Halo Reach: Why is the Player Count Dwindling?

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#151 Samvigote
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Not a good sign if the only game to play on 360 number's start dwindling...

Ravensmash

Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

Come on don't fall for that there are plenty of games to play online on both consoles.

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Lack of quality maps, armor lock abuse, other games?

Number change overtime, they grow and fall, the real test will be in a year or 2, will the game still have good numbers?

COD is around the corner, does it have the staying power of Halo? I don't think so, Activision are slowing killing it with each release.

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Not a good sign if the only game to play on 360 number's start dwindling...

Samvigote

Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

Come on don't fall for that there are plenty of games to play online on both consoles.

Yea right on PS3 you have to play a multiplatform, like CoD to find players. Because if Reach numbers are bad, then PS3 exclusives must be horrible.. right?
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#154 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Not a good sign if the only game to play on 360 number's start dwindling...

Ravensmash
Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

I actually couldn't.
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#155 Kan0nF0dder
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Not a good sign if the only game to play on 360 number's start dwindling...

Ravensmash
Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

So could I (PC). But's it's not that great so I won't bother. I don't need examples when the 360s only example is dwindling now the hype is wearing off and people are moving on to better games.
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#156 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Not a good sign if the only game to play on 360 number's start dwindling...

FIipMode
Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

I actually couldn't.

In Gears? Or the PS3 title? There were quite a few matches when I last played a few months ago, may have changed.
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#157 AlphaJC
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Because player counts naturally decrease over time? This isn't surprising, nor threadworthy. Happens with practically every console game.

Slashkice

ummmm the game came out a littel voer a month ago thats not that much time, and for me the credits and lack of a true competetive experience is making this game old. People have gone from playing for a rank to playing for an armor peice and htey dont have that much motivation anymore. Bungie made a mistake, with reach. The online numbers used to be 400,000 on at a time when all th hype went down, and now that number is in half, and is going to get smaller as Black ops approaches. More people still play MW2 over Halo reach. Halo reach had a good launch but it jsut didnt change enough for people to keep playing it.

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#158 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Not a good sign if the only game to play on 360 number's start dwindling...

Kan0nF0dder
Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

So could I (PC). But's it's not that great so I won't bother. I don't need examples when the 360s only example is dwindling now the hype is wearing off and people are moving on to better games.

So you don't need examples, or you don't have any examples? ;)
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#159 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....

I actually couldn't.

In Gears? Or the PS3 title? There were quite a few matches when I last played a few months ago, may have changed.

No in Gears 1, it is a 4 year old title so I wasn't surprised, everyone probably moved on to Gears 2.
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#160 LegatoSkyheart
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Dude, Fallout New Vegas and Fable 3 like JUST came out.....

I wonder why people are not playing Halo Reach right now.

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#161 Samvigote
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Funny how hundreds of thousands in Reach is "dwindling", what do you call games like KZ, Uncharted 2, MAG, etc?themyth01

Actually that means the community is not as big as it use to be,not that is small insignificant or something like that,no one can't say that Halo Reach doesn't have healthy community or that it has low numbers or no one play that is a joke,what the thread started claimed is that the actual numbers are getting lower by the week,which is right is lower each week.

Considering this is a Halo game it should keep its numbers steady for some time and then start to decrease,but those numbers are getting lower way faster than they should,i haven't see a major nelson live activity report for the month of october,but i would not be surprise to know that they are not posting it because MW2 on 360 already beat Halo Reach again on the top spot.

I also found incredible that MW games had get so big that the PS3 version is actually getting more players than Halo Reach is.

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#162 AlphaJC
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

This is the story for practically every online game besides WoW.

iWin1337

But Halo has always been known for keeping really high player counts for long periods of time, I've heard it countless times. Somehting has changed for Halo, this is not normal.

yeah Halo 3 was a consistent 300,000+ player count at a time during peak hours up until MW2 came out. Halo reach is Just Barely getting above 200,000 and its going to go down again when black ops comes out. The fact the numbers went from 800,000 to 400,000 to 200,000 is jsut sad and its only a month after teh game came out. Halo 3 player count was much much higher.

