Halo Reach, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2, Fable 3 wowsers 2010.

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[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]

Do you know what "exclusive" means? YOU DON'T! Saying it's exclusive to the PC360, is just saying its exclusive to PC and 360. Exclusive in the case of games and system wars = only found on one system, so unless Microsoft comes out with a system called PC360, it's not exclusive. And before you start, there is no console exclusive and there is no Microsoft exclusive!

PannicAtack

First off let me tell you that I know EXACTLY what exclusive means.

The game that I was refurring to is published by Microsoft and therefore it IS a microsoft exclusive, there is no way around it so dont try and skew your altereddefinition of exclusive just so that it fulfills your goal, whatever that may be.

Second, it is on a Microsoft console and also has the possibility of being on a PC that has a MICROSOFT OS........Do you still think that it is still not exclusive to the company?

Why would they have to license it with themselves? Clearly I am either missing something or just misunderstanding.

I dont understand how Microsoft would not make any money on a game that they published, unless you are refurring to a game that is not published by them which makes sense in that case.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

First off let me tell you that I know EXACTLY what exclusive means.

The game that I was refurring to is published by Microsoft and therefore it IS a microsoft exclusive, there is no way around it so dont try and skew your altereddefinition of exclusive just so that it fulfills your goal, whatever that may be.

Second, it is on a Microsoft console and also has the possibility of being on a PC that has a MICROSOFT OS........Do you still think that it is still not exclusive to the company?

Trmpt

Why would they have to license it with themselves? Clearly I am either missing something or just misunderstanding.

I dont understand how Microsoft would not make any money on a game that they published, unless you are refurring to a game that is not published by them which makes sense in that case.

Microsoft does not publish PC games. For that matter, to be accurate, they also do not publish 360 games, except where stated.

In order to get a game released for the 360, you need to have it approved by Microsoft to be released for that console. It is the same with Nintendo on the Wii and Sony with the PS3. PC, that doesn't happen unless you want it to have that "Games for Windows" thing on it.

Games on consoles can cost more to buy because a cut of the sales on the game goes to Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. With the PC, it doesn't.

Bottom line, Microsoft does not own PC gaming. They own the software that PCs run on, but they don't own PC gaming they way they own the XBox 360. And even so, if a game is available for the PC, that means it is available on a system that isn't the 360, therefore it's less of a reason to purchase a 360. Therefore, it's really dumb to act as though a game is still an "exclusive" if it's on the PC.

You know, Sony makes games for the PC, too. Sony Online Entertainment. For example, The Agency. It's being released in 2010, developed and published by Sony.

Theyre available on the 360 not the PS3 and its as simple as that.We all know where the real war is this gen and its between these two consoles.These games not being available on the PS3 is very relevant.Despite SW silly rules they make the 360 games library alot stronger(including true exclusives) and make the 360 more appealing than the PS3 to alot of consumers than if they where available on the PS3 as well.The majority of Cows dont get to play these games even though they are available on the PC,thats SW dirty little secret we all know but the Cows wont admit.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] You don't have to license the game with Microsoft to release it on PC. That's why alot of PC games are cheaper than 360 games. Microsoft also does not make money off of PC game sales.

PannicAtack

Why would they have to license it with themselves? Clearly I am either missing something or just misunderstanding.

I dont understand how Microsoft would not make any money on a game that they published, unless you are refurring to a game that is not published by them which makes sense in that case.

Microsoft does not publish PC games. For that matter, to be accurate, they also do not publish 360 games, except where stated.

In order to get a game released for the 360, you need to have it approved by Microsoft to be released for that console. It is the same with Nintendo on the Wii and Sony with the PS3. PC, that doesn't happen unless you want it to have that "Games for Windows" thing on it.

Games on consoles can cost more to buy because a cut of the sales on the game goes to Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. With the PC, it doesn't.

Bottom line, Microsoft does not own PC gaming. They own the software that PCs run on, but they don't own PC gaming they way they own the XBox 360. And even so, if a game is available for the PC, that means it is available on a system that isn't the 360, therefore it's less of a reason to purchase a 360. Therefore, it's really dumb to act as though a game is still an "exclusive" if it's on the PC.

