Halo Reach and Uncharted 2, someones gotta do it

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#1 Skittles_McGee
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The 9.5 (boring as hell score) exclusive of the 360 and the PS3, in a faceoff. Right here. Right now. inb4differentgenresexcuse. Lets do this. Time to rock and roll baby 8)

Graphics: Uncharted 2 - If I didn't give UC2 this one, I'd probably get the "omg ur a troll/fanboy/fakeboy" thrown at me. I probably still will, but not quite as much. So let's go to what matters.

Story: Halo Reach - While neither is creative, let's get real here, people never watched Indiana Jones for the story it tells, and considering UC2 is in the same vein, some logic applies. Halo Reach had people getting banned for spoilers. Needless to say, the story was a way bigger focus in Reach and as such, it comes out the winner.

Gameplay: Halo Reach - Uncharted 2 is mostly a linear sequence of events that sometimes thinks its Tomb Raider and other times thinks its Gears of War. Fun to watch, but can't stand toe to toe with the extremely refined gameplay of Halo Reach. UC2's polish is in looks and coding (i.e. few to no glitches), Reach's polish is in the gameplay, the refinement of how you play the game and what happens in it.

Music: Halo Reach - This honestly doesn't even need an explanation.

Content: Halo: Reach - UC2 has single player and a multiplayer with a few modes as well as a co-op mode that's kind of just... there. Reach has the singla player campaign, co-op that was never an afterthought, Firefight, Forge, dozens of multiplayer modes, Theater, etc. The overwhelming amount of content to Halo Reach has no equal in UC2. This isn't even up for debate.

So, its time to place the crown. Who gets it?

Overall Winner: Halo: Reach

By a landslide too. There's little that Uncharted 2 can stand toe to toe with Reach in, beyond the graphics. Add into that the fact UC2 is largely forgotten by now while Reach will still be played actively for years to come.

Don't worry though, there's still MGS4. Which isn't as good as SMG2. Can't catch a break eh guys :)

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#2 Verge_6
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When Skittles gets bored, we all suffer. :(

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#3 ProjectNatalFan
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yeah I agree Uncharted 2 is inferior to Halo Reach....

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#4 oldkingallant
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I disagree. I don't think they're that easy to compare, Uncharted 2's campaign is significantly more fun and varied than Reach's, but Reach has much better multiplayer and many more features.

They supplement each other quite well actually, one with a great single player shooting experience, one with great online multiplayer.

I like both a lot, I'd probably give the edge to Uncharted 2 though.

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#5 ZoomZoom2490
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mp is the only thing that Reach has better than UC2.

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#6 oldkingallant
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yeah I agree Uncharted 2 is inferior to Halo Reach....

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:lol: ProjectNatalFan likes a 360 game better than a PS3 game he's probably never played? Nooooo :roll:. By the way just thought I'd say. Metacritic: 96 vs. 92. UC2's higher by a bit, but both are ridiculously highly rated AAA games. I say just play both and love both.
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#7 Skittles_McGee
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mp is the only thing that Reach has better than UC2.

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Know what I can do in Reach's campaign that I can't in UC2's campaign? Take more than one path to the end.
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#8 oldkingallant
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But the important part is neither can touch Super Mario Galaxy 2, Demon's Souls, or Mass Effect 2... although this does make me wanna play more Reach and replay UC2.

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#9 JohnF111
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I thought Uncharted 2 story was great... Halo music aint that great though... everyone says oh its sooo good uncharted 2 music cannot beat it... But youtube told me otherwise, and i sort of agree, Halo is more light music where Uncharted has the atmospheric bass to it which just rocks. Halo was good gameplay but things seemd to be made of plastic like the vehicle tyres and some of the weapons... even the suites look plasticy.
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#11 Giancar
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here in GS they share the same scores do to MC and there is a BIG difference (tons of sites favors U2) and let's see what happens in VGA (hint: Reach have to get tons of awards)
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#12 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

mp is the only thing that Reach has better than UC2.

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Know what I can do in Reach's campaign that I can't in UC2's campaign? Take more than one path to the end.