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#163 Samvigote
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Lack of quality maps, armor lock abuse, other games?

Number change overtime, they grow and fall, the real test will be in a year or 2, will the game still have good numbers?

COD is around the corner, does it have the staying power of Halo? I don't think so, Activision are slowing killing it with each release.

-Snooze-

I don't know if COD has it,but MW2 on PS3 is a year old and is getting more players than Halo Reach which is a 2 month old game.

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#164 tehsystemwarior
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Well, none of my friends liked it so.... It's Armor Locks fault. It really is. And the worst maps on the history of video games.
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#165 Cloud567kar
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[QUOTE="iWin1337"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

This is the story for practically every online game besides WoW.

AlphaJC

But Halo has always been known for keeping really high player counts for long periods of time, I've heard it countless times. Somehting has changed for Halo, this is not normal.

yeah Halo 3 was a consistent 300,000+ player count at a time during peak hours up until MW2 came out. Halo reach is Just Barely getting above 200,000 and its going to go down again when black ops comes out. The fact the numbers went from 800,000 to 400,000 to 200,000 is jsut sad and its only a month after teh game came out. Halo 3 player count was much much higher.

Wait till the new maps and rank cap come out.

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#166 Kan0nF0dder
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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Please enlighten us and give us some examples of popular PS3 titles? I could probably still find a game in Gears 1 now....Ravensmash
So could I (PC). But's it's not that great so I won't bother. I don't need examples when the 360s only example is dwindling now the hype is wearing off and people are moving on to better games.

So you don't need examples, or you don't have any examples? ;)

I don't need any examples. The 360 has one, Halo 3 - then Halo Reach, thanks ONLY to M$ marketting. It isn't that good...every gamer knows TF2 on PC is where it's at for unrealistic, team based, FPS.

CoD proves my point cause it's not that good either but, YUP it's got that marketting muscle so it has massive online numbers.

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#167 Booo-Urns
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Because there's no reason to keep playing it, all you do is unlock armour. I prefer to be always unlocking guns and not what when I play online games. I'm trading it in for Fable.
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#168 LegatoSkyheart
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Wow why are people getting so flustered over Armor Lock?

DON'T GET NEAR A PERSON THAT HAS ARMOR LOCK!

just wait until they get out of Armor lock. Throwing gernades at them is stupid and getting too close would just hurt you more when the get out of Armor Lock. Just stay at a good distance and aim for the head and start shooting when they get out.

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#169 Cloud567kar
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Because there's no reason to keep playing it, all you do is unlock armour. I prefer to be always unlocking guns and not what when I play online games. I'm trading it in for Fable.Booo-Urns

Lol? So for you to play games you have to be constantly unlocking things? You don't play games just for the FUN of it? Pretty sad actaully.

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#170 PatchMaster
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The level cap and lack of good maps is turning people off. It'll probably get worse when Black Ops comes out but then go up again when the map pack is released.

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#171 Grawse
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Well, none of my friends liked it so.... It's Armor Locks fault. It really is. And the worst maps on the history of video games.tehsystemwarior
This. I'll probably play Reach again if/when they come out with a Slayer Pro playlist. The new maps don't really look appealing to me too.

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#172 Samvigote
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Well, none of my friends liked it so.... It's Armor Locks fault. It really is. And the worst maps on the history of video games.tehsystemwarior

I don't have a problem with armor locks,i have a problem more with the fact that you can't sprint and use the jet pack is either one or the other,and not aiming down the side with the several weapons,and the fact that to kill some one you have to hit it with tons of shots.

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[QUOTE="themyth01"] Funny how hundreds of thousands in Reach is "dwindling", what do you call games like KZ, Uncharted 2, MAG, etc?Samvigote

Actually that means the community is not as big as it use to be,not that is small insignificant or something like that,no one can't say that Halo Reach doesn't have healthy community or that it has low numbers or no one play that is a joke,what the thread started claimed is that the actual numbers are getting lower by the week,which is right is lower each week.