You know, Sony makes games for the PC, too. Sony Online Entertainment. For example, The Agency. It's being released in 2010, developed and published by Sony.

1.) I already stated that the game I was refurring to is published by Microsoft. I am fully aware that there are many games that are not and in their particular case are not part of the dissension of various people which in this case involve the exclusivity between the three major console developers.

2.) The publisher doesnt recieve any money on the PC? Not a very good marketing move tbh.

3.) I know, but they do own the OS that is needed to play their games, and I am only refuring to Games for Winows when I say that a MS OS is needed, I am also aware of third party software that allows you play these games across multiple OS's, although using this software to play them is the same as modding a console in my perspective, it is just MUCH easier to pull off on a PC.

4.) Saying that a game that is both on the 360 as well as the PC through GAMES FOR WINDOWS is not exclusive to any particular platform is correct. However, it IS exclusive to the publisher as well as the OS and therefore should be counted as a Microsoft exclusive.

Arguing otherwise would be like saying that CBS doesnt have exclusive rights to a particular show that is broadcast on one of the various channels that they own solely because it is not being viewed on a TV created by CBS.

1.) I already stated that the game I was refurring to is published by Microsoft. I am fully aware that there are many games that are not and in their particular case are not part of the dissension of various people which in this case involve the exclusivity between the three major console developers.

2.) The publisher doesnt recieve any money on the PC? Not a very good marketing move tbh.

3.) I know, but they do own the OS that is needed to play their games, and I am only refuring to Games for Winows when I say that a MS OS is needed, I am also aware of third party software that allows you play these games across multiple OS's, although using this software to play them is the same as modding a console in my perspective, it is just MUCH easier to pull off on a PC.

4.) Saying that a game that is both on the 360 as well as the PC through GAMES FOR WINDOWS is not exclusive to any particular platform is correct. However, it IS exclusive to the publisher as well as the OS and therefore should be counted as a Microsoft exclusive.

Arguing otherwise would be like saying that CBS doesnt have exclusive rights to a particular show that is broadcast on one of the various channels that they own solely because it is not being viewed on a TV created by CBS.

Trmpt

2. I didn't say that. You misread the post. Tragically misread the post.

3. And your point is?

4. It would only be exclusive to Microsoft if Microsoft was the publisher.

5. With a tv station like CBS, you need a contract and a lot of other stuff. Making a game on the PC is completely different. If I make a game for the PC, Microsoft does not own the game. Appearing on CBS would be analogous to having a game released on the 360, because with the 360, you need your game approved before it's release. There is no such thing on the PC. Your analogy is flawed.

You're thinking under the fallacy that just because a game appears on the PC that it is Microsoft property.

GEARS OF WAR 3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

these games aren't available on wii or ps3 thats why 360 still has an advantage even though they are on pc

these games aren't available on wii or ps3 thats why 360 still has an advantage even though they are on pc

anshuk20002

Bottom line: It is not an exclusive if it appears on more than one platform in similar or identical form.

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these games aren't available on wii or ps3 thats why 360 still has an advantage even though they are on pc

PannicAtack

yes minimal advantage

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

these games aren't available on wii or ps3 thats why 360 still has an advantage even though they are on pc

anshuk20002

yes minimal advantage

[QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

these games aren't available on wii or ps3 thats why 360 still has an advantage even though they are on pc

PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

these games aren't available on wii or ps3 thats why 360 still has an advantage even though they are on pc

xgraderx

right now the ps3 HAS A HUGEEEEEE hardware advantage. so yeah imo the 360 needs to put killer apps these next two years if they want to stay ahead of ps3 and maybe just a small chance..........shorten the gap between the wii

[QUOTE="xgraderx"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] If a game is available on every system except 360 does that mean that Wii/PS3/PC has an advantage? A very minimal advantage, perhaps, but not much.anshuk20002

right now the ps3 HAS A HUGEEEEEE hardware advantage. so yeah imo the 360 needs to put killer apps these next two years if they want to stay ahead of ps3 and maybe just a small chance..........shorten the gap between the wii

What is Halo Reach around? I'v never heard of it.