I didn't know linearity was automatically a bad thing. It's weird that these days any game that's non-linear is automatically better, there's really nothing wrong with linearity it just allows for a more structured game, which is why UC2 is that way, give a more movie-like experience. Reach is still fairly linear and does have an implied main path. My bias towards UC2 might be due to the fact that adventure and treasure hunting stuff edges out sci-fi for my favorite genre of movie, so that carries over to video games.
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#13 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Nice opinion bro! =D Glad you are enjoying Halo: Reach that much!

But maybe you should blog it, because you will get fans here posting:

1- Opinion =/= Fact ;

2- The exact opposite of what you posted and claiming UC2 wins.

System Wars isn't the place to post about which is better between two exclusive games, but a blog is. Hmm. Makes sense.
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I thought Uncharted 2 story was great... Halo music aint that great though... everyone says oh its sooo good uncharted 2 music cannot beat it... But youtube told me otherwise, and i sort of agree, Halo is more light music where Uncharted has the atmospheric bass to it which just rocks. Halo was good gameplay but things seemd to be made of plastic like the vehicle tyres and some of the weapons... even the suites look plasticy.JohnF111
Nah, Halo: Reach's music is second this gen only to Super Mario Galaxy 2 if you ask me.

Nice opinion bro! =D Glad you are enjoying Halo: Reach that much!

But maybe you should blog it, because you will get fans here posting:

1- Opinion =/= Fact ;

2- The exact opposite of what you posted and claiming UC2 wins.

Desmonic
Hey pay Skittles some respect dammit, they just got bored and did a generic thread for once :P.
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Story can go to uncharted as well. It can be the general premise behind it or the quality of the acting. Its not like the story of mass effect itself is often praised but how good the acting is in it. Thats how I look at it anyway because while U2 story isnt amazing(good enough), I'd like to think the last thing that was praised in halo was the story. Reach didnt exceed very much in this department. The music is a toss up because I find that while both totally fit the game, I only like 1-2 tracks on both games.

Overall though I agree.

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[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

yeah I agree Uncharted 2 is inferior to Halo Reach....

oldkingallant

:lol: ProjectNatalFan likes a 360 game better than a PS3 game he's probably never played? Nooooo :roll:. By the way just thought I'd say. Metacritic: 96 vs. 92. UC2's higher by a bit, but both are ridiculously highly rated AAA games. I say just play both and love both.

sorry that your beloved UC2 is inferior, and yes I played it, nice multiplayer, lol!

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Campaign goes to Uncharted maybe , but it got repetitive at the end , graphics also everything else Reach , so i go with reach.
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I disagree.

Reach had an absolutely terrible story. Uncharted 2 had a decent story.

I also found Uncharted 2 to be more fun, Halo's gameplay has started to get stale but uncharted still feels a bit fresh.

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Skittles, you sir, are crazy. Though I do agree with your points, as I have to give Reach it's dues.

Both were excellent games.

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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Nice opinion bro! =D Glad you are enjoying Halo: Reach that much!

But maybe you should blog it, because you will get fans here posting:

1- Opinion =/= Fact ;

2- The exact opposite of what you posted and claiming UC2 wins.

System Wars isn't the place to post about which is better between two exclusive games, but a blog is. Hmm. Makes sense.

Yeah, and it's not like you're demanding Halo is better, it's an opinion thread where people can post their opinions. Not to mention hundreds of people will see it on System Wars while only a select few will see it on your blog, and your "friends" will agree with you a lot more often and it'll be pretty boring.
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]I thought Uncharted 2 story was great... Halo music aint that great though... everyone says oh its sooo good uncharted 2 music cannot beat it... But youtube told me otherwise, and i sort of agree, Halo is more light music where Uncharted has the atmospheric bass to it which just rocks. Halo was good gameplay but things seemd to be made of plastic like the vehicle tyres and some of the weapons... even the suites look plasticy.oldkingallant
Nah, Halo: Reach's music is second this gen only to Super Mario Galaxy 2 if you ask me. [QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Nice opinion bro! =D Glad you are enjoying Halo: Reach that much!

But maybe you should blog it, because you will get fans here posting:

1- Opinion =/= Fact ;

2- The exact opposite of what you posted and claiming UC2 wins.

Hey pay Skittles some respect dammit, they just got bored and did a generic thread for once :P.

