Halo Update Blowout - True 4K, Backwards Compat

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#51 AsadMahdi59
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@suicidesn0wman:

Reach is already bc.

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#52 Zero_epyon
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@xhawk27 said:
@scatteh316 said:

We know very well what Microsofts definition of 'True 4k' is.

Higher than Sony's definition of 4k! Already has more true 4k than any other console.

That's not true.

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#53  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Zero_epyon said:
@primorandomguy said:

@Zero_epyon: At least try to hide your bias a little better. :)

lol what? Halo 5 runs with a dynamic scaler on Xbox One. Are they going to lock 4K or are they going to let the scaler go up and drop when it gets heavy? It's a legit question. Especially when they say "We’ll have more to share on this front as we get closer to release, so stay tuned." So there's going to be clarification.

Also they made some compromises for Xbox One like half frame animations. They should be able to upgrade that with X1X.

1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS. X1X has 6 TFLOPS.

When TFLOPS are not bound by memory bandwidth, Polaris GCN's 6 TFLOPS is like 6.9 TFLOPS GCN version 1.1.

Alternatively, AMD is effectively stating, GCN version 1.1's TFLOPS is actually about +15 percent less than the marketing TFLOPS numbers e.g.

R9-390X's 5.9 TFLOPS is effectively 5.01 TFLOPS.

XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS is effectively 1.11 TFLOPS.

PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS is effectively 1.56 TFLOPS.

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#54 Alucard_Prime
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@nintendoboy16 said:

No Halo 2? Isn't original XBOX BC coming soon (part of the reason I bought Crimson Skies early)?

Only game announced for XBOX OG BC is Crimson Skies, as far as I know. They may or may not make Halo 2 BC at some point, but even if they did, it would only be for the single player portion of the game as the Halo 2 XBL servers shut down a long time ago....you can still play Halo 2 online via MCC though.

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#55  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@primorandomguy said:

@Zero_epyon: At least try to hide your bias a little better. :)

lol what? Halo 5 runs with a dynamic scaler on Xbox One. Are they going to lock 4K or are they going to let the scaler go up and drop when it gets heavy? It's a legit question. Especially when they say "We’ll have more to share on this front as we get closer to release, so stay tuned." So there's going to be clarification.

Also they made some compromises for Xbox One like half frame animations. They should be able to upgrade that with X1X.

1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS. X1X has 6 TFLOPS.

When TFLOPS are not bound by memory bandwidth, Polaris GCN's 6 TFLOPS is like 6.9 TFLOPS GCN version 1.1.

Alternatively, AMD is effectively stating, GCN version 1.1's TFLOPS is actually about +15 percent less than the marketing TFLOPS numbers e.g.

R9-390X's 5.9 TFLOPS is effectively 5.01 TFLOPS.

XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS is effectively 1.11 TFLOPS.

PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS is effectively 1.564 TFLOPS.

Seriously though what does any of that have to do with anything.

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#56 ronvalencia
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@Zero_epyon said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@primorandomguy said:

@Zero_epyon: At least try to hide your bias a little better. :)

lol what? Halo 5 runs with a dynamic scaler on Xbox One. Are they going to lock 4K or are they going to let the scaler go up and drop when it gets heavy? It's a legit question. Especially when they say "We’ll have more to share on this front as we get closer to release, so stay tuned." So there's going to be clarification.

Also they made some compromises for Xbox One like half frame animations. They should be able to upgrade that with X1X.

1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS. X1X has 6 TFLOPS.

When TFLOPS are not bound by memory bandwidth, Polaris GCN's 6 TFLOPS is like 6.9 TFLOPS GCN version 1.1.

Alternatively, AMD is effectively stating, GCN version 1.1's TFLOPS is actually about +15 percent less than the marketing TFLOPS numbers e.g.

R9-390X's 5.9 TFLOPS is effectively 5.01 TFLOPS.

XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS is effectively 1.11 TFLOPS.

PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS is effectively 1.564 TFLOPS.

You are arguing X1X doesn't have performance head room to convert XBO's 1600x900 into 4K.

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#57  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:

lol what? Halo 5 runs with a dynamic scaler on Xbox One. Are they going to lock 4K or are they going to let the scaler go up and drop when it gets heavy? It's a legit question. Especially when they say "We’ll have more to share on this front as we get closer to release, so stay tuned." So there's going to be clarification.

Also they made some compromises for Xbox One like half frame animations. They should be able to upgrade that with X1X.

1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS. X1X has 6 TFLOPS.

When TFLOPS are not bound by memory bandwidth, Polaris GCN's 6 TFLOPS is like 6.9 TFLOPS GCN version 1.1.

Alternatively, AMD is effectively stating, GCN version 1.1's TFLOPS is actually about +15 percent less than the marketing TFLOPS numbers e.g.

R9-390X's 5.9 TFLOPS is effectively 5.01 TFLOPS.

XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS is effectively 1.11 TFLOPS.

PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS is effectively 1.564 TFLOPS.

You are arguing X1X doesn't have performance head room to convert XBO's 1600x900 into 4K.

I'm not arguing anything dude. I'm only wondering what they're going to use the extra power for besides uping the resolution. Relax...

And Halo doesn't even run at 900p. It runs 1080p and drop to ~1300X1080.

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#58 dxmcat
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Cool. Maybe they can bomb their most successful franchise again. (MCC)

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#59  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Zero_epyon said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@ronvalencia said:

1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS. X1X has 6 TFLOPS.

When TFLOPS are not bound by memory bandwidth, Polaris GCN's 6 TFLOPS is like 6.9 TFLOPS GCN version 1.1.

Alternatively, AMD is effectively stating, GCN version 1.1's TFLOPS is actually about +15 percent less than the marketing TFLOPS numbers e.g.

R9-390X's 5.9 TFLOPS is effectively 5.01 TFLOPS.

XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS is effectively 1.11 TFLOPS.

PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS is effectively 1.564 TFLOPS.

You are arguing X1X doesn't have performance head room to convert XBO's 1600x900 into 4K.

I'm not arguing anything dude. I'm only wondering what they're going to use the extra power for besides uping the resolution. Relax...

And Halo doesn't even run at 900p. It runs 1080p and drop to ~1300X1080.

1300 x 1080 = 1,404,000 pixels.

1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels.

MS effectively selected "6 TFLOPS" to get Halo 5 into 4K.

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#60  Edited By Alucard_Prime
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@Zero_epyon: I don't know but I suspect they might go with dynamic just because they made it a point before that Halo 5 was from inception, a 60 fps game. That was one of their core visions for the gameplay and it is something they cannot mess with now, especially with all the Esports stuff.

If they lock the 4K then that would allow for the possibility of frame drops with tons of action happening, and that is unacceptable for me. They should lock 60fps and make the res dynamic if necessary. Hopefully, just like Forza, they have overhead and even if they do lock at 60 fps the game will remain 4K native the majority of the time. I like how the game looks, but I wouldn't call it a graphically intensive game so I don't think there will be too many hurdles with the X1X patch.

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#61 Xabiss
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Every time I see Ron or Tormento post I am just going to post this:

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#62 ronvalencia
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@Xabiss said:

Every time I see Ron or Tormento post I am just going to post this:

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#63 Xabiss
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@ronvalencia said:
@Xabiss said:

Every time I see Ron or Tormento post I am just going to post this:

Far from dumb, but I do admit that is funny! :)

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#64  Edited By pdogg93
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@kvally: lol halo 5 is not 1080p.