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[QUOTE="xgraderx"]If these PC/360 games where available on the PS3 and not the 360 it would be a huge advantage for the PS3.When comparing these two systems that are very similar in what they offer,the games make the difference and the sale.PannicAtack

right now the ps3 HAS A HUGEEEEEE hardware advantage. so yeah imo the 360 needs to put killer apps these next two years if they want to stay ahead of ps3 and maybe just a small chance..........shorten the gap between the wii

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[QUOTE="xgraderx"]If these PC/360 games where available on the PS3 and not the 360 it would be a huge advantage for the PS3.When comparing these two systems that are very similar in what they offer,the games make the difference and the sale.PannicAtack

right now the ps3 HAS A HUGEEEEEE hardware advantage. so yeah imo the 360 needs to put killer apps these next two years if they want to stay ahead of ps3 and maybe just a small chance..........shorten the gap between the wii

im talkin sales here dude. not everyone has a pc that can run these games. look at popular mmos like runescape hell even wow doesnt require a high system. some of those killer apps most ppl will get a console for, not upgrade their pc.

What is Halo Reach around? I'v never heard of it.

tenaka2

What is Halo Reach around? I'v never heard of it.

tenaka2

i dont know much, prequel to halo ce, about the planet reach. multiplayer beta comes with odst. pretty smart move by bungie to do that

You play on PC,not all Cows do.How many Copies did Gears 1 and every other PC/360 game sell on PC?keeping in mind all the PC gamers.How many Cows really purchased copies of these games?I know Im not a PC gamer and I purchased the 360 over the PS3.xgraderx

im talkin sales here dude. not everyone has a pc that can run these games. look at popular mmos like runescape hell even wow doesnt require a high system. some of those killer apps most ppl will get a console for, not upgrade their pc.

anshuk20002

That other person is still wrong, though.

Splinter Cell and ME 2 aren't exclusives. But yeah, it's looking good, but not as good as PS3s 2010.aaronmullan

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

1.) I already stated that the game I was refurring to is published by Microsoft. I am fully aware that there are many games that are not and in their particular case are not part of the dissension of various people which in this case involve the exclusivity between the three major console developers.

2.) The publisher doesnt recieve any money on the PC? Not a very good marketing move tbh.

3.) I know, but they do own the OS that is needed to play their games, and I am only refuring to Games for Winows when I say that a MS OS is needed, I am also aware of third party software that allows you play these games across multiple OS's, although using this software to play them is the same as modding a console in my perspective, it is just MUCH easier to pull off on a PC.

4.) Saying that a game that is both on the 360 as well as the PC through GAMES FOR WINDOWS is not exclusive to any particular platform is correct. However, it IS exclusive to the publisher as well as the OS and therefore should be counted as a Microsoft exclusive.

Arguing otherwise would be like saying that CBS doesnt have exclusive rights to a particular show that is broadcast on one of the various channels that they own solely because it is not being viewed on a TV created by CBS.

PannicAtack

1. Microsoft only publishes a small amount of games on the PC, like Halo. Mass Effect for the PC is published by EA, for example.

2. I didn't say that. You misread the post. Tragically misread the post.

3. And your point is?

4. It would only be exclusive to Microsoft if Microsoft was the publisher.

5. With a tv station like CBS, you need a contract and a lot of other stuff. Making a game on the PC is completely different. If I make a game for the PC, Microsoft does not own the game. Appearing on CBS would be analogous to having a game released on the 360, because with the 360, you need your game approved before it's release. There is no such thing on the PC. Your analogy is flawed.

You're thinking under the fallacy that just because a game appears on the PC that it is Microsoft property.

1.) Apperantly we are misreading eachothers posts because people feel the need to point out what I have been saying.

2.) Actually, you did say that. Read what you said,

"Games on consoles can cost more to buy because a cut of the sales on the game goes to Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. With the PC, it doesn't."