I ain't bored. I'm bein' srs. This is my srs face.
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Oh cool, can I try.

Graphics- Uncharted obviously. They're just purely amazing.

Story- Uncharted again. The character development is great. The Halo story was pretty good, but the characters themselves had weak personalities, and the story had some really bad parts like random deaths.

Gameplay- The singleplayer defeats the singleplay of reach by a mile. Reach's single player campaign was pretty good, but not great. Expected as they focus on multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer felt fresh unlike Halo's which was more or less the same thing as every other shooter, but Halo's is still better.

Music- Uncharted. The music fit PERFECTLY with the story and gives a somewhat nostalgic feel. It was far more polished, and the theme was great to hum nad very light hearted. It just fit. Halo's soundtrack seemed to be trying for too much.

Content- Halo Reach has more content as you said.

Overall Winner: Uncharted

And this is pretty unbiased, but not completely obviously. More so then the lemming OP.

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Oh cool, can I try.

Graphics- Uncharted obviously. They're just purely amazing.

Story- Uncharted again. The character development is great. The Halo story was pretty good, but the characters themselves had weak personalities, and the story had some really bad parts like random deaths.

Gameplay- The singleplayer defeats the singleplay of reach by a mile. Reach's single player campaign was pretty good, but not great. Expected as they focus on multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer felt fresh unlike Halo's which was more or less the same thing as every other shooter, but Halo's is still better.

Music- Uncharted. The music fit PERFECTLY with the story and gives a somewhat nostalgic feel. It was far more polished, and the theme was great to hum nad very light hearted. It just fit. Halo's soundtrack seemed to be trying for too much.

Content- Halo Reach has more content as you said.

Overall Winner: Uncharted

And this is pretty unbiased, but not completely obviously. More so then the lemming OP.

hexashadow13

The Lemming that gave LittleBigPlanet and Demon's Souls a 9.5? :|.

Anyway I'm gonna try:

Graphics- Uncharted 2

Story- Uncharted 2

Gameplay- Split, better SP for UC2 better MP for Reach

Music- Halo: Reach

Content- Halo: Reach

Winner: Uncharted 2, only because I care more about single player than MP and story more than music, so the tie is broken and Reach is edged.

Do you see c wut I did thar? It's called an opinion, not everyone who has one is a fanboy.

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Oh cool, can I try.

Graphics- Uncharted obviously. They're just purely amazing.

Story- Uncharted again. The character development is great. The Halo story was pretty good, but the characters themselves had weak personalities, and the story had some really bad parts like random deaths.

Gameplay- The singleplayer defeats the singleplay of reach by a mile. Reach's single player campaign was pretty good, but not great. Expected as they focus on multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer felt fresh unlike Halo's which was more or less the same thing as every other shooter, but Halo's is still better.

Music- Uncharted. The music fit PERFECTLY with the story and gives a somewhat nostalgic feel. It was far more polished, and the theme was great to hum nad very light hearted. It just fit. Halo's soundtrack seemed to be trying for too much.

Content- Halo Reach has more content as you said.

Overall Winner: Uncharted

And this is pretty unbiased, but not completely obviously. More so then the lemming OP.

hexashadow13

yeah ok more so like the cow when you say the music is better on Uncharted 2...

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. More so then the lemming OP.hexashadow13
Its been ages since someone called me a lemming. Woot, score.
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I agree 100% - although UC2's multi is pretty damn good for it's 1st shot at it - it will only improve. UC2>Halo Reach as far as maps go though. Reach's maps are bland as hell.

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I thought Uncharted 2 story was great... Halo music aint that great though... everyone says oh its sooo good uncharted 2 music cannot beat it... But youtube told me otherwise, and i sort of agree, Halo is more light music where Uncharted has the atmospheric bass to it which just rocks. Halo was good gameplay but things seemd to be made of plastic like the vehicle tyres and some of the weapons... even the suites look plasticy.JohnF111
You must have only seen one video... Reach actually has a pretty diverse soundtrack at times. Different music to reflect the different moods of the game, that's what makes it great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e4YTyQ0wM0

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uncharted 2 had a cliched zomg teh bad guys steal stuff and drake must kill them lololololol story

the only thing uc2 has is graphics everything else goes to reach

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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] Nah, Halo: Reach's music is second this gen only to Super Mario Galaxy 2 if you ask me. [QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Nice opinion bro! =D Glad you are enjoying Halo: Reach that much!