"Image quality: While the dynamic resolution system is impressive, the reality is that the game spends the overwhelming majority of its time well under full 1080p. When combined with sparse anti-aliasing coverage this often results in scenes exhibiting aliasing and blurring artefacts simultaneously. This is further impacted by limited texture filtering, smearing surface textures at oblique angles. In fact, the selected texture filtering has a stronger impact on overall presentation than resolution."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-what-works-and-what-doesnt-in-halo-5-tech-analysis

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#65 lamprey263
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I hope they also update the MCC, and add Reach to it while they're at it.

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#66 kvally
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@pdogg93: I already posted that...proving it does run at 1080p, at times. It's not 720p like was being claimed.

Troll harder next time.

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#67 Fairmonkey
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Put it on PC please

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#68 mems_1224
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@suicidesn0wman: umm, reach was one of the first BC games....

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#69  Edited By xhawk27
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@Zero_epyon said:
@xhawk27 said:
@scatteh316 said:

We know very well what Microsofts definition of 'True 4k' is.

Higher than Sony's definition of 4k! Already has more true 4k than any other console.

That's not true.

It is true. lol

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#70 pdogg93
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@kvally: I see so a game running lower than 1080p for >50% of the time is a 1080p game huh? LOL

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#71 Celsius765
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I really don't believe any console will be doing true stable 4k any time soon, I dunno maybe 5 years from now. There's no way something below 3hz is doing and doing it well. I swear this is like the shady tv manufacturers hiding the tv refresh rate behind fancy words like motion flow rate(sony) or lg's trumotion. I's all a ploy to sell 4k tvs faster

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#72 Zero_epyon
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@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@ronvalencia said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@ronvalencia said:

1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS. X1X has 6 TFLOPS.

When TFLOPS are not bound by memory bandwidth, Polaris GCN's 6 TFLOPS is like 6.9 TFLOPS GCN version 1.1.

Alternatively, AMD is effectively stating, GCN version 1.1's TFLOPS is actually about +15 percent less than the marketing TFLOPS numbers e.g.

R9-390X's 5.9 TFLOPS is effectively 5.01 TFLOPS.

XBO's 1.31 TFLOPS is effectively 1.11 TFLOPS.

PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS is effectively 1.564 TFLOPS.

You are arguing X1X doesn't have performance head room to convert XBO's 1600x900 into 4K.

I'm not arguing anything dude. I'm only wondering what they're going to use the extra power for besides uping the resolution. Relax...

And Halo doesn't even run at 900p. It runs 1080p and drop to ~1300X1080.

1300 x 1080 = 1,404,000 pixels.

1600 x 900 = 1,440,000 pixels.

MS effectively selected "6 TFLOPS" to get Halo 5 into 4K.

Wow. I don't get why you're so defensive. Nobody is saying Halo 5 isn't capable of 4K.

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#73 Zero_epyon
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@xhawk27 said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@xhawk27 said:
@scatteh316 said:

We know very well what Microsofts definition of 'True 4k' is.

Higher than Sony's definition of 4k! Already has more true 4k than any other console.

That's not true.

It is true. lol

As of two months ago:

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps4-pro-4k-native-games-33388884/

29 Native 4k games on that list. maybe about 26-27. That's not including games that dynamically scale to 4K or games that render 4K geometry only.

How many confirmed native 4K games does X1X have?

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#74  Edited By Jebus213
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@Zero_epyon said:

How many confirmed native 4K games does X1X have?

The console hasn't even released yet...

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#75  Edited By Zero_epyon
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@Jebus213 said:
@Zero_epyon said:

How many confirmed native 4K games does X1X have?

The console hasn't even released yet...

Exactly. Which makes his comment that X1X "Already has more true 4k than any other console." untrue.

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#76  Edited By kvally
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@pdogg93: I see, so a game that never runs at 720p is a 720p game?

Thank God it's not 720p and 60fps like Nioh is on the PS Pro.

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#77 kvally
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Wait so now the Sony fans are saying the PS Pro is more powerful than the X1X?

Now that is a Gamespot exclusive lol.