Halo Reach must be really different from previous Halo games due to a beta

For the people that like the Halo games and like its multiplayer, if Bungie was just going to give us more of the same with updated guns and equipment, they would have just learned from Halo 3. However the fact they felt the need to make a beta must means things are going to be different. Obvious it is still going to be a FPS, but it most likely will not be what we played from Halo 1-3.

One can only assume it could be a squad base FPS or a class base FPS,since it shows 5 silhouettes in the art work. Since Bungie is known for putting coop, can also assume it will most likely be 5 player coop. Since many people widely assume the game is based off the book it can then be speculated that these are 5 spartans. Also since they all seem to be holding different weapons the class base or squad base type of game could hold ground.

What do you guys think that are vets of the game, but also for those who prefer class base games where this halo game could be right up your alley?

Vets of the game are you going to be upset and stick to the main formula or will you give it a try?

World at War had a Beta and that had the exact same multiplayer as CoD4. Betas are for ironing out bugs and glitches not for testing out new multiplayer modes, that's what testers are for.bobbetybob

Good observations. I think it will be quite different also. I would certainly give it a try. It's made by Bungie after all.

But once Bungie stops making Halo games, and MS other team starts working on them, I will be worried.

cod waw had a beta and it is just cod 4 with new maps weapons and perks plus halo 3 had a beta and it was still good old halo fun just changes from 2 and its just to find out bugs and glitches to fix

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]World at War had a Beta and that had the exact same multiplayer as CoD4. Betas are for ironing out bugs and glitches not for testing out new multiplayer modes, that's what testers are for.too_much_eslim

5 Person co-op would be sweet.

And everyone else wouldn't have to be elites it seems.

Halo 3 had a beta, and it didn't even fix all of the problems of the multiplayer, although after a month it was perfect. Let's hope the experience with Halo 3 and the Beta makes Reach freakin' awesome.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="bobbetybob"]World at War had a Beta and that had the exact same multiplayer as CoD4. Betas are for ironing out bugs and glitches not for testing out new multiplayer modes, that's what testers are for.bobbetybob

cod waw had a beta and it is just cod 4 with new maps weapons and perks plus halo 3 had a beta and it was still good old halo fun just changes from 2 and its just to find out bugs and glitches to fix

kiddoom93

Halo 3 had a beta, it was like Halo 2 ... no big changes

It seems you guys don't understand the reason for a beta. The reason there are multiplayer betas are to test out the game, make sure everything is balanced, make sure there are no bugs, try to limit glitches (there will always be glitches), etc. Some developers take the closed beta approach (like Ensemble did with Halo Wars) and other developers opt for open beta (like Bungie with Halo 3) and then there are your developers who don't even bother testing out the game, like Epic. A demo is to get people to get interested in your game. You guys need to learn video game terminology since you argue about it 24/7, might aswell try to sound intelligent when doing so..RobisGodly

Good observations. I think it will be quite different also. I would certainly give it a try. It's made by Bungie after all.

But once Bungie stops making Halo games, and MS other team starts working on them, I will be worried.

cloudff7tm

Why? MS's all-star team includes Frank O'Conner (Bungie) and Ryan Payton (Kojima Productions).

[QUOTE="RobisGodly"]It seems you guys don't understand the reason for a beta. The reason there are multiplayer betas are to test out the game, make sure everything is balanced, make sure there are no bugs, try to limit glitches (there will always be glitches), etc. Some developers take the closed beta approach (like Ensemble did with Halo Wars) and other developers opt for open beta (like Bungie with Halo 3) and then there are your developers who don't even bother testing out the game, like Epic. A demo is to get people to get interested in your game. You guys need to learn video game terminology since you argue about it 24/7, might aswell try to sound intelligent when doing so..too_much_eslim

just because it's possible doesn't mean it's probable

or

just because there could be major changes to the MP doesn't mean it will

Halo 3 had a beta, it was like Halo 2 ... no big changes

treyskillz

[QUOTE="treyskillz"]