The wording that you chose to use completely circumvented what I was saying. What your words said was that NO profit from a game sold on the PC would go to the publisher, which is completly false. Do you expect me to read between the lines? Doing so would force me to formulate my own opinion based on what you said, and that can lead to misinterpretations.

3.) You dont get the point? The point is this, just because you can play a game that was designed to ONLY run on a PC running a specific OS using third party software does not mean that it is not exclusive to that particular OS.

4.) Exactly!

5.) You are completley missing what I am saying.

If CBS created a show using there own company that particular show IS exclusive to them. Now it is a different story if a 'third party' company created a show and had to go through negotiations with CBS for it to be aired.

My analogy is comepletly valid. It was through your process of detailing things that werent meant to be part of it that made it invalid.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="xgraderx"]Lems dont care theyre not exclusive,theyre only available on one console,theirs.Being on the PC doesnt make the games any less anticipated or relevant in SW or the real world.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

1.) I already stated that the game I was refurring to is published by Microsoft. I am fully aware that there are many games that are not and in their particular case are not part of the dissension of various people which in this case involve the exclusivity between the three major console developers.

2.) The publisher doesnt recieve any money on the PC? Not a very good marketing move tbh.

3.) I know, but they do own the OS that is needed to play their games, and I am only refuring to Games for Winows when I say that a MS OS is needed, I am also aware of third party software that allows you play these games across multiple OS's, although using this software to play them is the same as modding a console in my perspective, it is just MUCH easier to pull off on a PC.

4.) Saying that a game that is both on the 360 as well as the PC through GAMES FOR WINDOWS is not exclusive to any particular platform is correct. However, it IS exclusive to the publisher as well as the OS and therefore should be counted as a Microsoft exclusive.

Arguing otherwise would be like saying that CBS doesnt have exclusive rights to a particular show that is broadcast on one of the various channels that they own solely because it is not being viewed on a TV created by CBS.

Trmpt

1. Microsoft only publishes a small amount of games on the PC, like Halo. Mass Effect for the PC is published by EA, for example.

2. I didn't say that. You misread the post. Tragically misread the post.

3. And your point is?

4. It would only be exclusive to Microsoft if Microsoft was the publisher.

5. With a tv station like CBS, you need a contract and a lot of other stuff. Making a game on the PC is completely different. If I make a game for the PC, Microsoft does not own the game. Appearing on CBS would be analogous to having a game released on the 360, because with the 360, you need your game approved before it's release. There is no such thing on the PC. Your analogy is flawed.

You're thinking under the fallacy that just because a game appears on the PC that it is Microsoft property.

1.) Apperantly we are misreading eachothers posts because people feel the need to point out what I have been saying.

2.) Actually, you did say that. Read what you said,

"Games on consoles can cost more to buy because a cut of the sales on the game goes to Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. With the PC, it doesn't."

The wording that you chose to use completely circumvented what I was saying. What your words said was that NO profit from a game sold on the PC would go to the publisher, which is completly false. Do you expect me to read between the lines? Doing so would force me to formulate my own opinion based on what you said, and that can lead to misinterpretations.

3.) You dont get the point? The point is this, just because you can play a game that was designed to ONLY run on a PC running a specific OS using third party software does not mean that it is not exclusive to that particular OS.

4.) Exactly!

5.) You are completley missing what I am saying.

If CBS created a show using there own company that particular show IS exclusive to them. Now it is a different story if a 'third party' company created a show and had to go through negotiations with CBS for it to be aired.

