in terms of fan backlash, but HL certainly had a larger impact than Halo.

Any game, any, that begins without a gun, owes itself to HL. Any game that follows a story with speech, dialouge and interaction through gameplay without cinematics owes itself to HL, because simply, before that, there was, what, Quake II, and Jedi Knight, which both equally pushed the FPS market almost as much as HL, but HL took it to new levels.

Other games, System Shock 2, Thief, Deus Ex, all more unique, inspired, interesting games than Halo, and for some reason, they weren't as recieved as well. And here we're seeing it again. Everyone's looking down the barrel of Halo 3, and yet, the gaming world is almost missing the real gem - Bioshock. At least the media are jumping on Bioshock.

musicalmac

Actually, I can. And, I did.

I suppose my earlier post was based on opinion in some spots, but my point was solid. This post is mainly opinionated, and you assume too much. You know what happens to people who make assumptions...

I would say do'nt give Half-Life more credit than it deserves. It's a great game, but not the second coming of FPS people like to make it out to be (IN MY OPINION ;) )

Okay, I respect you're opinion, but did you play HL when it first came out? I mean, sure, anyone can play it now and think it's just like any other FPS, and that's why HL is so successful - because every other developer realised that HL was the future of FPS, and thus, the future of FPS were made.

Just as Deathmatch, Capture the Flag, and Team Fortress were made for Doom and Quake, they are an expected feature these days, and that is truly more groundbreaking than anything you could make in the gaming industry.

*Bangs head on desk repeatedly*

It's all opinion people... Opinion.... Opinion...

Blue-Sphere

Heres a tissue... your bleeding!

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Halo is just a game. Could people who feel the need to make these threads daily just get over it? Seriously, no other game ever gets criticized so much. Just. Let. It. Go.musicalmac

When it's hard to beat an AI oponent, that doesn't make the AI "good" at all, no where near it. In Halo on legendary for example, stick your head out from behind something and "boom headshot". Thats not good AI, I've programmed AI like that. All you do is allow each entity to always know where the player is, as soon as they calculate that they have a clean line of site "boom". Computers are very very good at being perfect.

Excellent AI is much harder to do. Imagine walking along a path, seeing a group of 5 enemies up ahead. You fight for a while and you start to win, so, two of the enemies you damaged proceed to try to run away while the other 3 stay back and fight. You figure the enemies that ran are trying to escape, so you decide to deal with the three still fighting and finish of the straglers later. Unknown to you, those two that escaped have snuck around to flank you, and just when you think your safe, you get shot in the back by two enemies hiding in the underbrush. That there is good AI. Getting shot in the head by an enemy instantly is simply coordinates getting passed to an enemy.

Halo is very hard on legendary, but I wouldn't say the AI is anything special.

Halo is very hard on legendary, but I wouldn't say the AI is anything special.

DriftRS

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]Halo is just a game. Could people who feel the need to make these threads daily just get over it? Seriously, no other game ever gets criticized so much. Just. Let. It. Go.DriftRS

When it's hard to beat an AI oponent, that doesn't make the AI "good" at all, no where near it. In Halo on legendary for example, stick your head out from behind something and "boom headshot". Thats not good AI, I've programmed AI like that. All you do is allow each entity to always know where the player is, as soon as they calculate that they have a clean line of site "boom". Computers are very very good at being perfect.

Excellent AI is much harder to do. Imagine walking along a path, seeing a group of 5 enemies up ahead. You fight for a while and you start to win, so, two of the enemies you damaged proceed to try to run away while the other 3 stay back and fight. You figure the enemies that ran are trying to escape, so you decide to deal with the three still fighting and finish of the straglers later. Unknown to you, those two that escaped have snuck around to flank you, and just when you think your safe, you get shot in the back by two enemies hiding in the underbrush. That there is good AI. Getting shot in the head by an enemy instantly is simply coordinates getting passed to an enemy.

Halo is very hard on legendary, but I wouldn't say the AI is anything special.

Exactly. Ever played Duke Nukem 3d Multiplayer with bots. They could snipe you with a pistol from the other side of the map. Doesn't make it good AI though. Infact, I think that's what you call "bad AI."

Well tc you played the game way after it was released, and when you did play it not much has changed in the game but a whole lot in the genre has, secondly you have never played halo 2 specifically halo 2 online which was where it really shined.

As far as "pc gaming" its all a matter of preference i have played hl2,fear bf 2 etc, and i can honestly say i enjoyed playing halo 1 more then any of those even hl2 being as great as it was.

After reading some of the replies, I have relized that System Wars is overrun with Lemmings and Halo fanboys. The replies easily point you out..you give reason of why Halo is the "best FPS ever" and what it brung to the table that was new...when everything in Halo is and was done before. Halo just was a good game, that didn't re-do the wheel but tweaked it and made it better.