But maybe you should blog it, because you will get fans here posting:

1- Opinion =/= Fact ;

2- The exact opposite of what you posted and claiming UC2 wins.

Hey pay Skittles some respect dammit, they just got bored and did a generic thread for once :P.

I ain't bored. I'm bein' srs. This is my srs face.

AHHHHH!!!! *loads shotgun*
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uncharted 2 had a cliched zomg teh bad guys steal stuff and drake must kill them lololololol story

the only thing uc2 has is graphics everything else goes to reach

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Now THIS is an obvious Lemming. Gave Heavy Rain a 1.0 and loves Halo to a suspect extent.
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I agree 100% - although UC2's multi is pretty damn good for it's 1st shot at it - it will only improve. UC2>Halo Reach as far as maps go though. Reach's maps are bland as hell.

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I disagree. There's something so charming about how all the Forge World maps look the same. Its like Bungie's own commentary on humanity. About how on the outside, we're all called different things, but on the inside, we're all the same. It's deep stuff, UC2 ain't on that level.
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uncharted 2 had a cliched zomg teh bad guys steal stuff and drake must kill them lololololol story

the only thing uc2 has is graphics everything else goes to reach

HailedJohnDman

And Reach's story was nothing but "aliens are attacking! quick shot them!"

and unfortunately im not exaggerating.

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I'd personally give UC2 a little more credit for the story and music. The Halo Reach spoiler-ban thing is less about the quality of the story, but more about the fact that there's much more hype going for the series story. Personally, I care more for an Indiana Jones story than the Halo ones (ODST notwithstanding). Also, the Uncharted soundtrack may not have the same outstanding tracks, but I personally think Edmonson's soundtrack has better breadth (is that the right word?). I also, personally, have been a sucker for Greg Edmonson's stuff since Firefly, so I might not be the best person to ask about the soundtrack.
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#36 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="jeffmonster"]

I agree 100% - although UC2's multi is pretty damn good for it's 1st shot at it - it will only improve. UC2>Halo Reach as far as maps go though. Reach's maps are bland as hell.

Skittles_McGee
I disagree. There's something so charming about how all the Forge World maps look the same. Its like Bungie's own commentary on humanity. About how on the outside, we're all called different things, but on the inside, we're all the same. It's deep stuff, UC2 ain't on that level.

:lol: Someone's gonna get trolled......
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Behold, Skittles the bored Tiger.
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

mp is the only thing that Reach has better than UC2.

Skittles_McGee
Know what I can do in Reach's campaign that I can't in UC2's campaign? Take more than one path to the end.

why do people always think linear = bad and not linear is always better than linear. EVERY game is linear to a degree. personally, I prefer linear games.
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#39 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

mp is the only thing that Reach has better than UC2.

Nonstop-Madness
Know what I can do in Reach's campaign that I can't in UC2's campaign? Take more than one path to the end.

why do people always think linear = bad and not linear is always better than linear. EVERY game is linear to a degree. personally, I prefer linear games.

As Yahtzee said it's basically the new bullet time. When bullet time was cool every FPS was doing it and people automatically thought a game was better because of it for some reason. These days people automatically think an open world is better than a structured linear game, but this is simply not true. Batman Arkham Asylum was completely linear but it's one of the best games I've played all gen. But Skittles hardly seems serious...
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#40 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Someone just had to reach into uncharted territory, didn't they?
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#41 sonicmj1
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Uncharted's story is much better presented than Halo's and its exceptionally linear campaign is filled with some pretty neat setpieces. But Halo's gameplay is more dynamic, the singleplayer has more freedom, and the amount of customization available in multiplayer blows Uncharted out of the water, and Uncharted doesn't even let you record singleplayer video.

I guess it comes down to what sort of thing you like more.

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WTF is this??!?!? In other words Reach rox,Uncharted sux. I mean Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly? are you serious..?
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[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]WTF is this??!?!? In other words Reach rox,Uncharted sux. I mean Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly? are you serious..?