Considering this is a Halo game it should keep its numbers steady for some time and then start to decrease,but those numbers are getting lower way faster than they should,i haven't see a major nelson live activity report for the month of october,but i would not be surprise to know that they are not posting it because MW2 on 360 already beat Halo Reach again on the top spot.

I also found incredible that MW games had get so big that the PS3 version is actually getting more players than Halo Reach is.

Friday and saturday night it will be back at 500,000+, as it always is. :) Modern Warfare 2 numbers on the 360 have gone way down because of Halo Reach. The user base is split between the two 'big' online games.
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#174 Arbiterisl33t69
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Maybe people are, in general, growing bored with the franchise? Or, maybe, the core Halo fanbase doesn't appreciate the changes made for Reach, and subsequently went back to Halo 3?

Pug-Nasty
The latter. Visit the ultra-mature Bungie.net forums and there's your evidence.
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#175 Ninja-Hippo
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The level cap and lack of good maps is turning people off. It'll probably get worse when Black Ops comes out but then go up again when the map pack is released.

PatchMaster
Less than 1% of the total user base has hit the level cap.
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#176 Arbiterisl33t69
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Because there's no reason to keep playing it, all you do is unlock armour. I prefer to be always unlocking guns and not what when I play online games. I'm trading it in for Fable.Booo-Urns
Enjoy your floppage.
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#177 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="Booo-Urns"]Because there's no reason to keep playing it, all you do is unlock armour. I prefer to be always unlocking guns and not what when I play online games. I'm trading it in for Fable.Arbiterisl33t69
Enjoy your floppage.

if all flops were like that i'd be a very happy gamer

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#178 XboximusPrime
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this is a natural thing. you cant realisticaly expect to keep every player forever.

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#179 right4dead
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[QUOTE="iWin1337"][QUOTE="HailedJohnDman"]

3,000 compared to 741,000?

AznKSor

I own one enough to know your spreading lies, KZ2 has around 50k online and Reach is at 200k more or less atm. Why the lie?

I made a random guess on Killzone 2.

im pretty sure fifa 11 and madden 11 and nhl 11 and nba 2k11 are being played more than uncharted 2

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#180 berzerk0912
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Any theories? It seems each time I go online there is less and less people playing, shouldn't the player cap be going up? I mean MW2 on the PS3 has like 3 times as many people online at the moment. Is Halo getting stale? What are your opinions. iWin1337
People are finding out that they have to actually aim in Halo Reach, and MW2 noob tactics don't work in this game.

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#181 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Lack of quality maps, armor lock abuse, other games?

Number change overtime, they grow and fall, the real test will be in a year or 2, will the game still have good numbers?

COD is around the corner, does it have the staying power of Halo? I don't think so, Activision are slowing killing it with each release.

Samvigote

I don't know if COD has it,but MW2 on PS3 is a year old and is getting more players than Halo Reach which is a 2 month old game.

MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

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#182 finalstar2007
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[QUOTE="Samvigote"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Lack of quality maps, armor lock abuse, other games?

Number change overtime, they grow and fall, the real test will be in a year or 2, will the game still have good numbers?

COD is around the corner, does it have the staying power of Halo? I don't think so, Activision are slowing killing it with each release.

-Snooze-

I don't know if COD has it,but MW2 on PS3 is a year old and is getting more players than Halo Reach which is a 2 month old game.

MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

That is not true, MW2 is popular and has the largest players online on both consoles

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#183 Shoaka
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Ok honestly, I'm not surprised MW2 on Ps3 is played more than Halo Reach. MW2 is the only major FPS game on PsN right now. Whereas Xbox live has both MW2 and Halo Reach.

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#184 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Samvigote"]

I don't know if COD has it,but MW2 on PS3 is a year old and is getting more players than Halo Reach which is a 2 month old game.

finalstar2007

MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

That is not true, MW2 is popular and has the largest players online on both consoles

yeah, but from what I understand 360 gamers are spread across various games (mostly MW2, Halo 3 and Halo: Reach)

on the other hand, from what I understand MW2 is the only PS3 shooter to get a really big number of users

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#185 XboximusPrime
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Ok honestly, I'm not surprised MW2 on Ps3 is played more than Halo Reach. MW2 is the only major FPS game on PsN right now. Whereas Xbox live has both MW2 and Halo Reach.