Halo 3 had a beta, it was like Halo 2 ... no big changes

too_much_eslim

those were not major changes to the gameplay, ... it was an improvement but nothing like what you imagined for Halo Reach

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="RobisGodly"]It seems you guys don't understand the reason for a beta. The reason there are multiplayer betas are to test out the game, make sure everything is balanced, make sure there are no bugs, try to limit glitches (there will always be glitches), etc. Some developers take the closed beta approach (like Ensemble did with Halo Wars) and other developers opt for open beta (like Bungie with Halo 3) and then there are your developers who don't even bother testing out the game, like Epic. A demo is to get people to get interested in your game. You guys need to learn video game terminology since you argue about it 24/7, might aswell try to sound intelligent when doing so..treyskillz

just because it's possible doesn't mean it's probable

or

just beacuse there could be major changes to the MP doesn't mean it will

[QUOTE="cloudff7tm"]

Good observations. I think it will be quite different also. I would certainly give it a try. It's made by Bungie after all.

But once Bungie stops making Halo games, and MS other team starts working on them, I will be worried.

BioShockOwnz

Why? MS's all-star team includes Frank O'Conner (Bungie) and Ryan Payton (Kojima Productions).

I didn't know that. I thought Gearbox Software was going to make them. Either way I'm still worried.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="treyskillz"]

Halo 3 had a beta, it was like Halo 2 ... no big changes

those were not major changes to the gameplay, ... it was an improvement but nothing like what you imagined for Halo Reach

i'm not a halo fan, but some things i've noticed a while back microsoft hired a bunch if top industry people to make an untitled halo game. these included ryan payton and corrine yu (tech specialist), David Wu, kenneth scott and frank o conner. bungie have also publicly stated that halo odst is just a side project so we have a microsoft game studios super team and the bulk of bungie staff working on something huge in the halo universe. my guess is some kind of brand new halo game with stunning graphics and pretty revolutionary gameplay for a console fps just a guess thoughhy4k

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] Halo Reach is by bungie. I don't expect the MS Halo team to unveil a Halo game until the next system.hy4k

[QUOTE="bobbetybob"]World at War had a Beta and that had the exact same multiplayer as CoD4. Betas are for ironing out bugs and glitches not for testing out new multiplayer modes, that's what testers are for.too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] It does, but bungie clearly said they have another team making Halo reach at the press conference. Also MS is the publisher so of course MS name will be there.hy4k

[QUOTE="treyskillz"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] Yes there was. First of they had to design the netcode much better. Also they had to see how equipment would work with the game. They also made smaller hit boxes so they had to see how that would work. They also wanted to make sure they could stop standbying, super bouncing, and button combinations. So there was a need for the beta since it play differently from Halo2. too_much_eslim

those were not major changes to the gameplay, ... it was an improvement but nothing like what you imagined for Halo Reach

A beta will cost money sure but a Halo beta will raise the sales of any game it is attached to.

Equipment was a nice change but its not turning Halo into another game. It still plays like Halo.

As for MLG, they play with very strict rules, MLG in Halo 2 was even "different" from bungie's standard Halo 2... so of course they would alter their Halo 3 settings.

Bungie, tested Halo 3 before and after the beta. The gameplay functions were not the main purpose of the beta, but using the sheer numbers of a public beta to test their networking code.

I'm not saying that Halo Reach won't be different but to say that the reason it MUST be different is a beta doesn't make since. Most of the gameplay elements will be set by the time of the betas release

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="treyskillz"]

those were not major changes to the gameplay, ... it was an improvement but nothing like what you imagined for Halo Reach

A beta will cost money sure but a Halo beta will raise the sales of any game it is attached to.

Equipment was a nice change but its not turning Halo into another game. It still plays like Halo.