My analogy is comepletly valid. It was through your process of detailing things that werent meant to be part of it that made it invalid.

also anything with games for windows live has to go meet certain M$ standards to be able have the tag on the box,

I gurantee M$ gets a cut on pc games, through tools and directx or any other software needed to dev anything on games, as a student i can get things for free, but am not licensed to make money off of anything i build.

also anything with games for windows live has to go meet certain M$ standards to be able have the tag on the box,

savagetwinkie

Thats through a different pipeline than what was being discussed but your probably right.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I gurantee M$ gets a cut on pc games, through tools and directx or any other software needed to dev anything on games, as a student i can get things for free, but am not licensed to make money off of anything i build.

also anything with games for windows live has to go meet certain M$ standards to be able have the tag on the box,

Thats through a different pipeline than what was being discussed but your probably right.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] Exclusive = only on one system. PannicAtack

yet majority of the gamers that will play these games get teh xbox 360 version determined and proven by sales

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I gurantee M$ gets a cut on pc games, through tools and directx or any other software needed to dev anything on games, as a student i can get things for free, but am not licensed to make money off of anything i build.

also anything with games for windows live has to go meet certain M$ standards to be able have the tag on the box,

savagetwinkie

Thats through a different pipeline than what was being discussed but your probably right.

basicly its free to make games on a pc, but its not free to make money off of games you make on pc. M$ see's some of the money, at least through initial development costs, either way M$ owns the only standard part of the pc people are making games for, unless they are making it for mac, but then apple would be a system too i guess. Either way PC/360 exclusives has M$ dirty hands all over it and for the most part, they look at it like, it will either sell windows, or 360's. profit for m$ and none for sony or nintendo with pc/360 exclusives.

You're talking about the OS as well as developement tools right? I have heard that some developers develope there PC games on a Mac because it is easier to develope on a Mac. In that case the owner of the developement tools (MS, MAC, Indie) would get a portion of the cash generated as well as MS because it is on a MS OS.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"] Exclusive = only on one system. PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

1.) I already stated that the game I was refurring to is published by Microsoft. I am fully aware that there are many games that are not and in their particular case are not part of the dissension of various people which in this case involve the exclusivity between the three major console developers.

2.) The publisher doesnt recieve any money on the PC? Not a very good marketing move tbh.

3.) I know, but they do own the OS that is needed to play their games, and I am only refuring to Games for Winows when I say that a MS OS is needed, I am also aware of third party software that allows you play these games across multiple OS's, although using this software to play them is the same as modding a console in my perspective, it is just MUCH easier to pull off on a PC.

4.) Saying that a game that is both on the 360 as well as the PC through GAMES FOR WINDOWS is not exclusive to any particular platform is correct. However, it IS exclusive to the publisher as well as the OS and therefore should be counted as a Microsoft exclusive.

Arguing otherwise would be like saying that CBS doesnt have exclusive rights to a particular show that is broadcast on one of the various channels that they own solely because it is not being viewed on a TV created by CBS.

Trmpt

1. Microsoft only publishes a small amount of games on the PC, like Halo. Mass Effect for the PC is published by EA, for example.

2. I didn't say that. You misread the post. Tragically misread the post.

3. And your point is?

4. It would only be exclusive to Microsoft if Microsoft was the publisher.

5. With a tv station like CBS, you need a contract and a lot of other stuff. Making a game on the PC is completely different. If I make a game for the PC, Microsoft does not own the game. Appearing on CBS would be analogous to having a game released on the 360, because with the 360, you need your game approved before it's release. There is no such thing on the PC. Your analogy is flawed.

You're thinking under the fallacy that just because a game appears on the PC that it is Microsoft property.

1.) Apperantly we are misreading eachothers posts because people feel the need to point out what I have been saying.

2.) Actually, you did say that. Read what you said,

"Games on consoles can cost more to buy because a cut of the sales on the game goes to Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. With the PC, it doesn't."

The wording that you chose to use completely circumvented what I was saying. What your words said was that NO profit from a game sold on the PC would go to the publisher, which is completly false. Do you expect me to read between the lines? Doing so would force me to formulate my own opinion based on what you said, and that can lead to misinterpretations.

3.) You dont get the point? The point is this, just because you can play a game that was designed to ONLY run on a PC running a specific OS using third party software does not mean that it is not exclusive to that particular OS.

4.) Exactly!

5.) You are completley missing what I am saying.

If CBS created a show using there own company that particular show IS exclusive to them. Now it is a different story if a 'third party' company created a show and had to go through negotiations with CBS for it to be aired.

My analogy is comepletly valid. It was through your process of detailing things that werent meant to be part of it that made it invalid.