Shoaka

PS3 has MW 2, MW 1 and Killzone 2. In addition to UC 2. While UC and KZ arent Halo popular online, its still popular on PSN.

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#186 iWin1337
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[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

ohthemanatee

That is not true, MW2 is popular and has the largest players online on both consoles

yeah, but from what I understand 360 gamers are spread across various games (mostly MW2, Halo 3 and Halo: Reach)

on the other hand, from what I understand MW2 is the only PS3 shooter to get a really big number of users

Actually on the PS3 players are spread out between TONS more games, not just shooters, even games like Socom Confrontation, Warhawk, MAG, MGO etc have very healthy fanbases. The PS3 userbase likes lots of genres like sports titles, racing, fighting etc. It's more on the 360 where they all flock to the next big shooter.
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#187 Cloud567kar
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

That is not true, MW2 is popular and has the largest players online on both consoles

iWin1337

yeah, but from what I understand 360 gamers are spread across various games (mostly MW2, Halo 3 and Halo: Reach)

on the other hand, from what I understand MW2 is the only PS3 shooter to get a really big number of users

Actually on the PS3 players are spread out between TONS more games, not just shooters, even games like Socom Confrontation, Warhawk, MAG, MGO etc have very healthy fanbases. The PS3 userbase likes lots of genres like sports titles, racing, fighting etc. It's more on the 360 where they all flock to the next big shooter.

No proof.

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#188 lawlessx
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That happens to every game afew weeks after it's release. Really nothing to make a thread about.
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#189 -Snooze-
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="Samvigote"]

I don't know if COD has it,but MW2 on PS3 is a year old and is getting more players than Halo Reach which is a 2 month old game.

finalstar2007

MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

That is not true, MW2 is popular and has the largest players online on both consoles

Reach wins on the Xbox. MW2 only gets huge numbers on PS3 cause none of the other "popular" shooters have spectacular numbers

Huge PS3 exclusives KZ2,UC2, Resistance etc, all get pretty average numbers, so COD is obviously cleaning up.

Halo 3, Reach, and MW2 all compete for the top numbers.

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#190 PatchMaster
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

The level cap and lack of good maps is turning people off. It'll probably get worse when Black Ops comes out but then go up again when the map pack is released.

Less than 1% of the total user base has hit the level cap.

Well yeah, considering that millions of people have tried the game for an hour or two. I haven't played the game in two weeks but even back then I had two or three lieutenant colonels in every game I played.
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#191 Samvigote
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MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

-Snooze-

I even make a video so that there would not be any problems,in another thread just now io posted some more screens,it showed Halo Reach with 214K and MW2 PS3 with 352K.

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#192 Immortal--
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Better than the 6 people playing Killzone 2.

Edit: One just left. It's 5 now.

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Ahahah! :lol: Anyway, the player count is decreasing but its still strong.
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#193 themyth01
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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

MW2 has also sold more. Is the only popular game on the PS3 (Online MP)

I don't own the game so wouldn't know, but the only numbers posted where pretty damn suspect, if someone that wasn't a complete fanboy would post MW2 PS3 numbers i'd be easier to compare.

I wouldnt be suprised if MW2 PS3 beats Reach, them PS3 owners sure love there shooters.

Samvigote

I even make a video so that there would not be any problems,in another thread just now io posted some more screens,it showed Halo Reach with 214K and MW2 PS3 with 352K.

No - Let's compare a game with over 8 million owners to one with 4-5 million. :roll: Let's compare Reach numbers to KZ2...
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#194 Kickinurass
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Hopefully this means that when I return to Reach after classes are done, all the scrubs are gone.

Seriously, most people online are like terri-bad.