Yea, got a problem with that?
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#44 timmy00
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Halo Reach is a great game. Probably the best Halo Game. Can't judge UC2 as I haven't played it yet.

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WTF is this??!?!? In other words Reach rox,Uncharted sux. I mean Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly? are you serious..?Ratchet_Fan8
Completely serious. Did you not see my serious face?
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#46 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]WTF is this??!?!? In other words Reach rox,Uncharted sux. I mean Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly? are you serious..?

Wanna read through the threaD? They might answer the whole "are you serious?" question.
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#47 hexashadow13
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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]

Oh cool, can I try.

Graphics- Uncharted obviously. They're just purely amazing.

Story- Uncharted again. The character development is great. The Halo story was pretty good, but the characters themselves had weak personalities, and the story had some really bad parts like random deaths.

Gameplay- The singleplayer defeats the singleplay of reach by a mile. Reach's single player campaign was pretty good, but not great. Expected as they focus on multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer felt fresh unlike Halo's which was more or less the same thing as every other shooter, but Halo's is still better.

Music- Uncharted. The music fit PERFECTLY with the story and gives a somewhat nostalgic feel. It was far more polished, and the theme was great to hum nad very light hearted. It just fit. Halo's soundtrack seemed to be trying for too much.

Content- Halo Reach has more content as you said.

Overall Winner: Uncharted

And this is pretty unbiased, but not completely obviously. More so then the lemming OP.

oldkingallant

The Lemming that gave LittleBigPlanet and Demon's Souls a 9.5? :|.

Anyway I'm gonna try:

Graphics- Uncharted 2

Story- Uncharted 2

Gameplay- Split, better SP for UC2 better MP for Reach

Music- Halo: Reach

Content- Halo: Reach

Winner: Uncharted 2, only because I care more about single player than MP and story more than music, so the tie is broken and Reach is edged.

Do you see c wut I did thar? It's called an opinion, not everyone who has one is a fanboy.

The games are obviously so good that even lemmings admit their greatness.
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#48 Ratchet_Fan8
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"] Yea, got a problem with that?

I dont know. :| [QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]WTF is this??!?!? In other words Reach rox,Uncharted sux. I mean Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly? are you serious..?

Wanna read through the threaD? They might answer the whole "are you serious?" question.

i hate oppinions :(
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#49 schims
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I'm a huge Halo fanboy and even I lol'd when you gave Story to Halo over Uncharted. Makes the whole thread look really biased...

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#50 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]

Oh cool, can I try.

Graphics- Uncharted obviously. They're just purely amazing.

Story- Uncharted again. The character development is great. The Halo story was pretty good, but the characters themselves had weak personalities, and the story had some really bad parts like random deaths.

Gameplay- The singleplayer defeats the singleplay of reach by a mile. Reach's single player campaign was pretty good, but not great. Expected as they focus on multiplayer. The Uncharted 2 multiplayer felt fresh unlike Halo's which was more or less the same thing as every other shooter, but Halo's is still better.

Music- Uncharted. The music fit PERFECTLY with the story and gives a somewhat nostalgic feel. It was far more polished, and the theme was great to hum nad very light hearted. It just fit. Halo's soundtrack seemed to be trying for too much.

Content- Halo Reach has more content as you said.

Overall Winner: Uncharted

And this is pretty unbiased, but not completely obviously. More so then the lemming OP.

hexashadow13

The Lemming that gave LittleBigPlanet and Demon's Souls a 9.5? :|.

Anyway I'm gonna try:

Graphics- Uncharted 2

Story- Uncharted 2

Gameplay- Split, better SP for UC2 better MP for Reach

Music- Halo: Reach

Content- Halo: Reach

Winner: Uncharted 2, only because I care more about single player than MP and story more than music, so the tie is broken and Reach is edged.

Do you see c wut I did thar? It's called an opinion, not everyone who has one is a fanboy.

The games are obviously so good that even lemmings admit their greatness.

Well Demon's Souls undoubtedly, LBP on the other hand is more questionable. LBP2 on the other OTHER hand will not be :P. Damn you delay :cry:. Oh well at least I'll have Kirby's Epic Yarn to scratch my platforming itch.