2. I did not say that publishers don't make money off of the games. I am saying that Microsoft doesn't get money from PC game sales, because they do not publish the game. On consoles, the companies get money because the games need to be licensed/approved by the company. That's why there was a flap about Manhunt 2: The console makers would not allow an AO game to be released on their systems. That doesn't happen on PC.

3. OS means nothing. It's something alot of us already have, and it's not like games are a driving force in selling OS. An OS is completely different from a console.

4. But Microsoft isn't the publisher in many cases.

5. Microsoft doesn't "Create" PC games, except for the games specifically made/published by Microsoft game studios.

6. No. When you want to do a show on a tv station, you are under contract with them. This is what happens with developing games on a console - you are under contract with the makers of said console. When you make a PC game, are you under contract with Microsoft? No.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Its completely failed logic for people owning a ps3 to be like, well its on pc too so i don't have a 360 to play it. Thats not the way it works, being a ps3 owner you CAN'T play it without further purchasing another system, either 360 for $200 or pc for $600+. So they're argument is not for the ps3 its just they can circumvent having to buy a 360 to play a game by buying something else, but either way, it counts against the ps3 for not being supported.savagetwinkie

not only that but some pc have like an integraded graphics card thingy ( basically all i know is u can't upgrade it with a new one )

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Trmpt"]

Thats through a different pipeline than what was being discussed but your probably right.

basicly its free to make games on a pc, but its not free to make money off of games you make on pc. M$ see's some of the money, at least through initial development costs, either way M$ owns the only standard part of the pc people are making games for, unless they are making it for mac, but then apple would be a system too i guess. Either way PC/360 exclusives has M$ dirty hands all over it and for the most part, they look at it like, it will either sell windows, or 360's. profit for m$ and none for sony or nintendo with pc/360 exclusives.

You're talking about the OS as well as developement tools right? I have heard that some developers develope there PC games on a Mac because it is easier to develope on a Mac. In that case the owner of the developement tools (MS, MAC, Indie) would get a portion of the cash generated as well as MS because it is on a MS OS.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Simple semantics and SW rules determine what is and isn't an "exclusive." Also, the "pc for $600+" point is absolutely laughable. Most of us already have a PC (as indicated by us posting here), and even if upgrades are required, they are certainly not anywhere near that expensive.

anshuk20002

not only that but some pc have like an integraded graphics card thingy ( basically all i know is u can't upgrade it with a new one )

edit: also about the PCIe slot, if you upgrade video card to somethign too much likely you'll need a psu with it to be able to drive the video card.

[QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] right i never said it was exclusive, but when comparing what the 360 has over the ps3, well it has them and the ps3 doesn't. and you can't buy a gaming pc for less then $600, not at the quality of the consoles for sure. And to say "we already have them" you forgot to mention "that we paid " at the end, Plus upgrades if your **** $300 computer can't play anything, which is true basicly. You might be able to get away with sayign a $400 computer now though, you can buy one around that much today and upgrade the vid card, mmm hope you enjoy that intel pentium core duo e5200...

savagetwinkie

not only that but some pc have like an integraded graphics card thingy ( basically all i know is u can't upgrade it with a new one )

edit: also about the PCIe slot, if you upgrade video card to somethign too much likely you'll need a psu with it to be able to drive the video card.

i dont know what the hell u just said lol

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

basicly its free to make games on a pc, but its not free to make money off of games you make on pc. M$ see's some of the money, at least through initial development costs, either way M$ owns the only standard part of the pc people are making games for, unless they are making it for mac, but then apple would be a system too i guess. Either way PC/360 exclusives has M$ dirty hands all over it and for the most part, they look at it like, it will either sell windows, or 360's. profit for m$ and none for sony or nintendo with pc/360 exclusives.

You're talking about the OS as well as developement tools right? I have heard that some developers develope there PC games on a Mac because it is easier to develope on a Mac. In that case the owner of the developement tools (MS, MAC, Indie) would get a portion of the cash generated as well as MS because it is on a MS OS.