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#195 Karnage108
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Reach also has Halo 3 (ranked 3rd on XBL activity), ODST, Gears 2, L4D2, and Forza 3 to contend with. Fable 3 also just came out. What is there on ps3 aside from Killzone 2 and UC2?

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#196 TintedEyes
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Reach also has Halo 3 (ranked 3rd on XBL activity), ODST, Gears 2, L4D2, and Forza 3 to contend with. Fable 3 also just came out. What is there on ps3 aside from Killzone 2 and UC2?

Karnage108
how about resistance 2, socom, warhawk and mag for starters?
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#198 AlphaJC
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[QUOTE="Samvigote"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] Funny how hundreds of thousands in Reach is "dwindling", what do you call games like KZ, Uncharted 2, MAG, etc?Ninja-Hippo

Actually that means the community is not as big as it use to be,not that is small insignificant or something like that,no one can't say that Halo Reach doesn't have healthy community or that it has low numbers or no one play that is a joke,what the thread started claimed is that the actual numbers are getting lower by the week,which is right is lower each week.

Considering this is a Halo game it should keep its numbers steady for some time and then start to decrease,but those numbers are getting lower way faster than they should,i haven't see a major nelson live activity report for the month of october,but i would not be surprise to know that they are not posting it because MW2 on 360 already beat Halo Reach again on the top spot.

I also found incredible that MW games had get so big that the PS3 version is actually getting more players than Halo Reach is.

Friday and saturday night it will be back at 500,000+, as it always is. :) Modern Warfare 2 numbers on the 360 have gone way down because of Halo Reach. The user base is split between the two 'big' online games.

wrong Friday and saturday nights are barely above 200k.

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#199 tehsystemwarior
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[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]

I don't have a problem with armor locks,i have a problem more with the fact that you can't sprint and use the jet pack is either one or the other,and not aiming down the side with the several weapons,and the fact that to kill some one you have to hit it with tons of shots.

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Then play CoD. Seriously.

[QUOTE="tehsystemwarior"]Well, none of my friends liked it so.... It's Armor Locks fault. It really is. And the worst maps on the history of video games.Grawse

This. I'll probably play Reach again if/when they come out with a Slayer Pro playlist. The new maps don't really look appealing to me too.

I find it ironic that everyone whined about MW2s map pack, and Reach's comes out, for the same price per map, and reach had awfull maps to begin with! If this Map pack was free and good I'd pick the game up again, but no way in hell am i paying for those maps. A MLG variant playlist may interest me, but by then I'll have black ops, and thats what my friends will be playing so...
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#200 AlphaJC
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[QUOTE="Samvigote"]

[QUOTE="HailedJohnDman"]

3,000 compared to 741,000?

Ninja-Hippo

741,000 player where on Halo Reahc.?

238,795

http://www.bungie.net/stats/reach/online.aspx

Because by Bungie own site is not even close.

It's currently the middle of the day on a sunday. His picture is from saturday evening. At peak times, Reach easily scrapes a million active users. Surely that's /thread? :?

no it doesnt, Halo reach now has only a maximum if 200,000-230,000 playing at a time, when it used to be 400,000-500,000. The problem is declining numbers, people getting tired of the bland maps, 1/3 of the mpas Bungie shipped were effing FORGE MAPS FAIL!!! Seriously I cant beleive I effing pai 60 dollars for this trash. Its not balanced, the fact that a team can spawn with armor lock (the ability to not die/avoid dying, invisibility encourages camping, jetpacks allow for expliots out of the map which happen often in Big team games. Bungie isn't doing **** about either becasue of "OMG next gen game OMG!!" The reticule bloom is awful, it doesn't work ina game like Halo, if this were COD or counterstrike were you can die from 2 bullets then yes bloom is fine but when the assault rifle can barely drop sheilds WHY the **** is BLOOM in there!!! Quake never did it, UT neer did it, tribes never did it, the last 3 Halo titles didnt do it, so why now?? seriously they say "oo for balancing issues" but then they add the ability to be invisible whenever you want?? yeah real smart Bungie real smart.