As for MLG, they play with very strict rules, MLG in Halo 2 was even "different" from bungie's standard Halo 2... so of course they would alter their Halo 3 settings.

Bungie, tested Halo 3 before and after the beta. The gameplay functions were not the main purpose of the beta, but using the sheer numbers of a public beta to test their networking code.

I'm not saying that Halo Reach won't be different but to say that the reason it MUST be different is a beta doesn't make since. Most of the gameplay elements will be set by the time of the betas release

[QUOTE="treyskillz"]

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] What you talking about. Equipment added a lot to the game. Why you think MLG plays more like Halo2. Also there were so many problems with Halo 2 they had to test out Halo3 to prevent such a thing happening again. Like I said if they ar egoing to give us more of the same I don't see any need of a beta.too_much_eslim

A beta will cost money sure but a Halo beta will raise the sales of any game it is attached to.

Equipment was a nice change but its not turning Halo into another game. It still plays like Halo.

As for MLG, they play with very strict rules, MLG in Halo 2 was even "different" from bungie's standard Halo 2... so of course they would alter their Halo 3 settings.

Bungie, tested Halo 3 before and after the beta. The gameplay functions were not the main purpose of the beta, but using the sheer numbers of a public beta to test their networking code.

I'm not saying that Halo Reach won't be different but to say that the reason it MUST be different is a beta doesn't make since. Most of the gameplay elements will be set by the time of the betas release

Or they could be using the Halo Reach beta to entice people to buy Halo:ODST at $60. A beta is a normal stage in the development of any piece of software. The whole point of it is to find bugs and fixed them. Most of the main features have been added at this point so its highly unlikely it will be any different from the final product(aside from bugs). Just because they are releasing a beta does not mean that there are major gameplay changes.

For the people that like the Halo games and like its multiplayer, if Bungie was just going to give us more of the same with updated guns and equipment, they would have just learned from Halo 3. However the fact they felt the need to make a beta must means things are going to be different. Obvious it is still going to be a FPS, but it most likely will not be what we played from Halo 1-3.

One can only assume it could be a squad base FPS or a class base FPS,since it shows 5 silhouettes in the art work. Since Bungie is known for putting coop, can also assume it will most likely be 5 player coop. Since many people widely assume the game is based off the book it can then be speculated that these are 5 spartans. Also since they all seem to be holding different weapons the class base or squad base type of game could hold ground.

What do you guys think that are vets of the game, but also for those who prefer class base games where this halo game could be right up your alley?

Vets of the game are you going to be upset and stick to the main formula or will you give it a try?

i was wondering what the fudge the whole bungie team was doing, since halo 3 odst is just an expansion to halo 3. its already been a small 2 years for halo 3, and there has been 3 years between every halo game, i wouldnt be suprised if it came out next year september(wich it probably will). this does mean, that halo reach should be counted as the 4th halo game, with probably a new graphics engine and gameplay engine. should be mighty fine to see what bungie has been doing past 2 years. I was hoping tough, that halo reach should've been announced as the last showpiece of the MS conference, would've been 10 times the epicness

[QUOTE="RobisGodly"]It seems you guys don't understand the reason for a beta. The reason there are multiplayer betas are to test out the game, make sure everything is balanced, make sure there are no bugs, try to limit glitches (there will always be glitches), etc. Some developers take the closed beta approach (like Ensemble did with Halo Wars) and other developers opt for open beta (like Bungie with Halo 3) and then there are your developers who don't even bother testing out the game, like Epic. A demo is to get people to get interested in your game. You guys need to learn video game terminology since you argue about it 24/7, might aswell try to sound intelligent when doing so..too_much_eslim

i think they confirmed the game will be first person but thats about it. no point in speculating til ODST comes out i guess. and im not sure if the beta will be up by then. hoping for 5 player coop with customisable Spartans and a 3rd person view.

Im thinking because your basically a super soldier squad that would effect the gameplay. SAGE_OF_FIRE