Unfortuantely for Micorosft, the only exclusives that appeal to me are Mass Effect 2. That's just me though. Now this might chage once I get more information on the games, but right now money is tight and Uncharted 2 the game I'm eagerly awaiting to play. I'm not going to get Fable 3 when Final Fantasy 13 is coming out and it's looking great and it's made by the people who made one of my favorite games (FFX) so that's a must buy. Never got into Splinter Cell because it looked boring (I'm not a big stealth fan, I haven't played ONE MGS game, but I might get MGS4 as you can play in any mode and it's a recent game). Alan Wake, no. Halo Reach - I think Halo is one of the most over rated series. But at the sametime I'm really interested in seeing how good this game looks in it's new engine that it does need. They better make it INTENSE, CHAOTIC, make the the weapons feel like they have more power and uniqueness in addition to all of other Halo stuff. After that then I'll give Halo a chance. I did enjoy the first 3 hours of the Halo 3 campaign. It was just ok, but not anything engrossing like other FPS games.

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

1. Microsoft only publishes a small amount of games on the PC, like Halo. Mass Effect for the PC is published by EA, for example.

2. I didn't say that. You misread the post. Tragically misread the post.

3. And your point is?

4. It would only be exclusive to Microsoft if Microsoft was the publisher.

5. With a tv station like CBS, you need a contract and a lot of other stuff. Making a game on the PC is completely different. If I make a game for the PC, Microsoft does not own the game. Appearing on CBS would be analogous to having a game released on the 360, because with the 360, you need your game approved before it's release. There is no such thing on the PC. Your analogy is flawed.

You're thinking under the fallacy that just because a game appears on the PC that it is Microsoft property.

PannicAtack

1.) Apperantly we are misreading eachothers posts because people feel the need to point out what I have been saying.

2.) Actually, you did say that. Read what you said,

"Games on consoles can cost more to buy because a cut of the sales on the game goes to Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony. With the PC, it doesn't."

The wording that you chose to use completely circumvented what I was saying. What your words said was that NO profit from a game sold on the PC would go to the publisher, which is completly false. Do you expect me to read between the lines? Doing so would force me to formulate my own opinion based on what you said, and that can lead to misinterpretations.

3.) You dont get the point? The point is this, just because you can play a game that was designed to ONLY run on a PC running a specific OS using third party software does not mean that it is not exclusive to that particular OS.

4.) Exactly!

5.) You are completley missing what I am saying.

If CBS created a show using there own company that particular show IS exclusive to them. Now it is a different story if a 'third party' company created a show and had to go through negotiations with CBS for it to be aired.

My analogy is comepletly valid. It was through your process of detailing things that werent meant to be part of it that made it invalid.

2. I did not say that publishers don't make money off of the games. I am saying that Microsoft doesn't get money from PC game sales, because they do not publish the game. On consoles, the companies get money because the games need to be licensed/approved by the company. That's why there was a flap about Manhunt 2: The console makers would not allow an AO game to be released on their systems. That doesn't happen on PC.

3. OS means nothing. It's something alot of us already have, and it's not like games are a driving force in selling OS. An OS is completely different from a console.

4. But Microsoft isn't the publisher in many cases.

5. Microsoft doesn't "Create" PC games, except for the games specifically made/published by Microsoft game studios.

6. No. When you want to do a show on a tv station, you are under contract with them. This is what happens with developing games on a console - you are under contract with the makers of said console. When you make a PC game, are you under contract with Microsoft? No.

*facepalm^1000*

2.) Why.........................why do you feel the need to keep reiterating facts that have already been absolved? I am completly aware that MS doesnt generate money from a game that they didnt publish, they may make money off of it through indirect ways however. My ENTIRE argument has been about games that are published by MS so stop disputing things that arent part of the discussion.

3.) It is the same thing as modding a console so yes, the OS means a hell of a lot.

4.) *facepalm^2000*

5.) *facepalm^3000*

6.) I am speechless right now, I mean if I facepalm again Im afraid there might be a rupture in space/time because one post can only handle so many.

Instead of using other variables you keep reiterating what has already been said, and what you are saying is completly different from what I was describing...just stop.

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[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2 and probably Alan Wake are not exclusives.

God of War 3, Heavy Rain, White Knight Chronicles, MAG. Possibly Gran Turismo 5 if it doesn't release this Holiday.

PrimusGears

Alan wake is, and don't you think it is usually 360 vs. PS3.

Cant wait :)Plus Lost planet 2

[QUOTE="PrimusGears"][QUOTE="Camer999"]

Alan wake is, and don't you think it is usually 360 vs. PS3.

imprezawrx500

They are games on the 360 that i will no doubt enjoy. is that so hard to understand? multiplat or not.

360's lineup looks great. We just need Rare to make a few announcements to put the icing on the cake.

2010 is gonna be an amazing year for gaming in general.

whether you exclusively play on the PC, the consoles or handhelds. or even better you got multiple systems.

PC:

Star Wars: Old Republic, Mechwarrior 5, Star Craft II: Wings of Liberty, and maybe Diablo III.

PS3:

God of War 3, Heavy Rain: Origami Killer, White Knight Chronicles, MAG, Resistance 3 (if you look at Insomniac's release pattern you'll see it.....), and maybe Gran Turismo 5 if it doesn't launch in 2009.

360:

Alan Wake, Halo Reach, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Crackdown 2, Fable 3.

Wii:

Metroid: Other M, Mario Galaxy 2, new Zelda Wii, maybe Pikmin 3, and the Epic Mickey Project.

DS:

Pokemon Soul Silver, and the many RPG's that come to it. like Infinite Space.

PSP:

Metal Gear Peace Walker, Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (maybe), Resident Evil Portable, Valkyria Chronicles 2.

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That doessn't even include some exclusives i may be forgetting or the really really great multi-plat games like FF13, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2. and as well as new IP's like Dante's Inferno, Singularity, and Homefront.

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No matter the platform it is gonna be a great year for gamers. better start saving up guys :P.

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[QUOTE="Trmpt"] Its exclusive to the PC360 then.Trmpt

Do you know what "exclusive" means? YOU DON'T! Saying it's exclusive to the PC360, is just saying its exclusive to PC and 360. Exclusive in the case of games and system wars = only found on one system, so unless Microsoft comes out with a system called PC360, it's not exclusive. And before you start, there is no console exclusive and there is no Microsoft exclusive!

First off let me tell you that I know EXACTLY what exclusive means.

The game that I was refurring to is published by Microsoft and therefore it IS a microsoft exclusive, there is no way around it so dont try and skew your altereddefinition of exclusive just so that it fulfills your goal, whatever that may be.

Second, it is on a Microsoft console and also has the possibility of being on a PC that has a MICROSOFT OS........Do you still think that it is still not exclusive to the company?

[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

[QUOTE="mgs_freak91"]

Do you know what "exclusive" means? YOU DON'T! Saying it's exclusive to the PC360, is just saying its exclusive to PC and 360. Exclusive in the case of games and system wars = only found on one system, so unless Microsoft comes out with a system called PC360, it's not exclusive. And before you start, there is no console exclusive and there is no Microsoft exclusive!

mgs_freak91

First off let me tell you that I know EXACTLY what exclusive means.

The game that I was refurring to is published by Microsoft and therefore it IS a microsoft exclusive, there is no way around it so dont try and skew your altereddefinition of exclusive just so that it fulfills your goal, whatever that may be.

Second, it is on a Microsoft console and also has the possibility of being on a PC that has a MICROSOFT OS........Do you still think that it is still not exclusive to the company?

Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2 and probably Alan Wake are not exclusives.

urdead18

Um. Those are all 360 exclusives.....

A vital part of debating is knowing when someone else is right.

Yep, it certainly does have a better 2010, much better than 2009 anyway. But I think it has stiff competition as to which platform will have the better year.

[QUOTE="urdead18"]

Splinter Cell, Mass Effect 2 and probably Alan Wake are not exclusives.

runekey

Um. Those are all 360 exclusives.....

A vital part of debating is knowing when someone else is right.